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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4819023]Sue kind of said that. They said "Birthright" and Sue replied "Motherfuker, I gave birth to him."
I was like she speaking the truth.[/QUOTE]
You're right, she did say that. And I had no problem with her perspective. I have two children and I wouldn't allow people to come to my home and tell me they have more right to my children than my husband and I do. Did the X-Men even reach out to the Richards about their son before showing up on their doorstep?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819030]Your right. And the fact of the matter is...They are BOTH Wrong.
Both sides handled this situation completely WRONG. I'll admit it was a GREAT read, and the small fight scenes were funny. Sue Richards basically soloed most of the X-Men LOL. Just like she did to the Avengers.[/QUOTE]
Why is Sue wrong? I'm glad she didn't cow to the X-Men, especially Xavier and Magneto arrogant asses. They had such little, if any, respect for the Richards, especially as Franklin's parents. Sue was shook when Kate popped up in her forcefield. LOL. Yes, Sue did go all Mama Bear. :)
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4819060]Why is Sue wrong? I'm glad she didn't cow to the X-Men, especially Xavier and Magneto arrogant asses. They had such little, if any, respect for the Richards, especially as Franklin's parents.[/QUOTE]
Really? Sue attacked them she resulted to Violence instead of having a cool head and actually listening to them. Even Reed Richards was trying to calm her down. She acted in a way that was not really called for.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819068]Really? Sue attacked them she resulted to Violence instead of having a cool head and actually listening to them. Even Reed Richards was trying to calm her down. She acted in a way that was not really called for.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm actually cool with her action because, IMO, she saw the path that fake calm conversation was going. It would've escalated either way, IMO. She simply cut through the bullshit, when Magneto approached her son, as if he would take the boy regardless of what Sue and Reed thought. Come on, how many X-Men did Xavier bring with him? That was a blatant threat that they could take Franklin. And maybe they even would've. Hell, Kate should not have taken him from his house and to a Krakoa gate. None of the X-Men had any right.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4819092]Well, I'm actually cool with her action because, IMO, she saw the path that fake calm conversation was going. It would've escalated either way, IMO. She simply cut through the bullshit, when Magneto approached her son, as if he would take the boy regardless of what Sue and Reed thought. Come on, how many X-Men did Xavier bring with him? That was a blatant threat that they could take Franklin. And maybe they even would've. Hell, Kate should not have taken him from his house and to a Krakoa gate. None of the X-Men had any right.[/QUOTE]
I'm an X fan ONLY. I don't follow other franchises and don't follow the F4 but I agree Sue was right in acting like she did. X and Magneto were total arrogant dicks. Magneto for mouthing off and X for allowing to come knowing how he mouths off.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4819092]Well, I'm actually cool with her action because, IMO, she saw the path that fake calm conversation was going. It would've escalated either way, IMO. She simply cut through the bullshit, when Magneto approached her son, as if he would take the boy regardless of what Sue and Reed thought. Come on, how many X-Men did Xavier bring with him? That was a blatant threat that they could take Franklin. And maybe they even would've. Hell, Kate should not have taken him from his house and to a Krakoa gate. None of the X-Men had any right.[/QUOTE]
So, your saying it's ok to attack people when your having a calm conversation regardless if you feel they are being fake. Is that what your saying? If, so then I would ask you do you do that to people? Regardless, of how emotional you are or how you don't like the way the conversation is going. You don't attack people. Especially, if they haven't provoked a response for you to attack them in the first place.
I think that's an excuse. Because Franklin responded to what Magneto said by saying "I...maybe I could just..." and then Sue attacked him. Clearly, she jumped to conclusions in that instant. As I said before Even Richards was trying to calm her down. Nobody in that room resulted to Violence but Sue. I agree that the X-Men that went to confront the FF should not have been there. I've said that many times. But that doesn't give you the right to attack people with no provocation. Could it have lead to a fight? Sure, the way Magneto was talking yes. But it wouldn't have started THAT quick since Sue decided to attack.
