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[QUOTE=Kusanagi;4706371]That would be insanely risky at best. Doom's been a big part of the marvel universe for a while, no telling what removing him from the past might do.[/QUOTE]
But if your in war and playing for keeps, and willing to go as far as any other piece on the table. does it matter? Doom hasn't had that much of a direct impact on mutant lives unless they pllan on retconing history. Iif eva got rid of him mutants could potentially claim a win with Decimation never happening.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706335]Heck now that i think about it all the x-men have to do to win a battle is use their top telepaths to turn the everyday people against the monarchs and governments. They will be so busy dealing with them they won't have time to see what is coming. I think people underestimate the mutants because we know they will never go there.[/QUOTE]
Telepathy is the power most easy to block , you only need a helmet , trained mental defenses or a telepathy blocker of some type.
And all mutants powers can be easily eliminated with power dampeners or nanites like we have seen in Marauders 1 and in HoX. Even the omegas like storm or Icenan can be depowered easily.
If people of Latveria turns against him he just need to cast a spell to free them of the mind control.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706402]But if your in war and playing for keeps, and willing to go as far as any other piece on the table. does it matter? Doom hasn't had that much of a direct impact on mutant lives unless they pllan on retconing history. Iif eva got rid of him mutants could potentially claim a win with Decimation never happening.[/QUOTE]
And The beyonders would have destroyed the multiverse. Plus he probably has doombots in the past protecting his younger self . He created the first time machine if the MU after all.
And Tempus would need to pass over his mother, a powerful witch
[QUOTE=hulkling;4706427]Telepathy is the power most easy to block , you only need a helmet , trained mental defenses or a telepathy blocker of some type.
And all mutants powers can be easily eliminated with power dampeners or nanites like we have seen in Marauders 1 and in HoX. Even the omegas like storm or Icenan can be depowered easily.
If people of Latveria turns against him he just need to cast a spell to free them of the mind control.[/QUOTE]
He said everyday people. Everyday people dont have helmets or trained mental defenses. We just saw Emma used Cerebro to make the entire world forget mutants existed
[QUOTE=Havok83;4706433]He said everyday people. Everyday people dont have helmets or trained mental defenses. We just saw Emma used Cerebro to make the entire world forget mutants existed[/QUOTE]
And that lasted 5 minutes, because everyone with mental resistance or immunity would fight back
[QUOTE=Veitha;4706339]I mean, I'm not saying they can't beat him, but he has access to amazing magic and tech, including time travelt tech. Underestimating him would lead to a X-Force like situation.[/QUOTE]
And Krakoa has Magik, Forge, Captain Britain, Storm, Tempus, etc.
[QUOTE=Kusanagi;4706371]That would be insanely risky at best. Doom's been a big part of the marvel universe for a while, no telling what removing him from the past might do.[/QUOTE]
But the argument was that he has access to time travel too. So how is it safe if he does it but risky for them?
Put on an equal ground they would take him down easily.
[QUOTE=hulkling;4706441]And that lasted 5 minutes, because everyone with mental resistance or immunity would fight back[/QUOTE]
it lasted several days but not bc of that but bc Cyclops made the decision to have it reversed. Point is the mutants have the means to create a huge distraction that would give them the oppurtunity to strike
Doom at his most powerful snapped the neck of the representation of the X-Men at their most powerful.
Then again, might have been a Doombot.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4706443]And Krakoa has Magik, Forge, Captain Britain, Storm, Tempus, etc.
But the argument was that he has access to time travel too. So how is it safe if he does it but risky for them?
Put on an equal ground they would take him down easily.[/QUOTE]
Because he knows what he is doing when he time travels, he has traveled to thousands of alternate futures while Tempus barely knows how to travel to the future. When she tried to find their family she discovered that she couldn’t access to their time line anymore. She is an amateur
Guys guys why are we arguing about this when clearly
[B]ALL HOPE LIES IN DOOM[/B]
[QUOTE=loke13;4706534]Guys guys why are we arguing about this when clearly
[B]ALL HOPE LIES IN DOOM[/B][/QUOTE]
I'd love to see a scene in an upcoming X-Book where someone asks Magneto where he's been and he says something like:
"I had a meeting with Victor von Doom."
"Why?"
"To get some consulting advice on running a nation while being hated and feared by the world."
