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[QUOTE=PCN24454;4577410]Remember the “dead wood” thread where we talked about how writers would rather give a story to a popular at the risk of retconning them than build up a newer and probably blank slate hero?
That’s why I hate the idea of “Johnny being bi”.[/QUOTE]
Johnny being bi wouldn't take anything anyway from a theroretical "new hero". Plus he's on a the Fantastic Four, not the Avengers or X-Men with their rotating rosters so it's not like he's taking anyone's place or anything.
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[QUOTE=scourge;4578165]Didn't say you. Said that example was.
Kind of wish there was some kind of on page indicator for when characters like Daken were using pheromone powers. Like how Wallflower had sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Damn. Now I feel like an frikken ignoramus. Please forgive me.
[QUOTE]Kind of wish there was some kind of on page indicator for when characters like Daken were using pheromone powers. Like how Wallflower had sometimes
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I agree, but thats the prolbem when they don't show it. Its mostly percieved to be "Just ON" making people like them.
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Yeah, I’m straight.” is probably how you do it without overdoing it and sounding homophobic.[/QUOTE]
I don't know... If it were that simple Sony wouldn't have made[B][I] those [/I][/B]documents.
Stan Lee wouldn't have made [I][B]that[/B][/I] statement. . .
[QUOTE]I wouldn’t mind, if Peter Parker had originally been black, a Latino, an Indian or anything else, that he stay that way,” Lee told Newsrama. “But we originally made him white. I don’t see any reason to change that.”
“I think the world has a place for gay superheroes, certainly,” he adds. “But again, I don’t see any reason to change the sexual proclivities of a character once they’ve already been established. I have no problem with creating new, homosexual superheroes. It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it’s so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to.”
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Coupled with
[URL="https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stan-lee-explains-made-gay-marvel-superhero-article-1.2104835"]Why Stan Lee never made any gay superheroes...[/URL]
So I mean... really...
[QUOTE]Yeah, I’m straight.” is probably how you do it without overdoing it and sounding homophobic.[/QUOTE] Seems redundant to have to say that for [I][B][U]EVERY SINGLE STAN LEE[/U][/B][/I] created character but... the more you know etc.
Stan Lee never created a gay hero... I mean wow... I thought he made northstar. Mind Blown.
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Also, can we stop with saying slash-fiction. Because I don't read slash-fiction (I had to look the definition up just now).
That's not the reason why I'm saying that Johnny should be bi. So please don't attempt to reduce what I'm saying by calling my reasoning "slash-fiction".
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[QUOTE=Midnight_v;4578229]Damn. Now I feel like an frikken ignoramus. Please forgive me.
I agree, but thats the prolbem when they don't show it. Its mostly percieved to be "Just ON" making people like them.
I don't know... If it were that simple Sony wouldn't have made[B][I] those [/I][/B]documents.
Stan Lee wouldn't have made [I][B]that[/B][/I] statement. . .
Coupled with
[URL="https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stan-lee-explains-made-gay-marvel-superhero-article-1.2104835"]Why Stan Lee never made any gay superheroes...[/URL]
So I mean... really...
Seems redundant to have to say that for [I][B][U]EVERY SINGLE STAN LEE[/U][/B][/I] created character but... the more you know etc.
Stan Lee never created a gay hero... I mean wow... I thought he made northstar. Mind Blown.[/QUOTE]
And now you are coming off as phobic.
Trying REALLY hard to argue against LGBT characters.
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[QUOTE=Holt;4578163]Today in "Not to sound homophobic but..."[/QUOTE]
My response was a legiment response to the thread. The reasoning for turning a historically straight character gay at this point are VERY slim. There are so many already now, to the point that almost every other new character is on the LBGT specturm.
Besides why are you so threaten by straight people....Maybe your just Straightophobic *shrug*
Whatever at this point Marvel should just make all their characters LGBT so they have less excuses not to focus on better story telling. Seeing as Iceman's 3 solo chances at bat after coming out. But it probably made him less popular/likeable due to the story mostly focusing on who he likes to sleep with then actually saving the world, being a hero, or any other reason the average superhero comic consumer goes to buy a book. *Double shrug*
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4578430]My response was a legiment response to the thread. The reasoning for turning a historically straight character gay at this point are VERY slim. There are so many already now, to the point that almost every other new character is on the LBGT specturm.
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You seem to have phased out of your home dimension. Contact your local authorities for assistance in returning.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4578430]My response was a legiment response to the thread. The reasoning for turning a historically straight character gay at this point are VERY slim. There are so many already now, to the point that almost every other new character is on the LBGT specturm.
Besides why are you so threaten by straight people....Maybe your just Straightophobic *shrug*
Whatever at this point Marvel should just make all their characters LGBT so they have less excuses not to focus on better story telling. Seeing as Iceman's 3 solo chances at bat after coming out. But it probably made him less popular/likeable due to the story mostly focusing on who he likes to sleep with then actually saving the world, being a hero, or any other reason the average superhero comic consumer goes to buy a book. *Double shrug*[/QUOTE]
To quote Mr. Skywalker...
Amazing, every word of what you just said... was wrong.
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[QUOTE=Snoop Dogg;4578440]You seem to have phased out of your home dimension. Contact your local authorities for assistance in returning.[/QUOTE]
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Fantastic reply
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This is the current running list on Wikipedia
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Aikku Jokinen
Alpha Centurion
The Ambiguously Gay Duo
Angela (comics)
Anima (comics)
Anole (comics)
Apollo (comics)
Kaldur'ahm
Artemis of Bana-Mighdall
Aruna (comics)
Asami Sato
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Danielle Baptiste
Claire Bennet
Black Condor
Bling!
