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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4508785]Ya know, if you pay attention to Infinity War, you see pretty clearly why a quipping Spider-Man isn't a good idea.
When the Guardians approach, his joke wastes enough time for the Guardians to attack, and when fighting Thanos, his joke 'Magic with a kick!' gives away his angle of attack to Thanos, allowing him to catch Spidey, and take out both Spidey and Dr. Strange.
Plus, in real life, smart ass comments are hard in the middle of a fight :P[/QUOTE]
All I remember is the "hey guys, do you remember (insert dated movie reference)?" because that's the only jokes they seem to know how to write with Spider-Man in these films.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4509204]All I remember is the "hey guys, do you remember (insert dated movie reference)?" because that's the only jokes they seem to know how to write with Spider-Man in these films.[/QUOTE]
He quips but it's not non stop like you would expect from Spidey. I mean the beginning of Homeomcing with the atm robbers was nothing but sarcasm till he screws up and blows a Boedga up. The pop culture references probaly stick out because he uses one in each avenger movie as a set up for some plans of his. Also his quips and sarcasm are more innocent sounding and less snarky then spidey would normally be.
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Things still bugging me after my rewatch:
1. Could Tony Stark have lived through using the Infinity Stones to defeat Thanos if he used them individually, instead of Snapping them all at once?
2. Why can't he heal the damage to his own body, using the Stones?
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[QUOTE=Criticalfan;4509564]Things still bugging me after my rewatch:
1. Could Tony Stark have lived through using the Infinity Stones to defeat Thanos if he used them individually, instead of Snapping them all at once?
2. Why can't he heal the damage to his own body, using the Stones?[/QUOTE]
Healing himself would require a level of awareness and physical strength he did not seem to have. He could barely focus enough to look at Pepper when she was directing him.
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[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;4509581]Healing himself would require a level of awareness and physical strength he did not seem to have. He could barely focus enough to look at Pepper when she was directing him.[/QUOTE]
If it hurts too much to speak, it probably hurts too much to think, too.
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[QUOTE=Criticalfan;4509564]Things still bugging me after my rewatch:
1. Could Tony Stark have lived through using the Infinity Stones to defeat Thanos if he used them individually, instead of Snapping them all at once?
2. Why can't he heal the damage to his own body, using the Stones?[/QUOTE]
The stones, in the movies, aren't the elegant plot devises that they are in the comics. Their powers are crude, and have to be focused through devises to allow them to be used to full effect. I think any healing would have been impossible with the damage done, especially given the fact that the damage was done by the stones themselves.
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[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;4509581]Healing himself would require a level of awareness and physical strength he did not seem to have. He could barely focus enough to look at Pepper when she was directing him.[/QUOTE]
And really, do we want a person who is barely conscious using the nigh-infinite power of the stones to reshape reality? What could possibly go wrong? :)
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Ya know, have they explained why Tony and Cap didn't just try to lift some Pym particles in 2012? I know they still needed the cube, but you'd think they could have availed themselves to Pym particles they knew to be around and then try again.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4511777]Ya know, have they explained why Tony and Cap didn't just try to lift some Pym particles in 2012? I know they still needed the cube, but you'd think they could have availed themselves to Pym particles they knew to be around and then try again.[/QUOTE]
In 2012 where were the Pym Particles? Maybe on the other side of the country in San Fransico(That's where Hank and Scott lived right?). Hank had a stash sure but his company didnt have acess to it. So they woulda had to fly to San fransico and break into his house. and then jump again back to another time to get the cube.
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4511798]In 2012 where were the Pym Particles? Maybe on the other side of the country in San Fransico(That's where Hank and Scott lived right?). Hank had a stash sure but his company didnt have acess to it. So they woulda had to fly to San fransico and break into his house. and then jump again back to another time to get the cube.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they had to go to a time [I] and place[/I] where they knew the particles would be, if for no other reason than to minimize the possibility they would interfere in history (remember, there are no "alternate timelines" in this film). They can't just stumble around hoping to find something.