".... and?"
"It didn't go very well."
[QUOTE=loke13;4706534]Guys guys why are we arguing about this when clearly
[B]ALL HOPE LIES IN DOOM[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]Damn it Hope, What have you done now?[/B]
[B]Here are some more things to come from the upcoming book:[/B]
So Incoming seems to reveal that Sinister may have a hand in all of this which is interesting. He may be the villain of the book and I wonder how if it will effect his relationship with Krakoa if he goes too far.
The cover for #3:
[IMG]https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL147580?type=1[/IMG]
Mark Brooks showed this work-in-progress on twitter:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENO3YgfUYAEOYHX?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]
[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBrooksArt/status/1212514364730810368[/url]
And finally, Chip Zdarsky gave us this sneak peek lol:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENNF9iwWwAQxLd7?format=png&name=large[/IMG]
[url]https://twitter.com/zdarsky/status/1212389654827294723[/url]
So there is a fight happening after all.
With the Hickmandate, the X-Men cannot lose this battle. The F4 (and Doom) are killed, their respective Marvel Comics titles cancelled, Franklin is conditioned to go to Krakoa and accept mutankind as his only family, Kate makes him a MAN, and Sinister gets his ultra-rare Chimera ingredient DNA.
[I]And that was my HoxPoxDox-berserk trigger acting up again. Since my paltry reasons for describing Krakoa have long been unraveled by supporters' logic, I've been reduced to just disliking the standing SQ for dislike's sake. Look, some things are great, but there are simply core concepts of HoxPoxDox that make me not like it, no matter how the X-church hammers my head with the [U]right[/U] interpretation. All the same, I have been locked in a Quixote mode for the X-franchise, so in defiance of well-meaning advice that I stop reading and following up until maybe next decade, I can never walk away from the X (anymore), no matter how much specific current developments pain my soul.[/I]
Oh for gods sake.
The F4 and Doom are not going to be killed, not when they have their MCU debut coming up and, more importantly, the 2099 event still ongoing.
At most I can see Franklin becoming disillusioned with superheroes and joining Krakoa, setting the stage for further conflict down the road, seeing as Sinister has a habit of his experiments backfiring.
[QUOTE=king of hybrids;4760249]Oh for gods sake.
The F4 and Doom are not going to be killed, not when they have their MCU debut coming up and, more importantly, the 2099 event still ongoing.
At most I can see Franklin becoming disillusioned with superheroes and joining Krakoa, setting the stage for further conflict down the road, seeing as Sinister has a habit of his experiments backfiring.[/QUOTE]
This is Londo their go to is long winded dismissive sarcasm anytime something Krakoa related pops up. Best to just ignore them.
[QUOTE=king of hybrids;4760249]Oh for gods sake.
The F4 and Doom are not going to be killed, not when they have their MCU debut coming up and, more importantly, the 2099 event still ongoing.
At most I can see [B]Franklin becoming disillusioned with superheroes and joining Krakoa[/B], setting the stage for further conflict down the road, seeing as Sinister has a habit of his experiments backfiring.[/QUOTE]
Are you game for Kate becoming Franklin's first and introducing him to the wondrous decadence of Krakoan polyamory?
[QUOTE=Londo Bellian;4760281]Are you game for Kate becoming Franklin's first and introducing him to the wondrous decadence of Krakoan polyamory?[/QUOTE]
While foolish life choices while drunk seems to be Kate’s go-to thing these days; she’s in her late twenties and he’s a teenager. If the Quiet Council really needs a honeypot they have literal legions of teenagers his age of both/variable genders to work with before they step into creepy stuff.
Besides, it would probably make things with Rachel awkward.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4760059][B]Here are some more things to come from the upcoming book:[/B]
Mark Brooks showed this work-in-progress on twitter:
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENO3YgfUYAEOYHX?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]
[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBrooksArt/status/1212514364730810368[/url][/QUOTE]
That seems to accompany this:
[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBrooksArt/status/1208149394215915520[/url]
I guess its a four covers connecting piece?
So who's missing? Jean, Emma, The Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Valeria, Franklin...?
[QUOTE=RamaBird;4760442]That seems to accompany this:
[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBrooksArt/status/1208149394215915520[/url]
I guess its a four covers connecting piece?
