Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5169990]I adore nudist Ororo. I don't even care about the cheesecake factor, she owns it in a graceful nature goddess sort of way. Classical beauty. Archetypal. Iconic.

I feel like Ororo would relish the tropical climate of Krakoa and dip back into that vibe, instead of the full bodysuit.[B] I like to think she's back in a treehouse like when she was a teen aged goddess.
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I agree. Speaking of which...we're yet to see Ororo's Krakoan abode.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5170493]Speaking of which...we're yet to see Ororo's abode.[/QUOTE]

Huh you're right. Where would y'all think Storm would post up?

I envision her making her home in one of the mountains of Krakoa next to a waterfall.

I'm thinking a forested area where the trees form the abode...a literal tree house. And yes, there's a waterfall and a river and an over-abundance of flowering plants. And as Yogababe showed...I somewhat expect it to an almost replica of her home back in Kenya.

Wherever she goes believe me, I can see tons of young X-men figuring out the location. Lol

Does anyone know if Olivier Coipel is doing any future X-Men work? He posted the following on Instagram:

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[QUOTE=orionblue;5170962]Does anyone know if Olivier Coipel is doing any future X-Men work? He posted the following on Instagram:

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Oohh. Looks like a Dark future Limbo Storm.
I wonder where this is from.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5169845]putting the writer's intentions aside, in stoty wakanda js willing to help krakoa so that does not indicate they are on bad terms at all

this panel is so freaking gorgeous


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What do they mean "her liquid eyes grow dark". Her eyes ain't supposed to get dark period

[QUOTE=metalclouds;5171010]What do they mean "her liquid eyes grow dark". Her eyes ain't supposed to get dark period[/QUOTE]

that was how her energy sight was first described. I dont think there was an instance after where her powers activating were shown as such.

[QUOTE=metalclouds;5171010]What do they mean "her liquid eyes grow dark". Her eyes ain't supposed to get dark period[/QUOTE]

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Here is the original. I think Len Wein was going with the idea that her eyes were mirroring the sky, darkening as the clouds thicken. In any case he is her co-creator and this is her first appearance, so she's whatever he says she is...

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Here is the original. I think Len Wein was going with the idea that her eyes were mirroring the sky, darkening as the clouds thicken. In any case he is her co-creator and this is her first appearance, so she's whatever he says she is...[/QUOTE]

I think the all white eyes work better but if I'm bring fair its probably because it's all I've seen when she uses her powers.

I always thought that her eyes were supposed to mirror the weather pattern she was manipulating and then the (lazy) artist just simplified it to her eyes going all-white. And it stuck.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5169418][COLOR="#000080"]Looks good now but I still don't trust an X-writer not to do something rotten.

A couple of panels isn't enough to wash away the stink they have.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]


All it takes is ONE writer or EDITOR to screw stuff up.

[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;5171128]All it takes is ONE writer or EDITOR to screw stuff up.[/QUOTE]

I know you have expressed concern with Ororo in the BP mythos but curious did you have issue with T'Challa being able to control Mjolnir better than thor? I would agree all it takes is one and im not convinced the xoffices will so right by Ororo wirh all Tanehesi Coates was able to do for her.

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Here is the original. I think Len Wein was going with the idea that her eyes were mirroring the sky, darkening as the clouds thicken. In any case he is her co-creator and this is her first appearance, so she's whatever he says she is...[/QUOTE]

nah idc what he said...her eyes are supposed to be white when using her powers. IF they wanted them dark they should've stuck with it through all these decades and they didn't. She looks demonized with all black eyes.

You do know this is the original story written and illustrated and published way back in 1975? Right? You do know who Len Wein is, right? They didn't change any of script for the tribute issue, just the illustrations.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5171264]You do know this is the original story written and illustrated and published way back in 1975? Right? You do know who Len Wein is, right? They didn't change any of script for the tribute issue, just the illustrations.[/QUOte]

yeah...............

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5171143]I know you have expressed concern with Ororo in the BP mythos but curious did you have issue with T'Challa being able to control Mjolnir better than thor? I would agree all it takes is one and im not convinced the xoffices will so right by Ororo wirh all Tanehesi Coates was able to do for her.[/QUOTE]

He wasn't controlling Mjolnir, it just refused to him him.

