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This issue was kind of a weird WTF comic, but no weirder than some of the stuff during the vaunted Claremont-Byrne era I guess. Not my favorite comic of the month, but okay overall. I do wonder how long they’re going to keep teasing this polyamory stuff. Just show it already. Scott and Emma, Logan and Jean, Emma and Jean, whatever. It’s 2019. We can handle it.
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[QUOTE=Jackraow21;4718895]This issue was kind of a weird WTF comic, but no weirder than some of the stuff during the vaunted Claremont-Byrne era I guess. Not my favorite comic of the month, but okay overall.[B] I do wonder how long they’re going to keep teasing this polyamory stuff. Just show it already. [/B]Scott and Emma, Logan and Jean, Emma and Jean, whatever. It’s 2019. We can handle it.[/QUOTE]
It's called "trolling". With a side of spite.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4718900]It's called "trolling". With a side of spite.[/QUOTE]
What is the spite component?
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4718889]No one has the right to call this "bad fanfic". I've seen some the ideas here and they're worst than Guggs-Men.[/QUOTE]
I am sad to agree. He was mediocre but never this awful.
What is happening to x- books? It should get better and no worss
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Generally speaking, its gotten much better if you're not overly and unhealthily obsessed with fictional characters sexuality and sex life. Granted thats a big if for some people.
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[QUOTE=terrancejameson;4718270]Some of my family members eat chitterlings. I try not to judge them. We just agree to eat off our own plates. No harm, no foul.[/QUOTE]
LMAOOOOO this thread is hysterical
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[QUOTE=powerpax;4718871]You say that every week.
Scott and Emma arrived together. Emma and Jean are on decent terms. Emma spoke of Scott with love. Game still on.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter, because if Jean sleeps with more than one man, that means she's a whore in some posters eyes. You can show them all naked, and some people would still deny.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4718939]Doesn't matter, because if Jean sleeps with more than one man, that means she's a whore in some posters eyes. You can show them all naked, and some people would still deny.[/QUOTE]
That's not the issue at all. Some of the people complaining couldn't care less about Jean sleeping with Scott or not, or polyamory, that's not the issue.
on other side
I wonder why they haven't shown Emma doing someone else?
Because it is easy for scemma fans to be open to Jean doing many people at once but I wonder how they would react to Emma also doing someone else.
I think deep down that is the issue.
How would Cyclops or Emma or Scemma fans react to Emma loving someone else?
Because that's something jogan or jott fans had to deal for decades but scemma fans can't even imagine the posibility
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4718817]People saying they haven't read X-men for years, yet complain the X-men now aren't how they remember now and should come back to it. Ah, life without a sense of irony must be so dull...[/QUOTE]
It's like how people complained about the stale direction of the franchise and now we've got something new they...want to go back to the stale direction lol.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;4718889]No one has the right to call this "bad fanfic". I've seen some the ideas here and they're worst than Guggs-Men.[/QUOTE]
I stand by my idea of Cyclops going to the UN, blasting every world leader and becoming president of Brasil. And marrying Selene.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4718939]Doesn't matter, because if Jean sleeps with more than one man, that means she's a whore in some posters eyes. You can show them all naked, and some people would still deny.[/QUOTE]
Right the goal post is moving every week. By spring the discourse will be it dont count until we've seen full penetration on panel.
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[QUOTE=Omega Alpha;4718939]Doesn't matter, because if Jean sleeps with more than one man, that means she's a whore in some posters eyes. You can show them all naked, and some people would still deny.[/QUOTE]
Fans: Jean and Cyclops is stale
Writer: Fine *hooks her up with Hank*
Fans: You're making her into a hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe
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LOVED this panel...hilarious. As to why slut jokes in 2019, they are old ladies...they are supposed to be a bit anachronistic, no?
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4718951]I wonder why they haven't shown Emma doing someone else?
Because it is easy for scemma fans to be open to Jean doing many people at once but I wonder how they would react to Emma also doing someone else.
I think deep down that is the issue.
How would Cyclops or Emma or Scemma fans react to Emma loving someone else?
Because that's something jogan or jott fans had to deal for decades but scemma fans can't even imagine the posibility[/QUOTE]
I truly would not give two fucks.
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[QUOTE=JTFSXX;4719000][IMG]https://myalbum.com/photo/G22Vu5HkkK5R/360.jpg[/IMG]
LOVED this panel...hilarious. As to why slut jokes in 2019, they are old ladies...they are supposed to be a bit anachronistic, no?[/QUOTE]
LOVE the White Queef’s reaction here.
