Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=jwatson;5241649]From marvel 2019 enyclopedia.

This actually made me think because i see comments about how when Storm needs story they pull in wakanda and i really wonder where people are getting that. It seems everytime BP needs a reboot or wakanda to be saved Storm is the one who is pulled in. On every occassion Storm was with Tchalla it was his franchise trying to claim her no vice versa. The x-franchise has loosely respected it but i can't think of one story where they were trying to pull for Storm they thought Wakanda, not even her solo. This sword thing was pulled to end them not start something.[/QUOTE]

Storm has just as much of a rich Mythos as Wakanda does. If not more or better. And If we EVER hope Storm to go out and branch out on her own in the greater Marvel Universe. And get from under T’Challa’s Hip and Wakanda’s beckoning call. She is going to lose her identity. And she needs to take a break from the X-Men.

New readers are coming and people think Storm is Wakandan. People think she can’t fight. People don’t know about her Marksman skills and expert thief. People don’t know much about her. Also, Storm needs a NEW love interest. Someone in the Marvel Universe that would make people go “Oh Shit for real? Ok I can get with it” someone we would NEVER expect. Get her AWAY from T’Challa, Logan and Forge.

True love! Thank you Mr Coates for showing us that Storm could be more than just the xmen token black character:

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[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5241750]Storm has just as much of a rich Mythos as Wakanda does. If not more or better. And If we EVER hope Storm to go out and branch out on her own in the greater Marvel Universe. And get from under T’Challa’s Hip and Wakanda’s beckoning call. She is going to lose her identity. And she needs to take a break from the X-Men.

New readers are coming and people think Storm is Wakandan. People think she can’t fight. People don’t know about her Marksman skills and expert thief. People don’t know much about her. Also, Storm needs a NEW love interest. Someone in the Marvel Universe that would make people go “Oh Shit for real? Ok I can get with it” someone we would NEVER expect. Get her AWAY from T’Challa, Logan and Forge.[/QUOTE]

Sorry bud but you can't blame Ro's lack of proper character development on the BP team, they use Storm if they get approval. I've said this several times on this community page, Ororo's character use comes down to whether Marvel thinks she's worth the hassle or the X team actually bothers to flesh out her lore and no storm does not need a new love interest she needs to be USEFUL and become more established in this continuity vacuum people call "616". No more using BP as a scapegoat and blame for how storm is now, The BP side of marvel did whatever they could to make Storm more rounded and ranged in the MU anything beyond that is out of they're control because she's an Xmen character. It's easy to say "Uh durr Ro don't need no Xmen" and all that nonsense but what some of y'all arent asking or thinking about is..... Who exactly would take a gamble on a character like Storm? So far you don't have anyone as of yet and until that happens well everything in this thread is just fan speculation.

[QUOTE=Mekk80s;5241779]Sorry bud but you can't blame Ro's lack of proper character development on the BP team, they use Storm if they get approval. I've said this several times on this community page, Ororo's character use comes down to whether Marvel thinks she's worth the hassle or the X team actually bothers to flesh out her lore and no storm does not need a new love interest she needs to be USEFUL and become more established in this continuity vacuum people call "616". No more using BP as a scapegoat and blame for how storm is now, The BP side of marvel did whatever they could to make Storm more rounded and ranged in the MU anything beyond that is out of they're control because she's an Xmen character. It's easy to say "Uh durr Ro don't need no Xmen" and all that nonsense but what some of y'all arent asking or thinking about is..... Who exactly would take a gamble on a character like Storm? So far you don't have anyone as of yet and until that happens well everything in this thread is just fan speculation.[/QUOTE]

exactly! people have apparently forgotten that before storm was picked up in BP this latest time, she was moping around crying about wolverine dying, being an ineffective leader, and doubting herself about everything. storm wasnt beung used effectively because the xwriters didn't want to use her, PERIOD. they only see interest in her when other writers excel at taking her beyond the status quo, which is taking orders from kitty in Marauders currently.

[COLOR="#000080"]I'm still not understanding why they won't let Storm lead a team of her own. She's a proven leader and strategist.

Like I said, give her X-Nation and let it be about Krakoan society and it's influence on the rest of the world.[/COLOR]

I don't see why it has to be an either or situation lol. Storm can be a prominent X-Men and still have her own life. The question is does she have enough fans to support that direction? Previous solo sales indicate she doesn't as it requires more than just hardcore Storm fans to sustain a solo selling above the cancellation line of roughly 20k. If the majority of X-fans have no interest in seeing Storm (or any X-Men outside Logan) outside the X-Men ecosystem then what needs to be done is a gradual transition, which takes time. The first step is carving a mythos and making it well known.