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IMO, the MCU blew it with Spider-Man. They don't get that he quips because the mask is what licenses polite, meek Parker to give voice to his frustration with bullies and thugs. He's living out what all of us would really like to say to that ***-hole in a Hummer that cuts us off in traffic.
Problem was, the MCU had already set Iron Man up to own the clever quip thing. All that left Spider-Man was the movie references.
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;4511809]Yeah, they had to go to a time [I] and place[/I] where they knew the particles would be, if for no other reason than to minimize the possibility they would interfere in history (remember, there are no "alternate timelines" in this film). They can't just stumble around hoping to find something.[/QUOTE]
Dont agree with the Theres no alternate time lines. They changed a shit ton of stuff. We will have to wait for future movies to clarify. But people are putting way too much stock in 30seconds of dialogue from TAO. When fans seem to be split down the middle on what she means. Changing the past and then just pretending it doesnt matter because Magical stones is lazy. I think we will have to wait till Lokis show to find out for sure. Hes supposedly going through history wreaking havoc. But the Space stone doesn't time travel so people seem to think he finds a way to use it to visit alternate time lines. But who knows time will tell.
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4511841]Dont agree with the Theres no alternate time lines. They changed a shit ton of stuff. We will have to wait for future movies to clarify. But people are putting way too much stock in 30seconds of dialogue from TAO. When fans seem to be split down the middle on what she means. Changing the past and then just pretending it doesnt matter because Magical stones is lazy. I think we will have to wait till Lokis show to find out for sure. Hes supposedly going through history wreaking havoc. But the Space stone doesn't time travel so people seem to think he finds a way to use it to visit alternate time lines. But who knows time will tell.[/QUOTE]
"No alternate timelines" was the fundamental basis of the story. If future shows change that, it's a retcon.
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[QUOTE=DrNewGod;4511840]IMO, the MCU blew it with Spider-Man. They don't get that he quips because the mask is what licenses polite, meek Parker to give voice to his frustration with bullies and thugs. He's living out what all of us would really like to say to that ***-hole in a Hummer that cuts us off in traffic.
Problem was, the MCU had already set Iron Man up to own the clever quip thing. All that left Spider-Man was the movie references.[/QUOTE]
He quips more then he makes movie references. The movie references are just a part of important scenes and used to Express his plan. Its. Ot the movie references that are getting in the way. It's the awww shucks star struck personality young Peter has. But Homecoming he quips and jokes with the bank robbers untill they blow up a building and then he gets down on himself and tries to be more responsible. I feel like hes coming into his own and the more confident the chatacter gets in the MCU the more sarcastic he will get
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;4511847]"No alternate timelines" was the fundamental basis of the story. If future shows change that, it's a retcon.[/QUOTE]
Yea you say that but alot of people dont agree. Including the directors. So yea you can keep saying it but you dont know anything more then any of us. You just interpreted what the TAO was saying in a different way then alot of people. But yea this argument has been done 1000x on here so let's move on.
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4511856]Yea you say that but alot of people dont agree. Including the directors. So yea you can keep saying it but you dont know anything more then any of us. You just interpreted what the TAO was saying in a different way then alot of people. But yea this argument has been done 1000x on here so let's move on.[/QUOTE]
1) The directors didn't write the story
2) The directors shot an entirely new scene for the explicit purpose of emphasizing that there are no alternate timelines.
But I agree, let's move on.
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;4511847]"No alternate timelines" was the fundamental basis of the story. If future shows change that, it's a retcon.[/QUOTE]
No, no it wasn't. Inability to alter the past to affect the present was the fundamental basis of the heist. That's why Hulk dismisses killing baby Thanos out of hand (among other reasons), and that's how the universe didn't explode when Thanos and his forces died, or when a Loki escaped with the space gem.
There are clearly alternate timelines out there. The Avengers prevented some, but not all.
The Ancient One brings up the threat of alternate timelines, of her history unfolding differently because of the lack of the timestone. Note that she treats Bruce's time as a seperate creature from her own, because she's already from an alternate timeline from him.
