[QUOTE=hulkling;4810042]Nope the are with their true family the future fundation and eventually they will go back to live the the greatest heroine for them Sue Storm[/QUOTE]
Yikes.....
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[QUOTE=hulkling;4810042]Nope the are with their true family the future fundation and eventually they will go back to live the the greatest heroine for them Sue Storm[/QUOTE]
Yikes.....
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4808825]Honestly, I'm with Reed and Sue on this. If it was just the X-Men alone, I could understand his side, but the Fantastic Four saw first hand what happened with the villains.
Apocalpyse - tried to kill Franklin[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4808825]Mr. Sinister - Literal Nazi. Experimented on children with Dr. Mengele. Wants Franklin's DNA cause duh. Also had henchmen who tried to kill Franklin.[/QUOTE]
Reed has experimented on Franklin. he also routinely keeps people in statis tubes, created a clone of Thor, was instrumental in the creation of prison 42, and convened with the council of reeds (one was a literal nazi).
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[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4808825] Sabretooth - Banished I know, but he also tried to kill Franklin.[/QUOTE]
they've hosted Namor and Doctor Doom; both killers. so far the threats to Krakoa have been from the outside and human.
Anyway, concerning Franklin, Sue and Reed have parental authority.
So, all of this is rather a moot point. ;)
[QUOTE=Zelena;4810293]Anyway, concerning Franklin, Sue and Reed have parental authority.
So, all of this is rather a moot point. ;)[/QUOTE]
More importantly, the FF Editorial dept has ownership of Franklin as an IP/character, so... ;)
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If you use Malice who is a creation of the Psycho-Man as an example, then I can hold the entire X-Men culpable for the genocide of D'Bari. This actually makes the X-Men worse in comparison if anything.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4810235]
Reed has experimented on Franklin. he also routinely keeps people in statis tubes, created a clone of Thor, was instrumental in the creation of prison 42, and convened with the council of reeds (one was a literal nazi).
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While I do agree that Reed's crimes during Civil War are not excusable, the same cannot be said about the Council of Reeds which he disbanded according to 2-in-1 and rebuilt from the ground up. For Sinister, however, he has been active since Victorian England. Just his crime in the 20th Century alone could fill a library from driving a woman to insanity due to his experiments during the 1930s. During 1942, he would preform experiments with Dr. Menegle. Young Magneto had so much distrust for this madman that he would rather clean out burnt pieces of his friends and family. He would continue doing experiments well into the Vietnam War and then to the present day.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4810235]
they've hosted Namor and Doctor Doom; both killers. so far the threats to Krakoa have been from the outside and human.[/QUOTE]
Emma Frost - attempt rapist and possible hebephile, murders horses over teenage girls getting aroused
Selene and Apocalypse - killed so many people that it is legitimately hard to pinpoint their exact body counts since they're that old
Quentin Quire and Glob Herman - their mere existence is a series of war crimes
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4810448]If you use Malice who is a creation of the Psycho-Man as an example, then I can hold the entire X-Men culpable for the genocide of D'Bari. This actually makes the X-Men worse in comparison if anything.
While I do agree that Reed's crimes during Civil War are not excusable, the same cannot be said about the Council of Reeds which he disbanded according to 2-in-1 and rebuilt from the ground up. For Sinister, however, he has been active since Victorian England. Just his crime in the 20th Century alone could fill a library from driving a woman to insanity due to his experiments during the 1930s. During 1942, he would preform experiments with Dr. Menegle. Young Magneto had so much distrust for this madman that he would rather clean out burnt pieces of his friends and family. He would continue doing experiments well into the Vietnam War and then to the present day.
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Emma Frost - attempt rapist and possible hebephile, murders horses over teenage girls getting aroused[/B][/I]
Selene and Apocalypse - killed so many people that it is legitimately hard to pinpoint their exact body counts since they're that old
Quentin Quire and Glob Herman - their mere existence is a series of war crimes[/QUOTE]
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Of all the mutant crimes and criminals you could have listed... At least I learned a new word
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digging these splash pages. the colours + minimalism really work
wasn't expecting kitty to be essentially the protagonist here but it feels right considering her position on the island
So sad this is edited by Brevoort :(
[QUOTE=Maestroneto;4810613]So sad this is edited by Brevoort :([/QUOTE]
Wait.......Bissa, Robinson, and White aren’t anywhere on this. Oh god the X-Men are either gonna come out of this looking badass or being megalomaniacal villains.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4810617]Wait.......Bissa, Robinson, and White aren’t anywhere on this. Oh god the X-Men are either gonna come out of this looking badass or being megalomaniacal villains.[/QUOTE]
Presumably it will be unintentionally the former after attempting the latter.
wait good catch. weird that the x-office is basically a non-factor on a story that's gonna be important to the line ... not even a nod to "head of X"
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Of all the mutant crimes and criminals you could have listed... At least I learned a new word[/QUOTE]
I will not forgive her until she has that horse resurrected!
