[QUOTE=Starleafgirl;949699]I still haven't gotten over Synch's death. Or the travesty that is Chuck Austen's X-Men run. ;P[/QUOTE]
For me, Austen's run is mostly forgotten until someone else brings it up again.
So...damn you.
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[QUOTE=Starleafgirl;949699]I still haven't gotten over Synch's death. Or the travesty that is Chuck Austen's X-Men run. ;P[/QUOTE]
For me, Austen's run is mostly forgotten until someone else brings it up again.
So...damn you.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;949698]*looks at bolded*
*looks at thread title*
*looks at posts in thread*
OK then.[/QUOTE]
Ok - I'll give you that one. Maybe not all wounds.;)
Although people do seem more positive about the 80s now, like it was some kind of golden age for the X-Men. It's a weird one.
[QUOTE=somacula;949701]well, at least thanks to him mutants can't get AIDS[/QUOTE]
Bwhaha. XD
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;949703]For me, Austen's run is mostly forgotten until someone else brings it up again.
So...damn you.[/QUOTE]
Ahaha, I know, so evil. D:
I can't help bringing it up every once in a while, reading it gave me the closest thing to comic-book-related post traumatic stress disorder as there is ever likely to exist. :x
And that's to say nothing of his opinion of Nightcrawler's anatomy...
[QUOTE=Starleafgirl;949738]Bwhaha. XD
Ahaha, I know, so evil. D:
I can't help bringing it up every once in a while, reading it gave me the[B] closest thing to comic-book-related post traumatic stress disorder as there is ever likely to exist. :x[/B]
And that's to say nothing of his opinion of Nightcrawler's anatomy...[/QUOTE]
Lol...wait that's really sad...
Was there anything good that came from that man's run? There has to be something right? How can one writer do so much wrong?!
(If anyone answers Nurse Annie...I'm coming after you with the snappy stick...and you won't like Mr Snappy)
[QUOTE=Starleafgirl;949738]Ahaha, I know, so evil. D:
I can't help bringing it up every once in a while, reading it gave me the closest thing to comic-book-related post traumatic stress disorder as there is ever likely to exist. :x
And that's to say nothing of his opinion of Nightcrawler's anatomy...[/QUOTE]
Austen's run was a lesson in masochism and the epitome of "wasting your money".
[QUOTE=Beezzi;949750]Lol...wait that's really sad...
Was there anything good that came from that man's run? There has to be something right? How can one writer do so much wrong?!
(If anyone answers Nurse Annie...I'm coming after you with the snappy stick...and you won't like Mr Snappy)[/QUOTE]
I honestly can't think of anything.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;949756]Austen's run was a lesson in masochism and the epitome of "wasting your money".[/QUOTE]
Heh, so true. ;D
[QUOTE=Beezzi;949750]Lol...wait that's really sad...
Was there anything good that came from that man's run? There has to be something right? How can one writer do so much wrong?!
(If anyone answers Nurse Annie...I'm coming after you with the snappy stick...and you won't like Mr Snappy)[/QUOTE]
Austen was on at the same time as Morrison and so was somewhat competing with him. Maybe he was trying to go the radical Morrison route. Maybe that was what editorial were calling for after looking at New X-men. Regardless, he wasn't Morrison and it showed. Which also goes to show that the powers that be can have the best intentions and things can still come out awful.
Anyway, if The number of X-men comics were reduced in number that could only be a good thing. If they weren't so focused on by editorial a writer could take more chances just as Claremont did when X-men was either on the verge of or had actually been cancelled and restarted.
I don't believe that Marvel are trying to destroy the X-men or anything like that, but let's say for the sake of argument that they are. I would not have any problem with that. It would be good to have X-men on the fringes of the MU with only a cult following IMO. But again, I don't expect that to happen. While ever Marvel can sell lots of X-men books they will. And most at any given time will be dull and uninteresting to me just as they always have. I'm enthusiastic about the X-men, I think they are great characters with a great history and I have a good collection, but it's been a long time since I'll pick up any old crap with an X on it.
[QUOTE=mikef;949938]Austen was on at the same time as Morrison and so was somewhat competing with him. Maybe he was trying to go the radical Morrison route. Maybe that was what editorial were calling for after looking at New X-men. Regardless, he wasn't Morrison and it showed. Which also goes to show that the powers that be can have the best intentions and things can still come out awful.
Anyway, if The number of X-men comics were reduced in number that could only be a good thing. If they weren't so focused on by editorial a writer could take more chances just as Claremont did when X-men was either on the verge of or had actually been cancelled and restarted.
I don't believe that Marvel are trying to destroy the X-men or anything like that, but let's say for the sake of argument that they are. I would not have any problem with that. It would be good to have X-men on the fringes of the MU with only a cult following IMO. But again, I don't expect that to happen. While ever Marvel can sell lots of X-men books they will. And most at any given time will be dull and uninteresting to me just as they always have. I'm enthusiastic about the X-men, I think they are great characters with a great history and I have a good collection, but it's been a long time since I'll pick up any old crap with an X on it.[/QUOTE]
I know my comic book history.
