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[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;5143350]I do think Coates established that a long distance relationship with them can work, if writers are willing or interested in writing it that way. Every time I see the cover with Ororo and Death, I always that of Black Panther. The visual similarities are obvious, IMO. But, even in the interview, the X Swords writers admitted to Marvel covers being misleading, so who knows about that cover. I also wonder if the reason Coates' last couple of issues were pushed back until next year was that he was asked to make changes to his original script.[/QUOTE]
thats an interesting theory about his script being changed. but duggan mentioned they were trying to wait for his story to be done before trying to to do his thing in marauders so I'm not quite sure. it can work if writers care enough to make it work. for instance why didn't ororo reach out to tchslla about her techno virus? he's like one of the world's greatest mind but she didnt think to talk to him about that? its things like this that make me unsure that is what the xoffices ultimately want to do.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5143385]That's where I'm at. Vita is black so having them be the one to pull the trigger and break Storm/T'Challa up in one issue might be better than having Gerry doing it, at least from an optics standpoint. I like to think they're a professional and won't **** on T'Challa and Wakanda in the process (this is an X-book after all) but at the end of the day an amicable separation is good enough for me.
Plenty of qualified men at the X-offices can take on Storm and as you said, the current state of the MCU makes their pairing unlikely. Even if Disney recasts T'Challa (and there's a good chance they don't) they'll cast someone as closely as possible to Boseman so as to not disorient audiences more than necessary. Meaning T'Challa remains in his late thirties-early forties while Storm probably won't be any older than 35. They're more likely to put her with Forge or Logan at this point than T'Challa even before Boseman's tragic passing.
Plus it's hard to say what Coates had in store for them in his last 3 issues. He already planted the seeds for some trouble in their romance with stuff like Nakia. She may be dead, but Storm has made clear she has other responsibilities. We know from the X-books Krakoa has a policy of regime change in non-treaty nations and T'Challa may respect Krakoa's meaning for mutants but has shown no indication of accepting their deal.
For all we know his last issue was them breaking up. They're on different paths and with the inevitable relaunch of the BP books in 2021-2022 and claims that Storm is gonna be a major player in the X-books after XoS, they should be fully immersed in their own franchises.[/QUOTE]
nahhh I dont see them breaking them up in one issue like this I mean for what? vita would have to pull something crazy dramatic to do this because as of last they were together the two of them were fine and in love.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5143391]nahhh I dont see them breaking them up in one issue like this I mean for what? vita would have to pull something crazy dramatic to do this because as of last they were together the two of them were fine and in love.[/QUOTE]
I mean it is a bit shady that there's an issue of her visiting her boyfriend's place, there's a panel of her boyfriend looking sad, and the very next issue she's dancing sensually with a whole different man lol. I'm not saying they're broken up, but something must've changed and I doubt it was T'Challa proposing again.
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When does Coates run even take place? You have T'challa lost in the future for who knows how long, then he's back and there is some space opera war with Venom or something, but meanwhile T'challa is leading the Avengers and Ororo is a leader on Krakoa, a pirate, and dying of a robot virus? I mean, wtf?
