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[QUOTE=Knives;4699460]It's funny how some expect a confrontation between Wakanda and Krakoa or FF and the X-men when there is no reason for it but on the other hand a war between Krakoa and Latveria would be far more plausible and different from the others mentioned earlier I would be much more afraid of facing Doom (he is the kind of person would not want to have as an enemy of my nation).[/QUOTE]
Hes probably intimidating when ure Tony Stark or some such but Krakoa could take him easily.
[QUOTE=Knives;4699460]It's funny how some expect a confrontation between Wakanda and Krakoa or FF and the X-men when there is no reason for it but on the other hand a war between Krakoa and Latveria would be far more plausible and different from the others mentioned earlier I would be much more afraid of facing Doom (he is the kind of person would not want to have as an enemy of my nation).[/QUOTE]
Its expected bc Hickman already hinted at it. Orchis have vibranium and the speculation is that they are being supplied by Wakanda. The X-men dont know that yet but once they find out, its gonna likely lead to some issues
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4699464]Hes probably intimidating when ure Tony Stark or some such but Krakoa could take him easily.[/QUOTE]
Doom is one of those villains that should never be underestimated. If a writer wants, he could be the biggest threat to Krakoa.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4699473]Its expected bc Hickman already hinted at it. Orchis have vibranium and the speculation is that they are being supplied by Wakanda. The X-men dont know that yet but once they find out, its gonna likely lead to some issues[/QUOTE]
Well X-men V black Panther. of cours ehe doesn't have nothing to do with it, but x-men are paranoic now
[QUOTE=NewMutant;4699055]Namor should definitely be in this mini.
I'm confused as when this takes place. Xavier and the FF have their current look; but all the other X-Men are in older looks.[/QUOTE] There are no "looks" anymore, Hickman said everyone will wear all their costumes, they will pick any outfit from their back catalogue.
[QUOTE=AbnormallyNormal;4699133]One of those covers looks almost ironic the way Kate Pryde is all cute with Franklin, like she's trying to "tempt" him over to Krakoa
Idk how I feel about this crossover, it has potential to really make XMen/mutants seem in the wrong if they're aggressively trying to separate Franklin from his bio fam
Speaking of which it IS odd that more mutants haven't openly refused or declined Krakoa due to other ties with humans they had.[/QUOTE]
I mean let's give the writers a little bit more credit than that. Hickman has crafted something really unique with Krakoa and I'd doubt he'd let Marvel mess that up by painting the X-Men as the bad guys.
Doom is Marvel's biggest, most important and #1 villain. He has accomplished feats an a universal scale and only is defeated because in a superhero universe the villain has to lose. So why are some x-fans taking him so lightly? Like he is some lightweight or noob d-lister? Doom is probably the last person you would want to have as an enemy, what he can bring to the table in a fight is overwhelming. The guy thinks the world belongs to him, you don't think he's watching what's going on on Krakoa and making plans, the same as Wakanda is doing? When he heard Xavier's broadcast about the world changing how do you think he took that? My theory is the X-men take Franklin and either Sue or Valeria goes to Doom for help. So some can downplay Doom or think the X-men will curb stomp him easily but Doom is too big a character to get punked or jobb by the X-men. Some believe that marvel is elevating/pushing the X-men at the expense of other marvel characters. That they have given Hickman the greenlight to put mutants above all others. Of course x-fans have denied this but if Marvel has the X-men beatdown a character the caliber of Doom or a team like the FF then it will be hard to deny charges of pro X-men bias by Marvel.