Storm shouldn't have attacked the Human Torch, just like the Human Torch shouldn't have jumped to conclusions of Kitty kidnapping Franklin when Franklin decided to go. Both Sides are in the wrong Here no matter how you wanna bend and twist it.
why is it in these versus stories do the xmen always come across irrational. I just refuse to believe ororo would be I with the xmen taking Franklin without the blessings of his parents.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819114][B]So, your saying it's ok to attack people when your having a calm conversation regardless if you feel they are being fake. Is that what your saying? If, so then I would ask you do you do that to people?[/B] Regardless, of how emotional you are or how you don't like the way the conversation is going. You don't attack people. Especially, if they haven't provoked a response for you to attack them in the first place.
I think that's an excuse. Because Franklin responded to what Magneto said by saying "I...maybe I could just..." and then Sue attacked him. Clearly, she jumped to conclusions in that instant. As I said before Even Richards was trying to calm her down. Nobody in that room resulted to Violence but Sue. I agree that the X-Men that went to confront the FF should not have been there. I've said that many times. But that doesn't give you the right to attack people with no provocation. Could it have lead to a fight? Sure, the way Magneto was talking yes. But it wouldn't have started THAT quick since Sue decided to attack.
Storm shouldn't have attacked the Human Torch, just like the Human Torch shouldn't have jumped to conclusions of Kitty kidnapping Franklin when Franklin decided to go. Both Sides are in the wrong Here no matter how you wanna bend and twist it.[/QUOTE]
If they come talking about taking my child away and I had Sues' powers, that's exactly my response. Especially if one of them is Magneto who isn't exactly and upstanding citizen. They didn't even call and ahead came in force. That would be enough to get the door shut in your face. lol. If it had been just Xavier and they discussed it over tea, Sues' behavior would be an over reaction, but for this situation it was appropriate.
[QUOTE=Cville;4819151]If they come talking about taking my child away and I had Sues' powers, that's exactly my response. Especially if one of them is Magneto who isn't exactly and upstanding citizen. They didn't even call and ahead came in force. That would be enough to get the door shut in your face. lol. If it had been just Xavier and they discussed it over tea, Sues' behavior would be an over reaction, but for this situation it was appropriate.[/QUOTE]
yea I agree. the fault here doesnt lie with sue at all and her response was understandable considering the circumstances.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4819159]yea I agree. the fault here doesnt lie with sue at all and her response was understandable considering the circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Also Scott may be the reason Reed masked Franklins DNA. He was talking out of pocket after the Sabertooth incident.
If i look at it objectively and outside the story there is no way the FF are wrong in the overall picture. Franklin is there child and while he may have diplomatic immunity with the law because he is a mutant that doesn't mean that supersedes parental duty. If it was my mother or father there is no doubt in my mind the x-men would be dead right now. That said i'm loving the story and the x-men don't look like lunatics they do have sound reasoning and plaaaaans but shifted gear and are playing it right knowing they were in the wrong by leaning in on knowing reed would overstep (he really didn't) in the eyes of a teen and are hoping a teen acts like a teen. Once he steps foot on krakoa, it's basically game over for the FF unless Franklin wants to see them and they know it. I can't blame Reed.
[QUOTE=Cville;4819151]If they come talking about taking my child away and I had Sues' powers, that's exactly my response. Especially if one of them is Magneto who isn't exactly and upstanding citizen. They didn't even call and ahead came in force. That would be enough to get the door shut in your face. lol. If it had been just Xavier and they discussed it over tea, Sues' behavior would be an over reaction, but for this situation it was appropriate.[/QUOTE]
I don't deny that Charles and Magneto showing up to the FF house to try and convince Reed and Sue that Franklin is better off in Krakoa is a Bad thing. It is. I've said this many times in the other thread Charles and Erik should not have gone. Things would have been smoother. So yes they are to Blame. But so are Reed and Sue. What is also wrong is Sue Richards attacking Magneto when he didn't do anything, but talk to Franklin directly. Sue Richards jumped the gun here, Human Torch jumped the Gun accusing Kitty for Kidnapping. Reed Richards getting mad because Charles accused his wife for getting violent which she is. Both Sides are wrong.
So,Cville are you saying that you attack people for no reason when you have disagreements and heated arguments with people?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819114]So, your saying it's ok to attack people when your having a calm conversation regardless if you feel they are being fake. Is that what your saying? If, so then I would ask you do you do that to people? Regardless, of how emotional you are or how you don't like the way the conversation is going. You don't attack people. Especially, if they haven't provoked a response for you to attack them in the first place.