[QUOTE=Cville;5171316]He wasn't controlling Mjolnir, it just refused to him him.[/QUOTE]

but it hitting thor makes sense? storm being worshipped by wakandans and becoming a Wakandan goddess was the worst thing that could happen according to some but bp getting a better showing with mjolnir than thor is business as usual? I would hope there is same amount of outrage with that showing.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5171371]but it hitting thor makes sense? storm being worshipped by wakandans and becoming a Wakandan goddess was the worst thing that could happen according to some but bp getting a better showing with mjolnir than thor is business as usual? I would hope there is same amount of outrage with that showing.[/QUOTE]

It didn't make sense but the difference between T'Challa performing better than Thor and Storm doing better than T'Challa is that it happened in a team book. Characters get punked in team books to elevate another character one arc and then the roles are reversed in a future story. That's what happens when you're on a team and everybody needs to get their moment to shine.

T'Challa was barely even in the previous Starbrand arc, the characters that got the best depiction were Black Widow and Blade. Solo books are different, well over 50% percent of the feats and big moments should be going to the main protagonist. Supporting characters like Storm shouldn't be getting all the powerups and taking down the big bads.

My issue isn't even that she became a goddess, I liked that part, I just don't like that she did all the heavy lifting against Adversary and Killmonger. And that she was used to retcon what we know about the Wakandan gods. Storm could've gotten all her development without outshining T'Challa in his own book.

I hate seeing comment like this. Storm is not outshining anyone in their own book. I do feel they tend to write his book as a team Avenger book with plot focus mainly on him and yeah with a Smaller cast Storm got to shine. Which is why I advocate for two books. Avenger and and X-Men get companion books that work in tandem. One Black Panther book and another where Tchalla gets his Nick Fury on with full assemble Wakanda Cast. The Second book really showcase Shuri leadership. Plenty of Mission for The Hatut Zeerase and Dora's . And new cast members showing different branches of the cog that is Wakanda. Vibrax Gentle , Queen Divine Justice, Manifold, The White Wolf.. And Storm can show up in both. I want to see her on a mission with the Hatut Zeerase so badly.

No offense but World of Wakanda was such a let down.

And you see how that could be a problem for actual T'Challa fans right? To be written as a lead of an ensemble and not an actual solo character like literally all of his white male peers? If Storm had a book but it was really a stealth X-title where Oya and Emma got half the shine, would Storm fans not be demanding that the writer do more with Storm? This is the reality BP fans have been facing since 2016.

And while I agree two books would be ideal I'd rather be realistic. T'Challa hardly sells by himself. Priest sold poorly, Hudlin did better but still was one of the weaker selling books, and now Coates is putting up some of the worst solo sales at Marvel. Black Panther isn't popular enough to support two ongoing titles, the only characters that do that consistently are Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man.

So sure, a Shuri-led World of Wakanda book with T'Challa and Storm migrating in and out of the title would be great, but it'd probably do even worse than the current book. The only way T'Challa fans will be happy is for T'Challa to be written like a strong, dominating lead like Tony or Steve and for everyone else, including Storm, to take a backseat and get less moments to shine.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5171371]but it hitting thor makes sense? storm being worshipped by wakandans and becoming a Wakandan goddess was the worst thing that could happen according to some but bp getting a better showing with mjolnir than thor is business as usual? I would hope there is same amount of outrage with that showing.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]I am totally outraged by what happened to Thor!!!

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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5171431]I hate seeing comment like this. Storm is not outshining anyone in their own book. I do feel they tend to write his book as a team Avenger book with plot focus mainly on him and yeah with a Smaller cast Storm got to shine. Which is why I advocate for two books. Avenger and and X-Men get companion books that work in tandem. One Black Panther book and another where Tchalla gets his Nick Fury on with full assemble Wakanda Cast. The Second book really showcase Shuri leadership. Plenty of Mission for The Hatut Zeerase and Dora's . And new cast members showing different branches of the cog that is Wakanda. Vibrax Gentle , Queen Divine Justice, Manifold, The White Wolf.. And Storm can show up in both. I want to see her on a mission with the Hatut Zeerase so badly.

[B]No offense but World of Wakanda was such a let down.[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]No offense taken at all. WoW was a waste of a title.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5171371]but it hitting thor makes sense? storm being worshipped by wakandans and becoming a Wakandan goddess was the worst thing that could happen according to some but bp getting a better showing with mjolnir than thor is business as usual? I would hope there is same amount of outrage with that showing.[/QUOTE]

There probably is outrage in the Thor community. Most likely has been since this arc started.

