[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4762083]He just needs to fist fight Ororo. No powers, no weapons, no help. Ten three minute rounds since he's in shape.
Sound pretty fair, no?[/QUOTE]
Is that fair? She would eat him alive. He should fight Iceman :D
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[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4762083]He just needs to fist fight Ororo. No powers, no weapons, no help. Ten three minute rounds since he's in shape.
Sound pretty fair, no?[/QUOTE]
Is that fair? She would eat him alive. He should fight Iceman :D
[QUOTE=starduck;4762096]Is that fair? She would eat him alive. He should fight Iceman :D[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Ororo would kill him. Bobby vs. Johnny. No powers. No clothes. Oiled. Film at eleven.
[QUOTE=starduck;4762096]Is that fair? She would eat him alive. He should fight Iceman :D[/QUOTE]
Ororo was leading when he chose to side with the red demoness so it's only right...
Speaking of fights.
Seeing as this is a superhero crossover, they are bound to fight because of misunderstandings or whatever.
Who do you think will fight who? And how do you think it will go? We already know Reed and Logan get into a little scrap at least.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4762184]Speaking of fights.
Seeing as this is a superhero crossover, they are bound to fight because of misunderstandings or whatever.
Who do you think will fight who? And how do you think it will go? We already know Reed and Logan get into a little scrap at least.[/QUOTE]
Jean vs Susan could be fun.
Valeria vs Emma in a verbal fight could be fun too.
Would Franklin implicitly being Kang/Rama-Tut’s ancestor cause any awkwardness with -]Ā[-?
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4762136]Agreed. Ororo would kill him. Bobby vs. Johnny. No powers. No clothes. Oiled. Film at eleven.[/QUOTE]
Iceman can block Torch powers at the source like he did Sunfire. He would end him in a blink. They should kiss instead of fight anyway.
Just thinking what if Rachel dies and is reborn on Krakoa young enough to date Frank.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4762340]Iceman can block Torch powers at the source like he did Sunfire. He would end him in a blink. They should kiss instead of fight anyway.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know the true powers of the Human Torch are termokinesis rather than just fire generation. In a fight they should be equal. Would be funny.
and yes please, forget Christian Frost Icetorch is the ship that we deserve. Even is implied that Daken and Storm had an affair in the past but Marvel isnt ready to out him as bisexual .. yet
[QUOTE=danielsan52;4762362]Just thinking what if Rachel dies and is reborn on Krakoa young enough to date Frank.[/QUOTE]
whose creepy idea would it be to resurrect her as a child?
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762367]As far as I know the true powers of the Human Torch are termokinesis rather than just fire generation. In a fight they should be equal. Would be funny.
and yes please, forget Christian Frost Icetorch is the ship that we deserve. Even is implied that Daken and Storm had an affair in the past but Marvel isnt ready to out him as bisexual .. yet[/QUOTE]
So the same as Bobby except opposite. And not unlimited. Iceman chemically blocked Sunfire body from producing a spark to light himself up. He'd eat Johnny alive and he should.
Ororo would shut Johnny down way before it got to that.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4762377]whose creepy idea would it be to resurrect her as a child?[/QUOTE]
Scott and Jean are acting creepy enough to do so, lol
Otherwise it would be equally if not more creepy for adult Rachel to date Franks. By the time he is 20 she would be close to 40
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4762403]So the same as Bobby except opposite. And not unlimited. Iceman chemically blocked Sunfire body from producing a spark to light himself up. He'd eat Johnny alive and he should.[/QUOTE]
Again he doesn’t need to create a spark, he just can increase the temperature in a room controlling the vibration of molecules the same that Bobby. Sunfire just can absorbe the solar radiation but Johnny is full if cosmic energy , he can create limitless heat.
[QUOTE=danielsan52;4762446]Scott and Jean are acting creepy enough to do so, lol
Otherwise it would be equally if not more creepy for adult Rachel to date Franks. By the time he is 20 she would be close to 40[/QUOTE]
it's Franklin. he could disappear on a mission and return as an adult; no problem. we've already seen teen-Franklin lead a team in the 616.