I think that's an excuse. Because Franklin responded to what Magneto said by saying "I...maybe I could just..." and then Sue attacked him. Clearly, she jumped to conclusions in that instant. As I said before Even Richards was trying to calm her down. Nobody in that room resulted to Violence but Sue. I agree that the X-Men that went to confront the FF should not have been there. I've said that many times. But that doesn't give you the right to attack people with no provocation. Could it have lead to a fight? Sure, the way Magneto was talking yes. But it wouldn't have started THAT quick since Sue decided to attack.
Storm shouldn't have attacked the Human Torch, just like the Human Torch shouldn't have jumped to conclusions of Kitty kidnapping Franklin when Franklin decided to go. Both Sides are in the wrong Here no matter how you wanna bend and twist it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I go around smacking people who are pretending to be calm but are actually threatening me and my children. Yeah, that's how I roll. Smh.
This is what I know, if you want to talk real life. People hide a lot behind the veneer of calmness. They use their fake calm demeanor as a weapon, even a bludgeon to excuse their bias, bad behavior, ill intent, etc. As soon as the other person reacts, even violently, to the supposedly calm person's real motive, it is the emotional person who is castigated and maligned. Trust me, I am that calm person who can cut a person with my words without raising my voice or using vulgar language.
As a woman, I've seen "calm" men push a woman's button until she goes off on him. He smiles, then points at her and says, "See, the over emotional woman." As an African American, I've seen the same happen with "calm" whites who push a person of color's buttons until they go off. The white person smiles and says, "See, over emotional, violent, etc. black person..."
No, I'm not condoning violence. What I am saying is that a calmness can mask a lot. Underneath Xavier's calm veneer was a filament of threat that Sue detected. So, no, I wouldn't have physically attacked Magneto, but I also wouldn't have invited the X-Men into my home either, the way Sue did. Then what? Do you think the X-Men would've gone away, tails between their legs?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819179]I don't deny that Charles and Magneto showing up to the FF house to try and convince Reed and Sue that Franklin is better off in Krakoa is a Bad thing. It is. I've said this many times in the other thread Charles and Erik should not have gone. Things would have been smoother. So yes they are to Blame. But so are Reed and Sue. What is also wrong is Sue Richards attacking Magneto when he didn't do anything, but talk to Franklin directly. Sue Richards jumped the gun here, Human Torch jumped the Gun accusing Kitty for Kidnapping. Reed Richards getting mad because Charles accused his wife for getting violent which she is. Both Sides are wrong.
So,Cville are you saying that you attack people for no reason when you have disagreements and heated arguments with people?[/QUOTE]
So now we should just let our kids talk to strangers? That doesn't even make sense to me. If i saw an actor on tv that was very popular and i saw that same actor talking to my child when i don't want him to and or know him like that (ps. i don't have kids so maybe i'm wrong.) I'm going Incredible hulk on someone. Naw homie don't play that.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819179]I don't deny that Charles and Magneto showing up to the FF house to try and convince Reed and Sue that Franklin is better off in Krakoa is a Bad thing. It is. I've said this many times in the other thread Charles and Erik should not have gone. Things would have been smoother. So yes they are to Blame. But so are Reed and Sue. What is also wrong is Sue Richards attacking Magneto when he didn't do anything, but talk to Franklin directly. Sue Richards jumped the gun here, Human Torch jumped the Gun accusing Kitty for Kidnapping. Reed Richards getting mad because Charles accused his wife for getting violent which she is. Both Sides are wrong.
So,Cville are you saying that you attack people for no reason when you have disagreements and heated arguments with people?[/QUOTE]
Like Uncle Phil when the other parent insulted Ashley and his mother. When children are on the line, everything goes. lol.
[QUOTE=Cville;4819151]If they come talking about taking my child away and I had Sues' powers, that's exactly my response. Especially if one of them is Magneto who isn't exactly and upstanding citizen. They didn't even call and ahead came in force. That would be enough to get the door shut in your face. lol. If it had been just Xavier and they discussed it over tea, Sues' behavior would be an over reaction, but for this situation it was appropriate.[/QUOTE]
Especially, with Magneto talking about how mutants are better than everybody else.
