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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4519970]Your the first person ever if heard ask that. Of all the questions in this movie you want to know where Valkyrie was keeping her horse? Lol who knows.[/QUOTE]
What about where Valkryie was keeping all the Asguardian soldiers since between Malekith, Hela, and Thanos... they sould pretty much be wiped out lol
the respawned like the Dotrhaki lol
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4519970]Your the first person ever if heard ask that.[/quote]
[font=georgia]Not even the first come to find out, on this end of the site maybe. [url]https://www.cbr.com/avengers-endgame-valkyrie-pegasus/[/url][/font]
[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4519970][B]Of all the questions in this movie[/B][/QUOTE]
[font=georgia]There are a lot, but also this movie was unique in getting in front of shit. 'This is the culmination of 10 years dot, dot, dot' is a good reasonable answer coupled with Banner's time travel spiel to quash most of what transpired, imo at least.
Although Brunnhilde is an actual returning character albeit in a flashback, which makes it more of a huh(?) really.[/font]
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;4519989]What about where Valkryie was keeping all the Asguardian soldiers since between Malekith, Hela, and Thanos... they sould pretty much be wiped out lol
the respawned like the Dotrhaki lol[/QUOTE]
[font=georgia]Heh, they've seen and been...through a lot. I guess commercial crab fishing off the coast of Maine is enough of a 'yea, they can all do that' for your average Asguardian refugee.[/font]
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[QUOTE=Surf;4520044][font=georgia]Not even the first come to find out, on this end of the site maybe. [url]https://www.cbr.com/avengers-endgame-valkyrie-pegasus/[/url][/font]
[font=georgia]There are a lot, but also this movie was unique in getting in front of shit. 'This is the culmination of 10 years dot, dot, dot' is a good reasonable answer coupled with Banner's time travel spiel to quash most of what transpired, imo at least.
Although Brunnhilde is an actual returning character albeit in a flashback, which makes it more of a huh(?) really.[/font]
[font=georgia]Heh, they've seen and been...through a lot. I guess commercial crab fishing off the coast of Maine is enough of a 'yea, they can all do that' for your average Asguardian refugee.[/font][/QUOTE]
Lol I didnt know till i just googled it after reading your post that Tessa is playing the actual Brumnhilde and not a different Valkayrie like people had assumed. I think everyone thought her dead lover from the flashback was suppose to be Brunnhilde.
But there was so much time(5years) for her to get a new horse.
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The final battle with Thanos, is it me or was the film making approach reminisce of The Long Night from Game of Thrones? The screen was too dull-dark and blurry. Both the Russos and D&D should have taken a few tips from The Lord of The Rings: The Two towers when it comes to big epic battles that takes place during the night.
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I kind of felt bad for characters like Mantis who only show up for the team shot and then never got any screentime during the big fight; even in passing =p
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[QUOTE=Beaddle;4521124]The final battle with Thanos, is it me or was the film making approach reminisce of The Long Night from Game of Thrones? The screen was too dull-dark and blurry. Both the Russos and D&D should have taken a few tips from The Lord of The Rings: The Two towers when it comes to big epic battles that takes place during the night.[/QUOTE]
The Endgame battle didn’t happen at night.
And comparing the lighting in Endgame to that of The Long Night is a hilariously bad attempt.
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So, reading the article the Russos say Strange lived through all 14 million scenarios, but it can't be the same as the end of the "Dr Strange" movie where he literally reset time, because that was actually happening - it was real life. Strange's visions had to have just been visions even if he was living them in real time, or else why bother going back to the past after they succeeded just to tell Stark they succeeded only one time? Wouldn't he have just NOT reset things then and let time go on from there after they had won?
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[QUOTE=anon_me;4521315]I kind of felt bad for characters like Mantis who only show up for the team shot and then never got any screentime during the big fight; even in passing =p[/QUOTE]
1) She was prominent in Infinity War.
2) Mantis was shown solo and fighting with other Guardians during the battle prior to the A-Force team shot.
Howard the Duck got to lead a charge of Ravagers!