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762454]Again he doesn’t need to create a spark, he just can increase the temperature in a room controlling the vibration of molecules the same that Bobby. Sunfire just can absorbe the solar radiation but Johnny is full if cosmic energy , he can create limitless heat.[/QUOTE]
Right. People forget Johnny can control heat as well as flames. One hardly used power of his is that he can absorb heat around him, causing things to freeze.
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[QUOTE=hulkling;4762454]Again he doesn’t need to create a spark, he just can increase the temperature in a room controlling the vibration of molecules the same that Bobby. Sunfire just can absorbe the solar radiation but Johnny is full if cosmic energy , he can create limitless heat.[/QUOTE]
And bobbys power is also temperature control. To an unlimited level. By the new definition of omega, no one has surpassed it so the point still stands.
Bobby and Johnny cancel out each other's powers, so they both decide to just fool around instead. Make it happen Zdarsky, I believe in you!
my bet is on one jobbing to the other. and, in that scenario, it's going to be Johnny who comes out on top.
[QUOTE=Dante Milton;4762648]Bobby and Johnny cancel out each other's powers, so they both decide to just fool around instead. Make it happen Zdarsky, I believe in you![/QUOTE]
LOL. Thanks to Daken, Johnny is a little bi-curious so I wouldn't mind it. Maybe they could talk about him
[QUOTE=Dante Milton;4762648]Bobby and Johnny cancel out each other's powers, so they both decide to just fool around instead. Make it happen Zdarsky, I believe in you![/QUOTE]
The only thing Johnny is going to cancel is his premium grindr account.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4762666]my bet is on one jobbing to the other. and, in that scenario, it's going to be Johnny who comes out on top.[/QUOTE]
Honey neither of them have ever been on top. Enter Daken.
Johnny can't beat Bobby. He struggles absorbing heat when near the sun, no way he defeats an Omega even if he can control temperatures. By definition of Omega no one manipulates temperatures better than Bobby too.
I wonder what happens with Force Fields vs Telekinesis instead.
[QUOTE=Veitha;4762676]Johnny can't beat Bobby. He struggles absorbing heat when near the sun, no way he defeats an Omega even if he can control temperatures. By definition of Omega no one manipulates temperatures better than Bobby too.
I wonder what happens with Force Fields vs Telekinesis instead.[/QUOTE]
No , Bobby is Omega in NEGATIVE temperature control , no one can decrease temperature better than him . But no one said anything about raising them and cancel his powers. Right now there isnt any mutant with Omega positive control of temperatures, probably because all pirokinetic mutants are bellow Johnny
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4762673]The only thing Johnny is going to cancel is his premium grindr account.
Honey neither of them have ever been on top. Enter Daken.[/QUOTE]
lol. that's most likely true. but Johnny's a married guy or something, now. i dropped that title after the second issue.
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762690]No , Bobby is Omega in NEGATIVE temperature control , no one can decrease temperature better than him . But no one said anything about raising them and cancel his powers. Right now there isnt any mutant with Omega positive control of temperatures, probably because all pirokinetic mutants are bellow Johnny[/QUOTE]
when was that proven? Pyro is at full health now. i don't remember anyone testing that out.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4762693]lol. that's most likely true. but Johnny's a married guy or something, now. i dropped that title after the second issue.[/QUOTE]
Even Reed and Sue know that will not last.
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762697]Even Reed and Sue know that will not last.[/QUOTE]
you never know. she could get a sex change to meet him halfway.
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762690]No , Bobby is Omega in NEGATIVE temperature control , no one can decrease temperature better than him . But no one said anything about raising them and cancel his powers. Right now there isnt any mutant with Omega positive control of temperatures, probably because all pirokinetic mutants are bellow Johnny[/QUOTE]
I still think that if Bobby tried to lower temperatures while Johnny tried to raise them Bobby would win by feats alone. Bobby froze Hell and he's displayed so much control plus his physical form cannot be harmed.
Dan Slott teasing that something important was happening with Johnny only to marry him off with some alien was truly the worst case of gaybaiting in recent times. Zdarsky is a real Daken/Johnny stan tho so maybe he could bring the goods
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762690]No , Bobby is Omega in NEGATIVE temperature control , no one can decrease temperature better than him . But no one said anything about raising them and cancel his powers. Right now there isnt any mutant with Omega positive control of temperatures, probably because all pirokinetic mutants are bellow Johnny[/QUOTE]
Johnny isn't a mutant, his (and any other non mutant) power levels do not affect Omega classification.
