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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4454830]They could, but like I said, the vision of the franchise in the X-office in the last few years is so regressive and nostalgia-influenced that the idea that Scott does not immediately runs to Jean's arms and they form the best couple evah! does not compute.[/QUOTE]
Will they finally have a kid between just them that's A) Not from a clone B) Not from the future C) Not a clone from the future?
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Omega Alpha, rest asure, they aren't.
Jean is going to be with Bishop and Scott wil jump into another relationship very fast too.
I just don't get the need to be petty with the couple. Specially because as i said they haven't been a thing for more than a decade.
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[QUOTE=KangMiRae;4454843]I want Maddie back :([/QUOTE]
I like Maddie but sometimes I feel like the X-men would have been better without her.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4454841]Omega Alpha, rest asure, they aren't.
Jean is going to be with Bishop and Scott wil jump into another relationship very fast too.
I just don't get the need to be petty with the couple.[/QUOTE]
I strongly doubt Jean and Bishop's relationship is mentioned ever again after Omega (hell, it might not even get a mention there). It was an afterthought done at the last minute, and Hickman begun to write his story before AoXM, so he won't mention it, and I doubt anyone else will mention much from that event.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4454849]I strongly doubt Jean and Bishop's relationship is mentioned ever again after Omega (hell, it might not even get a mention there). It was an afterthought done at the last minute, and Hickman begun to write his story before AoXM, so he won't mention it, and I doubt anyone else will mention much from that event.[/QUOTE]
Bean was perfect. What a shame.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4454849]I strongly doubt Jean and Bishop's relationship is mentioned ever again after Omega (hell, it might not even get a mention there). It was an afterthought done at the last minute, and Hickman begun to write his story before AoXM, so he won't mention it, and I doubt anyone else will mention much from that event.[/QUOTE]
I'm neutral with it (nothing againts it i just ship other thing) but I think it will carry over, I just hope there is little drama and at least this time Jean and Scott are treated better than the last time. They can be with other people without the need of denigrating what they had with the other, that's kind of what i think morrison did wrong.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4454857]I'm neutral with it (nothing againts it i just ship other thing) but I think it will carry over, I just hope there is little drama and at least this time Jean and Scott are treated better than the last time. They can be with other people without the need of denigrating what they had with the other, that's kind of what i think morrison did wrong.[/QUOTE]
There is no reason to think it will be carried over.
But if they wanted little drama, having Jean with the man that tried to murder Hope and Cable for 15 years is hardly the best pairing. Hell, I don't see why the two of them or Scott would even want to talk to Jean again if that was the case. I certainly wouldn't in their place.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4454830]They could, but like I said, the vision of the franchise in the X-office in the last few years is so regressive and nostalgia-influenced that the idea that Scott does not immediately runs to Jean's arms and they form the best couple evah! does not compute.[/QUOTE]
Well they can always create some contrivance for it not happen.
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454866]Well they can always create some contrivance for it not happen.[/QUOTE]
Marvel is expert at it, you don't need to worry. They have done it for more than a decade.
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454866]Well they can always create some contrivance for it not happen.[/QUOTE]
A contrivance, you say, like, I don't know, Jean moving to another universe?
Mind you, Hickman's vision is not the same as the X-office in the last few years. Maybe he wants them together, maybe he doesn't.
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Because Cyclops being a good person to Jean who he owes a lot because the girl has loved him a lot and even adopted his kids as her own is bad.
He should be stuck on Morrison and being an ashole. I wonder if the people who think like this don't realize how bad wanted Cyclops to be like makes him look.
Dude owes more Jean than to any other person, basic decency and morals would dictate that he treats her like a princess.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4454896]A contrivance, you say, like, I don't know, Jean moving to another universe?