[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4511798]In 2012 where were the Pym Particles? Maybe on the other side of the country in San Fransico(That's where Hank and Scott lived right?). Hank had a stash sure but his company didnt have acess to it. So they woulda had to fly to San fransico and break into his house. and then jump again back to another time to get the cube.[/QUOTE]
Scott knew where they were/would have been. Not saying it would have been too easy, but you'd think that it would have been safer than jumping decades into the past.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4511911]Scott knew where they were/would have been. Not saying it would have been too easy, but you'd think that it would have been safer than jumping decades into the past.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't enough to get particles, because they mainly needed the Tesseract, with which Loki had already scampered in the time and place they were standing. They needed a specific time and location where both additional particles, and the Tesseract were close by.
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In regards to Spidey joking, he does it some (and yeah, the movie references have been overblown by the fandom, since only uses his "remember that movie..." lines to set up plans he has and Fury commenting that he has reputation of being a [I]Star Wars[/I] fan -- it's not that huge an aspect of the character), but this version does write more to the rookie aspect of the character, so gets more humor from that then from wisecracking. That's fine. I mean, look at the original comics; while Spidey might comment on the ironic situations and problems he finds, he's not the comedian that he would become in later installments and adaptations.
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4513418]In regards to Spidey joking, he does it some (and yeah, the movie references have been overblown by the fandom, since only uses his "remember that movie..." lines to set up plans he has and Fury commenting that he has reputation of being a [I]Star Wars[/I] fan -- it's not that huge an aspect of the character), but this version does write more to the rookie aspect of the character, so gets more humor from that then from wisecracking. That's fine. I mean, look at the original comics; while Spidey might comment on the ironic situations and problems he finds, he's not the comedian that he would become in later installments and adaptations.[/QUOTE]
It feels more to me that they're just not really writing Holland's Peter as a quipster more then they're using it to emphasize his rookie status which is already covered in different ways. Even if Lee/Ditko Peter wasn't as much of a wisecracker as he is now, it is now generally regarded as a major element of the character.
Although at this point if he were to start quipping people would probably assume he's emulating Stark.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4513687]It feels more to me that they're just not really writing Holland's Peter as a quipster more then they're using it to emphasize his rookie status which is already covered in different ways.[/quote]
Okay.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4513687]Even if Lee/Ditko Peter wasn't as much of a wisecracker as he is now, it is now generally regarded as a major element of the character.[/quote]
Fair enough, but does that make it bad in and of itself if it doesn't get a lot of focus? The Raimi movies are considered some of the best takes on the character and they downplayed the wisecracking a bit. I mean, all the movies have focused on certain aspects of the characters and left others out or by the wayside.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4513687]Although at this point if he were to start quipping people would probably assume he's emulating Stark.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's the MCU; everyone has one-liners or does humor in one way or another.
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4515478]
Fair enough, but does that make it bad in and of itself if it doesn't get a lot of focus? The Raimi movies are considered some of the best takes on the character and they downplayed the wisecracking a bit. I mean, all the movies have focused on certain aspects of the characters and left others out or by the wayside.[/QUOTE]
I thought the problem with the Raimi movies was that Spidey quipped but Tobey just didn't have the delivery to pull it off.
[QUOTE]Well, it's the MCU; everyone has one-liners or does humor in one way or another.[/QUOTE]
Which makes it kind of more noticeable that Spidey really doesn't as much.
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With MCU Spidey they really play up the sweet-innocent-kid vibe, resulting in someone who is more Billy Batson than comicbook Spider-Man. With comicbook Spider-Man, you get the vibe that he's never completely left behind the guy who let a crook get away because he was pissed off. He compensates for that tendency, arguably even overcompensates, but that douchebag is still somewhere in there, and it comes out in the form of quips. There's nothing like that with MCU Spidey. He is innocence personified.
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One more question (and forgive me for not scouring 114 pages for it): Where did Old Steve get a bright, shiny shield to give the Falcon?
