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[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774224]Have we seen her compassion and caring extend to humans though? Friends or otherwise? I've seen it towards characters like Kitty and other mutants but...?[/QUOTE]
Black Panther. If you read his solo she's acts kind and helpful and caring to them.
Uh, Marauders...She told Pyro to kill no Human.
In Hickmans First X-Men issue she showed compassion for that Proto-Human girl and she also made a comment on how sad it is for humans to feel a certain way to experiment on them-self or something like that.
I actually do like this combative Storm reminds me of Punk Rock Storm :-)
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774236]Black Panther. If you read his solo she's acts kind and helpful and caring to them.
Uh, Marauders...She told Pyro to kill no Human.
In Hickmans First X-Men issue she showed compassion for that Proto-Human girl and she also made a comment on how sad it is for humans to feel a certain way to experiment on them-self or something like that.
I actually do like this combative Storm reminds me of Punk Rock Storm :-)[/QUOTE]
Ah, see...gotta ask: Does it actually [I]count[/I] if it's in another book? I always thought if we didn't see it from the X-line specifically then it's not really...y'know? Canon there?
In Marauders though: isn't that just more of a legal thing rather than from any real compassion? She's a council member, after all, her job kind of hinges on pointing that out.
Also, in Hickman's run...I get what ya mean with the Proto-Human girl, sort of, but I'm wondering if that's just pity? Also, if her comment about humans was not meant with contempt? Because, based on her lines before that, I'm struggling to see why she'd feel otherwise?
I miss compassionate Storm: that was real, leader-quality, badassery!
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[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774244]Ah, see...gotta ask: Does it actually [I]count[/I] if it's in another book? I always thought if we didn't see it from the X-line specifically then it's not really...y'know? Canon there?
In Marauders though: isn't that just more of a legal thing rather than from any real compassion? She's a council member, after all, her job kind of hinges on pointing that out.
Also, in Hickman's run...I get what ya mean with the Proto-Human girl, sort of, but I'm wondering if that's just pity? Also, if her comment about humans was not meant with contempt? Because, based on her lines before that, I'm struggling to see why she'd feel otherwise?
I miss compassionate Storm: that was real, leader-quality, badassery![/QUOTE]
It's Cannon because T'Challa talks about Krakoa to Storm.
Fair Enough on Maraurders.
Well, I bring it up because if Storm really didn't give 2-Shits about Humans anymore. I'd imagine she would tell Scott or Polaris to not engage in the girl for she isn't even their primary target. Yet, Storm wanted to help the girl
I think she chooses when she wants to use compassion?? IDK. But she's not turning into a Magneto(I'd think that be cool), but she still the storm we love just more.....assertive and serious.
Honestly, this Storm reminds me of Post Crisis Wonder Woman.
Anyway, I hope the FF treats the X-Men with RESPECT!! LOL
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774258]It's Cannon because T'Challa talks about Krakoa to Storm.[/QUOTE]
Cannon to the Marvel universe, maybe, but like...that doesn't mean it necessarily translates over to the X-line? Like: one writer might not [I]actually[/I] be writing how the 'main' writer intends? If that makes sense?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774258]Well, I bring it up because if Storm really didn't give 2-Shits about Humans anymore. I'd imagine she would tell Scott or Polaris to not engage in the girl for she isn't even their primary target. Yet, Storm wanted to help the girl[/QUOTE]
But, isn't that also a good tactic for just getting information? Making someone feel cared about without actually...feeling it? I wouldn't put it past this Storm?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774258]but she still the storm we love just more.....assertive and serious. [/QUOTE]
Your milage may vary there: She's [I]always[/I] been assertive and serious; but she never had to compromise her compassion to do so. Storm has always had the most objective, nuanced view...I'm not seeing it from Hickman.
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On the whole vs thing.
Rockslide can't possess Ben as Ben isn't actually made out of rocks, it only looks like it.