Xavier should have brought Kitty and Storm to talk to them about Franklin.
Though, they got me wondering if Val is a mutant too.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4819196]Especially, with Magneto talking about how mutants are better than everybody else.
Xavier should have brought Kitty and Storm to talk to them about Franklin.
Though, they got me wondering if Val is a mutant too.[/QUOTE]
They've checked before, she doesn't have the x-gene.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4819180]Yes, I go around smacking people who are pretending to be calm but are actually threatening me and my children. Yeah, that's how I roll. Smh.
[/QUOTE]
Your joking. Seriously? You attack people for no reason when you have heated disagreements and arguments? lol ok then..that's interesting. I'll stay away from you.
[QUOTE]This is what I know, if you want to talk real life. People hide a lot behind the veneer of calmness. They use their fake calm demeanor as a weapon, even a bludgeon to excuse their bias, bad behavior, ill intent, etc. As soon as the other person reacts, even violently, to the supposedly calm person's real motive, it is the emotional person who is castigated and maligned. Trust me, I am that calm person who can cut a person with my words without raising my voice or using vulgar language. [/QUOTE]
All the more reason why Sue Richards is wrong for attacking Magneto for no reason because she disagrees with him and Charles.
[QUOTE]As a woman, I've seen "calm" men push a woman's button until she goes off on him. He smiles, then points at her and says, "See, the over emotional woman." As an African American, I've seen the same happen with "calm" whites who push a person of color's buttons until they go off. The white person smiles and says, "See, over emotional, violent, etc. black person..." [/QUOTE]
Sure, you can go off. But you don't need to physically attack them is the point. Calm or not don't put your hands on them.
[QUOTE]No, I'm not condoning violence. What I am saying is that a calmness can mask a lot. Underneath Xavier's calm veneer was a filament of threat that Sue detected. So, no, I wouldn't have physically attacked Magneto, but I also wouldn't have invited the X-Men into my home either, the way Sue did. Then what? Do you think the X-Men would've gone away, tails between their legs?[/QUOTE]
But you at least recognize that attacking Magneto in the first place was wrong. Especially, since he didn't really do anything but make a statement to which Franklin replied to him. Sue Richards jumped the gun in thinking that Magneto was about to physically harm her son when he wasn't.
Interesting conversations here.
Choosing the two behind Onslaught to ask for their son was always going to be a mistake. I don't blame them for being on edge considering last time....
I'm disappointed that Storm wasn't as empathetic towards the FF's feelings. Especially when she blew Johnny away and declared Franklin had diplomatic immunity. That was really off, did she think he was gonna hurt him or something?
[QUOTE=Cville;4819166]Also Scott may be the reason Reed masked Franklins DNA. He was talking out of pocket after the Sabertooth incident.[/QUOTE]
excellent point!!!
[QUOTE=jwatson;4819175][b]If i look at it objectively and outside the story there is no way the FF are wrong in the overall picture.[/b] Franklin is there child and while he may have diplomatic immunity with the law because he is a mutant that doesn't mean that supersedes parental duty. If it was my mother or father there is no doubt in my mind the x-men would be dead right now. That said i'm loving the story and the x-men don't look like lunatics they do have sound reasoning and plaaaaans but shifted gear and are playing it right knowing they were in the wrong by leaning in on knowing reed would overstep (he really didn't) in the eyes of a teen and are hoping a teen acts like a teen. Once he steps foot on krakoa, it's basically game over for the FF unless Franklin wants to see them and they know it. I can't blame Reed.[/QUOTE]
yup for the bold. the xmen were simply in the wrong.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4819234]Choosing the two behind Onslaught to ask for their son was always going to be a mistake. I don't blame them for being on edge considering last time....
I'm disappointed that Storm wasn't as empathetic towards the FF's feelings. Especially when she blew Johnny away and declared Franklin had diplomatic immunity. That was really off, did she think he was gonna hurt him or something?[/QUOTE]
I thought ororo was wrong too and while agree with your points I dont think she blee him away because of Franklin but I thought she did do to protect kitty.
[QUOTE=Cville;4819195]Like Uncle Phil when the other parent insulted Ashley and his mother. When children are on the line, everything goes. lol.[/QUOTE]
LOL that's very unnerving.