Meaning Storm needs villains that she especially relates to, concepts like her godhead that only she has access to, and supporting characters. Some of that stuff needs to introduced in the main X-Men books so potential buyers are familiar with them, similar to how stuff like Weapon X got introduced for Logan or how much of Cable's lore was established. Then instead of giving her a full solo and exiting her from the X-Office entirely, be consistent with minis and graphic novels to reach the direct/indirect market. Then pull the trigger on a full solo after Storm seems to have enough lore and buildup. Even then they shouldn't completely remove the X-Men aspect, as clearly that's something the current market values.

[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5241750]Storm has just as much of a rich Mythos as Wakanda does. If not more or better. And If we EVER hope Storm to go out and branch out on her own in the greater Marvel Universe. And get from under T’Challa’s Hip and Wakanda’s beckoning call. She is going to lose her identity. And she needs to take a break from the X-Men.

New readers are coming and people think Storm is Wakandan. [B]People think she can’t fight. People don’t know about her Marksman skills and expert thief. People don’t know much about her. [/B]Also, Storm needs a NEW love interest. Someone in the Marvel Universe that would make people go “Oh Shit for real? Ok I can get with it” someone we would NEVER expect. Get her AWAY from T’Challa, Logan and Forge.[/QUOTE]

There are all the easily available UXM back issues and trades and omnibi for those "new readers" if they're that interested in the character. I started reading X-Men in 1983...and with already 6-8 years of stories/history already written, it wasn't that difficult to go back and read what came before. And that was without computers. With the internet now it's the easiest thing to do for new readers to familiarise themselves with a book or franchise...if they feel so inclined.

Storm does not NEED a love interest...new or otherwise.

[QUOTE=Mekk80s;5241779]Sorry bud but you can't blame Ro's lack of proper character development on the BP team, they use Storm if they get approval. I've said this several times on this community page, Ororo's character use comes down to whether Marvel thinks she's worth the hassle or the X team actually bothers to flesh out her lore and no storm does not need a new love interest she needs to be USEFUL and become more established in this continuity vacuum people call "616". No more using BP as a scapegoat and blame for how storm is now, The BP side of marvel did whatever they could to make Storm more rounded and ranged in the MU anything beyond that is out of they're control because she's an Xmen character. It's easy to say "Uh durr Ro don't need no Xmen" and all that nonsense but what some of y'all arent asking or thinking about is..... Who exactly would take a gamble on a character like Storm? So far you don't have anyone as of yet and until that happens well everything in this thread is just fan speculation.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I can. The Black Panther Office is part of the problem.

The X-Office and the BP editorial both share blame in the treatment of Storm. The way I see it. One side uses Storm as a Side Piece and a calling card and a Prop for the Main Character. The other side uses her for fillers on a Team. With no direction and doing nothing but being in the background and fan service. IMO yes Storm needs a NEW Love interest she’s been with the same dude for years and it’s going nowhere. They don’t have children they barely act like couples much. The marriage was used to boost sales and had a shameful ending. She needs a new guy or be Single.

I don’t know who is using BP as a scapegoat. But I do believe he is most definitely part of the Problem. Just as the X-Office is.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5241800]There are all the easily available UXM back issues and trades and omnibi for those "new readers" if they're that interested in the character. I started reading X-Men in 1983...and with already 6-8 years of stories/history already written, it wasn't that difficult to go back and read what came before. And that was without computers. With the internet now it's the easiest thing to do for new readers to familiarise themselves with a book or franchise...if they feel so inclined.

Storm does not NEED a love interest...new or otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Yes that’s true.

I Disagree with you. I think she does need a New Love interest it’s either that or let her be single.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241797][COLOR="#000080"]I'm still not understanding why they won't let Storm lead a team of her own. She's a proven leader and strategist.

Like I said, give her X-Nation and let it be about Krakoan society and it's influence on the rest of the world.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I think in children of the atom of it ever drops she will be leading a group of reject xmen lol.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5241799]I don't see why it has to be an either or situation lol. Storm can be a prominent X-Men and still have her own life. The question is does she have enough fans to support that direction? Previous solo sales indicate she doesn't as it requires more than just hardcore Storm fans to sustain a solo selling above the cancellation line of roughly 20k. If the majority of X-fans have no interest in seeing Storm (or any X-Men outside Logan) outside the X-Men ecosystem then what needs to be done is a gradual transition, which takes time. The first step is carving a mythos and making it well known.

