You know youre in the twilight zone when the blob is portrayed as a sensitive fat guy who only wants to be loved and Scott is portrayed as an incompetent commander who sees his mutant family as cannon fodder.
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You know youre in the twilight zone when the blob is portrayed as a sensitive fat guy who only wants to be loved and Scott is portrayed as an incompetent commander who sees his mutant family as cannon fodder.
[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453934]And the worst part is that we know both Rosenberg and JDW agree with pretty much all the complaints and negative views about Scott and the characters are essentially mouthpieces of them (even if they continue to not provide specific examples), so are we supposed to think, maybe, Scott...should be depressed? I'm not saying of course they're advocating depression or suicide, of course, but remember they thought Rahne's death was a poignant trans metaphor, so...[/QUOTE]
The worst part to me is what would happen if Scott really did off himself. The X-characters would have another mournful sad funeral and pay respects and pretend to care about him when they were the reason he killed himself. And it would be treated like some tragedy when it was only happening because editorial wants Scott to suffer endlessly for daring to be popular when they didn't want him to be.
[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453934]And the worst part is that we know both Rosenberg and JDW agree with pretty much all the complaints and negative views about Scott and the characters are essentially mouthpieces of them (even if they continue to not provide specific examples), so are we supposed to think, maybe, Scott...should be depressed? I'm not saying of course they're advocating depression or suicide, of course, but remember they thought Rahne's death was a poignant trans metaphor, so...[/QUOTE]
They really should cut with Cyclops villanization, it is stupid when there are worse people playing hero, like Bishop
They make Scott feel guilty and put the X-men to bash him, it would be fun to see Bishop on the same situation, you know someone who actually did something bad but he is left scott free, while everybody gives crap to Cyclops.
[QUOTE=Glio;4452082]Yes, and the alternatives were
A) Hope, a teenager, dies
B) Pixie, a teenager, dies.
Aaron's conclusion: Scott likes to put teens in danger.[/QUOTE]
Whats really sad is what Xavier put the original teens through to train them. The man makes anyone outside of psychopath Batman look like Mother Theresa.
[QUOTE=jsg2295;4453941]You know youre in the twilight zone when the blob is portrayed as a sensitive fat guy who only wants to be loved and Scott is portrayed as an incompetent commander who sees his mutant family as cannon fodder.[/QUOTE]
JDW to us: "Look at my works, ye mighty, and despair!".
[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453942]The worst part to me is what would happen if Scott really did off himself. The X-characters would have another mournful sad funeral and pay respects and pretend to care about him when they were the reason he killed himself. And it would be treated like some tragedy when it was only happening because editorial wants Scott to suffer endlessly for daring to be popular when they didn't want him to be.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Again, we live in an age where the X-books are telling us that Blob is supposed to be a nice guy that just wants to be loved and the only reason he isn't is because of prejudice because he's fat, but Cyclops is incompetent and sees his family and fellow X-men as canon fodder (meaning, we should probably like the Blob more than Cyclops?), and editorial seems to think not only that's cool, but, after more than a year hearing that Cyclops was the mutant Hitler, killed off-panel and rejected by all his friends, and two more of him just dead, what the fans wanted and needed right after his return is stories about how wrong he was and how much he sucks, and if Hickman wasn't coming, we probably would have gotten even more of those (probably a few years of Jean rejecting him for #feminism while he pines for her would have been included, perhaps while she bangs Logan in the meantime). And then JDW comes here and some posters, including people I like, suck up to him...
Hell, Paniccia seemingly wanted to have the X-men in a safe bubble of nostalgia, but at least he probably would just gotten us boyscout Scott and ignored everything since Morrison; I would actually prefer that over this non-sense.
[QUOTE=fsger;4453952]They really should cut with Cyclops villanization, it is stupid when there are worse people playing hero, like Bishop
They make Scott feel guilty and put the X-men to bash him, it would be fun to see Bishop on the same situation, you know someone who actually did something bad but he is left scott free, while everybody gives crap to Cyclops.[/QUOTE]
Or Logan, whom Marvel actually had to kill because of the terrible characterization in the Schism era; at least, in arcs leading up to his death, he admitted to being an hypocrite, but I doubt Aaron and a good part of current editorial sees anything wrong with his behavior. It was Scott who was WROOOOONG.
We do, in fact, live in an age.
[QUOTE=jsg2295;4453966]Whats really sad is what Xavier put the original teens through to train them. The man makes anyone outside of psychopath Batman look like Mother Theresa.[/QUOTE]
I really don't think Aaron saw the irony of naming a school destined to keep students safe from fighting villains named after Jean Grey,[B] who literally faced Magneto in her first day at the school![/B]
[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4453977]I really don't think Aaron saw the irony of naming a school destined to keep students safe from fighting villains named after Jean Grey,[B] who literally faced Magneto in her first day at the school![/B][/QUOTE]
To be fair, the name was chosen just to get on Scott's nerves. Then again, that probably wasn't a wise choice either.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4453730]People are making a bunch of Twitter threads on how innovative Rosenberg’s run but he’s doing the exact same thing he’s critiquing.....not even trying to do anything to subvert that aside from just addressing it. It’s.....sad how low of a bar some people have for genre deconstruction.[/QUOTE]
In fairness, critiquing it may be all he has the power to do, depending on what the mandate is going in to HoX/PoX. But lampshading a problem has never been the sign of particularly good writing, no. It's not a wink at the audience, it's letting the audience know you're aware of the issue and nothing's being done to actually fix it. But one more issue, so let's see what the dude can pull out of his hat, I guess.
[QUOTE=TheDeadSpace;4453982]To be fair, the name was chosen just to get on Scott's nerves. Then again, that probably wasn't a wise choice either.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Logan named it that as a tribute to Jean second and a personalized fuck you to Scott first.
[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453990]Yeah, Logan named it that as a tribute to Jean second and a personalized fuck you to Scott first.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Sinister probably thought it was funny.
[QUOTE=PsychoEFrost;4453990]Yeah, Logan named it that as a tribute to Jean second and a personalized fuck you to Scott first.[/QUOTE]
Who wouldn't want that guy teaching your children?
[QUOTE=TheDeadSpace;4453982]To be fair, the name was chosen just to get on Scott's nerves. Then again, that probably wasn't a wise choice either.[/QUOTE]
That was a good troll move from Logan
[QUOTE=fsger;4453952]They really should cut with Cyclops villanization, it is stupid when there are worse people playing hero, like Bishop
They make Scott feel guilty and put the X-men to bash him, it would be fun to see Bishop on the same situation, you know someone who actually did something bad but he is left scott free, while everybody gives crap to Cyclops.[/QUOTE]
Except all the time that characters bring it?
At least Bishop doesn't let kids kill
Ya, cause he kills um....
[QUOTE=spirit2011;4454006]
At least Bishop doesn't let kids kill[/QUOTE]
You are kidding right?