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'the hell did I just read? I hope that this book isn't going to be all about the X-Men jobbing to every single human who wants to bust up their Utopia. this was quite the embarrassing loss.
p.s. I did love the art.
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4719022]'the hell did I just read? I hope that this book isn't going to be all about the X-Men jobbing to every single human who wants to bust up their Utopia. this was quite the embarrassing loss.
p.s. I did love the art.[/QUOTE]
How easily they got jobbed was one of my fave parts. If mutants aren't ready to take down the golden girls what happens when countries start sending child soldiers and every other thing you can think of at them. They can't maintain this status quo and still 100 percent maintain themselves. It's interesting imo. How far will each individual mutant truly be willing to go. None of this group could bring themselves to do damage to the elderly do they send it other mutants who don't care. Do you resurrect your own Golden Girls of older mutants to make things right. lol.
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[QUOTE=powerpax;4719008]I truly would not give two fucks.[/QUOTE]
Right, its almost 2020, who gets hung up on women having more then one partner or how they explore their sexuality?
Unless you're Jean in which case its still 1963 for u and u need a contingent of people to defend your chastity.
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Now that i think about it i bet Destiny and Mystique would have heel toed on these ladies. lol
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4719024]How easily they got jobbed was one of my fave parts. If mutants aren't ready to take down the golden girls what happens when countries start sending child soldiers and every other thing you can think of at them. They can't maintain this status quo and still 100 percent maintain themselves. It's interesting imo. How far will each individual mutant truly be willing to go. None of this group could bring themselves to do damage to the elderly do they send it other mutants who don't care. Do you resurrect your own Golden Girls of older mutants to make things right. lol.[/QUOTE]
My problem is that the HOXPOX premise is that humans need decades to use technology to catch up, which the mutant-machine war bought them. Turns out, they don't need any time as every random human can stop Omega Mutants, telepaths and trained Mutant soldiers without breaking a sweat. It unsells everything HOXPOX was about.
The general point might be to create new villains, but the path is shorthanded to such a point where their victories are too numerous, too unearned, and too unbelievable. In this issue, they could've used other ways to establish the Hellfire Grannies, but the way it played out, every Mutant is a moron, the humans have extreme plot armor, and the scene feels ridiculous. It's just not interesting storytelling. It's more like a playground fight.
"I use the gates to get to you."
"No, you can't. I control them!"
"I read your mind."
"No, you can't. I have psi-blockers!"
"I zap you."
"No you can't. I have power dampeners!"
"I got you down."
"No, you don't. I was playing possum!"
"I wouldn't fall for that. I know you took down a bunch of Mutants including one right in front of me and have advanced technology."
"Yes, you do because I said so! Ha, I win!"
So lazy.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;4719024]How easily they got jobbed was one of my fave parts. If mutants aren't ready to take down the golden girls what happens when countries start sending child soldiers and every other thing you can think of at them. They can't maintain this status quo and still 100 percent maintain themselves. It's interesting imo. How far will each individual mutant truly be willing to go. None of this group could bring themselves to do damage to the elderly do they send it other mutants who don't care. Do you resurrect your own Golden Girls of older mutants to make things right. lol.[/QUOTE]
Magneto would have killed them with their own armor now that Chuck isn't around to wag his finger.
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[QUOTE=tuck frump;4719030]Right, its almost 2020, who gets hung up on women having more then one partner or how they explore their sexuality?
Unless you're Jean in which case its still 1963 for u and u need a contingent of people to defend your chastity.[/QUOTE]
Nobody, I don't at least. That's why i asked about Emma.
In fact I don't have a problem with poly either (doubts if these are the right characters for it i have though)
But I found it weird when a scemma shipper for some reason was calling Jean a whore.
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4719042]Magneto would have killed them with their own armor now that Chuck isn't around to wag his finger.[/QUOTE]
I think most people on the Council wouldn't have been as hesitant as Scott. Or as eager to make a big speech as Shaw (okay no, most people on the Council would have tried to make a big speech too).
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4719042]Magneto would have killed them with their own armor now that Chuck isn't around to wag his finger.[/QUOTE]
LMAO. I totally just imagine magneto looking at Shaw, emma, and Cyclops with utter disappointment he'd probably be all "Really?" lol I think he used the right mutants on this issue. I wonder how Storm would feel about what they are trying to do. I could see her trying to find some middle ground with the plan that won't kill humans/mutants.