Meaning Storm needs villains that she especially relates to, concepts like her godhead that only she has access to, and supporting characters. Some of that stuff needs to introduced in the main X-Men books so potential buyers are familiar with them, similar to how stuff like Weapon X got introduced for Logan or how much of Cable's lore was established. Then instead of giving her a full solo and exiting her from the X-Office entirely, be consistent with minis and graphic novels to reach the direct/indirect market. Then pull the trigger on a full solo after Storm seems to have enough lore and buildup. Even then they shouldn't completely remove the X-Men aspect, as clearly that's something the current market values.[/QUOTE]

storm solos have been uninspired honestly. we saw from Hickman storm giant size that a title with her name and focus on her can do well. it simply has to have the right creative team and storyline. she's popular but readers don't want the status quo of her being the token xmen, or at least I dont think they do. no telling these days.

[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5241802]Actually, I can. The Black Panther Office is part of the problem.

The X-Office and the BP editorial both share blame in the treatment of Storm. The sooner we all can accept that that the better. One side uses Storm as a Side Piece and a calling card and a Prop for the Main Character. The other side uses her for fillers on a Team. With direction and doing nothing but being in the background. IMO yes Storm needs a NEW Love interest she’s been with the same dude for years and it’s going nowhere. They don’t have children they don’t act like a couple much. The marriage was a shame. She needs a new guy or be Single.

Nobody is using BP as a scapegoat at least I’m not. But he is most definitely part of the Problem.[/QUOTE]

No, actually you can't but I'm not gonna start this unnecessary game of blame and no she doesn't need "A new Love interest" that shouldn't even be a top 5 priority or a priority at all. That's the thing about opinions, they're just opinions so they hold no weight. Storm's use in the BP comic shouldn't even be a concern because she's only guest stars and appears in the book like any guest character would and like I said before, Storm. is. A. Xmen. Character. no offence brodie but like use your brain man at the end of the day the people responsible for anything regarding Storms Character are the same ones that write rehash the mutant narrative. We're not doing this, we're not gonna start randomly blaming and pointing fingers, if you think BP is to blame for Storms character status then whatever but you're diffidently not looking at the bigger picture not even slightly.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5241815]I think in children of the atom of it ever drops she will be leading a group of reject xmen lol.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Hey aren't the mutants from Arakko basically a bunch of X-Men rejects :cool:?

And I don't know, maybe Storm leading the Children of the Atom isn't a bad idea. She can teach them the right way.[/COLOR]

I wish Marvel would put Storm with a woman :(

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241797][COLOR="#000080"]I'm still not understanding why they won't let Storm lead a team of her own. She's a proven leader and strategist.

Like I said, give her X-Nation and let it be about Krakoan society and it's influence on the rest of the world.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Because the editors and writers don't think that it's necessary?
And in the grand story-telling scheme of things, it isn't.

Plus...I would say no current writer is interested in writing that type of story.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5241841]Because the editors and writers don't think that it's necessary?
And in the grand story-telling scheme of things, it isn't.

Plus...I would say no current writer is interested in writing that type of story.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Thank you for your opinion.

You have a real knack.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241823][COLOR="#000080"]Hey aren't the mutants from Arakko basically a bunch of X-Men rejects :cool:?

And I don't know, maybe Storm leading the Children of the Atom isn't a bad idea. She can teach them the right way.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

thats true lolol.

I wouldn't buy children of the atom if my life depending on it. ororo should have her own little corner in the MU akin to Diana and Themyscira where she has her own rogues and showcases that she is a black goddess, omega level mutant where we see her power. Ororo for too long has been tied to being a mutant or xmen and these stories inhibit her from truly branching out in a meaningful way in the MU. How many times do we need to see her powerless? We know she is powerful without her powers. do we see this with Carol Danvers? I want more than what the xoffices have given and cute little h2h moments dont really do much to change the direction for the character imho.

[QUOTE=Mekk80s;5241818]No, actually you can't but I'm not gonna start this unnecessary game of blame and no she doesn't need "A new Love interest" that shouldn't even be a top 5 priority or a priority at all. That's the thing about opinions, they're just opinions so they hold no weight. Storm's use in the BP comic shouldn't even be a concern because she's only guest stars and appears in the book like any guest character would and like I said before, Storm. is. A. Xmen. Character. no offence brodie but like use your brain man at the end of the day the people responsible for anything regarding Storms Character are the same ones that write rehash the mutant narrative. We're not doing this, we're not gonna start randomly blaming and pointing fingers, if you think BP is to blame for Storms character status then whatever but you're diffidently not looking at the bigger picture not even slightly.[/QUOTE]

You don’t want to play unnecessary Games? Then don’t. We’re all adults. In regards to who I blame based on what I’ve seen both sides? Yes I can blame who I want. And I Blame BOTH. Apologies if that doesn’t sit well with you. And I respectfully Disagree with you about this Love Interest because I do believe she needs a New Love interest. Now regarding that little Topic? I will not go back n forth with you because I know how furiously protective Storm/BP Stans are about that boring relationship. So it sounds like your saying everyone’s Opinion in the Storm thread hold no weight. If so I Agree. Storm is a guest star in BP? So what do you call Storms involvement in Coates Black Panther run? Because that’s not Guest starring that’s what you call a Supporting Character. LOL “Use your brain”? Seriously? Don’t insult me. Now you look like an A** hole for saying “no offense” after your insult.