Their relationship has no cohesion between themselves OR their respective teams\the universe at large.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5143414]I mean it is a bit shady that there's an issue of her visiting her boyfriend's place, there's a panel of her boyfriend looking sad, and the very next issue she's dancing sensually with a whole different man lol. I'm not saying they're broken up, but something must've changed and I doubt it was T'Challa proposing again.[/QUOTE]
I agree to all of this. I'm trying to reserve further frustrations until the issues come out buy the xoffices definitely look like they are playing their games again with these two. im not here 4 any of it.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;5143418]When does Coates run even take place? You have T'challa lost in the future for who knows how long, then he's back and there is some space opera war with Venom or something, but meanwhile T'challa is leading the Avengers and Ororo is a leader on Krakoa, a pirate, and dying of a robot virus? I mean, wtf?[/QUOTE]
its definitely occurring in the hickman xmen as storm is mentioned during xmen duties for krakoa by shuri.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5143418]When does Coates run even take place? You have T'challa lost in the future for who knows how long, then he's back and there is some space opera war with Venom or something, but meanwhile T'challa is leading the Avengers and Ororo is a leader on Krakoa, a pirate, and dying of a robot virus? I mean, wtf?[/QUOTE]
Time doesn't move differently for black characters at Marvel. T'Challa's in space while being an Avenger the same way Thor is a herald of Galactus yet still an Avenger. Characters with solos who make appearances in other books exist incoherently 24/7 unless there's an event that forces them to do otherwise. T'Challa was gone for what a few weeks (1-2 months) in-universe? So we can assume most of this run happens either in between his adventures with the Avengers or before the most recent run started. There's A LOT wrong with the Coates run but I don't think its placement in the time scale is one of them.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5143427]its definitely occurring in the hickman xmen as storm is mentioned during xmen duties for krakoa by shuri.[/QUOTE]
Considering the story isn't even done yet, and T'challa has only just returned and they in the midst of the big battle, this entire story has to be set in the past before T'challa takes over the currently ongoing Avengers run, which is contemporaneous to the most current x-books, as evidenced by the Empyre crossovers. The fact that however Coates's run ends doesn't impact current canon should be indicative of its relative importance. If Coates refers to Krakoa, it must take place in the earliest phase that was largely skipped as referenced in HoX last year.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5143443]Considering the story isn't even done yet, and T'challa has only just returned and they in the midst of the big battle, this entire story has to be set in the past before T'challa takes over the currently ongoing Avengers run, which is contemporaneous to the most current x-books, as evidenced by the Empyre crossovers. The fact that however Coates's run ends doesn't impact current canon should be indicative of its relative importance. If Coates refers to Krakoa, it must take place in the earliest phase that was largely skipped as referenced in HoX last year.[/QUOTE]
Ehhhh. Marvel editors as you know dont pay attention to these details when it comes to their own canonical timeline. I think Hickman's contribution to the current mythos may depict an alternative picture but often times these writers create stories independent of what is going on in other books.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5143362]I hope they cut that cord. T'challa has his own franchise to focus on, he doesn't need Ororo flying in out of nowhere to goddess the problems away before floating back to the X-Men. In an alternate universe they could work, in terms of the current Marvel comics\MCU, they are on completely separate paths.
If the MCU were going to recast T'challa with a new actor in the 25-30 range, and cast Ororo with an actress in the 20-25 range, I would be more open to them continuing in the comics, but let's be real. They will not. And the Coates run is not going to be remembered fondly or referenced much in the future. Both he and Hudlin failed with the couple despite being given a ton of creative license. And barring a huge leap, they won't happen in the MCU. The experiment has failed. Let it rest, and just build up each character as best as they can be, separately.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I'd rather see what the X-Men writers have in store for her. They seem eager to take her on a journey and my curiosity is piqued. Coates bored me to tears.
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One of my friends has already read the Storm issue thats dropping on tomorrow and saud its really good! I cant wait!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5144260]One of my friends has already read the Storm issue thats dropping on tomorrow and saud [B]its really good[/B]! I cant wait![/QUOTE]
So mote it be!
Ase, ase!
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5144372]So mote it be!
Ase, ase![/QUOTE]
you know I'm not easily impressed so we shall see what tomorrow holds. I'm sure Russell will deliver with the art but I'm not really sure about the story. I hope hickman brings his a game
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I hope so too. He's been sleeping on Ororo in all his showings with her so far. And I'm talking about ALL his works, FF and Avengers runs included. Storm is not in his usual sweet spot of 'mean, smarty pants' archetype. He's going to have to stretch a bit.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5144457]I hope so too. He's been sleeping on Ororo in all his showings with her so far. And I'm talking about ALL his works, FF and Avengers runs included. Storm is not in his usual sweet spot of 'mean, smarty pants' archetype. He's going to have to stretch a bit.[/QUOTE]
I keep forgetting about his ff/avengers stuff. I'm curious as to how the community of storm fans will receive this issue tomorrow. it should be very interesting.
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Today is Giant-Size eve my friends. Praying to the goddess for something good.