[QUOTE=Maestroneto;4810620]Presumably it will be unintentionally the former after attempting the latter.[/QUOTE]
Such is the way of all non X-Office uses of the X-Men.
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"Tom Brevoort - Editor"
Might as well skip it already (but not really LMAO). If he's on this, that means Chip's idea was damaging from the go or it will be made into something to portray the X-Men badly.
We were on the verge of greatness. Might still be, but I'll never trust Brevoort.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4810235][img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/120293/7031574-malice.jpg[/img]
Reed has experimented on Franklin. he also routinely keeps people in statis tubes, created a clone of Thor, was instrumental in the creation of prison 42, and convened with the council of reeds (one was a literal nazi).
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Reed said no to the council of Reeds because he loved too much his family and kids to live without them
Krakoa is referred to as a "sacred land".
Can we please admit the religous overtones yet?
[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4810947]Krakoa is referred to as a "sacred land".
Can we please admit the religous overtones yet?[/QUOTE]
And on savage avengers preview kid cable says that humans aren't welcome on Krakoa to Doctor Strange
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Love the design of this.
While the book is about Franklin, it seems like Sue and Kitty will be taking lead in the book. Which is interesting.
Also, I wouldn't worry about the X-Men looking bad for the sake of the FF. Both properties have their film rights back and Marvel is positioning them for big things because of it. It's counter-productive to portray either poorly.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4810962]…it seems like Sue and Kitty will be taking lead in the book. Which is interesting.[/QUOTE]
A disguised mother-in-law daughter-in-law dynamic perhaps?
[QUOTE=Ravin' Ray;4810969]A disguised mother-in-law daughter-in-law dynamic perhaps?[/QUOTE]
Maybe something similar. It makes sense for the biggest pulls from either side being Sue and Kitty.
[QUOTE=PrezValentine;4810915]"Tom Brevoort - Editor"
Might as well skip it already (but not really LMAO). If he's on this, that means Chip's idea was damaging from the go or it will be made into something to portray the X-Men badly.
We were on the verge of greatness. Might still be, but I'll never trust Brevoort.[/QUOTE]
I know the X-Men are a shareable brand and Hickman can’t look over everything, but it seems really shitty that there’s no mention of X-Office interference. I’m sure they were at least made aware but I can only see this ending in the Fantastic Four being “the heroes.” Especially with how much Brevoort loves them.
[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4810947]Krakoa is referred to as a "sacred land".
Can we please admit the religous overtones yet?[/QUOTE]
Hm. I thought the discussion was about fiery planet destroying birds, not out-of-universe blips in comic recaps.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4811118]I know the X-Men are a shareable brand and Hickman can’t look over everything, but it seems really shitty that there’s no mention of X-Office interference. I’m sure they were at least made aware but I can only see this ending in the Fantastic Four being “the heroes.” Especially with how much Brevoort loves them.
Hm. I thought the discussion was about fiery planet destroying birds, not out-of-universe blips in comic recaps.[/QUOTE]
Out of universe? This is an in-continuity story.
There absolutely a spirituality regarding the connection that mutants have with Krakoa. I mean, they’re literally able to resurrect themselves now. But is respect really on the same grounds as worship?
[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4811165]Out of universe? This is an in-continuity story.[/QUOTE]
The recap page.....
[QUOTE=Tycon;4811172]There absolutely a spirituality regarding the connection that mutants have with Krakoa. I mean, they’re literally able to resurrect themselves now. But is respect really on the same grounds as worship?
The recap page.....[/QUOTE]
Which describes how the characters feel about their home. Don't be a Trump lawyer.
[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4811184]Which describes how the characters feel about their home. Don't be a Trump lawyer.[/QUOTE]
And you’re dissecting a part of my reply that wasn’t even what the debate was about. Did I or did I not say there was clearly a spiritual connectivity between Krakoans and Krakoanor are you gonna ignore the paragraph you also happened to quote in your response?
Don’t start stuff if you don’t know what’s going on.
I mean, nothing new under the sun. They've been treating it as something sacred since the beginning. Exodus even made it a law.
Why can't it be sacred for them, btw? It's bringing them together and The Five are resurrecting their friends and loved ones. They don't have to build a cult around it to perceive it as something "sacred" and to preserve at all costs.
