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[QUOTE=loke13;4478951]Tbh Susan's privileged was kind of annoying it reminded me of times when a white "ally" tries to tell a PoC how they should perceive and react to bigotry. Coming from a good place but still out of your depth.
And tbh the superhero communities attitude toward the mutant plight leaves much to be desired I'm pretty sure at any point Reed could have done something similar to the Krakoan network to help mutants out and he's got a mutant son![/QUOTE]
I can’t say I blame the FF for questioning him a bit. Not his reasons why....he has valid reasons for feeling how he does...but his methods. I mean, he’s there demanding amnesty for Sabertooth. That is absolutely a questionable stance.
As for the history of other characters and their stance on mutants...the FF are pro-mutant. Could Reed have done something more in the past for mutants? Probably. But that’s not what the FF comic is about. And having such a story in an X-Men comic wouldn’t work.....”oh look here comes our savior Reed Richards” wouldn’t go over well, nor should it.
So I don’t think we can hold characters accountable for actions they didn’t take because of story constraints. Just have to let it slide and assume Reed’s done what he can for mutants, but it’s never been anything like this.
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Agreed, we can absolutely see this book as setting up the fact that the mutants are acting a bit "weird." Reed's reaction is founded IMO.
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[QUOTE=hawkeyefan;4479009]I can’t say I blame the FF for questioning him a bit. Not his reasons why....he has valid reasons for feeling how he does...but his methods. I mean, he’s there demanding amnesty for Sabertooth. That is absolutely a questionable stance.
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Sabertooth also tried to kill Franklin on at least one occasion, so questioning why they want to let the murderous lunatic is somehow even more valid.
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As for the history of other characters and their stance on mutants...the FF are pro-mutant. Could Reed have done something more in the past for mutants? Probably. But that’s not what the FF comic is about. And having such a story in an X-Men comic wouldn’t work.....”oh look here comes our savior Reed Richards” wouldn’t go over well, nor should it. [/QUOTE]
There was Acts of Vengeance where the Fantastic Four argued against registration for all superhuman communities. Too bad that was burned to the ground during Civil War.
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[QUOTE=hawkeyefan;4479009]I can’t say I blame the FF for questioning him a bit. Not his reasons why....he has valid reasons for feeling how he does...but his methods. I mean, he’s there demanding amnesty for Sabertooth. That is absolutely a questionable stance.
As for the history of other characters and their stance on mutants...the FF are pro-mutant. Could Reed have done something more in the past for mutants? Probably. But that’s not what the FF comic is about. And having such a story in an X-Men comic wouldn’t work.....”oh look here comes our savior Reed Richards” wouldn’t go over well, nor should it.
So I don’t think we can hold characters accountable for actions they didn’t take because of story constraints. Just have to let it slide and assume Reed’s done what he can for mutants, but it’s never been anything like this.[/QUOTE]I mean you kinda have to let it slide otherwise the entire superhero community would be a bag of dicks for how little they've don't to help out mutants.
Still it's always a fun thought exercise.
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[QUOTE=hawkeyefan;4479009]I can’t say I blame the FF for questioning him a bit. Not his reasons why....he has valid reasons for feeling how he does...but his methods. I mean, he’s there demanding amnesty for Sabertooth. That is absolutely a questionable stance.
As for the history of other characters and their stance on mutants...the FF are pro-mutant. Could Reed have done something more in the past for mutants? Probably. But that’s not what the FF comic is about. And having such a story in an X-Men comic wouldn’t work.....”oh look here comes our savior Reed Richards” wouldn’t go over well, nor should it.
So I don’t think we can hold characters accountable for actions they didn’t take because of story constraints. Just have to let it slide and assume Reed’s done what he can for mutants, but it’s never been anything like this.[/QUOTE]
That's what makes it so good. I don't think hickman is saying we are suppose to but it's just as natural for Scott to think as it is for them to question. Neither is wrong from their perspective but what happens going forward is what matters. What will humans do to not go extinct? Will the X-men understand it being in that position once (though that one bothers me because humans are still fundamentally human, if anything shouldn't they be going extant rather than extinct since mutants are basically evolved humans the same as certain prehistoric creatures who now have different versions of the species.) or will they have no sympathy. Also what happens if the X-men need to expand, that will mean the island has to get bigger, how will the world take that. apparently mutants are in a period of rebirth with many being born every day. There are already over a 100 there and since they opened borders to mutants more showing up everyday. Theres a lot going on here.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4479052]Also what happens if the X-men need to expand[/QUOTE]
I guess Prof X thought of that already since he seeded Mars and moon
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[QUOTE=four4elements;4479056]I guess Prof X thought of that already since he seeded Mars and moon[/QUOTE]
Your right. Those were habitat seed. I still think the main island will get bigger though, the spot they picked is too perfect.