That's funny though I remember that episode.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4819181]So now we should just let our kids talk to strangers? That doesn't even make sense to me. If i saw an actor on tv that was very popular and i saw that same actor talking to my child when i don't want him to and or know him like that (ps. i don't have kids so maybe i'm wrong.) I'm going Incredible hulk on someone. Naw homie don't play that.[/QUOTE]
What?? The X-Men are not strangers. But Friends with each other.
If your holding your child's hand and your friend walks up to you and says "Hello" to your child. Your telling me you would out right physically attack them??? They didn't touch your kid, sexually assault your kid, didn't try to grab your kid. But merely said "Hello" in front of you. You don't think you were wrong to punch your friend in the face for no reason when all they did was address your child by saying hi?
If that is offensive to a parent, surely that parent would tell you "Don't talk to my kid" or they will just walk away.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4819245]
I thought ororo was wrong too and while agree with your points I dont think she blee him away because of Franklin but I thought she did do to protect kitty.[/QUOTE]
I would have thought that too if it wasn't for her specifically telling him to stay away from Franklin. It felt wrong.
[QUOTE=Crimz;4819277]I would have thought that too if it wasn't for her specifically telling him to stay away from Franklin. It felt wrong.[/QUOTE]
this issue honestly started off wrong with Franklin face being controlled by no vidible hydrokinetic and it was downhill from there. I would like to think if this were written with everyone in character the xmen and f4 would have never come to blows. but I understand your thoughts there. it didnt read right.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819253]LOL that's very unnerving.
That's funny though I remember that episode.
What?? The X-Men are not strangers. But Friends with each other.
If your holding your child's hand and your friend walks up to you and says "Hello" to your child. Your telling me you would out right physically attack them??? They didn't touch your kid, sexually assault your kid, didn't try to grab your kid. But merely said "Hello" in front of you. You don't think you were wrong to punch your friend in the face for no reason when all they did was address your child by saying hi?
If that is offensive to a parent, surely that parent would tell you "Don't talk to my kid" or they will just walk away.[/QUOTE]
What if they said they wanted to take them on a plane to the other side of the planet? And when you said no, they kept insisting?
First comes no, then comes curse words, and if they're still talking about it, they're gonna get some hands put on them.
[QUOTE=Cville;4819293]What if they said they wanted to take them on a plane to the other side of the planet? And when you said no, they kept insisting?
First comes no, then comes curse words, and if they're still talking about it, they're gonna get some hands put on them.[/QUOTE]
there is no scenario the xmen wiykd be right here. I dont think its justifiable even if they felt Franklin would be better off with them.
[QUOTE=Cville;4819293]What if they said they wanted to take them on a plane to the other side of the planet? And when you said no, they kept insisting?
First comes no, then comes curse words, and if they're still talking about it, they're gonna get some hands put on them.[/QUOTE]
Lol what??? Cville explain your example please. Who is “they” and who is taking “them” around the world???
I don’t know, I personally don’t think that gives you the right to put your hands on them.
I still haven't warmed up to Hickman's take on the X-verse so this whole pro-Krakoa push from Storm and the other X-characters just doesn't do it for me. Storm blowing Johnny away without even trying to talk to him was not her best moment. She is a former member of the Fantastic Four and one would not even know it from reading this issue. While her tenure on the FF was brief I think it could have acted as a means to elevate Storm. I hope she plays a greater role later in the story and doesn't job to Doom or anyone else. I also hope she is portrayed well.
I picked up both Marauders #7 and X-Men/FF #1. I enjoyed both issues.
Marauders - Despite being (again 3 months later...) too light on Storm her moment of reconnection with Callisto was handled perfectly. It was nice to see their history respected. Callisto's characterization was great. And she looked beautiful and I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of Cal. I am hoping she gets some shine in her role as the HFC White Knight. I would love to see her tentacles resurface (Octo-Cal was life in Excalibur) or recall her mutant power of tactical brilliance. Like a CQC showdown between her and Shinobi Shaw. The ending exchange between Emma and Shaw had me like.... I can see where this will create a heated/bloody confrontation between Storm and Emma. Losing Kitty would make Storm go postal and lethal whoever she thinks is at fault. I can see her blaming Emma and coming for her. I'd love for Ororo to make Shaw a drooling mess like Sinister once she learn the truth. This got a 8.5/10.