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[QUOTE=anon_me;4521315]I kind of felt bad for characters like Mantis who only show up for the team shot and then never got any screentime during the big fight; even in passing =p[/QUOTE]
There's only so much that can be done, even with 3+ hours of footage. I wish M'Baku walked through the portal with the rest of the Wakandan contingent, even though we see him running side by side with the main Avengers in Endgame.
With that said, my only real gripe about the final battle was that there were "one-shot" fight scenes, but almost all fight scenes were to serve the plot. Normally that's fine, but Civil War and the first Avengers' fight scenes were long because a sizeable chunk of them were simply just to show off more action. There wasn't much of a point in seeing Hawkeye vs. Black Panther, for example, but that was just plain fun nonetheless. Endgame's final battle had some of those types of scenes, but it really needed more -- Okoye killed Corvus Glaive, but she did it with a blink-and-you'll-miss direction. An extended fight scene between the two would've done wonders. More scenes of characters who otherwise had nothing to do with each other would've been neat and in the right direction.
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I think the big three should have had a scene fighting alongside 'their guys'. Cap, Bucky and Falcon, Tony, Rhodes and Pepper, Thor, Val and Korg, maybe?
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So, reading the article the Russos say Strange lived through all 14 million scenarios, but it can't be the same as the end of the "Dr Strange" movie where he literally reset time, because that was actually happening - it was real life. Strange's visions had to have just been visions even if he was living them in real time, or else why bother going back to the past after they succeeded just to tell Stark they succeeded only one time? Wouldn't he have just NOT reset things then and let time go on from there after they had won?[/QUOTE]
Cause there was a bunch of possible ways it could go. Without him there to give Thanos the stone and then to hold back the water that one timeline wouldnt have happened. Also I think him giving Tony the Finger saying 1 it confirmed for Tony he was about to do the right thing sacraficing himself. So Strange needed to be there otherwise that time line never woulda happened or would begin to be a alternate timeline.
In Dr Stranges movie Mordo clearly states any Manipulation of time can cause Branching timelines and dimensional openings. Dr Strange just leaving and staying in the future I think would be an issue. Also Mordo doesnt say nothing about needing to take a stone to another time to create a branch. He says any Time manipulation can cause branching in the timeline. Thought the dimensional opening part was what was important to that movie.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4521753]I think the big three should have had a scene fighting alongside 'their guys'. Cap, Bucky and Falcon, Tony, Rhodes and Pepper, Thor, Val and Korg, maybe?[/QUOTE]
That woulda been cool but the movie was already 3hours. I wish we woulda got more BP and Cap fighting together like we did In Infinty war.
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4521976]Cause there was a bunch of possible ways it could go. Without him there to give Thanos the stone and then to hold back the water that one timeline wouldnt have happened. Also I think him giving Tony the Finger saying 1 it confirmed for Tony he was about to do the right thing sacraficing himself. So Strange needed to be there otherwise that time line never woulda happened or would begin to be a alternate timeline.
In Dr Stranges movie Mordo clearly states any Manipulation of time can cause Branching timelines and dimensional openings. Dr Strange just leaving and staying in the future I think would be an issue. Also Mordo doesnt say nothing about needing to take a stone to another time to create a branch. He says any Time manipulation can cause branching in the timeline. Thought the dimensional opening part was what was important to that movie.[/QUOTE]
I think the words, "If you're not careful ..." were said, too. I will have to rewatch.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4521676]2) Mantis was shown solo and fighting with other Guardians during the battle prior to the A-Force team shot.[/QUOTE]
Hmm...now I have to go look for her.
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[QUOTE=anon_me;4522080]Hmm...now I have to go look for her.[/QUOTE]
Well, it wasn't like Cap/Thor/Iron Man, it was very much a blink and you miss it.
And I think that was your original point on a deeper read, you wanted to see more of her in Endgame.
Somebody said Mantis has more fight scenes than Brunnhilde did in the final battle (not her pre-battle scenes, just on the field) but they weren't showy. I remember them as running around, putting somebody to sleep, and a kick to the face.
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I thought Valkryie had a lot of screentime in the final fight. But yeah, I just didn't notice Mantis except during the beginning and at the A-team team-up shot; I mean I saw Shuri at least twice on the field (once at the start and then once when she, Wasp, and Pepper blasted Thanos out of Carol's way).