[QUOTE=The tall man;4699736]Doom is Marvel's biggest, most important and #1 villain. He has accomplished feats an a universal scale and only is defeated because in a superhero universe the villain has to lose. So why are some x-fans taking him so lightly? Like he is some lightweight or noob d-lister? Doom is probably the last person you would want to have as an enemy, what he can bring to the table in a fight is overwhelming. The guy thinks the world belongs to him, you don't think he's watching what's going on on Krakoa and making plans, the same as Wakanda is doing? When he heard Xavier's broadcast about the world changing how do you think he took that? My theory is the X-men take Franklin and either Sue or Valeria goes to Doom for help. So some can downplay Doom or think the X-men will curb stomp him easily but Doom is too big a character to get punked or jobb by the X-men. Some believe that marvel is elevating/pushing the X-men at the expense of other marvel characters. That they have given Hickman the greenlight to put mutants above all others. Of course x-fans have denied this but if Marvel has the X-men beatdown a character the caliber of Doom or a team like the FF then it will be hard to deny charges of pro X-men bias by Marvel.[/QUOTE]
I think that Marvel is attempting to elevate both teams as they are now under the MCU. It would be counterproductive to do that at the expense of one of the teams. I have faith that both will come out of this book without looking bad.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4699806]I think that Marvel is attempting to elevate both teams as they are now under the MCU. It would be counterproductive to do that at the expense of one of the teams. I have faith that both will come out of this book without looking bad.[/QUOTE]
You know it's bad when people think that a team book between two hero families with numerous mutual friends between them has a chance of being about one team stepping on the other.
I also think that both teams can only come out of this on top.
Hard cut to #4. The mutants have turned Victor into the Iron Throne. Latveria is in ruins because Krakoa could not vibe with the soil. The Fantastic Four, Alicia, and Valeria have been exiled to Limbo. Alicia's cats have been taken in by Gambit. Franklin is Sinister's son now. The Mad Thinker has acquired mutant genes and is now on the High Council. Annihilus now lives in the Summers house, with his room being the only one connected to Jean's.
Fap (repeat several times) spooge, or something.
That would imply that the "additive" quality that is making the X-Men and mutantkind stronger and better is taking certain elements from other Marvel franchises (Franklin) and torching these respective sources to nothing. Betsy with the Captain Britain powers (and leaving Brian a Morgan Le Fay drone) was a test run (since Excalibur was an X-Men spinoff to begin with, CB's Marvel UK origin notwithstanding); turning Franklin into a loyal Krakoan and "Limbo-ing" his family would be the acid test of this sort of ADDITIVE status quo.
Maybe that's why Doom steps in in part 2. The X-Men did something to Valeria in #1.
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4699827]You know it's bad when people think that a team book between two hero families with numerous mutual friends between them has a chance of being about one team stepping on the other.
I also think that both teams can only come out of this on top.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, Scott's interactions with the FF in HOX/POX #1 did come off pretty aggressive, if not divisive. We can't say yet if any of those mutual friendships have lasted or will continue to 'matter' in any meaningful way, especially based on how Hickman uses very separationist language to further distant humans from mutants. (I've been told this is meant as some kind of 'rhetorical hyperbole' that's not meant to be taken on an individual level...but I have [I]a lot[/I] of trouble making sense of that. I understand this is probably due to my autism, but like, if you don't feel that way about a group of people, why would you say it, ya know?)
But, yeah, TL;DR: We need to see those past friendships and such in action before we can feel reassured.
[QUOTE=Domino_Dare-Doll;4700456]To be fair, Scott's interactions with the FF in HOX/POX #1 did come off pretty aggressive, if not divisive. We can't say yet if any of those mutual friendships have lasted or will continue to 'matter' in any meaningful way, especially based on how Hickman uses very separationist language to further distant humans from mutants. (I've been told this is meant as some kind of 'rhetorical hyperbole' that's not meant to be taken on an individual level...but I have [I]a lot[/I] of trouble making sense of that. I understand this is probably due to my autism, but like, if you don't feel that way about a group of people, why would you say it, ya know?)
But, yeah, TL;DR: We need to see those past friendships and such in action before we can feel reassured.[/QUOTE]
Scott and FF were very antagonistic on HOX. Friendship doesn't exclude conflict
[QUOTE=spirit2011;4700463]Scott and FF were [B]very antagonistic[/B] on HOX. Friendship doesn't exclude conflict[/QUOTE]
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throwing shade isn't "very antagonistic"
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throwing shade isn't "very antagonistic"[/QUOTE]
It wasn't amicable to me
[QUOTE=spirit2011;4700463]Scott and FF were very antagonistic on HOX. Friendship doesn't exclude conflict[/QUOTE]
It is usually painful to be in conflict with your friends, you try to ease the tension, to make understand. Scott Summers didn't seem very pained by the situation, he was just stating a fact if I remember well.
