[QUOTE=Colossus1980;4341704]I wonder how the Avatar sequels will perform. It was definitely a visual eye opener when it came out. What can James Cameron bring to the table for 4 sequels? The global markets might bring Endgame back to number 2 or 3 if they come out in droves for Avatar 2.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they'll perform very well. Honestly, $700-$800 M will surprise me.
Stating the obvious, but the difference between James Cameron and Marvel is that James Cameron is James Cameron and Marvel is a collective of people. You do have Kevin Feige but he's not the director. Marvel had to make 22 movies to get that box office record. Cameron had to make just one movie. You can say what you will about him or his movies, but the numbers are the numbers. That's not overrating or underrating, that's just facts.
[QUOTE=Jim Kelly;4341745]Stating the obvious, but the difference between James Cameron and Marvel is that James Cameron is James Cameron and Marvel is a collective of people. [b] You do have Kevin Feige but he's not the director. Marvel had to make 22 movies to get that box office record. Cameron had to make just one movie. [/b] You can say what you will about him or his movies, but the numbers are the numbers. That's not overrating or underrating, that's just facts.[/QUOTE]
This makes it sound like Avatar was his directorial debut, Cameron built his reputation as box office gold through decades of work.
[I]Avengers: Endgame[/I] will probably follow a similar multiplier from [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I] domestically from its first two weekends. [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I] had made, roughly, two-thirds of its money through its second weekend domestically. Now, [I]Detective Pikachu[/I] would have to outperform expectations to play like [I]Deadpool 2[/I], and [I]Deadpool 2[/I] was more demographically similar to [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I]'s own demographic target than [I]Detective Pikachu[/I] is to [I]Avengers: Endgame[/I]'s. We would also probably expect [I]Solo[/I] and [I]Aladdin[/I] to perform roughly equal [B]domestically[/B] ([I]Solo[/I] made over $200 million domestic and with a typical 35/65 domestic/international split, it would've done pretty well--above $600 million) and, again, [I]Solo[/I] was far more similar, in regards to its audience, than [I]Aladdin[/I] to [I]Avengers: Endgame[/I]. That being said, a lot of people will have already seen [I]Avengers: Endgame[/I]. It's clearly going to be a bit front loaded. The lack of direct competition is probably what is going to allow it to play more like [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I]. With a 50% increase of its total gross, it'll probably crawl above $900 million, but fall just short of [I]Star Wars: The Force Awakens[/I], a movie with far less competition coming in two months after its release.
As to those international numbers, I don't expect [I]Detective Pikachu[/I] to play better than [I]Deadpool 2[/I] did against [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I] in territories not like China or Japan. Without accounting for China's box office total for [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I], [I]Avengers: Endgame[/I] made an additional $714 million globally, and, within that, an additional $226 million domestic. With only needing $600 million more (and the fact that I expect [I]Endgame[/I] to make roughly $280 million more domestic), [I]Endgame[/I] can afford to underperform internationally from here on out with a "mere" $320 million. With an expected extra $30 million from China, that leaves $290 million from all other territories that delivered $488 million more after [I]Avengers: Infinity War[/I]'s second frame. It might take a while, but I don't see how [I]Avengers: Endgame[/I] doesn't pass [I]Avatar[/I]. Of course, [I]Avengers: Endgame[/I] has to overperform these numbers to reach $3 billion, which I'm dubious about.
[QUOTE=Kusanagi;4341864]This makes it sound like Avatar was his directorial debut, Cameron built his reputation as box office gold through decades of work.[/QUOTE]
I'd also add that while Cameron's Avatar broke records for being somewhat unprecedented at the time, Endgame is also unprecedented in its own way.
Cameron doesn't have his own super-extended universe (yet), but Avatar is the culmination of his work and experience, starting from his Roger Corman shoe-string budget days to the Terminator movies to the Abyss (whose influence is still felt today) to Titanic. No one's knocking that, and there's no shame in it. He achieved exactly what he wanted to up to that point, and that's good.
But Endgame is also a culmination, too. Even if Feige isn't a director, all that coordination, advanced planning, and leadership is of almost mythical proportions. Feige will likely say, "Oh, but there's this entire crew of people who made it possible," which is true, but that crew still needed a captain.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;4339479]Do people generally [I]want[/I] movies to change their lives?
Follow-up: isn’t your life already changed? The constant hate posts you make seems like you’ve been given a purpose.[/QUOTE]
The answer to both question is no.
Plus, I was only taking about how much money it will make, not the movie itself.
Let me ask you this. If this movie makes $3 billion will it change your life?
[QUOTE=luprki;4342133]The answer to both question is no.
Plus, I was only taking about how much money it will make, not the movie itself.
