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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4451849]Sure they are using the events of this run, but it is really talking about past runs.[/QUOTE]
Except he didn't give any orders this run that led to deaths. The team voted on their decisions, so the argument doesn't make any sense given how he interacted with them. In fact, he didn't even vote on Emma's plan, so it seems really odd.
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4451849]Sure they are using the events of this run, but it is really talking about past runs.[/QUOTE]
That makes zero sense either in the context of the story or outside of it. Unless Dani wants to spend sixteen panels explaining why Scott = Hitler. You can't spend issues bashing him for the evil he did when the audience still has no idea what evil he did.
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[QUOTE=TheDeadSpace;4451858]Except he didn't give any orders this run that led to deaths. The team voted on their decisions, so the argument doesn't make any sense given how he interacted with them. In fact, he didn't even vote on Emma's plan, so it seems really odd.[/QUOTE]
Dani was angry that Scott lost Juggernaut, Magik and Banshee in the previous issue, even when he was not really the leader of that team and it was not his fault either.
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4451849]Sure they are using the events of this run, but it is really talking about past runs.[/QUOTE]
That would be assuming. when dani literally mentions everyone who just died. I don't think this about the last decade. It comes off as being about whats going on now.
Either way the speech was dumb asf.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4451838]Scott told them it would be a dangerous mission in which people could die, Dani thought he was lying and that he was leading them to a safe place and he would save them all, Scott was serious.
[IMG]http://oi63.tinypic.com/2ziv6lx.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
This is the best one. Dani wasn’t ready for it apparently, and Scottie wasn’t joking.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4451820]Uh, I didn't get Dani's Point here.
Can anyone enlighten me???[/QUOTE]
Because they are the only ones left, Scott only cared about the pretty mutants who can't pass for human, and Scott didn't protect the ones with visible mutations enough and that's why they're dead
Because the trans panic metaphor wasn't bad enough
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[QUOTE=Beetle;4451887]Because they are the only ones left, Scott only cared about the pretty mutants who can't pass for human, and Scott didn't protect the ones with visible mutations enough and that's why they're dead[/QUOTE]
Heh? I'm more confused than before.
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[QUOTE=KangMiRae;4451879]This is the best one. Dani wasn’t ready for it apparently, and Scottie wasn’t joking.[/QUOTE]
Scott should have them sign an informed consent, like a hospital.
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[QUOTE=Beetle;4451887]Because they are the only ones left, Scott only cared about the pretty mutants who can't pass for human, and Scott didn't protect the ones with visible mutations enough and that's why they're dead
Because the trans panic metaphor wasn't bad enough[/QUOTE]
Wasn't he dead when those mutants died?
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[QUOTE=Beetle;4451887]Because they are the only ones left, Scott only cared about the pretty mutants who can't pass for human, and Scott didn't protect the ones with visible mutations enough and that's why they're dead
Because the trans panic metaphor wasn't bad enough[/QUOTE]
The worst thing is that apart from Banshee and Chamber that is not even true. Rahne, Sunspot and Magik seem completely normal when they do not use their powers. Hell, the three probably look like supermodels.
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4451892]Wasn't he dead when those mutants died?[/QUOTE]
Still his fault, lol.
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[QUOTE=Beetle;4451887]Because they are the only ones left, Scott only cared about the pretty mutants who can't pass for human, and Scott didn't protect the ones with visible mutations enough and that's why they're dead
Because the trans panic metaphor wasn't bad enough[/QUOTE]
You mean the mutants who died while Scott was dead, the mutants who died while he was looking for the X-Men, or the mutants who died while he was after Dark Beast and Sinister?
Also, if there are any Morlocks alive, it's because Scott gave them a safe haven.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4451896]The worst thing is that apart from Banshee and Chamber that is not even true. Rahne, Sunspot and Magik seem completely normal when they do not use their powers. Hell, the three probably look like supermodels.[/QUOTE]
I know I was joking earlier, but the more it’s explained the more it genuinely seems like Dani’s upset Scott has a chance at a happy ending with Emma, only based on her assumptions which Scott took offense to, and won’t be taking Dani to poundtown.
It’s just so out of place when they all made the decision and he didn’t.