Johnny's powers are better than Pyro's in every way tbh. He can do everything Pyro can, as well as generate and absorb fire/heat. Pyro alone should not be able to beat Johnny.
Sue's force-fields can and have blocked telepathy before, plus she's also blocked phasing. I think phasing is about what wavelength Sue is generating her force-fields at. Get the right one and she might be able to stop Kitty. Even then she has invisibility, which should not be underestimated.
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[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774276]Cannon to the Marvel universe, maybe, but like...that doesn't mean it necessarily translates over to the X-line? Like: one writer might not [I]actually[/I] be writing how the 'main' writer intends? If that makes sense?
But, isn't that also a good tactic for just getting information? Making someone feel cared about without actually...feeling it? I wouldn't put it past this Storm?
Your milage may vary there: She's [I]always[/I] been assertive and serious; but she never had to compromise her compassion to do so. Storm has always had the most objective, nuanced view...I'm not seeing it from Hickman.[/QUOTE]
Just because it’s not mentioned in the X-Line doesn’t make it cannon.
Storm is not that heartless to pretend to care about a Human being just to get information. That’s not her style or character. She isn’t Batman.
It does for me. Given the example of the Proto Human that pretty much explains it for me.
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[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774210]I mean, I can speculate:
Kitty's hugging Franklin because they hold fond memories of each other.
And, Storm's currently being written in a very combative, much less human-friendly manner under Hickman. She might not view them as her friends anymore, just 'human.'[/QUOTE]
well in fearless ororo and sue were friends. I think ororo can separate the bad humans from the good ones.
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Whatever happens in this series Franklin is going to be with the champions and other American supers in Outlaw. Although X-23 and Gwenpool will be there too.
I really think that the end will be Franklin losing all his powers on purpose and saying then that he goes Krakoa, but they are like “eh no” , then he says something like “exactly what I was thinking, you didn’t want me , you wanted to use my power” Xavier obtains a little of the blood of Franklin before losing his powers and gives it to Sinister and Reed at the end Reveals that he is in a natural phase of his powers but they will eventually come back .
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[QUOTE=Crimz;4774289]On the whole vs thing.
Rockslide can't possess Ben as Ben isn't actually made out of rocks, it only looks like it.
Johnny's powers are better than Pyro's in every way tbh. He can do everything Pyro can, as well as generate and absorb fire/heat. Pyro alone should not be able to beat Johnny.
Sue's force-fields can and have blocked telepathy before, plus she's also blocked phasing. I think phasing is about what wavelength Sue is generating her force-fields at. Get the right one and she might be able to stop Kitty. Even then she has invisibility, which should not be underestimated.[/QUOTE]
Sues forcefields were ineffective in X4 against telepathy. And I haven't seen a convincing argument to say they can as her opponents weren't proper telepaths e.g. psycho man
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Looks like Sue's fields may be ineffective against Kitty's phasing too, unless of course, Franklin[B]allowed [/B]Kitty entry.....
[IMG]https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/xmenff2020001013_400.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;4774798]Sues forcefields were ineffective in X4 against telepathy. And I haven't seen a convincing argument to say they can as her opponents weren't proper telepaths e.g. psycho man[/QUOTE]
Marvel's official website confirms that they block telepathy. It's not surprising that Akira Yoshida didn't know that when he wrote X4.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;4775319]Marvel's official website confirms that they block telepathy. It's not surprising that Akira Yoshida didn't know that when he wrote X4.[/QUOTE]
They should clear that up.
Because i've seen some scans where Sue has been affected by TP with her Force Fields up.....
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4775427]They should clear that up.
Because i've seen some scans where Sue has been affected by TP with her Force Fields up.....[/QUOTE]
And the fact that it makes no sense? Telepathy is a worthless power, but I'd rather Reed just had some psi-blockers like every other two-bit human.
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[QUOTE=useridgoeshere;4775496]And the fact that it makes no sense? Telepathy is a worthless power, but I'd rather Reed just had some psi-blockers like every other two-bit human.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call Telepathy a worthless power. I mean it's very effective. As for Reed eh sure why not.....
