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Okay, I know I've complained about this before, but I. Hate. Emo. Franklin.
From the design alone, I hate how they basically copied and pasted Sam Alexander's design. Is this how everyone feels about the lack of variety in Disney Princess faces?
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4773605]Okay, I know I've complained about this before, but I. Hate. Emo. Franklin.
From the design alone, I hate how they basically copied and pasted Sam Alexander's design. Is this how everyone feels about the lack of variety in Disney Princess faces?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much to be honest. Sorry ya had to go through it, like.
He should add a blue streak
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4773609]Pretty much to be honest. Sorry ya had to go through it, like.[/QUOTE]
Well then, I know how Disney fans feel now.
[QUOTE=Beetle;4773610]He should add a blue streak[/QUOTE]
Oh but he did for all of two issues.
Seriously, I get the intent was to show how emo he was, but this is laziness beyond belief. At least Greg Land bothered to change colors with his art work. Granted, it's still garbage.
This is the same issue I had with Rahne in Rosenberg's Uncanny.
Oh and to hammer the point home, I'm not the only angry internet poster to catch this: [url]https://twitter.com/hyaened/status/1193121611483885568[/url]
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4773616]Well then, I know how Disney fans feel now.[/QUOTE]
Ah it's rough buddy, but don't worry; we'll pull through somehow.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4773343]I hope Franklin dies on Krakoa and can't be resurrected. The drama alone would be great.[/QUOTE]
Throw his sister in there for good measure.
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4773641]Throw his sister in there for good measure.[/QUOTE]
I’d rather see Val revealed as a mutant, see the value in Krakoa, and peace out on the fam. Val is the best FFer.
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4773296]Franklin Richards is hardly in the same boat as them though; he lives a comfy, relatively sheltered life and appears to be held with the same adoration as his parents are despite his mutant status. The only reasons he may have to join is teenage rebellion.
Also, Rictor didn't choose to stay out; he was unable to travel as were Beak and family. They stayed to care for Beak's ailing father and stated that they did, in fact want to go.
What I'm saying that it's problematic for all mutants to have to feel that Krakoa is their only way; at least not without some in-narrative questioning. It's as annoying in a meta-sense as it is from the plot.[/QUOTE]
Rictor [B]chose[/B] to stay away because he was afraid of what his powers would do. Beak and family [B]chose[/B] to stay away because of family. Pete Wisdom [B]chose[/B] to stay away because his loyalty was to the UK (By the way he meets the exact criteria you set). It doesn't matter why they stayed away, the simple fact that they did proves your assertion wrong. The only mutant not allowed to leave is Sabertooth, and F' him, he deserves it. The vast majority of mutants [B]chose[/B] to go to Krakoa because Marvel has been telling us how overwhelmingly horrible the MU is towards mutants pretty much from the very beginning of Chris Claremont's tenure as writer.
There is nothing problematic in universe about the overwhelmingly vast majority of mutants wanting to go someplace where they aren't afraid of 40 ft. murderbots, inhuman death clouds, religious fanatics, government slavery, genetically engineered predators, government enforced medical procedures, having to live in sewers, political oppression, genetic persecution and so on and son on. Conversely, none of Krakoa's warts have come to the surface, so to the MU mutants it must look like paradise. Even then, they have shown us mutants who chose not to go or who aren't certain about Krakoa. There probably are other mutants who stayed away but there is no reason they need to be shown because the plot isn't about them, right now the plot is about building Krakoa not tearing it down.
[QUOTE=Kisinith;4773928]Rictor [B]chose[/B] to stay away because he was afraid of what his powers would do. Beak and family [B]chose[/B] to stay away because of family. Pete Wisdom [B]chose[/B] to stay away because his loyalty was to the UK (By the way he meets the exact criteria you set). It doesn't matter why they stayed away, the simple fact that they did proves your assertion wrong. The only mutant not allowed to leave is Sabertooth, and F' him, he deserves it. The vast majority of mutants [B]chose[/B] to go to Krakoa because Marvel has been telling us how overwhelmingly horrible the MU is towards mutants pretty much from the very beginning of Chris Claremont's tenure as writer.
