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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453764]Yeah, but it wasn't Hickman's decision.[/QUOTE]
Not my point. My point is that Marvel says we're supposed to get something big and exciting that will drastically change the X-Men. They said the same for the F4... so for all we know, the X-Men could end up in limbo after this.
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[QUOTE=ButterRum;4453790]Not my point. My point is that Marvel says we're supposed to get something big and exciting that will drastically change the X-Men. They said the same for the F4... so for all we know, the X-Men could end up in limbo after this.[/QUOTE]
Well big part of Morrison run was ignored
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4453794]Well big part of Morrison run was ignored[/QUOTE]
95% of all X-Men runs get ignored. What's your point?
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[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453800]95% of all X-Men runs get ignored. What's your point?[/QUOTE]
The point is that they promise big changes just for the changes be ignored later.
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[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453800]95% of all X-Men runs get ignored. What's your point?[/QUOTE]
No they aren't...
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[QUOTE=ButterRum;4453790]Not my point. My point is that Marvel says we're supposed to get something big and exciting that will drastically change the X-Men. They said the same for the F4... so for all we know, the X-Men could end up in limbo after this.[/QUOTE]
Very different scenario, plus I don't remember any promises that SW would get something big and exciting changes for the F4.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4453528]At the end of the day the X-men are his family. I'm sure he will get some hugs at least.[/QUOTE]
Not anymore, at least not in the last decade. If anything, Scott is more alone than ever. I think most people on his shoes would probably just pull the trigger, everything considered. I'll actually be surprised if he doesn't entertain the idea in this issue, since Rosenberg already writes him as pretty depressive and the X-Men just push him further.
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[QUOTE=Tycon;4453762]duuuuuuuuude, every x-men story is like, about Cyclops and Logan, dude. Like, dude,’every writer always centers everything around Cyclops and Logan and Jean while everyone else is cannon fodder. DUDE, what if we did that in THIS story. But, plot twist, dude dude, we comment on it to an almost teeth-gnashing degree throughout the story so people can tell we’re different but not. That’s gonna blow some effin minds![/QUOTE]
As I said, there is beter metacommentary on things like Epic Movie than in this.
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[QUOTE=Shreene;4453804]No they aren't...[/QUOTE]
Give or take 3 or 4 percent? Yeah. The majority of X-plots maintain one or two bullet points to move from writer to writer, but that's about it.
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[QUOTE=PrezValentine;4453814]Not anymore, at least not in the last decade. If anything, Scott is more alone than ever. I think most people on his shoes would probably just pull the trigger, everything considered. I'll actually be surprised if he doesn't entertain the idea in this issue, since Rosenberg already writes him as pretty depressive and the X-Men just push him further.[/QUOTE]
And the worst part is that we know both Rosenberg and JDW agree with pretty much all the complaints and negative views about Scott and the characters are essentially mouthpieces of them (even if they continue to not provide specific examples), so are we supposed to think, maybe, Scott...should be depressed? I'm not saying of course they're advocating depression or suicide, of course, but remember they thought Rahne's death was a poignant trans metaphor, so...
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You know youre in the twilight zone when the blob is portrayed as a sensitive fat guy who only wants to be loved and Scott is portrayed as an incompetent commander who sees his mutant family as cannon fodder.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453934]And the worst part is that we know both Rosenberg and JDW agree with pretty much all the complaints and negative views about Scott and the characters are essentially mouthpieces of them (even if they continue to not provide specific examples), so are we supposed to think, maybe, Scott...should be depressed? I'm not saying of course they're advocating depression or suicide, of course, but remember they thought Rahne's death was a poignant trans metaphor, so...[/QUOTE]
The worst part to me is what would happen if Scott really did off himself. The X-characters would have another mournful sad funeral and pay respects and pretend to care about him when they were the reason he killed himself. And it would be treated like some tragedy when it was only happening because editorial wants Scott to suffer endlessly for daring to be popular when they didn't want him to be.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453934]And the worst part is that we know both Rosenberg and JDW agree with pretty much all the complaints and negative views about Scott and the characters are essentially mouthpieces of them (even if they continue to not provide specific examples), so are we supposed to think, maybe, Scott...should be depressed? I'm not saying of course they're advocating depression or suicide, of course, but remember they thought Rahne's death was a poignant trans metaphor, so...[/QUOTE]
They really should cut with Cyclops villanization, it is stupid when there are worse people playing hero, like Bishop
They make Scott feel guilty and put the X-men to bash him, it would be fun to see Bishop on the same situation, you know someone who actually did something bad but he is left scott free, while everybody gives crap to Cyclops.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4452082]Yes, and the alternatives were
A) Hope, a teenager, dies
B) Pixie, a teenager, dies.
Aaron's conclusion: Scott likes to put teens in danger.[/QUOTE]
Whats really sad is what Xavier put the original teens through to train them. The man makes anyone outside of psychopath Batman look like Mother Theresa.
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4453941]You know youre in the twilight zone when the blob is portrayed as a sensitive fat guy who only wants to be loved and Scott is portrayed as an incompetent commander who sees his mutant family as cannon fodder.[/QUOTE]
JDW to us: "Look at my works, ye mighty, and despair!".
