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[QUOTE=Beetle;4807577]Jamie is currently just eccentric and King of Otherworld
Legion was healthy and in control of his powers the last time Xavier saw him, mostly because Xavier was there for him[/QUOTE]
Please dont remind me about otherworld. The slave trader (jamie) and the slave owner (Apocalypse) ruling otherworld and perfoming vivisentions on fairies. Hope no one is surprised when that turns in Carnival Row
[QUOTE=hulkling;4807336]Reed in the past said that the powers of Franklin are following his natural course of action, [/QUOTE]
Reed is an inveterate liar
[QUOTE=hulkling;4808095]Please dont remind me about otherworld. The slave trader (jamie) and the slave owner (Apocalypse) ruling otherworld and perfoming vivisentions on fairies. Hope no one is surprised when that turns in Carnival Row[/QUOTE]
Oh, come now, it will be so much worse than that.
[QUOTE=Kitty&Piotr<3;4807432]Leave Franklin alone, damned creepers, unless you approach him and his parents with respect and he unequivocally wants to come.
He's not some poor kid with uninformed parents that can't raise, train, or house a super-child. They've been doing it just fine for 10 years.
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Franklin had post traumatic stress disorder from being taken to Hell where he watched his parents be tortured. and his creeper dad has attempted to remove his powers before.
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4808109]Franklin had post traumatic stress disorder from being taken to Hell where he watched his parents be tortured. and his creeper dad has attempted to remove his powers before.[/QUOTE]
Don't forgot when an evil combo of two certain people tried to possess him and used his power to almost kill his parents. That can't be good for the psyche....
Also, you conveniently left out that Franklin was literally about to destroy everything. That's why Reed put his powers on ice back then.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4808316]Don't forgot when an evil combo of two certain people tried to possess him and used his power to almost kill his parents. That can't be good for the psyche....[/QUOTE]
i remember his parents not being able to protect him from Onslaught, if that is what you're referencing. i remember Professor X comforting him during that ordeal. and, again, it was an actual plot point that Unthinkable resulted in post traumatic stress for Franklin.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4808316]Also, you conveniently left out that Franklin was literally about to destroy everything. That's why Reed put his powers on ice back then. [/QUOTE]
how about when he forgot to pick Franklin up from school after pretending that the team was broke?
I don't trust X and Mags dealing with Franklin.
The last time they did, Youngblood's Diseased ravaged the Marvel Universe.
just take a hair and be done with it, mix him up with sugar spice an everything nice and avoid HBSS
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4808450]i remember his parents not being able to protect him from Onslaught, if that is what you're referencing. i remember Professor X comforting him during that ordeal. and, again, it was an actual plot point that Unthinkable resulted in post traumatic stress for Franklin. [/QUOTE]
Professor X during Onslaught was a different man from Krakoan X… Then it wouldn't occur to thim to separate a child from his parents…
[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4808450]
how about when he forgot to pick Franklin up from school after pretending that the team was broke?[/QUOTE]
So, you want to report him to social services? :eek:
[QUOTE=Zelena;4808595]Professor X during Onslaught was a different man from Krakoan X… Then it wouldn't occur to thim to separate a child from his parents…
So, you want to report him to social services? :eek:[/QUOTE]
might be a place to start. pretty sure that it happened during Claremont's run.
Giving young mutants a place to safely learn more about their powers among their peers, often separating them from their families is exactly what Xavier has ALWAYS done, given kids a choice
That's literally what the Institute was
[QUOTE=Beetle;4808670]Giving young mutants a place to safely learn more about their powers among their peers, often separating them from their families is exactly what Xavier has ALWAYS done, given kids a choice
That's literally what the Institute was[/QUOTE]
Asking the parents was what Xavier has always done… well, before. (Only Jean did a little mind-control with Kitty Pryde's parents…)
Here, the situation is different: Franklin's parents are equipped to handle their son and have done it since the beginning.
What a regression: weren't they supposed to be friends or something?