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[QUOTE=Veitha;4719047]I think most people on the Council wouldn't have been as hesitant as Scott. Or as eager to make a big speech as Shaw (okay no, most people on the Council would have tried to make a big speech too).[/QUOTE]
Magneto, Mystique and Apocalypse would have crushed them without contemplations. Exodus, Sinister and Xavier would have ended up as Shaw. Jean, Storm and Kurt would have ended up as Scott.
Kitty, I don't know, now she is merciless.
(This is like the McDonalds meme)
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[QUOTE=useridgoeshere;4719041]My problem is that the HOXPOX premise is that humans need decades to use technology to catch up, which the mutant-machine war bought them. Turns out, they don't need any time as every random human can stop Omega Mutants, telepaths and trained Mutant soldiers without breaking a sweat. It unsells everything HOXPOX was about.
The general point might be to create new villains, but the path is shorthanded to such a point where their victories are too numerous, too unearned, and too unbelievable. In this issue, they could've used other ways to establish the Hellfire Grannies, but the way it played out, every Mutant is a moron, the humans have extreme plot armor, and the scene feels ridiculous. It's just not interesting storytelling. It's more like a playground fight.
"I use the gates to get to you."
"No, you can't. I control them!"
"I read your mind."
"No, you can't. I have psi-blockers!"
"I zap you."
"No you can't. I have power dampeners!"
"I got you down."
"No, you don't. I was playing possum!"
"I wouldn't fall for that. I know you took down a bunch of Mutants including one right in front of me and have advanced technology."
"Yes, you do because I said so! Ha, I win!"
So lazy.[/QUOTE]
Things happening way earlier in this timeline was already addressed as a plot point (like Sinisters experimentation with Chimeras is supposed to be way in the future but he’s already working on it now.
Re this issue, your personal mileage will vary but I enjoyed this one cause it was a playground scrap as you say. The mutants were not expecting what they encountered, and weren’t even trying all that hard. Nice change of pace for me from people who just hate mutants because. These guys specifically hate what the mutants have done with Krakoa and the impact it has on their own plans. Makes them not such clear cut bad guys and I’m curious how their later issues pan out.
And I’m a Scott/Emma fan so I really liked their interaction here. I don’t much care who Jean is with long as it’s not Logan (just please no let that die). I wonder if Emma is the one person Scott loves that referenced in the previous issue.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4719045]Nobody, I don't at least. That's why i asked about Emma.
In fact I don't have a problem with poly either (doubts if these are the right characters for it i have though)
But I found it weird when a scemma shipper for some reason was calling Jean a whore.[/QUOTE]
I was not targetting u specifically but its a prevalent sentiment. Idk abt Emma fans calling Jean a whore.
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[QUOTE=useridgoeshere;4719041]My problem is that the HOXPOX premise is that humans need decades to use technology to catch up, which the mutant-machine war bought them. Turns out, they don't need any time as every random human can stop Omega Mutants, telepaths and trained Mutant soldiers without breaking a sweat. It unsells everything HOXPOX was about.
The general point might be to create new villains, but the path is shorthanded to such a point where their victories are too numerous, too unearned, and too unbelievable. In this issue, they could've used other ways to establish the Hellfire Grannies, but the way it played out, every Mutant is a moron, the humans have extreme plot armor, and the scene feels ridiculous. It's just not interesting storytelling. It's more like a playground fight.
"I use the gates to get to you."
"No, you can't. I control them!"
"I read your mind."
"No, you can't. I have psi-blockers!"
"I zap you."
"No you can't. I have power dampeners!"
"I got you down."
"No, you don't. I was playing possum!"
"I wouldn't fall for that. I know you took down a bunch of Mutants including one right in front of me and have advanced technology."
"Yes, you do because I said so! Ha, I win!"
So lazy.[/QUOTE]
I can't disagree with you. While i found the issue hilarious i can definitely see all the points you've made. I think the biggest thing i try to give extra credit or leeway for is they don't want to retread old stories which is obvious to me so Hickman is literally building imo a brand new x-verse where the past was the past but going forward the other books will explore the high concepts he puts forward so i think of it more as a world building anthology than an actual book where i'm expecting deep story. X-men will proably end up being the mutant bible for the MU and MCU.
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[QUOTE=Michael Watkins;4719042]Magneto would have killed them with their own armor now that Chuck isn't around to wag his finger.[/QUOTE]
Gravity Squeeze.
