X-Men/ Fantastic Four #1

[QUOTE=Havok83;4653694]he can also be with Hope and be straight. There isnt anything wrong with that. Though I'd imagine Hope is a bit too old for him. She has to be at least 18 now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the way you had to correct it on some “being straight is okay!!!1!!1!” was odd. Yeah, we all know that. Is him being bi that bad? There’s already like 29464837 other straight ppl in Marvel.

[QUOTE=Maestroneto;4654077]I bet rebellious teen Franklin goes to Krakoa to piss of his parents.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Or if he stays on Yancy Street, it could be a “Monday and Wednesdays I go to Krakoa, rest of the week I stay with the FF” type situation.

[QUOTE=Tycon;4654152]


Yeah. Or if he stays on Yancy Street, it could be a “Monday and Wednesdays I go to Krakoa, rest of the week I stay with the FF” type situation.[/QUOTE]

They could get him a Krakoan habitat in the Baxter Building. I wouldn't trust Reed around that tho.

[QUOTE=useridgoeshere;4654080]And yet, he ends up with Galactus, who obviously identifies as male, as his one true love. I think he’s bi like his uncle.[/QUOTE]

You have a point. They were killed together in the latest Immortal Hulk issue.

[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4654169]You have a point. They were killed together in the latest Immortal Hulk issue.[/QUOTE]

SPOILERS

big thank you

[QUOTE=Veitha;4654160]They could get him a Krakoan habitat in the Baxter Building. I wouldn't trust Reed around that tho.[/QUOTE]

He would definitely screw something up.....OR somehow discover trace elements of the Transmode Virus and let someone know.

[QUOTE=Tycon;4654194]He would definitely screw something up.....OR somehow discover trace elements of the Transmode Virus and let someone know.[/QUOTE]

I can see Reed reverse engineer how they work and probably use that knowledge if there's a conflict against Krakoa.

Discovering the Virus could trigger the superhero community lol. Do we know for sure if the Virus is actively behind the portals/tech? Or if it's more Krakoa's powers that's doing the magic?

[QUOTE=Veitha;4654197]I can see Reed reverse engineer how they work and probably use that knowledge if there's a conflict against Krakoa.

Discovering the Virus could trigger the superhero community lol. Do we know for sure if the Virus is actively behind the portals/tech? Or if it's more Krakoa's powers that's doing the magic?[/QUOTE]

That would be pretty sad, I’d like to think Reed matured past his Illuminati days where he’d stick his nose where it didn’t belong. But this is also Reed we’re talking about. Especially if Namor ends up arriving on Krakoa and he gets close with Franklin.

I think the portals are just Krakoa working his mutant power/mutant magic. But I think that since Doug spread it on Krakoa, the Vrisu is in every crook and crevice of the island, which would also mean the habitat flowers had small traces of it.

[QUOTE=Psy-lock;4653233]Rachel should come after his underage ass. How old is she again?[/QUOTE]

Maybe they bring back Psi-Lord and he goes to Krakoa to be with Rachel while Franklin stays with his parents.

I can´t wait to read a little more of the Fantastic Four interacting with the X-men, I just wish they don´t make the X-men seem entitled to Franklin just because he´s a mutant, his family is his family and his genetic make up will never change that. The X-men are friends and allies of the FF4 at best sure they can get closer but this doesn´t give Krakoa or the X-men any right to Franklin unless he wants to know more about Krakoa.

On the other hand, X-Men and Fantastic Four working together to defeat Orchis, especially since they are using Reeds technology to attack mutantkind seems like a really inteteresting idea and I can´t wait to see some of that. Given my fave Magneto will be there and this story is a sequel to the original X-men vs fantastic four, I hope to see some positive or at least nuanced interaction between him and the FF4 and some funny missunderstandings with Dr Doom if he´s going to be there too :) I love it when Magneto and Doom get to interact in an uneasy alliance, especially after Children´s Crusade and the Axis crossover.

[QUOTE=Lucyinthesky;4654387]I can´t wait to read a little more of the Fantastic Four interacting with the X-men, I just wish they don´t make the X-men seem entitled to Franklin just because he´s a mutant, his family is his family and his genetic make up will never change that. The X-men are friends and allies of the FF4 at best sure they can get closer but this doesn´t give Krakoa or the X-men any right to Franklin unless he wants to know more about Krakoa.

On the other hand, X-Men and Fantastic Four working together to defeat Orchis, especially since they are using Reeds technology to attack mutantkind seems like a really inteteresting idea and I can´t wait to see some of that. Given my fave Magneto will be there and this story is a sequel to the original X-men vs fantastic four, I hope to see some positive or at least nuanced interaction between him and the FF4 and some funny missunderstandings with Dr Doom if he´s going to be there too :) I love it when Magneto and Doom get to interact in an uneasy alliance, especially after Children´s Crusade and the Axis crossover.[/QUOTE]

Oh wow, I never thought of that. If Orchis attacks the FF and Reed finds out about the Forge, he may even be the one that reaches out to the X-Men himself rather than the other way around, especially if Orchis takes Franklin!