[QUOTE=Zelena;4808680]Asking the parents was what Xavier has always done… well, before. (Only Jean did a little mind-control with Kitty Pryde's parents…)
Here, the situation is different: Franklin's parents are equipped to handle their son and have done it since the beginning.
What a regression: weren't they supposed to be friends or something?[/QUOTE]
Reed and Sue are, notoriously, bad friends.
[QUOTE=Beetle;4808670]Giving young mutants a place to safely learn more about their powers among their peers, often separating them from their families is exactly what Xavier has ALWAYS done, given kids a choice
That's literally what the Institute was[/QUOTE]
So just give them a call or write them a nice letter or e-mail to let them know they'll always be available if Franklin wants to stop by or has any questions about his abilities and call it a day. I hope they'll at least call ahead and make an appointment for a meeting instead of just rolling up unannounced.
[QUOTE=Starfish;4808689]So just give them a call or write them a nice letter or e-mail to let them know they'll always be available if Franklin wants to stop by or has any questions about his abilities and call it a day. I hope they'll at least call ahead and make an appointment for a meeting instead of just rolling up unannounced.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm saying. You would think they would have learned from their previous mistakes and lessons and given the overall reactions of the world in general towards them.
I get that it's a "story" but...This whole conflict set-up seems quite PIS in a convoluted way, initially...when truth and in fact it's a resolution can be quite straight forward and simple, not requiring a whole 4-issues.
I have to admit...I just don't see the point or importance of it, conceptually.
[QUOTE=Starfish;4808689]So just give them a call or write them a nice letter or e-mail to let them know they'll always be available if Franklin wants to stop by or has any questions about his abilities and call it a day. I hope they'll at least call ahead and make an appointment for a meeting instead of just rolling up unannounced.[/QUOTE]
Literally all they're doing is meeting with the kid, Xavier visited Kitty at home too
You guys make it seem like they're going to stick the kid in a sack and drag him out of their while his mother watches helplessly
I'm hoping the story ends with Franklin dying and then being resurrected on Krakoa without his powers. Perhaps he'll get a character not 100% defined by his powers. It's amazing how much I like his characterization more in the Power Pack comics when he was limited to astral projection and seeing into the future.
[QUOTE=Beetle;4808731]Literally all they're doing is meeting with the kid, Xavier visited Kitty at home too
You guys make it seem like they're going to stick the kid in a sack and drag him out of their while his mother watches helplessly[/QUOTE]
Who knows what they’ll get up to with the whole war with Wakanda going on.
[QUOTE=Mr Cochese;4808740]Who knows what they’ll get up to with the whole war with Wakanda going on.[/QUOTE]
What war with Wakanda? The Wakandan delegate was literally the only one that Magneto seemed to respect at that economic summit
[QUOTE=Mr Cochese;4808740]Who knows what they’ll get up to with the whole war with Wakanda going on.[/QUOTE]
aren't they in space?
[QUOTE=Beetle;4808754]What war with Wakanda? The Wakandan delegate was literally the only one that Magneto seemed to respect at that economic summit[/QUOTE]
One of many terrible things the mutants were up to according to this forum; until the comics explicitly showed it wasn’t happening and had never been on the cards.
yeah magneto and him were friendly, wakanda respectfully refused the economic deal but its very obvious both nations are informal allies or friendly, something magneto even says its "more than enough"
[QUOTE=Beetle;4808754]What war with Wakanda? The Wakandan delegate was literally the only one that Magneto seemed to respect at that economic summit[/QUOTE]
Yes since Genosha their relations were good more or less.
About Franklin:
The thing is that yes the only thing charles needs to do is talk with him and let him make a decision, the problem is that Franklin is still a teenager and is under the supervision of both his parents who have been clear saying that they are not interested in him going to Krakoa or any other mutant school.
In short I guess they are hoping Franklin will say yes now that he`s older and an argument can be made that Franklin needs to begin to make his own decisions even when those don`t align with his parents whishes, they could even argue that Valeria was allowed to stay with Dr Doom for while when she was just three years old.