On its own it was just shade, but in the context that Xavier has wanted Franklin for a while and tried to, you know, kill them on the issue before; it’s definitely a threat
[QUOTE=CoCoBandz;4699827]You know it's bad when people think that a team book between two hero families with numerous mutual friends between them has a chance of being about one team stepping on the other.
I also think that both teams can only come out of this on top.[/QUOTE]
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Hmmmmm.
[QUOTE=Zelena;4700490]It is usually painful to be in conflict with your friends, you try to ease the tension, to make understand. Scott Summers didn't seem very pained by the situation, he was just stating a fact if I remember well.[/QUOTE]
That too; there's been too much emotional detachment present in regards to what's going on in relation to what's happened then. There's a real disconnect which furthers the idea that old friendships might just not matter (I'm [I]praying[/I] I'm wrong, mind! But based on the tone I've seen present in every X-Book except Excalibur, I'm struggling to see different.)
[QUOTE][B]The world has been re-shaped by the X-MEN[/B]. But you can’t reshape a world without encountering its true master … [B]DOOM[/B]..[/QUOTE]
1) Figuratively or literally?
2) Nut
[QUOTE=Zelena;4700490]It is usually painful to be in conflict with your friends, you try to ease the tension, to make understand. Scott Summers didn't seem very pained by the situation, he was just stating a fact if I remember well.[/QUOTE]
Painful to be in conflict with your friends? It’s typically comes more natural to be at conflict with family or friends.
People keep bringing up these two teams being friends and seem against them being at odds. Since when did friends not end up at odds? Hell friends are at each other’s throats more then enemies at times. Healthy relationships go through that. Ups and downs. With everything that’s gone on...How can the rest of the super hero community just be completely fine with what the X-men are doing? There was definitely a hint of hostility in that conversation between Cyclops and the F4. Granted they were trying to remain cordial through out....but the hostility was definitely present.
[QUOTE=JasmineW;4699566]There are no "looks" anymore, Hickman said everyone will wear all their costumes, they will pick any outfit from their back catalogue.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a link to that article?
That's an interesting choice.
[QUOTE=Londo Bellian;4699965]That would imply that the "additive" quality that is making the X-Men and mutantkind stronger and better is taking certain elements from other Marvel franchises (Franklin) and torching these respective sources to nothing. Betsy with the Captain Britain powers (and leaving Brian a Morgan Le Fay drone) was a test run (since Excalibur was an X-Men spinoff to begin with, CB's Marvel UK origin notwithstanding)[/QUOTE]
Brian will be rescued, dude. That’s the whole point of the first arc in Excalibur.
[QUOTE=AbnormallyNormal;4699133]One of those covers looks almost ironic the way Kate Pryde is all cute with Franklin, like she's trying to "tempt" him over to Krakoa
Idk how I feel about this crossover, it has potential to really make XMen/mutants seem in the wrong if they're aggressively trying to separate Franklin from his bio fam
Speaking of which it IS odd that more mutants haven't openly refused or declined Krakoa due to other ties with humans they had.[/QUOTE]
The idea that they will aggressively try to take Franklin from them it’s ridiculous, they are not villains. And why mutants should decline to go to Krakoa because of ties with other human when they can instantly go wherever they want and meet these humans through a flower portal or plain invite them to Krakoa for a visit? This idea that going to Krakoa means isolating themselves from the world is absurd, only a few selected people are allowed in my house but I am not isolated from the world, in fact I meet strangers and new people constantly. That Krakoa is for mutants means that humans can’t take a plane or boat and just land to island not that no human is allowed to visit Krakoa.
[QUOTE=PeterParked;4700817]The idea that they will aggressively try to take Franklin from them it’s ridiculous, they are not villains. And why mutants should decline to go to Krakoa because of ties with other human when they can instantly go wherever they want and meet these humans through a flower portal or plain invite them to Krakoa for a visit? This idea that going to Krakoa means isolating themselves from the world is absurd, only a few selected people are allowed in my house but I am not isolated from the world, in fact I meet strangers and new people constantly. That Krakoa is for mutants means that humans can’t take a plane or boat and just land to island not that no human is allowed to visit Krakoa.[/QUOTE]
Why would Franklin need to live in Krakoa? He's a kid in a loving family. Why can't [B]he[/B] just visit Krakoa instead of staying?
