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[QUOTE=Veitha;4706223]I don't think mutants should underestimate Doom. He's a beast. Last time someone as powerful as Le Fey tried to get at him he just sent her back to prehistoric times.[/QUOTE]
Didnt he need the Dark Avengers assist for that?
Its irrelevant how potentt he is if facing an entire species of superpowered individuals.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4706259]Didnt he need the Dark Avengers assist for that?
Its irrelevant how potentt he is if facing an entire species of superpowered individuals.[/QUOTE]
He did because he got ambushed and just got out of HAMMER jail. As soon as he got in control of the situation he won easily.
Of course he won't win in a direct confrontation, but it's not like he'd do that. He's the kind of guy that releases airborne Legacy virus through magic on the island.
[QUOTE=Veitha;4706272]He did because he got ambushed and just got out of HAMMER jail. As soon as he got in control of the situation he won easily.
Of course he won't win in a direct confrontation, but it's not like he'd do that. He's the kind of guy that releases airborne Legacy virus through magic on the island.[/QUOTE]
But prep or not if we are being serious/serious where both are sides are willing to go exactly as far as the other he doesn't stand a chance. You have magneto rip his helmet and armor off and Xavier/Jean reduce his mind to nothing. You don't even need to call in the other big guns. Victor's cunning has always fell victim to who is writing it and what their motivation is. He is capable but in a War far from infallable. Mutants ALWAYS hold back. Always.
Heck now that i think about it all the x-men have to do to win a battle is use their top telepaths to turn the everyday people against the monarchs and governments. They will be so busy dealing with them they won't have time to see what is coming. I think people underestimate the mutants because we know they will never go there.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706302]But prep or not if we are being serious/serious where both are sides are willing to go exactly as far as the other he doesn't stand a chance. You have magneto rip his helmet and armor off and Xavier/Jean reduce his mind to nothing. You don't even need to call in the other big guns. Victor's cunning has always fell victim to who is writing it and what their motivation is. He is capable but in a War far from infallable. Mutants ALWAYS hold back. Always.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I'm not saying they can't beat him, but he has access to amazing magic and tech, including time travelt tech. Underestimating him would lead to a X-Force like situation.
Have the X-Men forgotten that Doom was actually responsible for M-day, and not Wanda?
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706335]Heck now that i think about it all the x-men have to do to win a battle is use their top telepaths to turn the everyday people against the monarchs and governments. They will be so busy dealing with them they won't have time to see what is coming. I think people underestimate the mutants because we know they will never go there.[/QUOTE]
If they used the telepaths and the Omegas at full power humanity doesn't have a chance if not for deus ex machina technology like an anti Phoenix armor.
[QUOTE=cranger;4706340]Have the X-Men forgotten that Doom was actually responsible for M-day, and not Wanda?[/QUOTE]
Kind of a good point about how far he could go lol
[QUOTE=Veitha;4706339]I mean, I'm not saying they can't beat him, but he has access to amazing magic and tech, including time travelt tech. Underestimating him would lead to a X-Force like situation.[/QUOTE]
Eva Bell could go back in time and kill him like they did Matthew Malloy. Make sure his parents never meet.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706357]Eva Bell could go back in time and kill him like they did Matthew Malloy. Make sure his parents never meet.[/QUOTE]
That would be insanely risky at best. Doom's been a big part of the marvel universe for a while, no telling what removing him from the past might do.
[QUOTE=Kusanagi;4706371]That would be insanely risky at best. Doom's been a big part of the marvel universe for a while, no telling what removing him from the past might do.[/QUOTE]
But if your in war and playing for keeps, and willing to go as far as any other piece on the table. does it matter? Doom hasn't had that much of a direct impact on mutant lives unless they pllan on retconing history. Iif eva got rid of him mutants could potentially claim a win with Decimation never happening.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706335]Heck now that i think about it all the x-men have to do to win a battle is use their top telepaths to turn the everyday people against the monarchs and governments. They will be so busy dealing with them they won't have time to see what is coming. I think people underestimate the mutants because we know they will never go there.[/QUOTE]
Telepathy is the power most easy to block , you only need a helmet , trained mental defenses or a telepathy blocker of some type.
And all mutants powers can be easily eliminated with power dampeners or nanites like we have seen in Marauders 1 and in HoX. Even the omegas like storm or Icenan can be depowered easily.
If people of Latveria turns against him he just need to cast a spell to free them of the mind control.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4706402]But if your in war and playing for keeps, and willing to go as far as any other piece on the table. does it matter? Doom hasn't had that much of a direct impact on mutant lives unless they pllan on retconing history. Iif eva got rid of him mutants could potentially claim a win with Decimation never happening.[/QUOTE]
And The beyonders would have destroyed the multiverse. Plus he probably has doombots in the past protecting his younger self . He created the first time machine if the MU after all.
And Tempus would need to pass over his mother, a powerful witch
[QUOTE=hulkling;4706427]Telepathy is the power most easy to block , you only need a helmet , trained mental defenses or a telepathy blocker of some type.
And all mutants powers can be easily eliminated with power dampeners or nanites like we have seen in Marauders 1 and in HoX. Even the omegas like storm or Icenan can be depowered easily.
If people of Latveria turns against him he just need to cast a spell to free them of the mind control.[/QUOTE]
He said everyday people. Everyday people dont have helmets or trained mental defenses. We just saw Emma used Cerebro to make the entire world forget mutants existed
[QUOTE=Havok83;4706433]He said everyday people. Everyday people dont have helmets or trained mental defenses. We just saw Emma used Cerebro to make the entire world forget mutants existed[/QUOTE]
And that lasted 5 minutes, because everyone with mental resistance or immunity would fight back