Best intentions? The man couldn't even respect his art enough to spell the name of a guy, he'd just killed off, correctly on his gravestone. Also, instead of treating that death with some respect, he had Angelo's love interest discuss how they'd never had the opportunity to get "naked together" over Angelo's open grave...so touching...
He created a female character (whom he's supposedly has since admitted was an idealised version of his RL wife), who hated mutants, but it's ok, because she "has her reasons". The rest of the female X-Men got treated like mindless props only looking to get laid.
He wrote some of the oddest, most uncomfortable scenes in comic book history, like Paige doing Warren in front of her mom just for a laugh. Unfortunately, some X-Men never fully recovered from the character assassination they suffered at the hands of Chuck.
He used and twisted Kurt, a much beloved X-Man, solely so that he could settle some personal beef he had with the catholic church. (I'm atheist and I found it off putting).
I could go on, but I might be here all night - and this guy already did it for me: [URL="https://comicdomwrecks.wordpress.com/special-features/chuck-austens-x-men/"]CHUCK AUSTEN’S X-MEN[/URL]
Best intentions? Sorry, that doesn't fly. That man treated the X-Men like his own personal army. He had no respect for the history or the craft and had little interest above his own selfish goals.
I'm sorry everyone, I know it derails the thread, but I refuse to let Austen off the hook that easily. He's not a stupid man - he's actually pretty bright. What he did during his X-run was intentional and inexcusable.
[I]Edit:[/I] Actually, I take it back - Chuck Austen's run is one of the reasons we have a "complex" thread. Austen is what happens when editorial ignores the fans and their concerns.
(In all fairness to you Mike, you sound like a level headed guy. Just Chuck Austen is not a sympathetic figure around here.)
[QUOTE=Beezzi;949960]I'm sorry everyone, I know it derails the thread, but I refuse to let Austen off the hook that easily. His not a stupid man - he's actually pretty bright. What he did during his run on the X-Men was intentional and inexcusable.[/QUOTE]Don't apologize. We must never forget nor forgive that dark period in X-history. I blame the editors, the same ones who let Morrison's more ridiculous [Scott/Emma] or completely absurd [drugged out Magneto, killing Jean, Here Comes Tomorrow, the grave kiss] ideas make it to the page.
[QUOTE=Beezzi;949750]Was there anything good that came from that man's run? There has to be something right? How can one writer do so much wrong?![/QUOTE]
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Good grief the endurance! It was surreal. When you thought it couldn't get any worse, it did just that. Hard to believe i bought the entire run. Times were different then. Today i would have dropped it after the second story arc (and only because it was Uncanny and perhaps the first story was a fluke). The funny thing is, his run wasn't even published in the worst period of X-Men comics. For me, that was a couple of years pre-Morrison, when the titles were pretty weak across the board. But his run? It wasn't just weak. It was vomit-inducing garbage.
That's yet another reason why i disliked Aaron's work on the X-men ( i suspect he was a fan). He regurgitated elements from Austen's run in order to bring Nightcrawler back to the living, effectively sabotaging my selective memory wipe of Austen's entire run and forcing me to acknowledge its existence. I do like the bamfs addition to the character, but why Aaron? Why did you have to make us swallow from that cesspool? I'm sure you could come up with something else. In my opinion, that was a final 'the finger' to X-readers. And does anyone remembers Husk as one of the then most promising new x-characters? Before Austen i mean? Aaron's treatment of her gave me chills of deja vu. Hadn't her character suffered enough? Really? No character deserves that much punishment.
[QUOTE=Beezzi;949750]
Was there anything good that came from that man's run? There has to be something right? How can one writer do so much wrong?!
[/QUOTE]
Well he woke up Havok. We got a good Starjammer storyarc out of that before Havok did all that other stuff.
[QUOTE=Fifolet;950730]Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Good grief the endurance! It was surreal. When you thought it couldn't get any worse, it did just that. Hard to believe i bought the entire run. Times were different then. Today i would have dropped it after the second story arc (and only because it was Uncanny and perhaps the first story was a fluke). The funny thing is, his run wasn't even published in the worst period of X-Men comics. For me, that was a couple of years pre-Morrison, when the titles were pretty weak across the board. But his run? It wasn't just weak. It was vomit-inducing garbage.
That's yet another reason why i disliked Aaron's work on the X-men ( i suspect he was a fan). He regurgitated elements from Austen's run in order to bring Nightcrawler back to the living, effectively sabotaging my selective memory wipe of Austen's entire run and forcing me to acknowledge its existence. I do like the bamfs addition to the character, but why Aaron? Why did you have to make us swallow from that cesspool? I'm sure you could come up with something else. In my opinion, that was a final 'the finger' to X-readers. And does anyone remembers Husk as one of the then most promising new x-characters? Before Austen i mean? Aaron's treatment of her gave me chills of deja vu. Hadn't her character suffered enough? Really? No character deserves that much punishment.[/QUOTE]
God, I miss Husk. She never recovered from what Austen did to her...and then Aaron...poor thing. That girl needs a hug.