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Honey neither of them have ever been on top. Enter Daken.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that be Daken enters?
[QUOTE=nandes;4762707]Dan Slott teasing that something important was happening with Johnny only to marry him off with some alien was truly the worst case of gaybaiting in recent times. Zdarsky is a real Daken/Johnny stan tho so maybe he could bring the goods[/QUOTE]
Plus that time he actually visited the LGBTQ Marvel Appreciation thread.
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762690]No , Bobby is Omega in NEGATIVE temperature control , no one can decrease temperature better than him . But no one said anything about raising them and cancel his powers. Right now there isnt any mutant with Omega positive control of temperatures, probably because all pirokinetic mutants are bellow Johnny[/QUOTE]
The amount of braincells I lost reading this counts in the negative. If he can lower temperatures to an infinite level he trumps someone who can increase temperatures to a limited level.
[QUOTE=Dante Milton;4762711]Wouldn't that be Daken enters?[/QUOTE]
May the spirit of Stan Lee hear our prayer.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4762695]when was that proven? Pyro is at full health now. i don't remember anyone testing that out.[/QUOTE]
Pyre cant control temperature,not even generate fire . He just can manipulate fire, another power of Johnny, he can give fire form too. In the wiki says that Pyro needs to concentrate in his fire creations all time to prevent them to reverese to normal flames , while johnny can left his creations at least 3 minutes without a think anout them.
Obviously Pyro has a better control but I think thats just because he had to work in his control over fire to make his powers useful while Johnny an incredible range of powers related with fire. Technically he can use Sunspot plasma powers too.
[QUOTE=Dante Milton;4762711]Johnny isn't a mutant, his (and any other non mutant) power levels do not affect Omega classification.
Wouldn't that be Daken enters?[/QUOTE]
Yes, if a human surpasses an omega in his power then he cant be an omega. that was the reason why Forge was out of the list
Match is the closest the X-Men have to their own Human Torch. I would actually love to see them fight.
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[QUOTE=tuck frump;4762722]The amount of braincells I lost reading this counts in the negative. If he can lower temperatures to an infinite level he trumps someone who can increase temperatures to a limited level.
May the spirit of Stan Lee hear our prayer.[/QUOTE]
You can not decrease temperature to an infinite level, there isnt anything bellow the absolute 0. The classification of Omega only says that no one can decrease temperature better than him. And you are asuming that Johnny has any limit increasing temperatures. You can pressume that any mutant who isnt omega at his power is because there is a human who surpasses them but humans arent classified as Omega
[QUOTE=hulkling;4762741]You can not decrease temperature to an infinite level, there isnt anything bellow the absolute 0. The classification of Omega only says that no one can decrease temperature better than him. And you are asuming that Johnny has any limit increasing temperatures. You can pressume that any mutant who isnt omega at his power is because there is a human who surpasses them but humans arent classified as Omega[/QUOTE]
But if you go by feats and what has happened on page Bobby has done many impressive things and has got a lot of talk of unlimited potential, while Johnny struggled a lot against a lot of people in the past (including dealing with the heat in space in Uncanny Avengers which Bobby would have done with no effort).
[QUOTE=Veitha;4762742]But if you go by feats and what has happened on page Bobby has done many impressive things and has got a lot of talk of unlimited potential, while Johnny struggled a lot against a lot of people in the past (including dealing with the heat in space in Uncanny Avengers which Bobby would have done with no effort).[/QUOTE]
Just because he is used more than iceman. And after Secret Wars his powers where weaker until the fantastic four came back. The Fantastic four power are symbiotic, when they are in different universes their cosmic energy begin to decrease. they needs each other in the same universe
I thought the trial fight was mano a mano? Not that it matters since Ororo would smoke him either way. I just think IceTorch duking it out would be more amusing and possibly the start of something else ;)
[QUOTE=starduck;4762786]I thought the trial fight was mano a mano? Not that it matters since Ororo would smoke him either way. I just think IceTorch duking it out would be more amusing and possibly the start of something else ;)[/QUOTE]
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