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[QUOTE=Glio;4719064]Magneto, Mystique and Apocalypse would have crushed them without contemplations. Exodus, Sinister and Xavier would have ended up as Shaw. Jean, Storm and Kurt would have ended up as Scott.
Kitty, I don't know, now she is merciless.
(This is like the McDonalds meme)[/QUOTE]
Kitty for damn sure better have hit one of them with a champagne bottle. she doesn't seem opposed to harming humans. no reason to start with Blanche, Dorothy, and co.
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What a funny ol' day in the lives of the merry mutants..
I thought it was all fun enough. I was fretting when I saw Pixie, that got my back up, 'Get away from her, you bastard', is what I thought, but as it turned out, it was fine. She has a role and a location, Cool.
Hordeculture are odd, but funny enough to enjoy. C-words or H-words, you decide.
It's very odd and lacking of the x-folk for a flagship title though.
Havok is Scott' one, the only question is, whether they dare with the bros before hoes line! Oof
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[QUOTE=Ultimate Rogue;4719109]What a funny ol' day in the lives of the merry mutants..
I thought it was all fun enough. I was fretting when I saw Pixie, that got my back up, 'Get away from her, you bastard', is what I thought, but as it turned out, it was fine. She has a role and a location, Cool.
Hordeculture are odd, but funny enough to enjoy. C-words or H-words, you decide.
It's very odd and lacking of the x-folk for a flagship title though.
Havok is Scott' one, the only question is, whether they dare with the bros before hoes line! Oof[/QUOTE]
I honestly could read a book where a bunch of old ladies beat Sebastian Shaw up and make poor attempts to trash talk Emma Frost at the same time.
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[QUOTE=Gotham citizen;4718785]Being an ex X-Men reader can I ask you a thing: what the hell is this bunch of mutant garbage I see around?
X-men who fight against some steampunk grannies?
Scott and Jean are again a couple, but Jean lend Scott to Emma and Scott lend Jean to Logan?
Apocalypse who ask to be called ···---|=|---··· or something like that; how should I read that?
Are the Marvel's writers snorting the washing powder?
I hope you will forgive the rudeness of my outburst.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I wouldn't talk about the Kraked in these terms, but at the very least they seem like a foolishly incompetent crowd right now.
Don't care with the who is sleeping with who either though.
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[QUOTE=Jackraow21;4718895]I do wonder how long they’re going to keep teasing this polyamory stuff. Just show it already. Scott and Emma, Logan and Jean, Emma and Jean, whatever. It’s 2019. We can handle it.[/QUOTE]
I expect that's what we'll get in the upcoming [I]Giant-Size X-Men[/I] #1.
Scott and Jean are each other's "Primary", Logan is Jean's "Secondary", and Emma is Scott's "Secondary".
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On another note, the ladies of Hordeculture are totally evil versions of The Golden Girls.
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[QUOTE=FUBAR007;4719148]I expect that's what we'll get in the upcoming [I]Giant-Size X-Men[/I] #1.
Scott and Jean are each other's "Primary", Logan is Jean's "Secondary", and Emma is Scott's "Secondary".[/QUOTE]
I love that Scott and Logan are brother-husbands now. It’s pretty much the most hilarious and trollish thing that’s ever happened in the X-Men.
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If that is happening, I hope they get at least one threesome. Just to say in the future that it happened.
I wonder how would Cyclops and Wolverine react. They both like Jean but being in bed with the other with all the story of good and bad things between the two.
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[QUOTE=phoenixzero23;4719192]If that is happening, I hope they get at least one threesome. Just to say in the future that it happened.
I wonder how would Cyclops and Wolverine react. They both like Jean but being in bed with the other with all the story of good and bad things between the two.
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They’ve beaten each other to a bloody pulp. May as well beat each other to a different kind of messy ending.
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[QUOTE=The Quiet Councilor;4719182]I love that Scott and Logan are brother-husbands now. It’s pretty much the most hilarious and trollish thing that’s ever happened in the X-Men.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather Hickman have the guts to play it dead straight--honest and sentimental.
I'm sick of trollish meta-commentary.
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[QUOTE=FUBAR007;4719205]I'd rather Hickman have the guts to play it dead straight--honest and sentimental.
I'm sick of trollish meta-commentary.[/QUOTE]
You could always just ignore it.
Seems to be a successful strategy for many posters here. Maybe even a "win" in the longer term.