X-Men/FF was good but that conflict felt very forced. I think Ororo would not approve of Xavier's approach to the FF, and that she would recognize that Franklin is/would be safe with his parents. I would see Ororo taking an approach that would appeal too Franklin''s compassion for justice his fellow mutants. I can see that being something both he and his family could get behind but also their hesitancy to move forward with the idea due to the volatility of Krakoa. Storm being in approval doesn't feel in character to me at all. The FF felt OOC as well. And with Doom coming on the scene - I am curious if this writer will have Ororo throw down with him (and in a credible way). This gets a 7/10 from me. Good art ,interesting story premise but the characterization was off for the sake of thee story plot.
[QUOTE=nj06;4819372]I still haven't warmed up to Hickman's take on the X-verse so this whole pro-Krakoa push from Storm and the other X-characters just doesn't do it for me. Storm blowing Johnny away without even trying to talk to him was not her best moment. She is a former member of the Fantastic Four and one would not even know it from reading this issue. While her tenure on the FF was brief I think it could have acted as a means to elevate Storm. I hope she plays a greater role later in the story and doesn't job to Doom or anyone else. I also hope she is portrayed well.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
10char
[QUOTE=nj06;4819372]I still haven't warmed up to Hickman's take on the X-verse so this whole pro-Krakoa push from Storm and the other X-characters just doesn't do it for me. Storm blowing Johnny away without even trying to talk to him was not her best moment. She is a former member of the Fantastic Four and one would not even know it from reading this issue. While her tenure on the FF was brief I think it could have acted as a means to elevate Storm. I hope she plays a greater role later in the story and doesn't job to Doom or anyone else. I also hope she is portrayed well.[/QUOTE]
I really dont see any lies in this post. your points are just further proof that this issue and conflict is really forced. could we have got a crossover where instead of fighting each other the xmen f4 worked together against a.common enemy?? I'm sure they will pull together eventually but man this is just too forced for my liking.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4819377]I picked up both Marauders #7 and X-Men/FF #1. I enjoyed both issues.
Marauders - Despite being (again 3 months later...) too light on Storm her moment of reconnection with Callisto was handled perfectly. It was nice to see their history respected. Callisto's characterization was great. And she looked beautiful and I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of Cal. I am hoping she gets some shine in her role as the HFC White Knight. I would love to see her tentacles resurface (Octo-Cal was life in Excalibur) or recall her mutant power of tactical brilliance. Like a CQC showdown between her and Shinobi Shaw. The ending exchange between Emma and Shaw had me like.... I can see where this will create a heated/bloody confrontation between Storm and Emma. Losing Kitty would make Storm go postal and lethal whoever she thinks is at fault. I can see her blaming Emma and coming for her. I'd love for Ororo to make Shaw a drooling mess like Sinister once she learn the truth. This got a 8.5/10.
X-Men/FF was good but that conflict felt very forced. I think Ororo would not approve of Xavier's approach to the FF, and that she would recognize that Franklin is/would be safe with his parents. I would see Ororo taking an approach that would appeal too Franklin''s compassion for justice his fellow mutants. I can see that being something both he and his family could get behind but also their hesitancy to move forward with the idea due to the volatility of Krakoa. Storm being in approval doesn't feel in character to me at all. The FF felt OOC as well. And with Doom coming on the scene - I am curious if this writer will have Ororo throw down with him (and in a credible way). This gets a 7/10 from me. Good art ,interesting story premise but the characterization was off for the sake of thee story plot.[/QUOTE]
What Emma said to Shaw makes me feel like Emma knows.
I agree I’m more interested in how Storm finds out that Kitty is dead or missing? I can’t wait for Storm to get pissed.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4819377]I picked up both Marauders #7 and X-Men/FF #1. I enjoyed both issues.
Marauders - Despite being (again 3 months later...) too light on Storm her moment of reconnection with Callisto was handled perfectly. It was nice to see their history respected. Callisto's characterization was great. And she looked beautiful and I thoroughly enjoyed every moment of Cal. I am hoping she gets some shine in her role as the HFC White Knight. I would love to see her tentacles resurface (Octo-Cal was life in Excalibur) or recall her mutant power of tactical brilliance. Like a CQC showdown between her and Shinobi Shaw. The ending exchange between Emma and Shaw had me like.... I can see where this will create a heated/bloody confrontation between Storm and Emma. Losing Kitty would make Storm go postal and lethal whoever she thinks is at fault. I can see her blaming Emma and coming for her. I'd love for Ororo to make Shaw a drooling mess like Sinister once she learn the truth. This got a 8.5/10.