I wonder how long Krakoa will take to make the moon and mars inhabitable. Like if there will be another time jump.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4479064]Your right. Those were habitat seed. I still think the main island will get bigger though, the spot they picked is too perfect.
I wonder how long Krakoa will take to make the moon and mars inhabitable. Like if there will be another time jump.[/QUOTE]
Worth noting, inhabitable, but not for humans/Inhumans/Atlanteans/any non-Mutants.
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Also I'm really happy that it looks like the elephant in the room is gonna be addressed, Franklin Richards. I've always like that the Reed and Sue have a mutant son and have always wanted there to be more interactions with X-Men based around that. Franklin is a character that Hickman has used multiple times in the past and one of Krakoa's goals seem to be the nurturing of omega level mutants then there's also that page that lists Franklin's alliance to [B]humans[/B], hmmmm maybe a conflict happens that pits Franklin against the X-Men?
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4479064]Your right. Those were habitat seed. I still think the main island will get bigger though, the spot they picked is too perfect.
I wonder how long Krakoa will take to make the moon and mars inhabitable. Like if there will be another time jump.[/QUOTE]
But they're already inhabitable in Marvel.
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[QUOTE=Woozie;4479104]But they're already inhabitable in Marvel.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they're terraforming Mars and the Moon just placing a habitat seed in the already livable parts of each. The Garden on Mars and the blue area of the Moon.
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[QUOTE=Jackraow21;4478293]I pre-ordered through ComiXology. When you pre-order, it’s generally available for download first thing in the morning. I woke up at 5:30am CST and had an email saying my comic was ready to download. :)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, in the US new issues go up for purchase on Comixology at 12:00am PST. If you've pre-ordered it, they're available in your app a little before then. I got the notification that my preorder was ready at 11:46pm PST last night. Which was great since I was staying awake until midnight just to read it. I know a lot of people are married to the idea of holding a physical book in their hand, and I get that, but I absolutely love reading everything digitally and early.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4479052]That's what makes it so good. I don't think hickman is saying we are suppose to but it's just as natural for Scott to think as it is for them to question. Neither is wrong from their perspective but what happens going forward is what matters. What will humans do to not go extinct? Will the X-men understand it being in that position once (though that one bothers me because humans are still fundamentally human, if anything shouldn't they be going extant rather than extinct since mutants are basically evolved humans the same as certain prehistoric creatures who now have different versions of the species.) or will they have no sympathy. Also what happens if the X-men need to expand, that will mean the island has to get bigger, how will the world take that. apparently mutants are in a period of rebirth with many being born every day. There are already over a 100 there and since they opened borders to mutants more showing up everyday. Theres a lot going on here.[/QUOTE]
Oh I’m all for these topics coming up in the book. I actually liked that scene a whole lot because I can see both sides. I get Cyclops’s views and why he’s all in on Xavier’s plan. But I also get why the FF would be like “okay man, but this guy here is like Charles Manson to the 10th power....so yeah, no amnesty for him, mkay?”
And to his credit, Cyclops doesn’t push the issue....but his comments make me suspect this will come up again. Which I’m looking forward to.
To me there’s a lot of gray in this issue....no easy choices anywhere, really. That’s why it’s so interesting.
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[QUOTE=hawkeyefan;4479124]Oh I’m all for these topics coming up in the book. I actually liked that scene a whole lot because I can see both sides. I get Cyclops’s views and why he’s all in on Xavier’s plan. But I also get why the FF would be like “okay man, but this guy here is like Charles Manson to the 10th power....so yeah, no amnesty for him, mkay?”
And to his credit, Cyclops doesn’t push the issue....but his comments make me suspect this will come up again. Which I’m looking forward to.
To me there’s a lot of gray in this issue....no easy choices anywhere, really. That’s why it’s so interesting.[/QUOTE]
Same. I'm also predicting right now after reading that Powers of X will tell the story of mutant history over the next 60 years into the future. It connects with Hickmans tweets for me about Power of a number. For instance Powers of X will be the first decade. two will be the second decade and so on culminating with issue 6 being where the mutants could end up in 60 years.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4479189]Same. I'm also predicting right now after reading that Powers of X will tell the story of mutant history over the next 60 years into the future. It connects with Hickmans tweets for me about Power of a number. For instance Powers of X will be the first decade. two will be the second decade and so on culminating with issue 6 being where the mutants could end up in 60 years.[/QUOTE]
That would be awesome. But didnt he say 'mutant history', and the heavily hinted at marketing: I predict the past decades will take place as well.