[QUOTE=DurararaFTW;950741]Well he woke up Havok. We got a good Starjammer storyarc out of that before Havok did all that other stuff.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and then that lead to "Call me Alex"....Havok also needs a hug.
[QUOTE=Beezzi;950752]God, I miss Husk. She never recovered from what Austen did to her...and then Aaron...poor thing. That girl needs a hug.
Yeah and then that lead to "Call me Alex"....Havok also needs a hug.[/QUOTE]
Hah! Yeah... XD
He's now running around horribly disfigured half-face and evil/crazy.
...Which I gotta say, sounds a little familiar.
[img]http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111115344/3058980-2855408-2684586_husk_1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://whatchareading.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/uncanny-havok-two-face.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Fifolet;950730]That's yet another reason why i disliked Aaron's work on the X-men ( i suspect he was a fan). He regurgitated elements from Austen's run in order to bring Nightcrawler back to the living, effectively sabotaging my selective memory wipe of Austen's entire run and forcing me to acknowledge its existence. I do like the bamfs addition to the character, but why Aaron? Why did you have to make us swallow from that cesspool? I'm sure you could come up with something else. In my opinion, that was a final 'the finger' to X-readers. And does anyone remembers Husk as one of the then most promising new x-characters? Before Austen i mean? Aaron's treatment of her gave me chills of deja vu. Hadn't her character suffered enough? Really? No character deserves that much punishment.[/QUOTE]
Indeed! Hasn't her character suffered enough?!
Lol. Sigh. D:
I can't believe I ever looked forward to Jason Aaron's take on the X-Men, when Chamber and Husk were going to be members of the school staff.
The worst part was that we got the fantastic "Age of X" Husk and Chamber ("Stare into the face of $%&# you."), only to then have them mocked in Jason Aaron's WATXM (Husk appeared more often, but whenever Chamber did appear, it was to be the butt of a joke). Christos Gage used them respectably in X-Men: Legacy but then that got axed, so he had to refocus on Rogue in the final issues. At least they guest-starred in Nightcrawler super-briefly more recently.
But anyway, Generation X rant aside...
Magneto Interview:
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=59398[/url]
Magneto's building a new Genosha. And he's looking to make himself even more powerful than he was in his heyday. To save mutantkind.
May 2015 solits:
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=59364[/url]
• Scott Summers – savior or destroyer? Questions will be answered!
• The Jean Grey School, the New Xavier School – it’s all going to change.
• The X-Men are at a crossroads. And not everyone will make it through in one piece.
Wonder if UNCANNY X-MEN #600 will see all mutants united in Magneto's new paradise, which is then saved from destruction via some magnetic field powers feat by him and Polaris...?
That would be a nice bit of Anti-Complex news... Although... "not everyone will make it through in one piece" so... ;P
Honestly, I don't know at this point if [i]any[/i] Earth-616 mutants are going to survive this upheaval.
Most of what we've seen so far are alternate takes on characters from alternate universes that now inhabit the same space called Battleworld.
I guess we'll see.
It's just the waiting that's the worst. ;P
It seems the lack of X-Books in the May 2015 solits didn't go unnoticed by CBR, who asked Axel about it (indirectly) in this week's Axel-In-Charge.
His actual answer isn't very Complex-y, but the resulting interpretation that people's changing tastes mean less X-Men -- instead of, say, it being a subpar writer on the flagship titles' fault -- [i]is[/i].
Here's a poll, for those who like to vote on things:
[url=http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?33280-Are-People-Tired-of-the-X-Men-(Axel-In-Charge-Spoilers)]ARE PEOPLE TIRED OF THE X-MEN?[/url]
And just to head off a bit of counter-argument:
The actual article includes the fact that Avengers & New Avengers are also absent from May 2015 solits, however [i]those[/i] titles reached their natural conclusion as the launching pad for "Secret Wars," a mission they've had since Jonathan Hickman began them back in 2012.
Additionally: We already know that there will be an Avengers title post-Secret Wars, namely "All New All Different Avengers" (which will even get a preview issue to promote it on Free Comic Book Day) -- where's the equivalent announcement for the X-Men, I wonder?
Nowhere, that's where. At this point, we have no indication whatsoever that the X-Men will be around post-Secret Wars. However, it's all still months away, so we'll see.
IGN just wrote an article comenting on the lack of X-Men
[URL="http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/21/between-the-panels-how-the-x-men-can-get-their-mojo-back"]Between the Panels: How the X-Men Can Get Their Mojo Back[/URL]
I think they hit a major nail on the head: The X-Men as a franchise lack direction. They need to refocus in the Sep relaunch