There is nothing problematic in universe about the overwhelmingly vast majority of mutants wanting to go someplace where they aren't afraid of 40 ft. murderbots, inhuman death clouds, religious fanatics, government slavery, genetically engineered predators, government enforced medical procedures, having to live in sewers, political oppression, genetic persecution and so on and son on. Conversely, none of Krakoa's warts have come to the surface, so to the MU mutants it must look like paradise. Even then, they have shown us mutants who chose not to go or who aren't certain about Krakoa. There probably are other mutants who stayed away but there is no reason they need to be shown because the plot isn't about them, right now the plot is about building Krakoa not tearing it down.[/QUOTE]
Rictor chose to stay away because every time he stepped outside the earth shook wildly. He couldn't [I]get[/I] there, he said it himself; not saying your reasoning is wrong, but there was also another factor there. Beak also did choose to stay away, but because of a family [I]obligation.[/I] Even now, his wife speaks of wanting to go to Krakoa after they escape the basement; there's little evidence right now they'll stay.
But surely some questioning of resistance to Krakoa by those who [I]don't[/I] want to go would only enrich the plot, not tear Krakoa down? Wouldn't it address concerns? Show what's still happening on the outside, if attitudes are changing or worsening?
I will accept Franklin going to Krakoa if they take Sue too. Anything to save her from the current FF writer...
[QUOTE=Crimz;4773983]I will accept Franklin going to Krakoa if they take Sue too. Anything to save her from the current FF writer...[/QUOTE]
Just put the entire family on Krakoa.
Curious why the FF was in defense mode....
Did Kitty just phase through Sue's Force Field??? HAHAHAHAH that saves so many debates.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4773992]Curious why the FF was in defense mode....
Did Kitty just phase through Sue's Force Field??? HAHAHAHAH that saves so many debates.[/QUOTE]
Nothing gets between the Red Queen and her treasure.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4773991]Just put the entire family on Krakoa.[/QUOTE]
That would be fun!
[QUOTE=Jbenito;4774012]That would be fun![/QUOTE]
They're weird enough to fit right in.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4774017]They're weird enough to fit right in.[/QUOTE]
Reed would enjoy a tour of Forge's creation den of love.
We've already established Iceman owns Johnnys ass in a fight but can Rockslide take over Bens rock body? With Kate able to phase through Sue's fields that's 3 of them taken care of.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4774037]We've already established Iceman owns Johnnys ass in a fight but can Rockslide take over Bens rock body? With Kate able to phase through Sue's fields that's 3 of them taken care of.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure Pyro could probably take Johnny on his own but with Bobby there it's an automatic stomp, Kate could probably take Sue, if not her one of their many psychics could takedown her and Ben. And between Bobby and Storm one of them is bound to put Reed on Ice if absolutely necessary. That takes care of the Fantastic 4.
[QUOTE=Journey;4774052]Pretty sure Pyro could probably take Johnny on his own but with Bobby there it's an automatic stomp, Kate could probably take Sue, if not her one of their many psychics could takedown her and Ben. And between Bobby and Storm one of them is bound to put Reed on Ice if absolutely necessary. That takes care of the Fantastic 4.[/QUOTE]
That's probably how it SHOULD happen.
But you KNOW. Johnny is somehow going to be able to melt Bobby. Reed Richards is going to swirl his body around Storm to where she can't call lightning to strike him. Ben is going to steam roll through whoever is in his way.
And then Sue is going to be like: "YOur not taking my child!!!" and runs away with Franklin
Making the X-Men bad guys now
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4773958]Rictor chose to stay away because every time he stepped outside the earth shook wildly. He couldn't [I]get[/I] there, he said it himself; not saying your reasoning is wrong, but there was also another factor there. Beak also did choose to stay away, but because of a family [I]obligation.[/I] Even now, his wife speaks of wanting to go to Krakoa after they escape the basement; there's little evidence right now they'll stay.
But surely some questioning of resistance to Krakoa by those who [I]don't[/I] want to go would only enrich the plot, not tear Krakoa down? Wouldn't it address concerns? Show what's still happening on the outside, if attitudes are changing or worsening?[/QUOTE]
Not really, those people aren't significant [I]right now[/I].