[QUOTE=Crimz;4700913]Why would Franklin need to live in Krakoa? He's a kid in a loving family. Why can't [B]he[/B] just visit Krakoa instead of staying?[/QUOTE]
Right? If travel really is so instantaneous with a portal, what's the big deal with him just planting one out in the garden somewhere and dropping in as and when he wants/needs? Mutants might be united but that doesn't mean [I]everyone[/I] needs to pull away and gather in the same place; you can be united in a cause and live on two different coast-lines.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4699560]Doom is one of those villains that should never be underestimated. If a writer wants, he could be the biggest threat to Krakoa.[/QUOTE]
Didnt Storm almost kill him that one time she got pissed? And she's just one XMan.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4701037]Didnt Storm almost kill him that one time she got pissed? And she's just one XMan.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Hickman's Doom is usually portrayed as a pretty serious threat.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4701037]Didnt Storm almost kill him that one time she got pissed? And she's just one XMan.[/QUOTE]
Twas a Doom-thot.
Well Hickman isnt writing this.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4701089]Twas a Doom-thot.[/QUOTE]
Only according to Byrne's bitter ass. I'm pretty sure someone else unretconned it back to Doom later.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4701099]Only according to Byrne's bitter ass. I'm pretty sure someone else unretconned it back to Doom later.[/QUOTE]
Arcade's shit. I would've retconned it too.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4700913]Why would Franklin need to live in Krakoa? He's a kid in a loving family. Why can't [B]he[/B] just visit Krakoa instead of staying?[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t talking about Franklin, the poster I was replying to said he was weird there weren’t more mutants refusing to live on Krakoa because they also have human connections. I was highlighting how they can live in Krakoa and have human connections because they can literally go to them instantaneously with a portal or have them on Krakoa instantenously trough a portal. I don’t think at all Franklin will move to Krakoa, for the simple fact that he is an active character in FF and if they were planning to move him, even temporarily, with the mutants, that would have been covered first in the FF book by Dan Slott and not in a miniseries by an unrelated writer. That said, a reason for Franklin wanting to move to Krakoa is that in the FF book now is going through a teenager rebellion phase, so he could pull a “I want to go to live with the cool uncles because I hate you”. But again, if it was to happen it would happen in the main FF book.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4701037]Didnt Storm almost kill him that one time she got pissed? And she's just one XMan.[/QUOTE]
She also put his ass down in BP, causing T’Challa’s fragile masculinity to crumble before her eyes. She’s a man eater, hunties.
[QUOTE=The Quiet Councilor;4701424]She also put his ass down in BP, causing T’Challa’s fragile masculinity to crumble before her eyes. She’s a man eater, hunties.[/QUOTE]
Right she couldnt single handedly murder him. That not even bringing up the Magik, Proteus, Magneto, Exodeus factors in the equation. The notion that Doom could take on Krakoa is preposterous.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4701089]Twas a Doom-thot.[/QUOTE]
no no no it wasnt my dear. al Ewing retconned it back to its original depiction:
[img]https://abload.de/img/metamessage1-2o8j2p.jpg[/img]
[img]https://abload.de/img/loki-agentofasgard006mkkje.jpg[/img]
[img]https://abload.de/img/loki-agentofasgard006mxjej.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4701037]Didnt Storm almost kill him that one time she got pissed? And she's just one XMan.[/QUOTE]
Looks like she’s pissed pretty much constantly in Marauders.
[QUOTE=tuck frump;4701037]Didnt Storm almost kill him that one time she got pissed? And she's just one XMan.[/QUOTE]
He’s not undefeatable, remember he’s a villain. Even Sue beat him before by herself, but that doesn’t make him any less of a threat. The man had become a literal god several times. He is 100% a big threat.
Like Storm got treated like a fool by Batroc the leaper just this week, doesn’t make her any less of a threat. So why isn’t it the same for Doom?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4701445]no no no it wasnt my dear. al Ewing retconned it back to its original depiction:
[img]https://abload.de/img/metamessage1-2o8j2p.jpg[/img]
[img]https://abload.de/img/loki-agentofasgard006mkkje.jpg[/img]
[img]https://abload.de/img/loki-agentofasgard006mxjej.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Ooooo, we love receipts.
If Doom calls Boris, Krakoa might fold.