In the end even if they convince Franklin to come to Krakoa with Kitty`s help making an enemy of former allies like the FF4 has never been something the X-men do no matter the situation. So I hope we get to see a little more grey in the situation because right now this doesn`t look very good.
[QUOTE=Lucyinthesky;4808797]Yes since Genosha their relations were good more or less.
About Franklin:
The thing is that yes the only thing charles needs to do is talk with him and let him make a decision, the problem is that Franklin is still a teenager and is under the supervision of both his parents who have been clear saying that they are not interested in him going to Krakoa or any other mutant school.
In short I guess they are hoping Franklin will say yes now that he`s older and an argument can be made that Franklin needs to begin to make his own decisions even when those don`t aling with his parents whishes, they could even argue that Valeria was allowed to stay with Dr Doom for while when she was just three years old.
In the end even if they convince Franklin to come to Krakoa with Kitty`s help [B]making an enemy of former allies like the FF4 has never been something the X-men do no matter the situation[/B]. So I hope we get to see a little more grey in the situation because right now this doesn`t look very good.[/QUOTE]
oh well about that
[QUOTE=Veitha;4808805]oh well about that[/QUOTE]
I know :( Krakoa is different from the X-men, my problem is that even from that perspective alienate the FF4 for something that can be arranged with a talk isn`t very smart I don`t think Krakoa needs more enemies;)
Honestly, I'm with Reed and Sue on this. If it was just the X-Men alone, I could understand his side, but the Fantastic Four saw first hand what happened with the villains.
Apocalpyse - tried to kill Franklin
Mr. Sinister - Literal Nazi. Experimented on children with Dr. Mengele. Wants Franklin's DNA cause duh. Also had henchmen who tried to kill Franklin.
Sabretooth - Banished I know, but he also tried to kill Franklin.
But we all know how Franklin is going to approach the idea of getting his powers back.
Franklin: &%#$ you, Mom and Dad, I'm gonna become God again!
i dont think the x-men should care about the rest of the superhero community, who has been antagonistic towards mutants more often than supportive
I hope Val, Emma, and Quentin Quire interact. It would be a lot of fun.
[QUOTE=Ferro;4808832]i dont think the x-men should care about the rest of the superhero community, who has been antagonistic towards mutants more often than supportive[/QUOTE]
It's one thing to say they haven't done enough for mutants or something, but the FF haven't been outright antagonistic towards mutants.
[QUOTE=Lucyinthesky;4808821]I know :( Krakoa is different from the X-men, my problem is that even from that perspective alienate the FF4 for something that can be arranged with a talk isn`t very smart I don`t think Krakoa needs more enemies;)[/QUOTE]
I feel as though the loss (or estrangement) of their son would break the Richards family and ultimately destroy the Fantastic Four. If not straight away the Fantastic Four would slowly drift apart, they are highly dysfunctional and prone to bickering at the best of time as it is. In this respect Krakow doesn't have to worry about retaliation if they get Franklin, the problem of his parents will take care of itself.
At least that's the way it should go. A fitting and tragic end for Marvels first family. All the super powers in the world can't mitigate their fatal character flaws. But I'm sure Marvels editorial board will otherwise and the Fantastic Four will continue to linger like a bad smell.
[QUOTE=Kintor;4809062]I feel as though the loss (or estrangement) of their son would break the Richards family and ultimately destroy the Fantastic Four. If not straight away the Fantastic Four would slowly drift apart, they are highly dysfunctional and prone to bickering at the best of time as it is. In this respect Krakow doesn't have to worry about retaliation if they get Franklin, the problem of his parents will take care of itself.
At least that's the way it should go. A fitting and tragic end for Marvels first family. All the super powers in the world can't mitigate their fatal character flaws. But I'm sure Marvels editorial board will otherwise and the Fantastic Four will continue to linger like a bad smell.[/QUOTE]
Odds are the retaliation wouldn’t necessarily be from the F4 but from their social circle, namely those mutates whose kids invariably are identified as mutants in the future.