[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453942]The worst part to me is what would happen if Scott really did off himself. The X-characters would have another mournful sad funeral and pay respects and pretend to care about him when they were the reason he killed himself. And it would be treated like some tragedy when it was only happening because editorial wants Scott to suffer endlessly for daring to be popular when they didn't want him to be.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Again, we live in an age where the X-books are telling us that Blob is supposed to be a nice guy that just wants to be loved and the only reason he isn't is because of prejudice because he's fat, but Cyclops is incompetent and sees his family and fellow X-men as canon fodder (meaning, we should probably like the Blob more than Cyclops?), and editorial seems to think not only that's cool, but, after more than a year hearing that Cyclops was the mutant Hitler, killed off-panel and rejected by all his friends, and two more of him just dead, what the fans wanted and needed right after his return is stories about how wrong he was and how much he sucks, and if Hickman wasn't coming, we probably would have gotten even more of those (probably a few years of Jean rejecting him for #feminism while he pines for her would have been included, perhaps while she bangs Logan in the meantime). And then JDW comes here and some posters, including people I like, suck up to him...
Hell, Paniccia seemingly wanted to have the X-men in a safe bubble of nostalgia, but at least he probably would just gotten us boyscout Scott and ignored everything since Morrison; I would actually prefer that over this non-sense.
[QUOTE=fsger;4453952]They really should cut with Cyclops villanization, it is stupid when there are worse people playing hero, like Bishop
They make Scott feel guilty and put the X-men to bash him, it would be fun to see Bishop on the same situation, you know someone who actually did something bad but he is left scott free, while everybody gives crap to Cyclops.[/QUOTE]
Or Logan, whom Marvel actually had to kill because of the terrible characterization in the Schism era; at least, in arcs leading up to his death, he admitted to being an hypocrite, but I doubt Aaron and a good part of current editorial sees anything wrong with his behavior. It was Scott who was WROOOOONG.
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We do, in fact, live in an age.
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4453966]Whats really sad is what Xavier put the original teens through to train them. The man makes anyone outside of psychopath Batman look like Mother Theresa.[/QUOTE]
I really don't think Aaron saw the irony of naming a school destined to keep students safe from fighting villains named after Jean Grey,[B] who literally faced Magneto in her first day at the school![/B]
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453977]I really don't think Aaron saw the irony of naming a school destined to keep students safe from fighting villains named after Jean Grey,[B] who literally faced Magneto in her first day at the school![/B][/QUOTE]
To be fair, the name was chosen just to get on Scott's nerves. Then again, that probably wasn't a wise choice either.
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[QUOTE=Tycon;4453730]People are making a bunch of Twitter threads on how innovative Rosenberg’s run but he’s doing the exact same thing he’s critiquing.....not even trying to do anything to subvert that aside from just addressing it. It’s.....sad how low of a bar some people have for genre deconstruction.[/QUOTE]
In fairness, critiquing it may be all he has the power to do, depending on what the mandate is going in to HoX/PoX. But lampshading a problem has never been the sign of particularly good writing, no. It's not a wink at the audience, it's letting the audience know you're aware of the issue and nothing's being done to actually fix it. But one more issue, so let's see what the dude can pull out of his hat, I guess.
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[QUOTE=TheDeadSpace;4453982]To be fair, the name was chosen just to get on Scott's nerves. Then again, that probably wasn't a wise choice either.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Logan named it that as a tribute to Jean second and a personalized **** you to Scott first.
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[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453990]Yeah, Logan named it that as a tribute to Jean second and a personalized **** you to Scott first.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Sinister probably thought it was funny.
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[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453990]Yeah, Logan named it that as a tribute to Jean second and a personalized **** you to Scott first.[/QUOTE]
Who wouldn't want that guy teaching your children?
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[QUOTE=TheDeadSpace;4453982]To be fair, the name was chosen just to get on Scott's nerves. Then again, that probably wasn't a wise choice either.[/QUOTE]
That was a good troll move from Logan
[QUOTE=fsger;4453952]They really should cut with Cyclops villanization, it is stupid when there are worse people playing hero, like Bishop
They make Scott feel guilty and put the X-men to bash him, it would be fun to see Bishop on the same situation, you know someone who actually did something bad but he is left scott free, while everybody gives crap to Cyclops.[/QUOTE]
Except all the time that characters bring it?
At least Bishop doesn't let kids kill
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Ya, cause he kills um....
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454006]
At least Bishop doesn't let kids kill[/QUOTE]
You are kidding right?
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454006]
Except all the time that characters bring it?
At least Bishop doesn't let kids kill[/QUOTE]
Lol, no. Marvel literally mindwiped everybody to ignore Bishops crimes while they keep craping on Cyclops. Everybody involved on Bishop's mess will ignore it, I feel like Jean should bring that up but just wait to the Omega issue to see that she won't (neither will Xavier or Cable).
It's so freaking funny to victimize when Marvel is making blind eye to Bishop (or anybody that isn't Scott) while Cyclops "faults" and "need for redemption" have spawned years story spams years.