This is going to be a gross oversimplification but bear with me. Most narratives in dramatic work are broadly (if not explicitly) divided up into three acts and each act has a specific structure to it. In this structure Act I is mostly about introducing significant elements. Who are the protagonists? Who are the antagonists? What do they want? etc. Act II is called the rising action or the complication, this is the point that they start encountering significant and varied opposition, its usually the largest act by far and usually has the most meat and depth. Act II is all about the obstacles and usually has the most character development and will usually leave the protagonists in their lowest point within the narrative. Act III is known as the climax, its typically the shortest act and it features the climb from the depths of Act II, The confrontation with the antagonists and the resolution.
They've established that some mutants chose not to go to Krakoa for many different reasons. Digging into and expanding on those reasons are largely pointless right now because they aren't significant to the central conflict. You have limited page space per comic and they don't add to the narrative about building the nation of Krakoa, in fact it weakens and distracts from that narrative.
Right now DoX is still very clearly in Act I narrative space, they are still establishing who and what the Krakoans are, who and what the main antagonists are. Mutant opposition to Krakoa is a complication not a central element so it really isn't important until you reach Act II narrative space.
The FF have gotten so crazy strong over the years that the rare modern hero v. hero against them is automatically interesting, too bad if it happens it's gonna have Dodson interiors.
[QUOTE=Journey;4774052]Pretty sure Pyro could probably take Johnny on his own but with Bobby there it's an automatic stomp, Kate could probably take Sue, if not her one of their many psychics could takedown her and Ben. And between Bobby and Storm one of them is bound to put Reed on Ice if absolutely necessary. That takes care of the Fantastic 4.[/QUOTE]
Oh in a head on fight, I assume Cyclops has already prepared for 62 different scenarios on how to take on the FF in a fight. I wanted to know if Rockslide by himself could subdue Thing and make him his rock puppet. Because THAT would be really embarassing.
[QUOTE=Kisinith;4774069]Not really, those people aren't significant [I]right now[/I].
This is going to be a gross oversimplification but bear with me. Most narratives in dramatic work are broadly (if not explicitly) divided up into three acts and each act has a specific structure to it. In this structure Act I is mostly about introducing significant elements. Who are the protagonists? Who are the antagonists? What do they want? etc. Act II is called the rising action or the complication, this is the point that they start encountering significant and varied opposition, its usually the largest act by far and usually has the most meat and depth. Act II is all about the obstacles and usually has the most character development and will usually leave the protagonists in their lowest point within the narrative. Act III is known as the climax, its typically the shortest act and it features the climb from the depths of Act II, The confrontation with the antagonists and the resolution.
They've established that some mutants chose not to go to Krakoa for many different reasons. Digging into and expanding on those reasons are largely pointless right now because they aren't significant to the central conflict. You have limited page space per comic and they don't add to the narrative about building the nation of Krakoa, in fact it weakens and distracts from that narrative.
Right not DoX is still very clearly in Act I narrative space, they are still establishing who and what they are, who and what the main antagonists are. Mutant opposition to Krakoa is a complication not a central element so it really isn't important until Act II narrative space.[/QUOTE]
I'm still not sure that the Act I thing is accurate though; not if only one of those mutants mentioned [I]is[/I] actually staying where he is?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774059]That's probably how it SHOULD happen.
But you KNOW. Johnny is somehow going to be able to melt Bobby. Reed Richards is going to swirl his body around Storm to where she can't call lightning to strike him. Ben is going to steam roll through whoever is in his way.
And then Sue is going to be like: "YOur not taking my child!!!" and runs away with Franklin
Making the X-Men bad guys now[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately your probably right, if nothing else I personally can't wait for Bobby and Johnny to go at it to finally settle that age old debate. Truthfully the X-Men do need to back off, Franklin is a minor if his parents say no end of discussion all they have to do is wait 2 more years for him to be legal then they can approach him. Oh wait Krakoa will probably be ashes by then....
All this trouble for some emo brat who lacks any kind of substance outside of his powers, I just don't understand.
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774077]I'm still not sure that the Act I thing is accurate though; not if only one of those mutants mentioned [I]is[/I] actually staying where he is?[/QUOTE]
Mutants opposed to/questioning of Krakoa aren't a part of the central narrative so they don't need a significant introduction or significant presence in Act I. The examples given establish that those types of mutants exist thus when you get to Act II if the writers want to explore that idea you don't have to spend a lot of time introducing them. It doesn't even have to be one of those examples, they simply established the precedent that not everyone went to Krakoa.