[QUOTE=Cville;5171512]There probably is outrage in the Thor community. Most likely has been since this arc started.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]It reminds me of Age of Ultron where T'Challa, one of the most graceful, acrobatic and athletic characters in all of comics fell and broke his neck. Oh Bendis, you funny guy.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=chief12d;5171408]It didn't make sense but the difference between T'Challa performing better than Thor and Storm doing better than T'Challa is that it happened in a team book. Characters get punked in team books to elevate another character one arc and then the roles are reversed in a future story. That's what happens when you're on a team and everybody needs to get their moment to shine.

T'Challa was barely even in the previous Starbrand arc, the characters that got the best depiction were Black Widow and Blade. Solo books are different, well over 50% percent of the feats and big moments should be going to the main protagonist. Supporting characters like Storm shouldn't be getting all the powerups and taking down the big bads.

My issue isn't even that she became a goddess, I liked that part, I just don't like that she did all the heavy lifting against Adversary and Killmonger. And that she was used to retcon what we know about the Wakandan gods. Storm could've gotten all her development without outshining T'Challa in his own book.[/QUOTE]

BP has no ability to beat the Adversary. None whatsoever. Storm had to do the heavy lifting and that’s okay. Heroes get help from other heroes.

[QUOTE=orionblue;5170962]Does anyone know if Olivier Coipel is doing any future X-Men work? He posted the following on Instagram:

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Colossus is looking zaddy.

Also...

*sages the hell out of this thread*

Storm fans are dragging JDW on twitter because he's so clueless of her powers LMAO

[QUOTE=chief12d;5171408]It didn't make sense but the difference between T'Challa performing better than Thor and Storm doing better than T'Challa is that it happened in a team book. Characters get punked in team books to elevate another character one arc and then the roles are reversed in a future story. That's what happens when you're on a team and everybody needs to get their moment to shine.

T'Challa was barely even in the previous Starbrand arc, the characters that got the best depiction were Black Widow and Blade. Solo books are different, well over 50% percent of the feats and big moments should be going to the main protagonist. Supporting characters like Storm shouldn't be getting all the powerups and taking down the big bads.

My issue isn't even that she became a goddess, I liked that part, I just don't like that she did all the heavy lifting against Adversary and Killmonger. And that she was used to retcon what we know about the Wakandan gods. Storm could've gotten all her development without outshining T'Challa in his own book.[/QUOTE]

team book or not tchalla should never have a better showing with mjolnir than thor. that would be like jean manipulating the weather better than ororo in uncanny because its a team book. weather is Storm's baby as mjolnir is thor's. you can show different characters shining while not chomping out one character in favor of another.


Storm didn't get all the powerups though. In fact what type of powerups would tchalla have not related to tech? He's peak human unless you wanted him to become a god or something but Ororo's canon established she was supposed to become an actual goddess a long time ago well before coates came on the scene.

Killmonger is still not defeated so she didn't do all the heavy lifting against him. in fact Ororo including the other wakandans had to retreat. Adversary is a different beast and I dont see what tchalla could do honestly against him other than slow him down. he just doesn't have the type of arsenal to be any threat to adversary.

[QUOTE=HandofPrometheus;5171785]Storm fans are dragging JDW on twitter because he's so clueless of her powers LMAO[/QUOTE]

Twitter is an overflowing latrine.

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Not sold on this color variation for the Asrar costume, reminds me of the Jim Lee era costume that went from reflective silvery black to white under some artists and then peak white in the animated series. Dulls her edge and washes her out.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5169305]I come bearing gifts


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[COLOR="#000080"]They do seem genuinely happy to see her so that's a plus.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5170368]thnk you beloved!

fan art from angel solorzano


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That art is amazing!

And I don't know what is happening with BP right now but it seems like BP fans are angry with Storm for some reason? As far for the Adversary, I believe that T'Challa could have never done anything about him, since technology doesn't help against gods, only other godly beings do. I am sorry but Adversary is not something T'Challa can take on, except to slow him down.

I am not sure for what you are talking about guys, but the last time I remember, the Killmonger was possessed by a God, T'Challa cannot fight gods, Storm can with her godly powers that how things are. If Storm seals the god or takes it out, T'Challa can take it from there. I don't see how he is outshinned really...

[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5172333]That art is amazing!

And I don't know what is happening with BP right now but it seems like BP fans are angry with Storm for some reason? As far for the Adversary, I believe that T'Challa could have never done anything about him, since technology doesn't help against gods, only other godly beings do. I am sorry but Adversary is not something T'Challa can take on, except to slow him down.