Mind you, Hickman's vision is not the same as the X-office in the last few years. Maybe he wants them together, maybe he doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Moving to another universe is a giant contrivance, but marvel could use other types. Jean start seeing someone else and Scott get cold with Jean. Or Jean sees Scott awith Emma and gets out
Marvel would never put these two without lots of drama
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Does Kwannon appears in that issue?
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[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454910]
Marvel would never put these two without lots of drama[/QUOTE]
The vision of Marvel in the last few years was bringing everything to the status quo as much as possible- the X-men were living in a mansion teaching literally the same kids that had already graduated, Kitty and Colossus got back together, so did Rogue and Gambit (there was even the wedding shenanigans, but that was an attempt to steal DC's thunder; ironically, the two intended marriages didn't happened) and they also wanted Scott as boyscout (and of course, WRONG about everything). Scott and Jean getting together, and quickly, would have been natural (look how fast Rogue and Gambit got together once she was out of the X-office, and they don't have 1/5 of Scott and Jean's history).
But, like I said, if Hickman wanted them together at the start of the story, even if there was some drama, we would have being seeing said drama now in Uncanny.
[QUOTE=fsger;4454898]Because Cyclops being a good person to Jean who he owes a lot because the girl has loved him a lot and even adopted his kids as her own is bad.[/QUOTE]
Heh...no one is saying the opposite.
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Can we please talk more about this issue? I feel that the shipping discussion always derails everything and not in the best way.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4454931]Can we please talk more about this issue? I feel that the shipping discussion always derails everything and not in the best way.[/QUOTE]
You're right. Hard to talk more without reading much, but this preview fills me with dread...
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4454934]You're right. Hard to talk more without reading much, but this preview fills me with dread...[/QUOTE]
What do you fear?
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4454935]What do you fear?[/QUOTE]
How it feels like people dogging on Scott despite the situation literally being not his fault this time?
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I am hoping that Banshee is still alive somehow. He needs a character arc, and to be restored.
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4454940]How it feels like people dogging on Scott despite the situation literally being not his fault this time?[/QUOTE]
Ironically JDW and Rosenberg built the greatest monument for Rightclops ever- if he was written as aggressive and as competent as he was around 2007-2012, probably most heroes that died in this run would have been alive. Also, he would have an extra eye.
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[QUOTE=bearman;4455367]I am hoping that Banshee is still alive somehow. He needs a character arc, and to be restored.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree, poor Sean has been a zombie way more than he should ever had. He needs to come back to life and be fully restored, not to die again.
Dying, while being half dead, he deserved better.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4455369]Ironically JDW and Rosenberg built the greatest monument for Rightclops ever- if he was written as aggressive and as competent as he was around 2007-2012, probably most heroes that died in this run would have been alive. Also, he would have an extra eye.[/QUOTE]
If literally anyone in this run from Uncanny 1 till now was competent, everything would be better.
Alex remembering than any mutant turning themselves into the government is a death sentence.
Magik realizing the situation she's in.
Emma doing LITERALLY ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOW SHE WAS WRITTEN
Wi-Fi letting Scott out of the bunker
Any number of things.
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I had already suppressed the memory of Cyclops saving some rando instead of the X-Men and the galaxy brain reasoning that this proves that Kid Cabe and Cyclops are therefore Good People rather than Mutant Hitler.
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What was the message of this run again?
There's nothing inherently wrong with mutant powers. They're always good. Let's just sweep the possible cancer and bleeding to death under the rug in order to avoid having a nuanced discussion.
Democracy is an inefficient way to run an organization. It just leads to stupid runs.
Suicide is a good solution.
Doesn't matter if you fought an evil goddess on an island of zombies. Normal humans can do anything they put their mind to, including avoiding getting eaten.
Rosenberg shouldn't touch X-Men ever again.