[QUOTE=Kisinith;4774088]Mutants opposed to/questioning of Krakoa aren't a part of the central narrative so they don't need a significant introduction or significant presence in Act I. The examples given establish that those types of mutants exist thus when you get to Act II if the writers want to explore that idea you don't have to spend a lot of time introducing them. It doesn't even have to be one of those examples, they simply established the precedent that not everyone went to Krakoa.[/QUOTE]
Which leads me to conclude that they won't; because it hasn't been set-up to be it most likely won't be. Which is frustrating and makes the narrative feel contrived because there [I]are[/I] characters who [I]should[/I] and all of them have been shown to be a-ok with everything. To do it now would just look like an after-thought and lead to criticisms along the lines of....well, you know. Surprised Pikachu face.
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774090]Which leads me to conclude that they won't; because it hasn't been set-up to be it most likely won't be. Which is frustrating and makes the narrative feel contrived because there [I]are[/I] characters who [I]should[/I] and all of them have been shown to be a-ok with everything. To do it now would just look like an after-thought and lead to criticisms along the lines of....well, you know. Surprised Pikachu face.[/QUOTE]
No, thats not right either. The central conflict in the current run is mutants vs. extinction. Act I is about setting up the elements important to [I]that [/I]narrative not all the elements that will appear. Mutants opposed to the status quo are not a significant element to that story so don't need significant panel time right now, in fact they'd be out of place. That represents a complication to the central narrative, which is to say an Act II problem.
[QUOTE=Journey;4774080]Unfortunately your probably right, if nothing else I personally can't wait for Bobby and Johnny to go at it to finally settle that age old debate. Truthfully the X-Men do need to back off, Franklin is a minor if his parents say no end of discussion all they have to do is wait 2 more years for him to be legal then they can approach him. Oh wait Krakoa will probably be ashes by then....
All this trouble for some emo brat who lacks any kind of substance outside of his powers, I just don't understand.[/QUOTE]
Of Course the X-Men have to lose they are the Bad Guys. But I agree I do want Bobby and Johnny to fight to settle the Score.
I do believe the X-Men should just leave Franklin alone. However, it's not THEIR fault if Franklin is actually wanting to be apart of Krakoa, wanting to learn about being a Mutant. Or reaching out to the X-Men.
Are the FF being overprotective? Yes. But at the same time he is a minor and not able to make decisions on his own. To me Franklin comes off as a Egotistical Asshole of a Kid.
It just feels like the FF are jumping to conclusions VERY fast. Why is Sue putting up a Force Field? How does Sue know they are here to take her child? Did the X-Men say they were??? I mean for all we know they came to talk.
But whatever this is just me....
[QUOTE=Kisinith;4774106]No, thats not right either. The central conflict in the current run is mutants vs. extinction. Act I is about setting up the elements important to [I]that [/I]narrative not all the elements that will appear. Mutants opposed to the status quo are not a significant element to that story so don't need significant panel time right now, in fact they'd be out of place. That represents a complication to the central narrative, which is to say an Act II problem.[/QUOTE]
You say it would present a complication; I say it would present a narrative challenge and obstacle, or, at the least, foreshadowing. [I]Especially[/I] considering we haven't seen explicit reasoning for why [I]all[/I] characters are suddenly so on board.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774133]
I do believe the X-Men should just leave Franklin alone. However, it's not THEIR fault if Franklin is actually wanting to be apart of Krakoa, wanting to learn about being a Mutant. Or reaching out to the X-Men.
[/QUOTE]
If that preview is any indication and the Slott FF run, I think we can make an educated guess that Franklin doesn't give a crap about Krakoa except for what they can do about his powers. He never refers to himself as mutant despite being very aware of being a mutant and participated in attempting to rescue the Morlocks during their famous Mutant Massacre. "Which makes me your god" and "I am the god who makes sacrifices" are just two of the lines he uses to refer to himself. Not "omega level mutant"; he refers to himself as "god". If anything, Krakoa is a means to an end.
Sure, character development is hopefully going to kick in, but until then, I still find it funny that people assert he wants to learn about mutantkind, yet he is only interested in his powers.