[QUOTE=Veitha;4811209]I mean, nothing new under the sun. They've been treating it as something sacred since the beginning. Exodus even made it a law.
Why can't it be sacred for them, btw? It's bringing them together and The Five are resurrecting their friends and loved ones. They don't have to build a cult around it to perceive it as something "sacred" and to preserve at all costs.[/QUOTE]
They be Dhalsim reaching to prove that the mutants are crazy cultists.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4811216]They be Dhalsim reaching to prove that the mutants are crazy cultists.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't it irritate you, though? The actual science v/genetics in X-Men was always a bit 'ehhh,' but under writers like Claremont, Morrison, Whedon, Ellis, and Carey, it strove to be science-fiction over fantasy. In recent years, perhaps starting with AvX, there's been this strain of religious fatalism suffused throughout the material that borders on unbearable, starting with all that Phoenix worshipping crap and now drifting into the five. Keep God out of California and Krakoa, plz.
[QUOTE=Ravin' Ray;4810969]A disguised mother-in-law daughter-in-law dynamic perhaps?[/QUOTE]
It would be... amusing if the X-Men's pitch backfires and Sue asks Kitty to join the FF instead.
[QUOTE=Veitha;4811209]I mean, nothing new under the sun. They've been treating it as something sacred since the beginning. Exodus even made it a law.
Why can't it be sacred for them, btw? It's bringing them together and The Five are resurrecting their friends and loved ones. They don't have to build a cult around it to perceive it as something "sacred" and to preserve at all costs.[/QUOTE]
What are the mutants without Krakoa, now? They are completely dependent of this tree, island: there is an almost complete identification…
[QUOTE=Marvelman;4811256]It would be... amusing if the X-Men's pitch backfires and Sue asks Kitty to join the FF instead.[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere that Claremont actually wanted Kitty—no wait she goes by Kate now—to have a prominent role in his FF run when they and the Avengers returned to 616 after Heroes Reborn, sort of making her a supporting character, but that got shot down, hence Valeria von Doom as Marvel Girl.
But Sue saying that wouldn't be out of character. She's been a mother figure to the two young Atlantean heirs and Artie and Leech as well as Anya Corazon aka Araña. But with a much older Kate this time.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4810962]Love the design of this.
While the book is about Franklin, it seems like Sue and Kitty will be taking lead in the book. Which is interesting.
Also, I wouldn't worry about the X-Men looking bad for the sake of the FF. Both properties have their film rights back and Marvel is positioning them for big things because of it. It's counter-productive to portray either poorly.[/QUOTE]
The X-Men won't look bad for the sake of the FF, they'll look bad for the sake of Brevoort's personal tastes.
After the "hey, you know who was just like Hitler? Cyclops!" thing, I'll always expect the worse whenever he's involved.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4811118]Hm. I thought the discussion was about fiery planet destroying birds, not out-of-universe blips in comic recaps.[/QUOTE]
It can be about more than one thing.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4811172]There absolutely a spirituality regarding the connection that mutants have with Krakoa. I mean, they’re literally able to resurrect themselves now. But is respect really on the same grounds as worship?[/QUOTE]
When "respect" is prefaced with "spiritual", then yes.
[QUOTE=LordUltimus;4811543]It can be about more than one thing.[/QUOTE]
Neither are akin to the Inhumans. Finding solice in the very thing that gives you your power is one thing, but putting that above the lives of people then the comparison starts to fall apart (even if the words may be the same).
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[QUOTE]When "respect" is prefaced with "spiritual", then yes.[/QUOTE]
Worship usually denotes unconditional love.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4811553]Worship usually denotes unconditional love.[/QUOTE]
More unquestionable belief to behave in the only way possible.
I'm uninterested in another FF X-Men battle.
I am interested in seeing the X-Men take on the Fantastic Four villains.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4811553]Neither are akin to the Inhumans. Finding solice in the very thing that gives you your power is one thing, but putting that above the lives of people then the comparison starts to fall apart (even if the words may be the same).
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Worship usually denotes unconditional love.[/QUOTE]
Please Marvel turn Synapse into a mutant or make her have an appearance in the Cable book. I loved Emily.
[QUOTE=Veitha;4811582]Please Marvel turn Synapse into a mutant or make her have an appearance in the Cable book. I loved Emily.[/QUOTE]
Step 1: retcon Synapse into being a mutant
Step 2: introduce Synapse as Cable’s tutor in the arts of telepathy and lie detection
Step 3: whenever Cable becomes a geriatric crouton again, bring up that her journey of rescuing and training Synapse was always connected
Step 4: launch a “Cable & Synapse” mini
Remember when Synapse fought with the Inhumans in IvX