I am not sure for what you are talking about guys, but the last time I remember, the Killmonger was possessed by a God, T'Challa cannot fight gods, Storm can with her godly powers that how things are. If Storm seals the god or takes it out, T'Challa can take it from there. I don't see how he is outshinned really...[/QUOTE]

He defeated one this week. Also defeated the tiger god in the Ultimates, Mephisto in Priest run, and a version of the living tribunal.

Guys, BP has defeated god character's before. I mean defeating a god character in comics is like going super sayian meaning basically any character has done it. Hell storm has "godly" powers (which is still pretty vague to me) and they have my girl getting flexed on in the x books by lesser characters. Hell look at thor, Thor has been getting his ass handed to him on a golden platter don't even get me started with Batman. Who hasn't defeated a god character at this point, I mean any character claiming godhood is just asking for an ass whoppin in fiction.

Hell, to me a character that's defeated a god tier character in comix isn't really anything to brag about anymore. I wouldn't be surprised that storm took out a god tier character cause she'd just be on a list of other characters that have done the same, it's not shade or anything it's just these divine characters get jobbed almost all the time.

[QUOTE=HandofPrometheus;5171785]Storm fans are dragging JDW on twitter because he's so clueless of her powers LMAO[/QUOTE]

though I didn't think the rude comments were appropriate im glad they schooled him on her abilities. what he said was just really unfortunate especially considering he is a senior editor.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5172108][COLOR="#000080"]They do seem genuinely happy to see her so that's a plus.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

yea. it is but I'm going to wait before I get too caught up in that moment. it is the xbools we're taking about.

[QUOTE=Cville;5172444]He defeated one this week. Also defeated the tiger god in the Ultimates, Mephisto in Priest run, and a version of the living tribunal.[/QUOTE]

he may have but does it make sense? him having better control of mjolnir than thor doesn't make sense. the tiger god wasn't shown how he was defeated and with mephisro it took not only him.but all his past ancestors to win. if we are looking at bp baseline abilities and his tools he doesn't have a way to beat a character like adversary.

[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5172333]That art is amazing!

And I don't know what is happening with BP right now but it seems like BP fans are angry with Storm for some reason? As far for the Adversary, I believe that T'Challa could have never done anything about him, since technology doesn't help against gods, only other godly beings do. I am sorry but Adversary is not something T'Challa can take on, except to slow him down.

I am not sure for what you are talking about guys, but the last time I remember, the Killmonger was possessed by a God, T'Challa cannot fight gods, Storm can with her godly powers that how things are. If Storm seals the god or takes it out, T'Challa can take it from there. I don't see how he is outshinned really...[/QUOTE]

agreed!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5172582]though I didn't think the rude comments were appropriate im glad they schooled him on her abilities. what he said was just really unfortunate especially considering he is a senior editor.

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what did he say?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5172582]though I didn't think the rude comments were appropriate im glad they schooled him on her abilities. what he said was just really unfortunate especially considering he is a senior editor.



yea. it is but I'm going to wait before I get too caught up in that moment. it is the xbools we're taking about.



he may have but does it make sense? him having better control of mjolnir than thor doesn't make sense. the tiger god wasn't shown how he was defeated and with mephisro it took not only him.but all his past ancestors to win. if we are looking at bp baseline abilities and his tools he doesn't have a way to beat a character like adversary.



agreed![/QUOTE]

And Storm needed a country to believe in her to defeat Adversary.

And Tchalla did not control it. The hammer chose not to hit him. Because the storm inside it recognized the bloodline. I've already said I expect Thor fans to picked ar this arc.

[QUOTE=Cville;5172660]And Storm needed a country to believe in her to defeat Adversary.

And Tchalla did not control it. The hammer chose not to hit him. Because the storm inside it recognized the bloodline. I've already said I expect Thor fans to picked ar this arc.[/QUOTE]

whats wrong with that though? thor needs prayer as well as all asgardians.

thats even worst. why would mjolnir attack thor, the person who has been associated with it for innumerable years, but not attack tchalla? thats even worse. I'm saw you did but I'm certain there are some fsns who thought it was cool while also not liking what coates did with storm.

[QUOTE=Havok83;5172596]what did he say?[/QUOTE]

blasphemy. he said it didn't make since that her powers worked in space. it was downhill from there.