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This preview is hilariously bad. How is this Scott's fault? He literally said he would back away from leadership and they could vote on what they wanted to do. Dani is acting high and mighty too. nothing would ahve been different with her in charge. more people might have died i suppose. Scott tried to help and save everyone. he was manipulated, as was everyone else, into going after a list of terrorists. This whole arc has been weird. Bring on Hickman please
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[QUOTE=jpmst17;4455404]This preview is hilariously bad. How is this Scott's fault? He literally said he would back away from leadership and they could vote on what they wanted to do. Dani is acting high and mighty too. nothing would ahve been different with her in charge. more people might have died i suppose. Scott tried to help and save everyone. he was manipulated, as was everyone else, into going after a list of terrorists. This whole arc has been weird. Bring on Hickman please[/QUOTE]
After much thought on the study...about ten minutes....I have come to the conclusion that this is totally Scotts fault.
Scott should have just taken charge from the beginning. Instead we got a Scott who was afraid to make the big decisions for the team. Even going so far as to have a committee so they could vote on the matter. Knee jerk decisions that were blamed on the fact that the X-team didnt have a psychic in their midst. How do the Avengers get away with it...hardly any mind readers in the group?!!! Makes you wonder. Tony Stark must have some bad ass technology. You cant even mind rape them when they are in the bathroom!
Could this be explained because Scott just came back from the dead? Along with an "awakening" by the Phoenix in order to talk to his revived wife? Maybe. If Rosenberg wanted to portray a Scott that was indecisive and hesitant then he did a good job. Superb writing.
This whole arc for me has been rushed and unfulfilling. Maybe because I know that Hickman is coming and will be putting his own spin on things and so it feels that the last 6 months dont mean a thing even though the authors of these stories keep telling us they will.
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4455440]Maybe because I know that Hickman is coming and will be putting his own spin on things and so it feels that the last 6 months dont mean a thing even though the authors of these stories keep telling us they will.[/QUOTE]
This is the biggest question. Will it matter? Current writers, some fans and JDW keep saying it matters, but the past interviews from JDW and Hickman himself gave off the impression that they simply won't.
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4455440]After much thought on the study...about ten minutes....I have come to the conclusion that this is totally Scotts fault.
Scott should have just taken charge from the beginning. Instead we got a Scott who was afraid to make the big decisions for the team. Even going so far as to have a committee so they could vote on the matter. Knee jerk decisions that were blamed on the fact that the X-team didnt have a psychic in their midst. How do the Avengers get away with it...hardly any mind readers in the group?!!! Makes you wonder. Tony Stark must have some bad ass technology. You cant even mind rape them when they are in the bathroom!
Could this be explained because Scott just came back from the dead? Along with an "awakening" by the Phoenix in order to talk to his revived wife? Maybe. If Rosenberg wanted to portray a Scott that was indecisive and hesitant then he did a good job. Superb writing.
This whole arc for me has been rushed and unfulfilling. Maybe because I know that Hickman is coming and will be putting his own spin on things and so it feels that the last 6 months dont mean a thing even though the authors of these stories keep telling us they will.[/QUOTE]
If this is what the realization is for Scott, then by all means, I'm impressed. On the other hand, I still have my doubts, especially since everyone else was portrayed pretty badly.
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Scott should have Agent Smith'd and formed an armada of Scotts to save mutantkind. Ask the Avengers for some suits and shades, and just go to town. The "F-The-X-Men."
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[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4455451]Scott should have Agent Smith'd and formed an armada of Scotts to save mutantkind. Ask the Avengers for some suits and shades, and just go to town. The "F-The-X-Men."[/QUOTE]
AN army of Scotts would be a dangerous thing. And amazing.