On a separate note, who were the spaceships coming out of the portals? Xandar?
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[QUOTE=anon_me;4522199]I thought Valkryie had a lot of screentime in the final fight. But yeah, I just didn't notice Mantis except during the beginning and at the A-team team-up shot; I mean I saw Shuri at least twice on the field (once at the start and then once when she, Wasp, and Pepper blasted Thanos out of Carol's way).
On a separate note, who were the spaceships coming out of the portals? Xandar?[/QUOTE]
Ravagers and Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Cyke;4521686]Endgame's final battle had some of those types of scenes, but it really needed more -- Okoye killed Corvus Glaive, but she did it with a blink-and-you'll-miss direction. An extended fight scene between the two would've done wonders.[/QUOTE]
OMG. So, she did. I was just re-watching the battle scene and I've always seen her skewer him but I always just thought it was some cannon fodder, not an actual named character.
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4519574]Have to say that they really seemed in line with the old Lee-written comics (which where Raimi's biggest influence).[
[QUOTE]Don't honestly see that.[/QUOTE]
I guess it just comes off that way to me because Holland's Peter, aside from a few moments in Homecoming, doesn't really act any differently when he's in the Spider-Man suit.
Garfield had the opposite problem.
[QUOTE]Course, Hemsworth does play joke farm Thor a lot better then he did the earlier take.[/QUOTE]
I thought Hemsworth did a fine job playing the older version of Thor, even if he didn't seem to enjoy it as much.
But I guess it's just what they say...you start out playing Thor, only to live long enough to basically play Hercules :p.
[QUOTE=anon_me;4521315]I kind of felt bad for characters like Mantis who only show up for the team shot and then never got any screentime during the big fight; even in passing =p[/QUOTE]
I felt bad that Rocket didn't even remember her name.
[QUOTE=Cyke;4521686]There's only so much that can be done, even with 3+ hours of footage. I wish M'Baku walked through the portal with the rest of the Wakandan contingent, even though we see him running side by side with the main Avengers in Endgame.
With that said, my only real gripe about the final battle was that there were "one-shot" fight scenes, but almost all fight scenes were to serve the plot. Normally that's fine, but Civil War and the first Avengers' fight scenes were long because a sizeable chunk of them were simply just to show off more action. There wasn't much of a point in seeing Hawkeye vs. Black Panther, for example, but that was just plain fun nonetheless. Endgame's final battle had some of those types of scenes, but it really needed more -- Okoye killed Corvus Glaive, but she did it with a blink-and-you'll-miss direction. An extended fight scene between the two would've done wonders. More scenes of characters who otherwise had nothing to do with each other would've been neat and in the right direction.[/QUOTE]
This was kind of my problem with it too.
Like, there were so many heroes in that fight so that, while epic, it was really hard to tell what some of them were doing or contributing most of the time.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4521997]I think the words, "If you're not careful ..." were said, too. I will have to rewatch.[/QUOTE]
Maybe havent watched that movie in awhile. Just know he said Manipulating time would lead to branching realities and dimensional openings.
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4523049]Maybe havent watched that movie in awhile. Just know he said Manipulating time would lead to branching realities and dimensional openings.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree. I think the implication is if you don't return a stone or the apple to the right moment after you take it, time will branch.
And there's a rumor of an unfinished scene that was intended for the stinger at the end.
Loki is shown teleporting to Asgard only to have Cap appear behind, "You have got to be kidding me!" Gets knocked out by Cap with the hammer and Cap teleports him back to the lobby, only for 2012 Cap appear from the stairs and knock Loki out again for "impersonating" Steve during the fight, and the stone is shown being put back in the case.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4524421]Yeah, I agree. I think the implication is if you don't return a stone or the apple to the right moment after you take it, time will branch.
And there's a rumor of an unfinished scene that was intended for the stinger at the end.