Last I remember, the one he had looked like the second-most popular pizza on the buffet when Thanos was done with it. That's before we even talk about Cap not taking it into the past with him.
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[QUOTE=MichaelC;4517815]With MCU Spidey they really play up the sweet-innocent-kid vibe, resulting in someone who is more Billy Batson than comicbook Spider-Man. With comicbook Spider-Man, you get the vibe that he's never completely left behind the guy who let a crook get away because he was pissed off. He compensates for that tendency, arguably even overcompensates, but that douchebag is still somewhere in there, and it comes out in the form of quips. There's nothing like that with MCU Spidey. He is innocence personified.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, not giving the MCU Spider-Man an origin story does sort of change the character. Uncle Bens death is the defining moment for the comic character, and it's pretty glossed over in the MCU. Not that I entirely blame them as I think we've had the Spider-Man orign done to death... but you pay the price with the character losing some of his edge. They get enough right that it doesn't bother me... but I can't help but wonder what the MCU version would be like if they didn't gloss over that particular chapter of the characters life.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4513687]It feels more to me that they're just not really writing Holland's Peter as a quipster more then they're using it to emphasize his rookie status which is already covered in different ways. Even if Lee/Ditko Peter wasn't as much of a wisecracker as he is now, it is now generally regarded as a major element of the character.
Although at this point if he were to start quipping people would probably assume he's emulating Stark.[/QUOTE]
I think the reasons the character quips has evolved over the years. Initially it was probably to convey how relatively young, inexperienced, and immature he was. Early Spider-Man was arguably sort of a jerk. As you might expect from a fairly young kid dealing with guilt issues and such. As he got older and more experienced, I think he started to intentionally talk a lot as a way to keep his off balance to a degree... get under their skin and maybe throw them off. It went from somewhat of a personality flaw to sort of a psychological weapon he just sort of naturally employed.
But in the MCU, like you said, it's mostly showing he's a rookie kid who is probably just dealing with his nerved the best way he knows how.
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How much game has 100+ year old Cap got?
He looks all aged and frail by the lake. Nonetheless, he sneaks into property with nobody realizing he's there.
Stark's place. The hyper-paranoid, infinitely resourced Stark. Who built a house for his wife and child. That he loves more than life.
Just gotta think getting a lakeside view there without permission is no small feat.
So was Steve sandbagging?
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[QUOTE=DrNewGod;4518199]How much game has 100+ year old Cap got?
He looks all aged and frail by the lake. Nonetheless, he sneaks into property with nobody realizing he's there.
Stark's place. The hyper-paranoid, infinitely resourced Stark. Who built a house for his wife and child. That he loves more than life.
Just gotta think getting a lakeside view there without permission is no small feat.
So was Steve sandbagging?[/QUOTE]
Steve escaped Shield HQ taking out a quinjet on the pay out. He also with the help of Bucky took out Tony greatest creation his suit. Steve has always been crafty. Without further explanation we cant even agree on how he might have got there. Walked in or Jumped back from another timeline.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4516309]I thought the problem with the Raimi movies was that Spidey quipped but Tobey just didn't have the delivery to pull it off.[/quote]
Well, he does a bit. Some of the jokes are just weak, others are okay. IMHO, while Spidey doesn't joke as much (and to be fair, in the comics, he does shut up when things get serious, which does happen a lot in the movies), the movies are still humorous, so it still works.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4516309]Which makes it kind of more noticeable that Spidey really doesn't as much.[/QUOTE]
His humor is more situational. It creates a similar tone to the source material in a different way.
[QUOTE=DrNewGod;4517889]One more question (and forgive me for not scouring 114 pages for it): Where did Old Steve get a bright, shiny shield to give the Falcon?
Last I remember, the one he had looked like the second-most popular pizza on the buffet when Thanos was done with it. That's before we even talk about Cap not taking it into the past with him.[/QUOTE]
Presumably from the splinter timeline he created when he lived his life with Peggy (or one of the other timelines he returned the Stones to).