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[QUOTE=AJpyro;4455460]AN army of Scotts would be a dangerous thing. And amazing.[/QUOTE]
Government preparing for an Area 51 raid
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Government when they learn a hundred Scotts are coming to eye-punch Area 51 and destroy all vaccines
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Calling it now, Scott broods for half the issue, contemplates running to Alaska again, maybe has a argument with Wolverine that gets interrupted , perhaps has a Final Boss Fight with some out of left field threat they forgot about (Bastion, Lang, Hodge, Jack of Diamonds, Red Queen.......Bonus of End Boss reveals some deep, long game they’ve been playing against the X-Men and Cyclops in particular ), takes a injury that would kick the Phoenix Cage into overdrive that would heal his eye (perhaps while Threat thinks it’s won) the rest of the Team (Missing Team Members, MI 13 which does have Mutants, Alpha Flight which one would think protected themselves from Mental Attacks thanks to Shaman and Talisman, X-Force, Rogue and Gambit) arrive and throws the threat off balance while Cyclops finally takes charge and starts calling rapid fire tactics then we get the big reunions........nah, sounds too competent for the current X Office.......
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- perhaps Rosenberg is really depressed and we all should be worried about him
- perhaps this Cyclops we see in Uncanny is still dead and the entire run from issue 11 onward is him living his own personal literal hell
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Summers' Ladder would be so sick, brah.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. That's Xavier screwing with Cyclops. RightClops is the run's "villain". Xavier keeps throwing random depressing/traumatizing crap at Scott to see if he's truly committed to being a good boy from now on. Maybe Emma's part of the test, too, come to think of it. Mmm. Her miserably failing would probably explain why she's still an X-Man, but nowhere near Xavier's inner circle.
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[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4455402]What was the message of this run again?[/QUOTE]
Is there a message? The primary objective isn't entertainement?
The end, as far I can tell, is unsatisfactory… So what? Scott uses his power and no human will see the red light?
In real life, you cannot except dead people to come back to life again. So is Dany angry because Scott came back and not her friends in that little paradise Emma has created where everything should be perfect?
Anyway, the mutants seem no more hunted no more feared and yet they are totally depressed? Shouldn't they be a bit happy?
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4455402]
Democracy is an inefficient way to run an organization. It just leads to stupid runs.[/QUOTE]
It's difficult to call what they had democracy… it had no structure. Even in democracies, some people have responsabilities.
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4455402]
Suicide is a good solution.[/QUOTE]
Poor Ruth… She had the gift to know the future, it's not our case. Maybe the message is: it's painful and hopeless to know your future.
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[QUOTE=ARkadelphia;4455542]- perhaps Rosenberg is really depressed and we all should be worried about him
- perhaps this Cyclops we see in Uncanny is still dead and the entire run from issue 11 onward is him living his own personal literal hell[/QUOTE]
Sometimes I'm honestly worried he went through a heavy loss that no one knows about, and his writing suffered for it. It happened once to a big name writer. Who knows.
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[QUOTE=jsg2295;4455440]After much thought on the study...about ten minutes....I have come to the conclusion that this is totally Scotts fault.
Scott should have just taken charge from the beginning. Instead we got a Scott who was afraid to make the big decisions for the team. Even going so far as to have a committee so they could vote on the matter. Knee jerk decisions that were blamed on the fact that the X-team didnt have a psychic in their midst. How do the Avengers get away with it...hardly any mind readers in the group?!!! Makes you wonder. Tony Stark must have some bad ass technology. You cant even mind rape them when they are in the bathroom!
Could this be explained because Scott just came back from the dead? Along with an "awakening" by the Phoenix in order to talk to his revived wife? Maybe. If Rosenberg wanted to portray a Scott that was indecisive and hesitant then he did a good job. Superb writing.
This whole arc for me has been rushed and unfulfilling. Maybe because I know that Hickman is coming and will be putting his own spin on things and so it feels that the last 6 months dont mean a thing even though the authors of these stories keep telling us they will.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, Rosenberg and JDW came up with the best defense of Rightclops of all time. It's just the opposite of what they wanted.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4455705]Like I said, Rosenberg and JDW came up with the best defense of Rightclops of all time. It's just the opposite of what they wanted.[/QUOTE]
Hard to tell what they wanted.
But Scott Summers indeed looks like a martyr. It's even worse without an eye.