X-Men/FF was good but that conflict felt very forced. I think Ororo would not approve of Xavier's approach to the FF, and that she would recognize that Franklin is/would be safe with his parents. I would see Ororo taking an approach that would appeal too Franklin''s compassion for justice his fellow mutants. I can see that being something both he and his family could get behind but also their hesitancy to move forward with the idea due to the volatility of Krakoa. Storm being in approval doesn't feel in character to me at all. The FF felt OOC as well. And with Doom coming on the scene - I am curious if this writer will have Ororo throw down with him (and in a credible way). This gets a 7/10 from me. Good art ,interesting story premise but the characterization was off for the sake of thee story plot.[/QUOTE]
bish I've been waiting for your thoughts all day lol.. now let me read through it lol.
as much as I hate emma for ororo, i have enjoyed how kitty and emma relate. I'm pretty sure as well that the conflict that will arise from these two are due to kittys disappearance and/or confirmed death. however, whenever the truth surfaces and it will, who will be the one to give shaw his well deserved thrashing: emma, ororo, kitty? I would wager kitty would lead in this race but I would so love to see ororo drop him again but this time not by way of emma.
yea ororo seemed so OOC to me. I could not imagine any scenario where she would be ok with separating her dear friend from her son. it was just a mess of a mess to read. now what would be a credible way for doom to fight storm in your opinion?
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819356]Lol what??? Cville explain your example please. Who is “they” and who is taking “them” around the world???
I don’t know, I personally don’t think that gives you the right to put your hands on them.[/QUOTE]
They is your friend and them are your children.
so what has been everyone's favorite storm moment since Hickman has started the new run?
if I had to choose.. my answer would be her sensing and controlling the twins energy before handing them over to cecelia.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819392]What Emma said to Shaw makes me feel like Emma knows.
I agree I’m more interested in how Storm finds out that Kitty is dead or missing? I can’t wait for Storm to get pissed.[/QUOTE]
Me too. And I hope she is SAVAGE! Like no holds bard, no mercy and no f%^&s given.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4819398]bish I've been waiting for your thoughts all day lol.. now let me read through it lol.
as much as I hate emma for ororo, i have enjoyed how kitty and emma relate. I'm pretty sure as well that the conflict that will arise from these two are due to kittys disappearance and/or confirmed death. however, whenever the truth surfaces and it will, who will be the one to give shaw his well deserved thrashing: emma, ororo, kitty? I would wager kitty would lead in this race but I would so love to see ororo drop him again but this time not by way of emma.
yea ororo seemed so OOC to me. I could not imagine any scenario where she would be ok with separating her dear friend from her son. it was just a mess of a mess to read. now what would be a credible way for doom to fight storm in your opinion?[/QUOTE]
Lol sorry. I ended up working quite late. But your spoils helped tied me over :). Under the circumstances Kitty [I]should[/I] be the once to murder Shaw. He not only killed her but he also killed Lockheed. What I would LOVE TO SEE...is Storm go ape-s%#$ on Shaw. Like freezing his heart to the point of near death or scrambling his brain and leaving him as a vegetable next to Sabretooh. I think losing Kitty would still be like losing a daughter (or little sister) for Ororo. That should be a catastrophic f$%^ up for anyone who crossed that line with Storm.