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I didn't want anything romantic between Dani and Scott. He can have female friends, not everything is about romance.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4451908]I didn't want anything romantic between Dani and Scott. He can have female friends, not everything is about romance.[/QUOTE]
He can not have either because everybody hates him because he is a terrible person, it seems to be.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4451908]I didn't want anything romantic between Dani and Scott. He can have female friends, not everything is about romance.[/QUOTE]
It’s still extremely offensive to assume Scott cares about no one else. How fucked.
He put the entire race on his back and carried them to safety by walking through glass and sitting in fire.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4451795]I do not remember Scott giving any orders in all this run that was responsible for the death of anyone. Like, Kurt in Second Coming? Yes, his call. Here? No one.
Strong Guy sacrificed himself. Banshee was killed in an ambush. Chamber was executing prisoners of war. Rahne made her decision. Sunspot was an idiot. Magik and Juggernaut were lost in a mission for which Dani voted in favor.[/QUOTE]
And no one asked Juggernaut to run up to a potential threat and intentionally aggravate her.
[QUOTE] "Scott, when you said this was probably a suicide mission, we thought you were kidding."[/QUOTE]
Cyclops: We probably won’t survive. This is the last X-Men story.
Rest of the X-Men: *waiting on that “sike”*
[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4451748]You got the gist of it. Rosenberg thinks if he launches a meta-comment, he can be excused of doing anything.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PrezValentine;4451751]It's like Thanos with the "I used the stones to destroy the stones".[/QUOTE]
At first I thought this run would be super controversial after it ended, but I think after HOXPOX, it’ll just be a speck in the sand or whatever analogy fits. It tries to have a message but succumbs to said message by being the thing it complains about.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4451908]I didn't want anything romantic between Dani and Scott. He can have female friends, not everything is about romance.[/QUOTE]
You're out of luck on all fronts, boo. Apparently if the X-Men don't hate him, aren't disgusted by him or want to use him for personal validation like Alex, he doesn't mean anything.
Scott needs to leave these people.
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[QUOTE=PrezValentine;4451928]You're out of luck on all fronts, boo. Apparently if the X-Men don't hate him, aren't disgusted by him or want to use him for personal validation like Alex, he doesn't mean anything.
Scott needs to leave these people.[/QUOTE]
The X-Men are toxic and Scott should cut them out. Where the hell has Marvel taken the X-Men?
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4451848]"Scott, you lost a son (many times), a daughter, a wife (3 times the same one), a father figure, essentially all your friends, has been killed, had one of the worst psychopaths of all time in your head for months, was a guinea pig for Sinister when you were a kid, went mentally insane when you got the Phoenix against your will, has been hunted down by your government and rejected by your friends...but you have a chance to do it with Emma now, so your life is easy".[/QUOTE]
Last time jean died, on the same day he was sleeping with Emma. So Dani is right to think he doesn't care that much about loss and just playing the victim
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[QUOTE=KangMiRae;4451931]The X-Men are toxic and Scott should cut them out. Where the hell has Marvel taken the X-Men?[/QUOTE]
To where some fans wanted, I suppose. Take this very thread, there are people who think Rosenberg is doing a good job because of how much they hate Scott LMAO
So, at least you can't say they aren't playing for a part of their audience. That's a good thing, I think.
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God, it seems that some X-men and fans want Scott to jump over a bridge or something to show his suffering.
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[QUOTE=PrezValentine;4451939]To where some fans wanted, I suppose. Take this very thread, there are people who think Rosenberg is doing a good job because of how much they hate Scott LMAO
So, at least you can't say they aren't playing for a part of their audience. That's a good thing, I think.[/QUOTE]
Oh c'mon bro, is just one person here. The exact same one, everyone else so far is neutral or pissed.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4451943]God, it seems that some X-men and fans want Scott to jump over a bridge or something to show his suffering.[/QUOTE]
when you dislike a character, sadly just a little sadness or even suffering isn't enough. lol
I am indifferent to Scott personally. But I can recognize wanting a bad comeuppance for a character who has earned your annoyance / hatred.