Exactly [B]Crimz [/B]suggested this some post ago and it makes a lot of sense. Orchis is a potential danger to Franklin because he´s an omega level mutant and it´s a nice way for the FF4 to understand where the X-men are coming from and why they decided to go along with Krakoa. Add to this the missuse of Reed´s technology and it gets even more personal for them.

[QUOTE=Lucyinthesky;4654427]Exactly [B]Crimz [/B]suggested this some post ago and it makes a lot of sense. Orchis is a potential danger to Franklin because he´s an omega level mutant and it´s a nice way for the FF4 to understand where the X-men are coming from and why they decided to go along with Krakoa. Add to this the missuse of Reed´s technology and it gets even more personal for them.[/QUOTE]

This is similar to Days of Future Present where Ahab equally targeted the FF and X-Men both in his hunt for alt-universe Franklin and Rachel! Ahab even said that they were all going to be killed in a few years and they were all living on borrowed time till the Sentinels rose to power and killed them all.

And after the birth of Nimrod this future will be closer than ever.

Is Reed ever going to find out that he co-created the foundation for Nimrod and the current base for Orchis? I’d like for someone to remind him that he left his planet-destroyer orbiting the sun.

[QUOTE=RachelGrey;4654438]This is similar to Days of Future Present where Ahab equally targeted the FF and X-Men both in his hunt for alt-universe Franklin and Rachel! Ahab even said that they were all going to be killed in a few years and they were all living on borrowed time till the Sentinels rose to power and killed them all.[/QUOTE]

clearly that's not set in stone or he would not bother hunting them out of his own time

[QUOTE=staptik777;4649806]Who is that? Kitty?
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I like how NOBODY talks about how gross ass Kitty Pryde danced naked with a young Franklin Richards nuzzled in her crotch the first time the FF/Xmen paired up for a book....

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4651291]I just hope Sue Richards and Reed Understand that the X-Men are NOT trying to take him away. Shoot if the public find out FR is a mutant?? Oh hell break loose. The FF will finally see what mutants go through.

I hope this is written well so the X-Men don’t come off as jerks trying to take away people’s children.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I hope this is more of a philosophical battle and little actual battle, with lots of good exposition and grounding in the world's attitude about what the Krakoan Nation represents to the rest of the marvel U.

[QUOTE=ohsnapulon5000;4654701]I like how NOBODY talks about how gross ass Kitty Pryde danced naked with a young Franklin Richards nuzzled in her crotch the first time the FF/Xmen paired up for a book....[/QUOTE]

I think he was trying to cheer her up, I didn't read anything else into it. She was on the verge of dying after all!

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[QUOTE=ohsnapulon5000;4654701]I like how NOBODY talks about how gross ass Kitty Pryde danced naked with a young Franklin Richards nuzzled in her crotch the first time the FF/Xmen paired up for a book....[/QUOTE]

Ummmmm....

[QUOTE=Maestroneto;4649852]Kitty danced as a nude ghost with little Franklin in The Fantastic Four vs. The X-Men, which Zdarsky says this is a spiritual successor to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daedra;4654663]clearly that's not set in stone or he would not bother hunting them out of his own time[/QUOTE]

Pretty much in the context of Days of Future Present, Days of Future Past changed the future slightly, but not enough where it still converged into a similar enough future. What they didn't know was that Franklin, from the original future, had also time travelled and wound up in the new past but they did anticipate something similar and so the Sentinel Hierarchy positioned Ahab in the past to stop further time travel from changing their future. Ahab figured, well I'm going to end up killing all these guys in the future, might as well do it now, sure won't change anything against my future.

Excalibur's Alan Davis storylines retconned this into the Days of Future Past just being an alternate future (but also still contradicting details from the older stories, likely due to Claremont's influence on Davis during this time) and Ahab was going across timelines hunting for Rachel, which doesn't make much sense.

Anyone think the Maker will show up?

Out of the FF Sue will likely be the hardest person to convince. I wonder what her stance will be on all of this considering last time:

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[QUOTE=Tycon;4657490]Anyone think the Maker will show up?[/QUOTE]

Doubt it. He doesn't add anything to the story.
He hasn't even interacted with the FF, which is weird considering he's an alt Reed.

[QUOTE=Crimz;4657621]Out of the FF Sue will likely be the hardest person to convince. I wonder what her stance will be on all of this considering last time:

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Doubt it. He doesn't add anything to the story.
He hasn't even interacted with the FF, which is weird considering he's an alt Reed.[/QUOTE]

With Sue being apprehensive already with what Xavier was doing with Krako, I can’t see her wanting Franklin involved in any capacity. Maybe she’ll play the ‘uninformed “ally”’ who might get a crash course in just how necessary it is that mutants stans together now more than ever. But I don’t think she’ll let Franklin be a permanent resident on Krakoa.