On FF I hate when writers ignore history and characterization for the sake of their plots. Even when the story is good I can't get passed it. A credible fight between Storm and Doom for me would be for her to be fight him more tactically and intelligently. Most writers just have her hurl lightning at him, even though we have seen that in their last 2 encounters it doesn't effect him. It would make Storm seem idiotic to not factor in what she should've learned from previous encounters. I'd like to see Storm attack him in ways he would not expect. Even if she were to lose I think it would make for a credible fight as long as she was able to get some good licks in, and it was done in a way that makes sense for one of the X-Men's greatest tactical field leaders who is a master weather elemental. She has a lot to choose form in her arsenal and should recognize Doom as one of the most powerful (magically and technologically) beings on earth. Use her control over pressure, point blank super thunderclap, ultimately belly flop with a waterspout grabbing and slamming him, mega hailstones hurled at 350 mph, etc. Something that won't make the fight boring, predictable and full of CIS.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4819424]so what has been everyone's favorite storm moment since Hickman has started the new run?
if I had to choose.. my answer would be her sensing and controlling the twins energy before handing them over to cecelia.[/QUOTE]
So far I would say her water manipulation tied with her introduction of the resurrected mutants.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4819433]Me too. And I hope she is SAVAGE! Like no holds bard, no mercy and no f%^&s given.
Lol sorry. I ended up working quite late. But your spoils helped tied me over :). Under the circumstances Kitty [I]should[/I] be the once to murder Shaw. He not only killed her but he also killed Lockheed. What I would LOVE TO SEE...is Storm go ape-s%#$ on Shaw. Like freezing his heart to the point of near death or scrambling his brain and leaving him as a vegetable next to Sabretooh. I think losing Kitty would still be like losing a daughter (or little sister) for Ororo. That should be a catastrophic f$%^ up for anyone who crossed that line with Storm.
On FF I hate when writers ignore history and characterization for the sake of their plots. Even when the story is good I can't get passed it. A credible fight between Storm and Doom for me would be for her to be fight him more tactically and intelligently. Most writers just have her hurl lightning at him, even though we have seen that in their last 2 encounters it doesn't effect him. It would make Storm seem idiotic to not factor in what she should've learned from previous encounters. I'd like to see Storm attack him in ways he would not expect. Even if she were to lose I think it would make for a credible fight as long as she was able to get some good licks in, and it was done in a way that makes sense for one of the X-Men's greatest tactical field leaders who is a master weather elemental. She has a lot to choose form in her arsenal and should recognize Doom as one of the most powerful (magically and technologically) beings on earth. Use her control over pressure, point blank super thunderclap, ultimately belly flop with a waterspout grabbing and slamming him, mega hailstones hurled at 350 mph, etc. Something that won't make the fight boring, predictable and full of CIS.[/QUOTE]
omg omg I hope Lockheed is not dead. I know those fishermen will find a way to bring him back somehow. like maybe since it's a magical creature he somehow stopped his bodily functions somehow not requiring air, like a stasis mode or something lol. I'm reaching but I refuse to believe the baby is gone. and agreed about ororo going ape ish on shaw. I love all of what you said. I want her to control the synapses in his heart and immediately stop it from beating.
I'm not sure where doom is now powerwise but her lightning in one title was able to completely short his suit. I would imagine he has magic buffs now since then and so internal attacks in parallel to all the things you mentioned would do the trick.
Lockheed is an Alien, not a Magical Creature.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819466]Lockheed is an Alien, not a Magical Creature.[/QUOTE]
that works too.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4819439]So far I would say her water manipulation tied with her introduction of the resurrected mutants.[/QUOTE]
I liked the water manipulation showing too. that's probably my second fav feat this far alongside her manipulating the massive way. we seldom get water manipulation feats from her.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4819474]that works too.
I liked the water manipulation showing too. that's probably my second fav feat this far alongside her manipulating the massive way. we seldom get water manipulation feats from her.[/QUOTE]
I also liked the time she took out the Verendi henchmen’s eye and wanted her vibranium blade back. I would love to get a more expanded combat sequence for her.
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4820089]I also liked the time she took out the Verendi henchmen’s eye and wanted her vibranium blade back. I would love to get a more expanded combat sequence for her.[/QUOTE]
agreed duggan has given storm cute moments but I'm still waiting for an impressive showing of her power . at this point, for me at least, we havent got that.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819030]Your right. And the fact of the matter is...They are BOTH Wrong.
Both sides handled this situation completely WRONG. I'll admit it was a GREAT read, and the small fight scenes were funny. Sue Richards basically soloed most of the X-Men LOL. Just like she did to the Avengers.[/QUOTE]
I've never been a real fan of FF but I wanna understand what exactly are Sue's powers and how powerful is she if she soloed most of the x-Men. So far all I know about her is she can turn invisible and create a force field