Like some villains. They get their comeuppance, but sometimes it's disappointing because it wasn't gruesome enough. lol
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[QUOTE=KangMiRae;4451931]The X-Men are toxic and Scott should cut them out. Where the hell has Marvel taken the X-Men?[/QUOTE]
Like I said in another thread, Jason Aaron is the most damaging writer in the history of the X-men. It's because of him- and an editor that worked with him in Schism- Marvel jumped on this Cyclops was wrong narrative, and can't just let go. Even being forced to kill Wolverine due to the damage that was done to the character wasn't enough.
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[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4451862]That makes zero sense either in the context of the story or outside of it. Unless Dani wants to spend sixteen panels explaining why Scott = Hitler. You can't spend issues bashing him for the evil he did when the audience still has no idea what evil he did.[/QUOTE]
She isn't saying Scott is hittler, just that she feels like he treats everyone like a soldier.
It's a weird choice, like seems like it is missing something here.
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[QUOTE=Silver Fang;4451949]when you dislike a character, sadly just a little sadness or even suffering isn't enough. lol
I am indifferent to Scott personally. But I can recognize wanting a bad comeuppance for a character who has earned your annoyance / hatred.
Like some villains. They get their comeuppance, but sometimes it's disappointing because it wasn't gruesome enough. lol[/QUOTE]
His ***** granddaughter shot him in the eye.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4451959]His ***** granddaughter shot him in the eye.[/QUOTE]
And Rosenberg still wrote it like she was right.
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Scottie, go back to the Champions. They respected you better, lol.
What adult team could he be with, honestly. His leadership would excel any team.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4451959]His ***** granddaughter shot him in the eye.[/QUOTE]
Sadly for some, that isn't enough. Trust me. I have no ill will on Scott. The worst I wish on him is that he want Jean back & she turns him down.
But with some, the hate / annoyance for certain characters is strong, even something like the above still isn't enough.
I wish much worse on characters I dislike. lol I just know I won't get it. So I try as best I can to avoid them...if possible.
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4451954]She isn't saying Scott is hittler, just that she feels like he treats everyone like a soldier.
It's a weird choice, like seems like it is missing something here.[/QUOTE]
But that's the thing. She's bringing up evil stuff from the past (In your opinion), but we have no idea what that evil was.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4451961]And Rosenberg still wrote it like she was right.[/QUOTE]
He tortured her while training. He taught her well :p
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4451985]He tortured her while training. He taught her well :p[/QUOTE]
Nah, she got it all from her childhood with Bishop
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4451985]He tortured her while training. He taught her well :p[/QUOTE]
If what Scott did is "torture", than Xavier should be put to death for his "training" room of death traps, flamethrowers, acid pits, and whirring saw blades. As well as any teacher that ever used the Danger Room, so Bobby, Jean, Hank, and Emma.
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[QUOTE=fsger;4451990]Nah, she got it all from her childhood with Bishop[/QUOTE]
can't say Bishop didn't made a good service...but he would be sad that he became a killer
[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4451981]But that's the thing. She's bringing up evil stuff from the past (In your opinion), but we have no idea what that evil was.[/QUOTE]
It was the era that Scott treated his peers as expendable. He took the mutant survival over the wellbeing of his friends
But yes, Dani needs to say what it was
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4452000]can't say Bishop didn't made a good service...but he would be sad that he became a killer
It was the era that Scott treated his peers as expendable. He took the mutant survival over the wellbeing of his friends
But yes, Dani needs to say what it was[/QUOTE]
Except that never happened under any writer who wasn't Jason Aaron.
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Scott is stoic and keeps his feelings to himself. If the rest of the X-men have not realized that after all these years, they are the ones who do not have emotional intelligence.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4452042]Scott is stoic and keeps his feelings to himself. If the rest of the X-men have not realized that after all these years, they are the ones who do not have emotional intelligence.[/QUOTE]
It’s why telepaths love him. They can read his thoughts. :p
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And anyway, the alternative was always for Hope to die. Beast for example, he seemed annoyed that Scott saved a 15-year-old girl because Kurt died. I mean, what the hell? The right thing was not risking their lives to save a teenager?
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[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4452006]Except that never happened under any writer who wasn't Jason Aaron.[/QUOTE]
It still is continuity