Loki is shown teleporting to Asgard only to have Cap appear behind, "You have got to be kidding me!" Gets knocked out by Cap with the hammer and Cap teleports him back to the lobby, only for 2012 Cap appear from the stairs and knock Loki out again for "impersonating" Steve during the fight, and the stone is shown being put back in the case.[/QUOTE]
I mean the space stone doesnt time travel but what if Dimension hoping works like the Quantem realm. Assuming the space stone can hop dimensions and to other timelines. Maybe that's how Loki ends up at the premiere of Jaws. Everytime he jumps to another timeline he enters it and a random time in history. I believe Hiddleston said this would be the 2012 Loki in the show. So yea hes got to get back in time somehow and that all I can think off. Like without Tonys bands the Quantem realm can spit you out at any time maybe using the space stone to travel between Dimensions does the same thing. Who knows probaly wont know more for awhile.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4524421]Yeah, I agree. I think the implication is if you don't return a stone or the apple to the right moment after you take it, time will branch.
And there's a rumor of an unfinished scene that was intended for the stinger at the end.
Loki is shown teleporting to Asgard only to have Cap appear behind, "You have got to be kidding me!" Gets knocked out by Cap with the hammer and Cap teleports him back to the lobby, only for 2012 Cap appear from the stairs and knock Loki out again for "impersonating" Steve during the fight, and the stone is shown being put back in the case.[/QUOTE]
What's funny is that the timeline with the rogue Loki is probably the safest timeline there is.
Loki's on the run from Thanos, but with the perfect tool, and skills, to stay ahead of him. Loki won't replace Odin, weakening him to the point of death and freeing Hela, and when Thanos does begin collecting the infinity stones, the most useful one is in the hands of Loki, who knows enough to stay away, and whom Thanos holds no leverage
The rest, if they follow history...
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4521976]Cause there was a bunch of possible ways it could go. Without him there to give Thanos the stone and then to hold back the water that one timeline wouldnt have happened. Also I think him giving Tony the Finger saying 1 it confirmed for Tony he was about to do the right thing sacraficing himself. So Strange needed to be there otherwise that time line never woulda happened or would begin to be a alternate timeline.
In Dr Stranges movie Mordo clearly states any Manipulation of time can cause Branching timelines and dimensional openings. Dr Strange just leaving and staying in the future I think would be an issue. Also Mordo doesnt say nothing about needing to take a stone to another time to create a branch. He says any Time manipulation can cause branching in the timeline. Thought the dimensional opening part was what was important to that movie.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. If the Russos are saying Strange actually lived all those lives and was resetting time rather than just having visions, then he [I]was[/I] there and he [I]did[/I] those things and he saw Thanos lose because he lived it - it was done. Why go back to tell Stark when they had already won? What we saw then in "Endgame" was him living through it [I]again[/I] but taking a chance that it would not turn out the same way. Unless what we saw was him actually living it and him[I] saying[/I] there was only one way to win was part of the one way to win....?
Man, I had avoided all those discussions about time travel in this thread when the movie came out because I knew it would be a pointless headache, yet here I am... :p
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4524421]And there's a rumor of an unfinished scene that was intended for the stinger at the end.
Loki is shown teleporting to Asgard only to have Cap appear behind, "You have got to be kidding me!" Gets knocked out by Cap with the hammer and Cap teleports him back to the lobby, only for 2012 Cap appear from the stairs and knock Loki out again for "impersonating" Steve during the fight, and the stone is shown being put back in the case.[/QUOTE]
Would love to see that on the BluRay.
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[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4525101]I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. If the Russos are saying Strange actually lived all those lives and was resetting time rather than just having visions, then he [I]was[/I] there and he [I]did[/I] those things and he saw Thanos lose because he lived it - it was done. Why go back to tell Stark when they had already won? What we saw then in "Endgame" was him living through it [I]again[/I] but taking a chance that it would not turn out the same way. Unless what we saw was him actually living it and him[I] saying[/I] there was only one way to win was part of the one way to win....?