And here’s the thing, while the days of Marvel crapping on the X-Men are over, so are the days they’d exile their non-X/Spider IPs to [I]Image[/I], so destroying the F4 as a show of dominance isn’t on the cards
The cast looks full, but I think we really need the Five present since they are probably the most qualified to investigate Franklin's powers. We have a girl who can manipulate power, a boy who can manipulate biology, a girl who manipulates time, a fellow reality warper, and some egg maker. I don't think he would be useful, but I think having them investigate Franklin would be good to get Franklin to interact with mutants close to his age.
It would serve as an excellent callback to Hope and Franklin's first meeting.
I can't wait for this story to come out. I hope that we get see Rachel interact with Franklin.
Question-Did Artie and Leech move to Krakoa?
[QUOTE=Lucyinthesky;4808821]I know :( Krakoa is different from the X-men, my problem is that even from that perspective alienate the FF4 for something that can be arranged with a talk isn`t very smart I don`t think Krakoa needs more enemies;)[/QUOTE]
I think what Veitha was reffering to is that the X-Men haven't been in good terms with the Avengers for like more than a decade so it's not exactly a Krakoan thing
[QUOTE=nandes;4809618]I think what Veitha was reffering to is that the X-Men haven't been in good terms with the Avengers for like more than a decade so it's not exactly a Krakoan thing[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I meant hahaha it's been a while and they've been ready to say F y'all to other superhero groups. We might even say that right now they're friendlier than they were after Decimation.
I remember X-Men vs. the Fantastic Four. I thought the friendship between Kitty and Franklin was sweet. I can understand how almost any child would perceive Kitty as an idealized big sister. I think it unfortunate that it took Marvel 30+ years to follow up on this relationship.
BUT, Franklin is now a young man, and Kitty is an attractive young lady. I'm just wondering if teenage Franklin will see her as something other than a older sister?
[QUOTE=Omnipitus;4780870]There was the AvX fight, but Peter had the Juggernuat's power complimenting his own. Although Colossus is my favorite character, I don't think it counts. Overall, I give the fight to the Thing if they clash, but this is not the "lift/press 70 tons" Colossus of yore.
They are friends, but the stakes are high. Throw in JDW, Ben may well mop the floor with him. If editorial lets the writer write, it should be a good fight.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure who would win. Honestly, they're imaginary characters so the writer can write it anyway he wants. But, I always thought Ben and Peter would get along. The problem with most superhero fights is that they are often the result of highly contrived situations or everybody is acting out of character and acting like jerks. It would be nice if these were the two guys who said, we're just not doing this.
[QUOTE=Old Owl;4809367]I can't wait for this story to come out. I hope that we get see Rachel interact with Franklin.
Question-Did Artie and Leech move to Krakoa?[/QUOTE]
It must hurt Rachel to see the love of her past be so young...
Although i am sure shippers are more worried about the love of her life being a hony pot for her ex...
[QUOTE=Old Owl;4809367]I can't wait for this story to come out. I hope that we get see Rachel interact with Franklin.
Question-Did Artie and Leech move to Krakoa?[/QUOTE]
Nope the are with their true family the future fundation and eventually they will go back to live the the greatest heroine for them Sue Storm
[QUOTE=HeartofTheStoriesWeTell;4810026]It must hurt Rachel to see the love of her past be so young...[/QUOTE]
Was Franklin really Rachel's love of her life? She was very young herself and this Franklin has certainly little in common with his past love.
[QUOTE=Zelena;4810072]Was Franklin really Rachel's love of her life? She was very young herself and this Franklin has certainly little in common with his past love.[/QUOTE]
But that is part of it...
Imagine going back in time finding your first love...but he/she is different because history is diffrent...
They look and sound and mostly smell the same as you remember...but due to different experiences it is more like seeing his/her twin separated at birth...
It brings back all of the memories of love gone, good and bad...but is also alien and different, you don't know this boy/girl really