Blithe (comics)
Cullen Bloodstone
Brat Pack (comics)
Bunker (comics)
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Captain Astro
Chalice (superhero character)
Chemical King
Grace Choi
Citizen Cold
Coagula
Cobweb (comics)
Alternative versions of Colossus
Creote
Hero Cruz
Curtis Holt (Arrowverse)
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Dawnstar
Karolina Dean
Demolition Man (comics)
Salu Digby
Doop (comics)
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Element Lad
Extraño
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Flatman (comics)
Freedom Ring
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Gabby Kinney
Giant-Man
Graymalkin
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Halo (comics)
Hero (novel)
Heroes (comics)
Hiroim
Tefé Holland
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Icemaiden
Invisible Kid
Natasha Irons
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Jackpot (comics)
Thomas Jagger
Jericho (comics)
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Jennifer Kale
Karma (comics)
Knock Out (Transformers: Prime)
Korg (comics)
Korra
Trini Kwan
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Sara Lance
Living Lightning
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Madame Fatal
Mala (Amazon)
Manhunter (comics)
Mantra (comics)
Maxima (comics)
Midnighter
Nico Minoru
Miss Masque
Mister Terrific (comics)
Mister Terrific (Michael Holt)
Moondragon
Mother Panic
The Movement (comics)
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Naked Justice
Nia Nal
Negative Man
Neon the Unknown
Noh-Varr
Northstar (comics)
Nubia (comics)
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Obsidian (comics)
Off-Ramp
Olympian (comics)
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Painkiller Jane
Phyla-Vell
Pied Piper (comics)
Power Boy
Josiah Power
Julie Power
Princess Bubblegum
Prodigy (David Alleyne)
Promethea
Psylocke
Pyro (Marvel Comics)
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Quasar (comics)
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Rage (Queer as Folk)
Sarah Rainmaker
Ayla Ranzz
Rawhide Kid
Ray (comics)
Rictor
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Sailor Neptune
Sailor Uranus
Alan Scott
Shatterstar
Shim'Tar
Shining Knight
Takashi 'Shiro' Shirogane
Jenny Sparks
Stacy X
Peter Stanchek (comics)
Starman (comics)
Striker (comics)
Sunpyre
Swift (comics)
Kevin Sydney
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Tasmanian Devil (comics)
Ray (Ray Terrill)
Thunder (comics)
Traci Thirteen
Triumph (comics)
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Ultimate Colossus
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Wiccan (comics)
X
Xavin
Z
Zephyr (Queer as Folk)
Zsazsa Zaturnnah
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With more being created every couple of months. The "need" is gone for changing straight characters LGBT.
The list of other minority groups is flat out embarsing in comparison so... No I'm on the Mark here.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4578507]This is the current running list on Wikipedia
With more being created every couple of months. The "need" is gone for changing straight characters LGBT.
The list of other minority groups is flat out embarsing in comparison so... No I'm on the Mark here.[/QUOTE]
No. You're still pretty firmly wrong.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4578507]This is the current running list on Wikipedia
With more being created every couple of months. The "need" is gone for changing straight characters LGBT.
The list of other minority groups is flat out embarsing in comparison so... No I'm on the Mark here.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a Marvel list.... I just saw mention Sailor Neptune and Uranus.
If this is the list of LGBT superheroes from [B]ALL[/B] forms of media, it's still a paltry list. Not to mention how many are likely inactive and haven't been used in years. Where is the list of Marvel characters seeing as we're talking about Marvel here.
Heck, I'll make it easier. Give me a list of Fantastic Four related LGBT superheroes.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;4578535]This isn't a Marvel list.... I just saw mention Sailor Neptune and Uranus.
If this is the list of LGBT superheroes from [B]ALL[/B] forms of media, it's still a paltry list. Not to mention how many are likely inactive and haven't been used in years. Where is the list of Marvel characters seeing as we're talking about Marvel here.
Heck, I'll make it easier. Give me a list of Fantastic Four related LGBT superheroes.[/QUOTE]
Ah your right. Doing this from my phone and the result came up wonky. I will get the list later
But currently Juila Power and I'm fairly certain Dragon Man are gay.
They are in that franchise Soo... There ya go.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4578553]Ah your right. Doing this from my phone and the result came up wonky. I will get the list later
But currently Juila Power and I'm fairly certain Dragon Man are gay.
They are in that franchise Soo... There ya go.[/QUOTE]
Dragon Man is an android that has shown no sexual attraction and he's not a superhero, he's a part of the supporting cast. Julie Power is a member of Power Pack, she's only currently on the (already cancelled) Future Foundation. She's as related to the FF as Storm or Black Panther.
The Fantastic Four franchise only has one. Tong the Moloid who is transgender. She isn't a superhero and is part of the supporting cast, the Future Foundation. This means that she is often not used and barely gets focus or arcs. A lot of the Future Foundation is like on the "outer ring" of supporting cast importantc. Where they aren't considered as important as Frank and Val and there are too many of them to give proper stories to.
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[QUOTE=DragonsChi;4578507]This is the current running list on Wikipedia
With more being created every couple of months. The "need" is gone for changing straight characters LGBT.
The list of other minority groups is flat out embarsing in comparison so... No I'm on the Mark here.[/QUOTE]
Umm... a lot of those aren't from Marvel and I don't see what's the big deal with more lgbt characters existing.
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There's still representation present though and Power Pack is pretty much young FF.
Not only that the reasoning that out of four characters none of being LGBT is a problem is somewhat faulty logic.
Can you provide a single reason as to why Johnny should be gay, that does not involve representation, because their is some already, or any other reason that does not represent how the character has been proytraed? Give reasons that will help the character grow or be more popular in Superhero Comics. Without "Representation" being the Crux to the point.