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[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4703123]No there wouldn't be a new version of Earth if MM didn't hold Dooms hand through the incursions and give him the powers of god so he could make his little patchwork planet.
Franklin saved the multiverse. Doom was limited in scope and vision so he couldn't see past his own shallow desires to be "god" and his weird and long overdone obsession with Susan Richards.[/QUOTE]
Franklin wouldn't even have had any thing to save in the first place. His life raft didn't survive in the chaos of the final incursion. He's not brought back until the Molecule Man gives the powers over to Reed.
Doom didn't have anyone with Franklin's powers. Doctor Strange certainly didn't so they got by with what they had. The flashbacks describe that things were still very chaotic for some years after Battleworld was formed. Once things has settled to a new norm, it did give Doom time for some reflection and he had come to realize that he was not a perfect god and was considering stepping away controlling it all, which he had already began to relinquish to Stephen anyway.
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Molecule Man and the Mad Thinker were tools to help put the puzzle together certainly. But Molecule Man could not have done what Doom did because MM himself was the booby trap set by the Beyonders. To paraphrase Doom he had to become a serial killer of the same man many times over. The Illuminati were thinking too small by handling the incursions after they had begun. Doom figured out that the Beyonders could only move forward in time so he went back in time as part of the plan. No one else, not even The Illuminati never found the source. In the end, their only plan was to save a few dozen people or so in 2 life raft ships and even that didn't work out.
Finally, it is true that he did make a version of Susan his wife but I think it was not just an obsession with her and it was larger than that. Doom lost his family at a young age and was envious of the normalcy of Reed's life.
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Am I the only one more puzzled by the lack of knowing where Artie and Leech are and if the FF have them why Scott is not showing more interest in his former charges?
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[QUOTE=cranger;4705978]Am I the only one more puzzled by the lack of knowing where Artie and Leech are and if the FF have them why Scott is not showing more interest in his former charges?[/QUOTE]
They are with the Future Foundation.
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[QUOTE=cranger;4705978]Am I the only one more puzzled by the lack of knowing where Artie and Leech are and if the FF have them why Scott is not showing more interest in his former charges?[/QUOTE]
Archie is depowered. Xavier is going to kill him now.
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4706036]Archie is depowered. Xavier is going to kill him now.[/QUOTE]
It'd be for the best tho don't ya think?
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[QUOTE=tuck frump;4701493]What threat does he actually pose to Krakoa? Hes mostly always stayed out of mutant business. And for good reasons.[/QUOTE]
He never cared about mutants for the same reason evveryone else didn't. They were unorganised and posed little threat to anyone's plans. If they interfere with the FF4 (particularly Valeria) that might change in a heartbeat.
And remember Doom is a serious danger. He created cannons that took down Galactus, and is able to alter the current timeline with his time machines. He can destroy Krakao by going back in time and kicking Xavier's dad in the balls.
The evil version of Clyde Wyndcham, an omega reality warping mutant, stated that Doom had more potential than he did. This was a guy that destroyed entire Earths for fun.
If Doom is motivated, and has prep-time, he will probably break Krakao like a twig.
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[QUOTE=Runarc;4706043]
If Doom is motivated, and has prep-time, he will probably break Krakao like a twig.
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Good thing they can just grow another Branch
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[QUOTE=Runarc;4706043]He never cared about mutants for the same reason evveryone else didn't. They were unorganised and posed little threat to anyone's plans. If they interfere with the FF4 (particularly Valeria) that might change in a heartbeat.
And remember Doom is a serious danger. He created cannons that took down Galactus, and is able to alter the current timeline with his time machines. He can destroy Krakao by going back in time and kicking Xavier's dad in the balls.
The evil version of Clyde Wyndcham, an omega reality warping mutant, stated that Doom had more potential than he did. This was a guy that destroyed entire Earths for fun.
If Doom is motivated, and has prep-time, he will probably break Krakao like a twig.[/QUOTE]
Considering the resources that krakoa has they are very easily on equal footing with doom. And if things go south for mutants all Moira has to do is reset the timeline and try it over again.
There are several mutants on that island that can pose a serious threat to Doom. If they were to go to war (which I don't see happening) anything less than a mutually assured destruction would be bs.
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[QUOTE=Runarc;4706043]He never cared about mutants for the same reason evveryone else didn't. They were unorganised and posed little threat to anyone's plans. If they interfere with the FF4 (particularly Valeria) that might change in a heartbeat.
And remember Doom is a serious danger. He created cannons that took down Galactus, and is able to alter the current timeline with his time machines. He can destroy Krakao by going back in time and kicking Xavier's dad in the balls.
The evil version of Clyde Wyndcham, an omega reality warping mutant, stated that Doom had more potential than he did. This was a guy that destroyed entire Earths for fun.
If Doom is motivated, and has prep-time, he will probably break Krakao like a twig.[/QUOTE]
Rachel took on Galactus too. Big whoop.
Mutants seemed to be enough of a threat for the Avengers, Osborn, Red Skull to try wiping them out. Maybe he just knows better then almost getting killed by Storm again.
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[QUOTE=BroHomo;4706039]It'd be for the best tho don't ya think?[/QUOTE]
Of course. He wouldn't rely on tech to communicate [I]AND[/I] he wouldn't be a flatscan
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[QUOTE=tuck frump;4706201]Rachel took on Galactus too. Big whoop.
Mutants seemed to be enough of a threat for the Avengers, Osborn, Red Skull to try wiping them out. Maybe he just knows better then almost getting killed by Storm again.[/QUOTE]
I don't think mutants should underestimate Doom. He's a beast. Last time someone as powerful as Le Fey tried to get at him he just sent her back to prehistoric times.
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I like doom but I think he knows better than to try to start a war with mutants. He just recently went after the power of Galactus in FF and despite the home court advantage and a cosmic being he created suee still managed to show his face all over TV and reveal his scars to the world before getting defeated by the FF. There is nothing doom can do that mutants can't with the same prep time but if they truly unleashed the mutants in a no holes barred war and it's written fair latervia is going down.
Didn't he just get shot in his own solo?
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4706226]I like doom but I think he knows better than to try to start a war with mutants. He just recently went after the power of Galactus in FF and despite the home court advantage and a cosmic being he created suee still managed to show his face all over TV and reveal his scars to the world before getting defeated by the FF. There is nothing doom can do that mutants can't with the same prep time but if they truly unleashed the mutants in a no holes barred war and it's written fair latervia is going down.
Didn't he just get shot in his own solo?[/QUOTE]
With enough prep he literally became god. One on one Latveria vs Krakoa isn't going to end well for Latveria, but if he starts scheming mutants could be screwed.
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4706241]With enough prep he literally became god. [/QUOTE]
Storm's already one
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[QUOTE=BroHomo;4706246]Storm's already one[/QUOTE]
More of a One Above All kind of god, not mythological god.