Man, I had avoided all those discussions about time travel in this thread when the movie came out because I knew it would be a pointless headache, yet here I am... :p[/QUOTE]
Maybe he did just stay there. I mean that one time line had to happen the way we saw it anyway. So unless your asking why didnt the movie just jump forward with Strange after he said 1. But for all we know Strange did stay there. And we just watched that one timeline he lived out that worked. He failed a bunch almsot 14million times so yea maybe we just saw it last attempt. He might have spared Tony 100x prior to that but they always fell short till he added the one time line comment to give Tony the confidence he was doing the right thing sacraficing himself. Who knows I'm getting a headache thinking about it and keep losing my line of thought
Also do we know if Strange saw this exact series of events from the movie or if he jsut saw a path to win and came back and tried to pull that long shot off? I didn't read the interview your talking about with the Russos saying all this. So correct me by all means if they stated more then just Dr Dr Strange lived out all these timelines. Saying that he did sounds like a good way to make him a much better sorcerer quick and also a nod to the (shit 1000year war? Ugh I'm spacing right now) from the comics. Basicaly saying Strange has gained the wisdom and experience of living lifetimes while no time really passed In our earth.
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Either way, at least he got snapped so that didnt have to live through those 5 intervening years 14 million times. ;)
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[QUOTE=j9ac9k;4525458]Either way, at least he got snapped so that didnt have to live through those 5 intervening years 14 million times. ;)[/QUOTE]
Lol if it was random he shouldnt have been dusted in every timeline right? Another thing I'd like them to clarify is TAO states you cant see past your own death..so either the people snapped arent really dead(Which means Thanos and his army arent) and are just stuck in the soul stone or whatever happens to them. Or it's a plothole that Strange could see those futures.
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4525188]Would love to see that on the BluRay.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of stuff the Russo's said they wished was on the blu-ray. They focused on actual cut scenes, as in, scenes they showed to test audiences.
I still everyone taking a knee should've been in the whole time!
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4525477]Lol if it was random he shouldnt have been dusted in every timeline right? Another thing I'd like them to clarify is TAO states you cant see past your own death..so either the people snapped arent really dead(Which means Thanos and his army arent) and are just stuck in the soul stone or whatever happens to them. Or it's a plothole that Strange could see those futures.[/QUOTE]
The MCU uses a condensed version of String Theory in regards to time travel.
So when Strange traveled to the future(s), he did not interfere so that he would not create a new branch in time, but pre-snap Strange existed in each of those ~14M timelines.
Does that make sense?
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[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4525276]Maybe he did just stay there. I mean that one time line had to happen the way we saw it anyway. So unless your asking why didnt the movie just jump forward with Strange after he said 1. But for all we know Strange did stay there. And we just watched that one timeline he lived out that worked. He failed a bunch almsot 14million times so yea maybe we just saw it last attempt. He might have spared Tony 100x prior to that but they always fell short till he added the one time line comment to give Tony the confidence he was doing the right thing sacraficing himself. Who knows I'm getting a headache thinking about it and keep losing my line of thought
Also do we know if Strange saw this exact series of events from the movie or if he jsut saw a path to win and came back and tried to pull that long shot off? I didn't read the interview your talking about with the Russos saying all this. So correct me by all means if they stated more then just Dr Dr Strange lived out all these timelines. Saying that he did sounds like a good way to make him a much better sorcerer quick and also a nod to the (shit 1000year war? Ugh I'm spacing right now) from the comics. Basicaly saying Strange has gained the wisdom and experience of living lifetimes while no time really passed In our earth.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to think that Strange saw things mostly from his perspective and only saw variances in what he himself could control. So yes, him revealing what he found to Tony and the team would be a factor. As would him giving the time stone to Thanos.
The rat always happens exactly that way, since it was purely a random coincidence. Strange wasn't there since he got snapped. Same goes for other things with the time travel - he has no opportunity to accept it or reject it.
Ok now for some math. This should be a factorial - calculus.
What Strange was looking at in the future was permutations that totaled to a little over 14,000,000. So 10 factorial is about 3.6 million and 11 factorial is something like 30 million. So the number of decisions Strange makes in his vision of the future is somewhere between 10 and 11, haha. Math, lol.
But if math applied to these things, thats how it would work. About 10 decisions by Strange.
10! = 10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 3,628,800
11! = 39,916,800
In short, Strange decided to tell everyone (1), give up the time stone (2) and then made 8 other critical decisions either right before the battle or on the battlefield. Presumably one of the decisions is to bring everyone and their mother to the battle.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4521753]I think the big three should have had a scene fighting alongside 'their guys'. Cap, Bucky and Falcon, Tony, Rhodes and Pepper, Thor, Val and Korg, maybe?[/QUOTE]
I think any one of those three would have been great (and we did get a piece of one of them with Rescue and Iron Man's back to back thing). All of them tho might have felt a bit forced and overdone.