Let me ask you this. If this movie makes $3 billion will it change your life?[/QUOTE]
Of course not but what is the point in coming into a thread about the movie making 3billion and asking that?
[QUOTE] This makes it sound like Avatar was his directorial debut, Cameron built his reputation as box office gold through decades of work. [/QUOTE]
He did titanic and t2 and true lies also and they made sure to let people know he directed it in the trailers.
[QUOTE=Kusanagi;4341864]Cameron built his reputation as box office gold through decades of work.[/QUOTE]
And each time Cameron did something completely different and innovative from what he had done before, so that it was impossible to predict success. In fact there were predictions that his movies would be monumental failures and it was a genuine surprise when they made all the money.
And I wasn't just talking about Cameron as a director--he's a much bigger figure than that. He's an industry unto himself--which is why he has so much hubris. That's my point--he's a singular individual doing remarkable things rather than a team of people all working together to do remarkable things.
I'm not putting down the team, anymore than I'm putting down the individual. But they are two different amazing achievements. When we watch the Olympics, we marvel at the feats of individuals to do things that no one else has done before, just as we marvel at teams working together to win the gold.
[QUOTE=luprki;4342133]The answer to both question is no.
Plus, I was only taking about how much money it will make, not the movie itself.
Let me ask you this. If this movie makes $3 billion will it change your life?[/QUOTE]
If one only posts on things that will significantly changes their life there's be hardly any posts anywhere. Box office performance is simply interesting to some people as this thread proves. And milestones, records and 'most' is very interesting, whether it's who eats the most hot dogs or what movie grossed the most money.
However, I do think that the box office success of the MCU could impact people positively. Oprah said, "I've interviewed over 30,000 people on this show and they all had one thing in common. They all wanted validation. Every person you ever will meet shares that one common desire. They all want to know, 'do you see me? Do you hear me? Does what I say mean anything to you?'" For a group of people who might not always feel validated in their love of comics and these characters, the fact that millions of people around the globe now share their love could be validating.
[QUOTE=luprki;4342133]The answer to both question is no.
Plus, I was only taking about how much money it will make, not the movie itself.
Let me ask you this. If this movie makes $3 billion will it change your life?[/QUOTE]
I guess I was using a roundabout way of sarcastically saying “Okay, and...?” in response to your pot.
It’s not gonna change anyone’s life except the people making money off of it. But it is a fun and curious thing to discuss.
[QUOTE=Killerbee911;4341541]Honestly if you didn't watch Avatar in 3D you have never seen Avatar. And it makes sense why you don't get its popularity[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with anything? I don't think anyone denying that the paint job is good. The "problem" is that the car itself isn't that well made and no amount of paint can fix that.
[QUOTE=Colossus1980;4341704]I wonder how the Avatar sequels will perform. It was definitely a visual eye opener when it came out. What can James Cameron bring to the table for 4 sequels? The global markets might bring Endgame back to number 2 or 3 if they come out in droves for Avatar 2.[/QUOTE]
Given how the original movie kinda proved to be a flash in the pan, I think that it'll need a good marketing campaign to make the case why we should see these movies. Cameron's name could sell it, too, I think.
[QUOTE=Midvillian1322;4342629]Of course not but what is the point in coming into a thread about the movie making 3billion and asking that?[/QUOTE]
:confused:Because it’s a thread about a possible $3 billion box office result:confused:
[QUOTE=useridgoeshere;4342699]If one only posts on things that will significantly changes their life there's be hardly any posts anywhere. Box office performance is simply interesting to some people as this thread proves. And milestones, records and 'most' is very interesting, whether it's who eats the most hot dogs or what movie grossed the most money.
However, I do think that the box office success of the MCU could impact people positively. Oprah said, "I've interviewed over 30,000 people on this show and they all had one thing in common. They all wanted validation. Every person you ever will meet shares that one common desire. They all want to know, 'do you see me? Do you hear me? Does what I say mean anything to you?'" For a group of people who might not always feel validated in their love of comics and these characters, the fact that millions of people around the globe now share their love could be validating.[/QUOTE]
Great answer, thank you
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;4342812]I guess I was using a roundabout way of sarcastically saying “Okay, and...?” in response to your pot.
It’s not gonna change anyone’s life except the people making money off of it. But it is a fun and curious thing to discuss.[/QUOTE]
Don’t get offended over nothing, I’m just asking a question:p
[QUOTE=luprki;4342851]Don’t get offended over nothing, I’m just asking a question:p[/QUOTE]
You didn’t ask a question. At least, not in the post I originally quoted from you.
Back on topic, the actuals are in for the weekend, and while Endgame still fell short of Force Awakens 2nd weekend record it was closer than initial estimates. Bringing in $147, 383, 211
[url]https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/[/url]