It is fun to see you defend Bishop and act like nothing happened yet at the same time attack Cyclops at every chance. Weird logic there.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4452182]There are hardly any X-Men with moral authority to recriminate anything between them. Except Kurt, maybe, but he is too nice[/QUOTE]
Except Kurt slept with Megan...who is married....last I heard. All I hear on twitter is how the Dissassembled stories matter...if that's the case then Kurt has committed adultery. So hope that adds some flavor to make you find him a little more interesting.
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In fact I bet Xavier will judge Cyclops for killing him while ignoring that Bishop did the same. Only oone of those guys needs redemption.
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4454043]Except Kurt slept with Megan...who is married....last I heard. All I hear on twitter is how the Dissassembled stories matter...if that's the case then Kurt has committed adultery. So hope that adds some flavor to make you find him a little more interesting.[/QUOTE]
He did?, i know that they sort of flirted in Excalibur when she and CB were having marital troubles in Excalibur, but never went beyond that. He did slept with her (or a construct of her?) in Age of X-Man, but that isn't really something to hold over him.
[QUOTE]You are kidding right?[/QUOTE]
Don't feed him people.
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[QUOTE=Gamall;4452338]So considering everything we know.. why did Blindfold commit suicide?..[/QUOTE]
1. Steal underpants
2.?
3.Profit.
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[QUOTE=TheCape;4454051]He did?, i know that they sort of flirted in Excalibur when she and CB were having marital troubles in Excalibur, but never went beyond that. He did slept with her (or a construct of her?) in Age of X-Man, but that isn't really something to hold over him.[/QUOTE]
Sorry...dissassembled matters and all characters will retain the knowledge of what they did.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4452589]A certain editor was always extremely critical of Scott and the militarization of the X-Men.[/QUOTE]
Maybe this is why JDW hated the storyline that Hickman presented to Marvel?
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[QUOTE=TheCape;4454051]
Don't feed him people.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm on a diet. Or trying to do it
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4454043]Except Kurt slept with Megan...who is married....last I heard. All I hear on twitter is how the Dissassembled stories matter...if that's the case then Kurt has committed adultery. So hope that adds some flavor to make you find him a little more interesting.[/QUOTE]
God, I hope that doesn't carry over. Too much trouble for a little story. Let her keep her family and marriage, is one of the only ones left on Marvel.
Kurt doesn't need a kid anyway, the x-men don't pay attention to them.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4454066]God, I hope that doesn't carry over. Too much trouble for a little story. Let her keep her family and marriage, is one of the only ones left on Marvel.
Kurt doesn't need a kid anyway, the x-men don't pay attention to them.[/QUOTE]
Meggan has a little kid, a divorce would be pretty bad
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[QUOTE=fsger;4454038]Lol, no. Marvel literally mindwiped everybody to ignore Bishops crimes while they keep craping on Cyclops. Everybody involved on Bishop's mess will ignore it, I feel like Jean should bring that up but just wait to the Omega issue to see that she won't (neither will Xavier or Cable).
It's so freaking funny to victimize when Marvel is making blind eye to Bishop (or anybody that isn't Scott) while Cyclops "faults" and "need for redemption" have spawned years story spams years.
It is fun to see you defend Bishop and act like nothing happened yet at the same time attack Cyclops at every chance. Weird logic there.[/QUOTE]
Bishop trying to kill Hope is being ignored tell that to the writers on exterminated and on Uncanny x-men.
writers on AOXM didn't brought Scott cheating on her, so it is fair not bring baby killers Bishop. But of course they will bring it up, so these two cant be together.
Scott is th epublic face of x-men, he deserves nore scrutinity than other members
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[QUOTE=Havok83;4453027]People give Dani some slack. She jwas imprisoned and infested with the TO virus for months only to be freed and almost immediately had to deal with ALL the valkyries being killed and then Roberto and Rahne, both of whom she was very close to. She's grieving and trying make sense of her life.[/QUOTE]
Of course if Scott hadnt formed the xmen Dani would still be infected.
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454077]Bishop trying to kill Hope is being ignored tell that to the writers on exterminated and on Uncanny x-men.
writers didn't brought Scott cheating on her, so it is fair not bring baby killers Bishop. But of course they will bring it up, so these two cant be together.
Scott is th epublic face of x-men, he deserves nore scrutinity than other members[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree there, I wish they ignored Scott and Jean's marital troubles but they don't in fact it is the only story we were allowed to remember about their relationship for the last 14 years.
They lasted long with many cool stories but the bad story is the only one that counts.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4454083]I have to disagree there, I wish they ignored Scott and Jean's marital troubles but they don't in fact it is the only story we were allowed to remember about their relationship for the last 14 years.
They lasted long with many cool stories but the bad story is the only one that counts.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking on the context of AOXM.
And now I'm thinking, that the affair was never brought back since Jean return. I guess it will be ignored
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4454080]Of course if Scott hadnt formed the xmen Dani would still be infected.[/QUOTE]
LOL, good point.