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[FONT=Georgia][COLOR="#000080"][QUOTE=Dipter;5144482]Today is Giant-Size eve my friends. Praying to the goddess for something good.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you, really looking forward to picking that up tomorrow.[/COLOR][/FONT]
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[QUOTE=Dipter;5144482]Today is Giant-Size eve my friends. Praying to the goddess for something good.[/QUOTE]
me too beloved. I hope I'm not looking like this after reading that issue:
[img]https://i1.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/xos5-min.png?fit=580%2C1024&ssl=1[/img]
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A lot of people seem to have their doubts about Ororo and T'Challa, but you guys forget that if they cut their romance the Godhood of Storm will not be fully explored, as it should be. Therefore, I wonder do we really want them to break up or something? I mean if they do that, how Storm will grow as a Goddess, if she is not part of the BP comics? More solos? It will make no sense if she is dealing with Wakandian Godhood issues, while not seeing T'Challa or something. It will make even less sense if they move her to another Pantheon, I mean what other Pantheon could take Storm and her Godhood with the X-Office Universe? We need to look at the bigger picture here.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5144510]me too beloved. I hope I'm not looking like this after reading that issue:
[img]https://i1.wp.com/aiptcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/xos5-min.png?fit=580%2C1024&ssl=1[/img][/QUOTE]
Kyss, I’ll take looking like that any day of my life lol. But I know what you mean. Our friend’s optimistic words have given me hope though, which I hope I don’t regret. The calm before the Storm today, but I literally took a half day at work to be at my LCS as soon as they open. Feels like Christmas Eve. I’m so excited.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5144524]A lot of people seem to have their doubts about Ororo and T'Challa, but you guys forget that if they cut their romance the Godhood of Storm will not be fully explored, as it should be. Therefore, I wonder do we really want them to break up or something? I mean if they do that, how Storm will grow as a Goddess, if she is not part of the BP comics? More solos? It will make no sense if she is dealing with Wakandian Godhood issues, while not seeing T'Challa or something. It will make even less sense if they move her to another Pantheon, I mean what other Pantheon could take Storm and her Godhood with the X-Office Universe? We need to look at the bigger picture here.[/QUOTE]
Coates has been writing the book for years and has barely done anything with his Hadari Yao concept. Snooze you lose, playa. Ororo has been a goddess from day one, always will be.
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Storm's Godhood and the exploration thereof is not in any way shape or form dependent on her relationship with T'Challa/Wakanda. It never was. nor will it ever be.
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Speaking as a Hickman fan I really don't think The Giant Size is gonna be as hype as people are making it out to be. It's issue has mostly been set up amd world building so far, I think the issue will look good and Storm will have some good moments in it but I doubt it will have any huge momentous for Storm fans.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5144524]A lot of people seem to have their doubts about Ororo and T'Challa, but you guys forget that if they cut their romance the Godhood of Storm will not be fully explored, as it should be. Therefore, I wonder do we really want them to break up or something? I mean if they do that, how Storm will grow as a Goddess, if she is not part of the BP comics? More solos? It will make no sense if she is dealing with Wakandian Godhood issues, while not seeing T'Challa or something. It will make even less sense if they move her to another Pantheon, I mean what other Pantheon could take Storm and her Godhood with the X-Office Universe? We need to look at the bigger picture here.[/QUOTE]
exactly! people can shade coates or bp/storm romance until the cows come home but the fact of the matter is storm wasnt given any type of character development for eons prior to coates development of the character. I guess people found her taking orders from kitty more interesting:
[img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0MYJkPp6WLELEi9q/source.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5144530]Kyss, I’ll take looking like that any day of my life lol. But I know what you mean. Our friend’s optimistic words have given me hope though, which I hope I don’t regret. The calm before the Storm today, but I literally took a half day at work to be at my LCS as soon as they open. Feels like Christmas Eve. I’m so excited.[/QUOTE]
right!!! our gurl is a snack and snatched for the wakandan gods. lol. im excited too! I really really hope hickman delivers.
also, can we discuss what we were talking about with the debate regarding her godhood on reddit? why does there appear to be some adamant to undermine what coates work regarding her development?
people are willing to accept retcons if other characters making them more powerful than they originally were but even when historical showings support this new reveal dating back to Claremont's original uncanny run people still try their hardest to discredit this story.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5144543]Storm's Godhood and the exploration thereof is not in any way shape or form dependent on her relationship with T'Challa/Wakanda. It never was. nor will it ever be.[/QUOTE]
She has been part of the Wakandan Pantheon, so I do believe that her godhood has an important role and part with Wakanda. Even though she is still a goddess if she gets faith from people even if a small tribe. I honestly think that they should expand and touch on another Pantheon where she can place roots. Me personally, I would love to see something Eldrich in her from the Pantheon of the Old Ones which predate Earth. I think it will be a really good and extreme power boost for her Godhood.