So who's missing? Jean, Emma, The Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Valeria, Franklin...?[/QUOTE]
I think that's the top of Franklin's head below Sue and Xavier.
I hope this becomes a poster. I would [B]instantly[/B] buy it.
[QUOTE=king of hybrids;4760249]Oh for gods sake.
The F4 and Doom are not going to be killed, not when they have their MCU debut coming up and, more importantly, the 2099 event still ongoing.
At most I can see Franklin becoming disillusioned with superheroes and joining Krakoa, setting the stage for further conflict down the road, seeing as Sinister has a habit of his experiments backfiring.[/QUOTE]
I hate that you're probably right. I just wind up thinking "Alright, but why do these two good teams have to be at each other's throats?"
Like they want the same frigging thing more or less (ya know, more peace less evil,) can they not just find a frigging compromise? Just [I]hating[/I] how hard the "Us VS Them" thing is gonna be pushed 'cos ya know everyone's just gonna come out looking like an arse.
[QUOTE=Londo Bellian;4760281]Are you game for Kate becoming Franklin's first and introducing him to the wondrous decadence of Krakoan polyamory?[/QUOTE]
1. Kate would break him.
2. She's not a pedo and she's a grown woman now.
3. Rachel and Yana get new Kate's box first.
[QUOTE=Londo Bellian;4760281]Are you game for Kate becoming Franklin's first and introducing him to the wondrous decadence of Krakoan polyamory?[/QUOTE]
Franklin is off-limits to any non X-teen except for his betrothed Rachel.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4761237]1. [B]Kate would break him[/B].[/QUOTE]
For sure!
[QUOTE]2. She's not a pedo and she's a grown woman now.[/QUOTE]
That's Betsy and Rahne's style, not Kate's. Likes them older.
[QUOTE]3. Rachel and Yana get new Kate's box first.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and then Xi'an gets sloppy thirds.
Will Johnny and Rogue reminisce about their romance in Uncanny Avengers?
Girl's married already. She probably doesn't even remember, or just eager to forget, which is easier because she never added an A-logo to her costume during her tenure.
I know Mutants are all about forgiving the past and moving forward...I’m still super bitter over Johnny betraying his friends and family for some coochie.
[img] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aX1HLoykdfrSnIOsOU-xHzEQzB_ybnGVLb0nNaMQi-8ytG5o7i_tosJl-6WKLheTP5SvN-NQsJhvtNsAHfMQucPaCyDeIEFX9hYbAeakZFzpSOxZRWoccHDxbtPCEqisYb6DwA=s800[/img][img] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ObKrStdCkzc9OsAMpGGqZRbNG2bdNYuyvRJaqP-Npw6KL4GH_6L_OiSjRV1gSUTpD04C4EA1kHCoNsudSjovApGIWsrfxnHzoCqzi_EviIFmLqAeqVZB8zmfZMivko3dH-qDxg=s900[/img]
[QUOTE=Tycon;4761746]I know Mutants are all about forgiving the past and moving forward...I’m still super bitter over Johnny betraying his friends and family for some coochie.
[img] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aX1HLoykdfrSnIOsOU-xHzEQzB_ybnGVLb0nNaMQi-8ytG5o7i_tosJl-6WKLheTP5SvN-NQsJhvtNsAHfMQucPaCyDeIEFX9hYbAeakZFzpSOxZRWoccHDxbtPCEqisYb6DwA=s800[/img][img] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ObKrStdCkzc9OsAMpGGqZRbNG2bdNYuyvRJaqP-Npw6KL4GH_6L_OiSjRV1gSUTpD04C4EA1kHCoNsudSjovApGIWsrfxnHzoCqzi_EviIFmLqAeqVZB8zmfZMivko3dH-qDxg=s900[/img][/QUOTE]
The same event where Johnny did the J-O-B to Sabertooth. Yeeeah, [I]Sabertooth [/I]can beat the human torch. Great writing, Marvel.
[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4761756]The same event where Johnny did the J-O-B to Sabertooth. Yeeeah, [I]Sabertooth [/I]can beat the human torch. Great writing, Marvel.[/QUOTE]
Sabretooth is the GOAT what are you talking about? He could gut MM if he wanted to.