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[QUOTE=Crimz;4774289]On the whole vs thing.
Rockslide can't possess Ben as Ben isn't actually made out of rocks, it only looks like it.
Johnny's powers are better than Pyro's in every way tbh. He can do everything Pyro can, as well as generate and absorb fire/heat. Pyro alone should not be able to beat Johnny.[/QUOTE]
Pyro should be able to prevent Human Torch was harming anyone else. Johnny even flaming on gives Pyro a way to hurt the other members of the Fantastic Four.
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4775577]Pyro should be able to prevent Human Torch was harming anyone else. Johnny even flaming on gives Pyro a way to hurt the other members of the Fantastic Four.[/QUOTE]
That's all about control, Johnny can control fire just as he can generate it.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;4775616]That's all about control, [B]Johnny can control fire [/B]just as he can generate it.[/QUOTE]
not like Pyro can control it.
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Johnny can control heat and the rate of heat transfer as well and can easily disable or even kill Pyro.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4775427]They should clear that up.
Because i've seen some scans where Sue has been affected by TP with her Force Fields up.....[/QUOTE]
I don't think it'd make much sense since her force fields are not even pure psionic energy like say Psylocke's constructs. Btw I'm curious too about the resistance since we've never really seen it being stated clearly on paper and she's been manipulated before.
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[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4775668]Johnny can control heat and the rate of heat transfer as well and can easily disable or even kill Pyro.[/QUOTE]
yet he got taken out by a bottle in the first issue of Civil War.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774632]Just because it’s not mentioned in the X-Line doesn’t make it cannon.
Storm is not that heartless to pretend to care about a Human being just to get information. That’s not her style or character. She isn’t Batman.[/QUOTE]
--Fair enough, I still don't think I can see it the same way though, but ya know.
--Ok, [I]we[/I] know that as fans, but dya think Hickman knows that? I mean, he's changed so much already and it's been considered a natural evolution of everything; what makes Storm exempt from that?
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[FONT=Georgia][COLOR="#000080"]So I'm really digging Captain Kate over in Marauders and the art shared so far for this book looks like it's turning Kate back into Kitty. I really don't want that. She better not lose the hand tats!!!![/COLOR][/FONT]
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4775676]yet he got taken out by a bottle in the first issue of Civil War.[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant.
Was there a Pyro that controlled Johnny? Yes, [B]in an AU[/B].
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4775675]I don't think it'd make much sense since her force fields are not even pure psionic energy like say Psylocke's constructs. Btw I'm curious too about the resistance since we've never really seen it being stated clearly on paper and she's been manipulated before.[/QUOTE]
Hyperspace is weird that's all I got. I'm still waiting for them to properly explore what she can and can't do.
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4775675]I don't think it'd make much sense since her force fields are not even pure psionic energy like say Psylocke's constructs. Btw I'm curious too about the resistance since we've never really seen it being stated clearly on paper and she's been manipulated before.[/QUOTE]
Why not? Some kind of signal is being beamed to their heads when a telepath is at work. She can block sound waves, microwaves, electric currents; why not psychic waves?
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These rumbles discussions are pointless since any fight can turn out any way the writer needs to advance a story. The X-Men usually end up on the short-end of any of them anyway, regardless of logic.
In this case, their powers hopefully isn't going to be the story. They'll equalize things in some way so they can have a compelling story about Franklin's identity crisis (with machinations by Doom as a B-plot).
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Perhaps it’s a fine line, but I think there is a line between discussing the mechanics of abilities and straight up rumbles. I’m sure it’ll get there though.
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Sue isn't immune to TP; but it was mentioned in an old article decades before, that since she has to psionically project her force fields, there's some latent psionic ability (other than force field related) in her that in theory can with development and training give her resistance.
Edit: Just found this on marvel.com's entry on Sue.