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5144561]She has been part of the Wakandan Pantheon, so I do believe that her godhood has an important role and part with Wakanda. Even though she is still a goddess if she gets faith from people even if a small tribe. I honestly think that they should expand and touch on another Pantheon where she can place roots. Me personally, I would love to see something Eldrich in her from the Pantheon of the Old Ones which predate Earth. I think it will be a really good and extreme power boost for her Godhood.[/QUOTE]
hmm hmm and it wasn't like the xoffices were doing anything to explore this aspect of her character. unless of course you take into account this story:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107222/6373325-6365621-stormcaster%2Bsummoning%2B%283%29.jpg[/img]
also, let's be fair prior to Coates it was generally understood by most and canocially established she was not a real god in 616 canon:
[img]https://64.media.tumblr.com/65827d76c9b576a12dc9cffa827972af/tumblr_olymh8x9fB1vgd4xpo2_1280.jpg[/img]
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more storm teas :)
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh-c2GmVkAAb3iD?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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We must not accept the heresies of that issue. The writer didn't have the skill nor vision to handle the matter of divinity.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5144580]more storm teas :)
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh-c2GmVkAAb3iD?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/QUOTE]
I was about to post that one but I see you got there first. :D
Really amazing cover, I love it!
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5144594]We must not accept the heresies of that issue. The writer didn't have the skill nor vision to handle the matter of divinity.[/QUOTE]
lmfao I'm screaming. it's so crazy how time can change your perspective at the time I sent hard for that solo but now I feel mostly how you did st that the time which was that it wasn't cute. I vaguely recall u being done after that issue dropped lol
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[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5144604]I was about to post that one but I see you got there first. :D
Really amazing cover, I love it![/QUOTE]
lolol its a cute cover. I'm ready 4 that issue to drop too.
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Take it for the subjective grain of salt that it is but... Kyss and I were told by an informed source that tomorrow is a 10/10. That’s all, no further details but still, figured I’d pass it on to y’all to do with what you will.
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[QUOTE=Ororo101;5144678]Take it for the subjective grain of salt that it is but... Kyss and I were told by an informed source that tomorrow is a 10/10. That’s all, no further details but still, figured I’d pass it on to y’all to do with what you will.[/QUOTE]
yes I'm ready to see if our source is correct. we shall see
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Thanks for sharing , wish I could draw.
Is it me or is blood Storm looking like wesley snipes blade.
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Giant Size Storm is happening tommorow right!?
I can set my alarm for the morning, correct?
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yasssssss come thru!! thank you for sharing i like the different looks inspired from her canon
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5144629]lmfao I'm screaming. it's so crazy how time can change your perspective at the time I sent hard for that solo but now I feel mostly how you did st that the time which was that it wasn't cute. I vaguely recall u being done after that issue dropped lol[/QUOTE]
Lol. I was banned for a hot second when that issue dropped. :o
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5145008]Giant Size Storm is happening tommorow right!?
I can set my alarm for the morning, correct?[/QUOTE]
Yup! Happy GSXS Eve, fam. Sleep well.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5144594]We must not accept the heresies of that issue. The writer didn't have the skill nor vision to handle the matter of divinity.[/QUOTE]
Ya know, I understand why the writer did it but I agree embracing Storm's magic and divinity is far more interesting than acting like it was never there to begin with. Claremont's story reeks of problematic "gullible primitives" tropes, but it was gradually self corrected in later stories and opens up far more interesting avenues for subversion and storytelling. Goddess Storm isn't the only plot I wanna see for Ororo but it's got a lot of potential, hopefully Hickman and Vita see that.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5145042]Lol. I was banned for a hot second when that issue dropped. :o[/QUOTE].
oh really??? I don't recall the ban but definitely remember you not being ok with that issue.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5145063]Ya know, I understand why the writer did it but I agree embracing Storm's magic and divinity is far more interesting than acting like it was never there to begin with. Claremont's story reeks of problematic "gullible primitives" tropes, but it was gradually self corrected in later stories and opens up far more interesting avenues for subversion and storytelling. Goddess Storm isn't the only plot I wanna see for Ororo but it's got a lot of potential, hopefully Hickman and Vita see that.[/QUOTE]
it has sooooo much potential but I'm not getting the sense that Hickman and crew want to touch that. but maybe after tomorrow I will see differently