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[QUOTE=BeastieRunner;4525868]There's a lot of stuff the Russo's said they wished was on the blu-ray. They focused on actual cut scenes, as in, scenes they showed to test audiences.
[B]I still everyone taking a knee should've been in the whole time![/B][/QUOTE]
Would've worked and explained where Gamorra went to.
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[QUOTE=WebLurker;4526118]Would've worked and explained where Gamorra went to.[/QUOTE]
Good point. Until I saw the deleted scenes, I thought Gamorra got Dusted with Thanos.
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Quick question before I forget; do we see how Proxima Midnight dies? Corvus gets killed by Okoye in what should have been a bigger scene. Ebony Maw gets Snapped, we see him die as Thanos watches his forces atomize. And Black Dwarf gets stomped on by Ant-Man. But I haven't caught Midnight's death.
As for Strange and the 14 million futures......I took it that Strange was "experiencing" these realities as if he were really there, but he wasn't *actually* traveling time; he was just observing it. To him it would "feel" real and he'd experience everything as if it were, but really all he's doing is watching 14 million really super immersive tv shows. He can't change the script, he can just watch.
So from the moment Strange finishes peering into the future up until Thanos dies, Strange is looking at each development as it happens and winnowing down the outcomes. That's actually pretty fascinating, the idea of Strange watching things he's already witnessed unfold, and doing the math to see if they're still on the right path. "Thanos just threw a moon, that means all these possible futures don't happen because he never threw the moon in those." "The dam broke at this particular location, conveniently next to me, which means these futures might still happen while these other ones don't." He saw futures where he tried to use future-sight to form a game plan with Tony and it backfired. He saw futures where he didn't hold up one finger at the end, and Thanos won. He saw futures where the dam breaks in a different location, and they drown. Etc etc. And as the actual events unfold, Strange is just following the narrative; he knows what has to happen to win, and he knows what he does at each juncture, so all he can do is wait for each development and hope like hell it's the winning one, then do whatever he remembers doing the first time he experienced the winning timeline.
Oh, as for Mordo, he said the bill always come due. Now, we know Thanos could track the stones, but it seems he needed them to unleash a powerful blast first so his sensors could identify them. That's why he could pinpoint the space and mind stone's locations; he already knew their signatures, but couldn't find the soul stone (no one had used it, so there's no energy to identify and track). So, presumably if Thanos had known the time stone was a few blocks away in Avengers 1, he'd have made a much more concentrated effort to get it, right? We see TAO defending the Sanctum in Endgame, but it seems to just be from random chaos, the Chitari aren't focused on her. So my question is this; when Strange uses the time stone to stop Dormammu, is *that* the powerful burst of energy Thanos needed to locate the stone? I tell you what, if Thanos was able to find the time stone because of Strange and Dormammu, then Mordo really is right; that bill came due and it cost everyone a whole damn lot.
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I suspect that like the Asgardians, Thanos always knew that the time stone was on earth, he just wasn't ready to make a move until his forces established a beach head.
Thanos didn't require a burst of energy to find the stones. The stones were connected, and with the gauntlet, he used the power stone to find the space stone, then reality, etc.
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Then why couldn't he track the soul stone the same way? If he were able to locate the other stones with pinpoint accuracy, and he was able to use the stones to find the stones, he should've been able to find the soul stone the same way. Nothing in the film says that stone has any special attributes along these lines, just that it requires a sacrifice to get.
Perhaps you're right and he didn't want to over-reach in Avengers 1. Perhaps he knew the time stone was there and didn't tell Loki or the Chitari and planned on taking it after Loki had his war. But I feel like if the guy knew, he wouldn't have let it slide. That's half the stones all in one place, on a little mudball planet with (as far as anyone knew) minimal defenses. What reason did he have to hold back? Obviously he didn't really trust Loki, but when he's already trusting Loki to handle two stones why not go for the one that could un-do all that effort? And if he needed the stones to track the stones, why give up the only one he had to Loki? Wouldn't that have removed his ability to find them?