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4774157]If that preview is any indication and the Slott FF run, I think we can make an educated guess that Franklin doesn't give a crap about Krakoa except for what they can do about his powers. He never refers to himself as mutant despite being very aware of being a mutant and participated in attempting to rescue the Morlocks during their famous Mutant Massacre. "Which makes me your god" and "I am the god who makes sacrifices" are just two of the lines he uses to refer to himself. Not "omega level mutant"; he refers to himself as "god". If anything, Krakoa is a means to an end.
Sure, character development is hopefully going to kick in, but until then, I still find it funny that people assert he wants to learn about mutantkind, yet he is only interested in his powers.[/QUOTE]
That's EXACTLY why I believe he's an Asshole........
I've been reading the FF book currently. He's sad that his powers are weakened greatly. He's not as strong as he use to be.
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4774157]If that preview is any indication and the Slott FF run, I think we can make an educated guess that Franklin doesn't give a crap about Krakoa except for what they can do about his powers. He never refers to himself as mutant despite being very aware of being a mutant and participated in attempting to rescue the Morlocks during their famous Mutant Massacre. "Which makes me your god" and "I am the god who makes sacrifices" are just two of the lines he uses to refer to himself. Not "omega level mutant"; he refers to himself as "god". If anything, Krakoa is a means to an end.
Sure, character development is hopefully going to kick in, but until then, I still find it funny that people assert he wants to learn about mutantkind, yet he is only interested in his powers.[/QUOTE]
Sound like he'd get right along with Magneto.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774172]
I've been reading the FF book currently. He's sad that his powers are weakened greatly. He's not as strong as he use to be.[/QUOTE]
My problem is just how poorly thought out his whole god to man arc is. Him losing his powers could have been a brilliant metaphor for a cross country runner who can never run again due to muscle damage or an artist who can never draw again due to deteriorating health. That could have been a brilliant metaphor. Instead, we have a standard emo idiot who cares more about his powers than anything else. Woo-hoo.
[QUOTE=U.N. Owen;4774186]My problem is just how poorly thought out his whole god to man arc is. Him losing his powers could have been a brilliant metaphor for a cross country runner who can never run again due to muscle damage or an artist who can never draw again due to deteriorating health. That could have been a brilliant metaphor. Instead, we have a standard emo idiot who cares more about his powers than anything else. Woo-hoo.[/QUOTE]
I agree.
So, i'm curious as to WHY Kitty is hugging Franklin. And WHY Storm isn't greeting the FF as her friends like they never knew her. I REALLY hope this doesn't go the way I think it's going.
Please Marvel
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774204]I agree.
So, i'm curious as to WHY Kitty is hugging Franklin. And WHY Storm isn't greeting the FF as her friends like they never knew her. I REALLY hope this doesn't go the way I think it's going.
Please Marvel[/QUOTE]
He's already saw her naked. Hugging is little leagues.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774204]I agree.
So, i'm curious as to WHY Kitty is hugging Franklin. And WHY Storm isn't greeting the FF as her friends like they never knew her. I REALLY hope this doesn't go the way I think it's going.
Please Marvel[/QUOTE]
I mean, I can speculate:
Kitty's hugging Franklin because they hold fond memories of each other.
And, Storm's currently being written in a very combative, much less human-friendly manner under Hickman. She might not view them as her friends anymore, just 'human.'
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Mmm Sue...
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774210]I mean, I can speculate:
Kitty's hugging Franklin because they hold fond memories of each other.
And, Storm's currently being written in a very combative, much less human-friendly manner under Hickman. She might not view them as her friends anymore, just 'human.'[/QUOTE]
That's.....VERY True. But we do see Storm actually showing compassion and caring. Though your right her methods are harsh right now.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4774208]He's already saw her naked. Hugging is little leagues.[/QUOTE]
Um..when did Kitty and Franklin get so BUDDY BUDDY????
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4774217]That's.....VERY True. But we do see Storm actually showing compassion and caring. Though your right her methods are harsh right now.[/QUOTE]
Have we seen her compassion and caring extend to humans though? Friends or otherwise? I've seen it towards characters like Kitty and other mutants but...?
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4774224]Have we seen her compassion and caring extend to humans though? Friends or otherwise? I've seen it towards characters like Kitty and other mutants but...?[/QUOTE]
She's sleeping with Black Panther.