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4518381]Well, he does a bit. Some of the jokes are just weak, others are okay. IMHO, while Spidey doesn't joke as much (and to be fair, in the comics, he does shut up when things get serious, which does happen a lot in the movies), the movies are still humorous, so it still works.
His humor is more situational. It creates a similar tone to the source material in a different way.
Presumably from the splinter timeline he created when he lived his life with Peggy (or one of the other timelines he returned the Stones to).[/QUOTE]
This...... it's all situational. Same thing with Thor. Thor isnt out there making non stop wise cracks and jokes. It's all situational. Garfield had the quipping down perfect but I'll take Holand in every other category
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Most of the MCU, Cap is my favorite.
[video=youtube;f63LMuhkzQc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f63LMuhkzQc[/video]
But the honor in this movie goes to the Credible Hulk.
[QUOTE=DrNewGod;4517889]One more question (and forgive me for not scouring 114 pages for it): Where did Old Steve get a bright, shiny shield to give the Falcon?
Last I remember, the one he had looked like the second-most popular pizza on the buffet when Thanos was done with it. That's before we even talk about Cap not taking it into the past with him.[/QUOTE]
Changing the past doesn't change the present, that didn't stop old man Steve from keeping his shield for the duration of the battle while his shield was shattered, so there were two shields for the sake of passing the legacy to Sam Wilson. I think it's an alternate timeline that crossed in with the main story's timeline.
I think I just explained how they can use Kang effectively for the MCU, but I'd rather they avoid using that time travelling maniac.
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[QUOTE=DrNewGod;4518199]How much game has 100+ year old Cap got?
He looks all aged and frail by the lake. Nonetheless, he sneaks into property with nobody realizing he's there.
Stark's place. The hyper-paranoid, infinitely resourced Stark. Who built a house for his wife and child. That he loves more than life.
Just gotta think getting a lakeside view there without permission is no small feat.
So was Steve sandbagging?[/QUOTE]
They weren't at Tony's home, though. They were at the Avengers Compound (Thanos must have missed a few storage sheds). Assuming they had any defenses at all, Cap could have simply remembered the codes.
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4518381]Well, he does a bit. Some of the jokes are just weak, others are okay. IMHO, while Spidey doesn't joke as much (and to be fair, in the comics, he does shut up when things get serious, which does happen a lot in the movies), the movies are still humorous, so it still works.[/QUOTE]
The movies are still humorous (because, well, they're Marvel movies) but I don't think it feels genuinely Spidey the way they approach the humor. At least compared to other takes or compared to other heroes in the movies.
[QUOTE]His humor is more situational. It creates a similar tone to the source material in a different way.[/QUOTE]
I think it completley changes the humor dynamic with Spidey, personally, but that's me.
It becomes more of a "laughing at him" type of thing instead of a "laughing with him" situation since he's not the one making the jokes, they're happening to him.
[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4518459]This...... it's all situational. Same thing with Thor. Thor isnt out there making non stop wise cracks and jokes. It's all situational. Garfield had the quipping down perfect but I'll take Holand in every other category[/QUOTE]
Garfield had a better Spider-Man personality. Holland doesn't really have one.
So he's a good Peter Parker but I've never really been able to buy him as Spidey.
Thor shouldn't really be a wise-cracker or a joke farm but that's kind of what they've made Hemsworth's Thor into.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4518722]They weren't at Tony's home, though. They were at the Avengers Compound (Thanos must have missed a few storage sheds). Assuming they had any defenses at all, Cap could have simply remembered the codes.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of Avengers Compound, is it going to be a tradition now for Avengers bases to get blown up at some point every couple of movies?
I'm surprised the compound lasted longer then Avengers Tower did.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4518755]
It becomes more of a "laughing at him" type of thing instead of a "laughing with him" situation since he's not the one making the jokes, they're happening to him.
Garfield had a better Spider-Man personality. Holland doesn't really have one.