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He can serve as a villain since there really isn’t one in the story. Besides, if he’s bowing out of the Venom saga, then I can see him finding Krakoa as something he wants to exploit.

Seems you're right. Doom will be involved.

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[I]
X-MEN/FANTASTIC FOUR #2 (OF 4)

CHIP ZDARSKY (W) • TERRY DODSON (A/C)

VARIANT COVER BY MARK BROOKS

FLOWER VARIANT COVER BY MEGHAN HETRICK

VARIANT COVER BY CHRIS ELIOPOULOS[/I]


[B]The world has been re-shaped by the X-MEN. But you can’t reshape a world without encountering its true master … DOOM..[/B]

Bring on Namor everyone else is supremely uninteresting.

Going by his Daredevil, I'm absolutely certain Zdarsky will tell an interesting story, but it really isn't one I'm interested in reading and I'm not a fan of the Dodson's art.

Doom vs Marvel Girl, Who wore it better?

[QUOTE=Dante Milton;4698983]Doom vs Marvel Girl, Who wore it better?[/QUOTE]

Metal thighs are hot.

[QUOTE=tuck frump;4698966]Bring on Namor everyone else is supremely uninteresting.[/QUOTE]

Oooh that would make for a nice Cabal reunion.

Seriously, imagine the drama with Namor in this. Plus Storm and Black Panther have been in the FF too and have heavy connections with both teams.
Black Panther, Namor, Doom, Sue and Reed in the same room with the Krakoan Quadrangle mutants. It's either sex or war.

[QUOTE=tuck frump;4698966]Bring on Namor everyone else is supremely uninteresting.[/QUOTE]

Namor should definitely be in this mini.

I'm confused as when this takes place. Xavier and the FF have their current look; but all the other X-Men are in older looks.

Dr. Doom is probably mad because the Krakoa flowers are on his Land.....

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4699068]Dr. Doom is probably mad because the Krakoa flowers are on his Land.....[/QUOTE]

Latverians must never have nice things.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4699087]Latverians must never have nice things.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's what happens when you act like Jerks. LOL

One of those covers looks almost ironic the way Kate Pryde is all cute with Franklin, like she's trying to "tempt" him over to Krakoa

Idk how I feel about this crossover, it has potential to really make XMen/mutants seem in the wrong if they're aggressively trying to separate Franklin from his bio fam

Speaking of which it IS odd that more mutants haven't openly refused or declined Krakoa due to other ties with humans they had.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4699121]Well, that's what happens when you act like Jerks. LOL[/QUOTE]

This LS might just be worth it to see Doom put and kept in his place.
He always want to appropriate other people's wealth and resources...Wakanda's vibranium, eg.
If he's so powerful, Mr. hot-shot Scientist and Magic user, he should create his own, bloody hell!

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4699135]This LS might just be worth it to see Doom put and kept in his place.
He always want to appropriate other people's wealth and resources...Wakanda's vibranium, eg.
If he's so powerful, Mr. hot-shot Scientist and Magic user, he should create his own, bloody hell![/QUOTE]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

He can't. I feel like he's limited to what he can do hence why he's ALWAYS trying to profit off other peoples powers and wealth and success.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4699155]HAHAHAHAHAHA

He can't. I feel like he's limited to what he can do hence why he's ALWAYS trying to profit off other peoples powers and wealth and success.[/QUOTE]

Good to know we all can see through Doom.

Even Hickman did a number on him in Secret wars.

The power of the Beyonds and MM at his disposal yet all he could do was take parts of other universes to "rule" over and steal another man's wife with nothing, but a shabby planet to his name and even then he couldn't keep his "subjects" in check or fix his face. His perma scars represent a reflection of his failures as a man, magician, scholar, and ruler.

Truly a pitiable person.

[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4699439]Good to know we all can see through Doom.

Even Hickman did a number on him in Secret wars.

The power of the Beyonds and MM at his disposal yet all he could do was take parts of other universes to "rule" over and steal another man's wife with nothing, but a shabby planet to his name and even then he couldn't keep his "subjects" in check or fix his face. His perma scars represent a reflection of his failures as a man, magician, scholar, and ruler.

Truly a pitiable person.[/QUOTE]

Well Damn....

Yeah, you basically summarized his whole character haha

It's funny how some expect a confrontation between Wakanda and Krakoa or FF and the X-men when there is no reason for it but on the other hand a war between Krakoa and Latveria would be far more plausible and different from the others mentioned earlier I would be much more afraid of facing Doom (he is the kind of person would not want to have as an enemy of my nation).