And in Endgame, the Avengers spend weeks scanning space looking for Thanos, but only find him once he's used the gauntlet again. Obviously Thanos has much more advanced tech but I suspect the basic principal is the same; before you can follow the energy you need a big enough signature to see.
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[QUOTE=DrNewGod;4529224]Good point. Until I saw the deleted scenes, I thought Gamorra got Dusted with Thanos.[/QUOTE]
Since she'd already defected, I assumed that the Stones didn't count her as one of Thanos's henchwomen. It also would've been narratively odd to tease that future storyline of Peter and co. trying to find her if she was supposed to be dead again.
[QUOTE=Ascended;4529329]Quick question before I forget; do we see how Proxima Midnight dies? Corvus gets killed by Okoye in what should have been a bigger scene. Ebony Maw gets Snapped, we see him die as Thanos watches his forces atomize. And Black Dwarf gets stomped on by Ant-Man. But I haven't caught Midnight's death.[/QUOTE]
She's dusted at the end. It's hard to see, but in the long shot of the army disintegrating, you can see her with the fallen lieutenant she was married to (according to behind the scenes info).
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4529329]...Oh, as for Mordo, he said the bill always come due. Now, we know Thanos could track the stones, but it seems he needed them to unleash a powerful blast first so his sensors could identify them. That's why he could pinpoint the space and mind stone's locations; he already knew their signatures, but couldn't find the soul stone (no one had used it, so there's no energy to identify and track). So, presumably if Thanos had known the time stone was a few blocks away in Avengers 1, he'd have made a much more concentrated effort to get it, right? We see TAO defending the Sanctum in Endgame, but it seems to just be from random chaos, the Chitari aren't focused on her. So my question is this; when Strange uses the time stone to stop Dormammu, is *that* the powerful burst of energy Thanos needed to locate the stone? I tell you what, if Thanos was able to find the time stone because of Strange and Dormammu, then Mordo really is right; that bill came due and it cost everyone a whole damn lot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;4529404]I suspect that like the Asgardians, Thanos always knew that the time stone was on earth, he just wasn't ready to make a move until his forces established a beach head.
Thanos didn't require a burst of energy to find the stones. The stones were connected, and with the gauntlet, he used the power stone to find the space stone, then reality, etc.[/QUOTE]I can buy The Cool Thatguy's answer, but I got to say I like Ascended's take on this. If for no other reason, it gives Mordo a bucket-fulla "I told you so!" for future appearances.
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[QUOTE=Ascended;4529908]Then why couldn't he track the soul stone the same way? If he were able to locate the other stones with pinpoint accuracy, and he was able to use the stones to find the stones, he should've been able to find the soul stone the same way. Nothing in the film says that stone has any special attributes along these lines, just that it requires a sacrifice to get.
Perhaps you're right and he didn't want to over-reach in Avengers 1. Perhaps he knew the time stone was there and didn't tell Loki or the Chitari and planned on taking it after Loki had his war. But I feel like if the guy knew, he wouldn't have let it slide. That's half the stones all in one place, on a little mudball planet with (as far as anyone knew) minimal defenses. What reason did he have to hold back? Obviously he didn't really trust Loki, but when he's already trusting Loki to handle two stones why not go for the one that could un-do all that effort? And if he needed the stones to track the stones, why give up the only one he had to Loki? Wouldn't that have removed his ability to find them?
And in Endgame, the Avengers spend weeks scanning space looking for Thanos, but only find him once he's used the gauntlet again. Obviously Thanos has much more advanced tech but I suspect the basic principal is the same; before you can follow the energy you need a big enough signature to see.[/QUOTE]
Err, the Red Skull himself says that the soul stone is special among the infinity stones. Thanos couldn't sense it, didn't even know where it was until Gamora told him.
A big burst of energy wasn't required to find the stones. Thanos didn't need that to find the power stone. And Thanos wouldn't have needed to tell Loki, as 1) Thanos could influence Loki via the mind gem and 2) Loki likely already knew. I don't think it was a coincidence that Hulk was sent to the very same people who were responsible for protecting the time stone. Asgard seemed especially aware of the threat posed by the stones.