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Garfield does indeed have a much more accurate early Spider-Man vibe. The thing is, Garfield wasn't popular. Comic Spider-Man is a reformed fame-whoring douchebag turned angry vigilante. Comicbook Spider-Man can get away with being that in print being the printed word adds another layer of distance between character and reader. So we can brush aside that this is someone who is fundamentally not a good person mostly forcing himself to behave as a good person for the sake of his uncle's memory, and laugh as that leftover inner douchebag comes out in the form of quips.
On the screen, though, it is very in-your-face who Spider-Man is. Garfield's very naked, realistic portrayal of who Parker is inside is much less palatable on screen than it is in a comic. In a movie, Spider-Man as Innocence-Incarnate simply works better.
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[QUOTE=MichaelC;4519245]Garfield does indeed have a much more accurate early Spider-Man vibe. The thing is, Garfield wasn't popular. Comic Spider-Man is a reformed fame-whoring douchebag turned angry vigilante. Comicbook Spider-Man can get away with being that in print being the printed word adds another layer of distance between character and reader. So we can brush aside that this is someone who is fundamentally not a good person mostly forcing himself to behave as a good person for the sake of his uncle's memory, and laugh as that leftover inner douchebag comes out in the form of quips. .[/QUOTE]
Wow, that's an unfairly dark interpretation of Spidey
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[QUOTE=AJBopp;4511872]1) The directors didn't write the story
2) The directors shot an entirely new scene for the explicit purpose of emphasizing that there are no alternate timelines.
But I agree, let's move on.[/QUOTE]
I dont think its that there are no alternate timelines, it's that you can't change *your* timeline. The Avengers travel through history stealing stuff; each time they do they create a branching history, independent of their own. So there was a timeline where the time stone wasn't there to stop Dormammu (or however the hell its spelled) in Dr. Strange, and a timeline where Thanos disappeared in 2014 and never returned. But those aren't the Avengers' timeline; the "main" timeline doesn't change.
Once Steve put the stones back where/when they belong, those alternate branches shut down and ceased to exist. That's why the Ancient One was willing to give Hulk the time stone. By giving the stone to Banner she was condemning an entire reality, quadrillions of lives, to doom at the hands of Dormammu (no time stone = Strange can't stop him), but she was trusting Hulk (and Strange's plan) to put the stone back where it belonged so that timeline never happened.
Of course, this means the Loki who escaped with the space stone is still out there, because that branch in reality was never fixed. So there *is* a leftover alternate timeline out there.
As for the directors.....I got nothing but love for the Russo brothers, they've made basically all my favorite MCU films. But art does not have a single answer, each viewer brings their own interpretation to it. For example, a lot of us thought in Infinity War that the Hulk was scared to fight Thanos again after getting his ass beat. The Russos say he was just tired of saving Banner. That's what they intended to convey, but the people who see a scared Hulk aren't wrong. So what the Russo's say about alternate timelines and whether Steve married "his" Peggy or another timeline's version.....it doesn't matter.
Actually, on that matter there's no evidence at all to prove "main" Peggy's husband *wasn't* Steve. We never see photos of Peggy's husband, she never mentions him by name, and when we see her in Winter Soldier her mind has gone. Steve could have married "his" Peggy, made up a new name to live under, and MCU history unfolds in the exact same way. Even Old Peggy's talk with Steve in Winter Soldier doesn't disprove this; she's a highly unreliable narrator. All Peggy has to do is lie about Steve being alive, and since she's a founder of SHIELD I don't think that's a problem for her.
I'm guessing "main" Peggy's husband was named Roger Stevens. And he had a beard and dark hair. And Peggy's work friends never met him. And everyone joked about how close his name was to Steve's, and how Peggy never really moved on, and how awful must that be for Roger? :p
Regarding Cap's shield he gives to Sam......who knows where it came from? I think the simplest solution is that it is his shield, repaired by T'Challa. We don't know how much time passed between the final battle and Steve's trip through time but we do know Tony's funeral happened in between those moments, and that probably required at least a few days to organize, if not longer. So Steve could have asked T'Challa to repair it (which likely wouldn't have taken very long all things considered, it's just a Frisbee), then put it in his room before leaving to return the stones, and (as Old Man Rogers) recovered it before meeting Sam.