[QUOTE]She is also able to shield her mind from some types of telepathic intrusion or influence, detect and locate nearby people or objects using an invisible force that pulses out from her body as radar, and can track psionic energy sources over great distances or snare and redirect psionic energies active in her general vicinity.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.marvel.com/characters/invisible-woman/in-comics[/url]
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[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4775677]--Fair enough, I still don't think I can see it the same way though, but ya know.
--Ok, [I]we[/I] know that as fans, but dya think Hickman knows that? I mean, he's changed so much already and it's been considered a natural evolution of everything; what makes Storm exempt from that?[/QUOTE]
I think Hickman isn't stupid. They way he wrote her in his first issue TO ME as a Fan of Storm showed me both sides to Storm.
[QUOTE=Veitha;4775675]I don't think it'd make much sense since her force fields are not even pure psionic energy like say Psylocke's constructs. Btw I'm curious too about the resistance since we've never really seen it being stated clearly on paper and she's been manipulated before.[/QUOTE]
That's True.
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[QUOTE=The Quiet Councilor;4775820]Why not? Some kind of signal is being beamed to their heads when a telepath is at work. She can block sound waves, microwaves, electric currents; why not psychic waves?[/QUOTE]
It depends really on how psychic energy is depicted, I think. I think her shields allow her to manipulate energy in the EM spectrum such as visible light and such so it makes sense to block electricity and microwaves. As far as sound, she just gave the shields the adeguate consistency (they're still mechanical waves and she can block mechanical pressure/force since her shields are essentially solid).
It really depends on how the writer defines her powers and psychic powers. Emma has gone through her shields tho, and she's also gone through the ONE Sentinels shields by finding the right frequency so if it's an EM issue then a telepath could still work it out probably.
But it's mostly on the writer and I'm thinking way too deep about it hahaha.
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4775974]It depends really on how psychic energy is depicted, I think. I think her shields allow her to manipulate energy in the EM spectrum such as visible light and such so it makes sense to block electricity and microwaves. As far as sound, she just gave the shields the adeguate consistency (they're still mechanical waves and she can block mechanical pressure/force since her shields are essentially solid).
It really depends on how the writer defines her powers and psychic powers. Emma has gone through her shields tho, and she's also gone through the ONE Sentinels shields by finding the right frequency so if it's an EM issue then a telepath could still work it out probably.
But it's mostly on the writer and I'm thinking way too deep about it hahaha.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that deep thinking. It’s fun to think about!
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Jean Grey vs Invisible Woman needs to happen! I want to see if Jean's tk can overcome IW's force constructs
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Now THAT I can get behind. Jean vs Sue again......let's Rooock!
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[QUOTE=starduck;4776002]Jean Grey vs Invisible Woman needs to happen! I want to see if Jean's tk can overcome IW's force constructs[/QUOTE]
Yes, I wanna see that so bad! Susan has improved vastly since the last time they met.
[QUOTE=The Quiet Councilor;4775980]Thanks for that deep thinking. It’s fun to think about![/QUOTE]
Yes, it is very fun hahaha until someone starts fighting about it
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Cho is doing an interconnecting cover.
I wanted to add a thirsty comment about Colossus but I can't think of any witty one, so I'll just stare in the background while someone does it like Miss Frost is doing in this cover.
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4777262]
I wanted to add a thirsty comment about Colossus but I can't think of any witty one[/QUOTE]
It's ok, I'm with you.
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[QUOTE=Jbenito;4777263]It's ok, I'm with you.[/QUOTE]
We'll just stare at it
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[B][I]Data Pagesssssssss!!!!!!!!!![/I][/B]
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[QUOTE=Tycon;4780026][B][I]Data Pagesssssssss!!!!!!!!!![/I][/B]
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Yes yes yes! We ALL love data pages!
And Chip is shirtless in his bed as he should be.
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[QUOTE=Tycon;4780026][B][I]Data Pagesssssssss!!!!!!!!!![/I][/B]
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YESSSSS
Could these be some genes related stuff? I have some latent recollection from high school biology arising.