[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4761756]The same event where Johnny did the J-O-B to Sabertooth. Yeeeah, [I]Sabertooth [/I]can beat the human torch. Great writing, Marvel.[/QUOTE]
IvX made some “interesting” decisions and because of those “interesting” decisions, I’m sure Zdarsky will never reference this event but like...Johnny needs to get his ass beat, Krakoan-style.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4761746]I know Mutants are all about forgiving the past and moving forward...I’m still super bitter over Johnny betraying his friends and family for some coochie.
[img] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aX1HLoykdfrSnIOsOU-xHzEQzB_ybnGVLb0nNaMQi-8ytG5o7i_tosJl-6WKLheTP5SvN-NQsJhvtNsAHfMQucPaCyDeIEFX9hYbAeakZFzpSOxZRWoccHDxbtPCEqisYb6DwA=s800[/img][img] https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ObKrStdCkzc9OsAMpGGqZRbNG2bdNYuyvRJaqP-Npw6KL4GH_6L_OiSjRV1gSUTpD04C4EA1kHCoNsudSjovApGIWsrfxnHzoCqzi_EviIFmLqAeqVZB8zmfZMivko3dH-qDxg=s900[/img][/QUOTE]
I chalk it up to him being very depressed and not making sound decisions due to thinking his family was dead. Around this time he was also putting his life in jeapordy because of his depression.
The Medusa thing was bad and that entire relationship was based on him being sad and her on the rebound. It was a mess.
[QUOTE=Handsome men don't lose fights;4761756]The same event where Johnny did the J-O-B to Sabertooth. Yeeeah, [I]Sabertooth [/I]can beat the human torch. Great writing, Marvel.[/QUOTE]
Sabretooth probably could or at least put up a tough as Hell battle. Sadly he's been dead for 17 years. Jobbertooth can't beat anyone. Lol If he's written properly he has very credible feats. Just sad we don't see them anymore...
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4761762]Sabretooth is the GOAT what are you talking about? He could gut MM if he wanted to.[/QUOTE]
Torch survived an Annihilation Wave and made Annihilus his pet. He would do the same with Sabretooth.
[QUOTE=Tycon;4761823]Johnny needs to get his ass beat, Krakoan-style.[/QUOTE]
So you want to give Johnny, who was protecting evacuating NuHumans from Sabretooth, and later counterattacked the X-Men together with Crystal on Medusa's orders, a disproportionately heavy punishment?
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4761237]1. Kate would break him.
2. She's not a pedo and she's a grown woman now.
3. Rachel and Yana get new Kate's box first.[/QUOTE]
4. Dats Rachel's man
[QUOTE=Ravin' Ray;4761894]So you want to give Johnny, who was protecting evacuating NuHumans from Sabretooth, and later counterattacked the X-Men together with Crystal on Medusa's orders, a disproportionately heavy punishment?[/QUOTE]
Mostly because he was acting like Medusa's soy boy.
[QUOTE=kevinism;4762055]4. Dats Rachel's man[/QUOTE]After all these years you don't think she's over him?
[QUOTE=Londo Bellian;4760281]Are you game for Kate becoming Franklin's first and introducing him to the wondrous decadence of Krakoan polyamory?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kevinism;4762055]4. Dats Rachel's man[/QUOTE]
I think current Franklin probably has more in common with Hope then Katty or Rachel
[QUOTE=king of hybrids;4760402]While foolish life choices while drunk seems to be Kate’s go-to thing these days; she’s in her [B]late twenties[/B] and he’s a teenager. If the Quiet Council really needs a honeypot they have literal legions of teenagers his age of both/variable genders to work with before they step into creepy stuff.
[/QUOTE]
Kate is lucky to be 21 at this point given the sliding timescale and the fact its barely been 10 years since the O5 were united. Scott and Jean et al are still in their late 20's.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4762059]Mostly because he was acting like Medusa's soy boy.[/QUOTE]
Eh, to each his/her own.
That aside, the proposed punishment (if deserved at all) is not proportionate.
[QUOTE=Ravin' Ray;4762073]Eh, to each his/her own.
That aside, the proposed punishment (if deserved at all) is not proportionate.[/QUOTE]
He just needs to fist fight Ororo. No powers, no weapons, no help. Ten three minute rounds since he's in shape.
Sound pretty fair, no?
Yeah I wasn’t really focusing on Sabretooth, moreso his involvement in the war overall, followed up by him claiming he was acting neutral in it all.