He also might have taken it from one of the branching realities before shutting them down too.
Sorry for the long post. Watched the movie a couple days ago and thoughts and theories have been stirring.
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[QUOTE=MichaelC;4519245]Garfield does indeed have a much more accurate early Spider-Man vibe. The thing is, Garfield wasn't popular. Comic Spider-Man is a reformed fame-whoring douchebag turned angry vigilante. Comicbook Spider-Man can get away with being that in print being the printed word adds another layer of distance between character and reader. So we can brush aside that this is someone who is fundamentally not a good person mostly forcing himself to behave as a good person for the sake of his uncle's memory, and laugh as that leftover inner douchebag comes out in the form of quips.
On the screen, though, it is very in-your-face who Spider-Man is. Garfield's very naked, realistic portrayal of who Parker is inside is much less palatable on screen than it is in a comic. In a movie, Spider-Man as Innocence-Incarnate simply works better.[/QUOTE]
I think Garfield was popular as Spider-Man. People loved that scene of him messing with those crooks that they spammed so much in trailers and promotion. It's just his Peter Parker was kind of a tool.
The quipping is more of a coping mechanism or just the Spider-Man persona taking over then it is a leftover from when he was a jerk after he got his powers. Peter had anger issues when he first started out but those got smoothed over time as he got older.
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[QUOTE=Frontier;4518755]The movies are still humorous (because, well, they're Marvel movies) but I don't think it feels genuinely Spidey the way they approach the humor. At least compared to other takes or compared to other heroes in the movies.[/quote]
Have to say that they really seemed in line with the old Lee-written comics (which where Raimi's biggest influence).
[QUOTE=Frontier;4518755]I think it completley changes the humor dynamic with Spidey, personally, but that's me.[/quote]
Okay.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4518755]It becomes more of a "laughing at him" type of thing instead of a "laughing with him" situation since he's not the one making the jokes, they're happening to him.[/quote]
Don't see it that way, but can get why you'd think that.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4518755][B]Garfield had a better Spider-Man personality. Holland doesn't really have one. [/B]
So he's a good Peter Parker but I've never really been able to buy him as Spidey.[/quote]
Don't honestly see that.
[QUOTE=Frontier;4518755]Thor shouldn't really be a wise-cracker or a joke farm but that's kind of what they've made Hemsworth's Thor into.[/quote]
Course, Hemsworth does play joke farm Thor a lot better then he did the earlier take.
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[font=georgia]So I rented a movie this weekend. Endgame, 5.99 plus tax and Sling will give it to you for 30 days, not bad If it's a big enough movie that I missed and I'm on the fence about getting a physical.
I will go through these pages at some point but I think I enjoyed IW better but I feel you have to judge this mostly on closure and honestly it was done about as well as it could have.
2 nitpicks- I didn't like that Cap had to fight himself, that was odd. Still can't wrap my soul around that one on any level. And Valkyrie's horse! Where was it, on 'New Asgard'? There is only 1 flying horse in the MCU and really in recent movies in general. He got up to fighting speed in a hurry, where was the horse, help a brotha out. [/font]
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[QUOTE=Surf;4519812][font=georgia]So I rented a movie this weekend. Endgame, 5.99 plus tax and Sling will give it to you for 30 days, not bad If it's a big enough movie that I missed and I'm on the fence about getting a physical.
I will go through these pages at some point but I think I enjoyed IW better but I feel you have to judge this mostly on closure and honestly it was done about as well as it could have.
2 nitpicks- I didn't like that Cap had to fight himself, that was odd. Still can't wrap my soul around that one on any level. And Valkyrie's horse! Where was it, on 'New Asgard'? There is only 1 flying horse in the MCU and really in recent movies in general. He got up to fighting speed in a hurry, where was the horse, help a brotha out. [/font][/QUOTE]
Your the first person ever if heard ask that. Of all the questions in this movie you want to know where Valkyrie was keeping her horse? Lol who knows.