You’ve just contradicted yourself you know that? “Oh let’s not play the blame game” but you turn around and do the same thing. I don’t know how many times I need to say this but based off what I’ve seen BOTH parties have mistreated. And you’ll say “I Disagree “. So this conversation ends with me saying I disagree with your view points and we can keep it pushing.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241851][COLOR="#000080"]Thank you for your opinion.

You have a real knack.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Thank you, I do try.

Fact of the matter is...she has been in that leadership role before, on a number of occasions, but...Claremont is no longer overseeing the X-Men franchise.
In this HiX-Man era...no one character has a clear and defined "leadership role". Sure there are moments when certain characters step forward as the narrative dictates but there really aren't any single "appointed" team leaders making big decisions and conducting strike-forces, planning strategies, etc.

And let's be honest here...when her fans say they want Storm doing "this and that or the other" they really mean they want Storm written as Claremont have written her in the past. And while that's not an impossible desire, for all intents and current purposes it's a highly improbable one, for obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5241863]thats true lolol.

I wouldn't buy children of the atom if my life depending on it. ororo should have her own little corner in the MU akin to Diana and Themyscira where she has her own rogues and showcases that she is a black goddess, omega level mutant where we see her power. Ororo for too long has been tied to being a mutant or xmen and these stories inhibit her from truly branching out in a meaningful way in the MU. How many times do we need to see her powerless? We know she is powerful without her powers. do we see this with Carol Danvers? I want more than what the xoffices have given and cute little h2h moments dont really do much to change the direction for the character imho.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Well, we can always go back to my other premise where Storm resurrects Genosha as a nation for mutants, humans, Inhumans etc to live.

That is, if it's okay for me to express an opinion or an idea.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5241882]Thank you, I do try.

Fact of the matter is...she has been in that leadership role before, on a number of occasions, but...Claremont is no longer overseeing the X-Men franchise.
In this HiX-Man era...no one character has a clear and defined "leadership role". Sure there are moments when certain characters step forward as the narrative dictates but there really aren't any single "appointed" team leaders making big decisions and conducting strike-forces, planning strategies, etc.

And let's be honest here...when her fans say they want Storm doing "this and that or the other" they really mean they want Storm written as Claremont have written her in the past. And while that's not an impossible desire, for all intents and current purposes it's a highly improbable one, for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Well keep trying.

Who's talking about Claremont? Claremont don't own characters and I sure as hell wouldn't read anything written by him now. Y'all can have that.

As far as appointed leaders, you have The Quiet Council, The Great Captains and whatever's going on with the HFC so you're wrong there. [/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241886][COLOR="#000080"]Well, we can always go back to my other premise where Storm resurrects Genosha as a nation for mutants, humans, Inhumans etc to live.

That is, if it's okay for me to express an opinion or an idea.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

of course you can express your opinion or ideas love. u know I would never suggest otherwise. I like that idea of her resurrecting Genosha for everyone to live. that would definitely be in character for her.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5241895]of course you can express your opinion or ideas love. u know I would never suggest otherwise. I like that idea of her resurrecting Genosha for everyone to live. that would definitely be in character for her.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Thanks, for whatever reasons not everyone agrees with your sentiment.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241893][COLOR="#000080"]Well keep trying.

Who's talking about Claremont? Claremont don't own characters and I sure as hell wouldn't read anything written by him now. Y'all can have that.

As far as appointed leaders, you have The Quiet Council, The Great Captains and whatever's going on with the HFC so you're wrong there. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

None of whom are "team leaders" in the strictest sense of the term...as Storm and Cyclops were, in the past, as written by Claremont...in the past.

[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5241866]LOL unnecessary Game? What? you can’t tell who I can blame. Ok well like I said before I respectfully Disagree with you because I do think she needs a New Love interest. Now regarding that I won’t go back n forth with you. Ok so everyone’s Opinion in the Storm thread hold no weight got it. Storm is a guest star in BP? So what do you call Storms involvement in Coates Black Panther ruin? Because that’s not Guest starring that’s what you call a supporting character. LOL Don’t say “no offense” and then try and call me stupid by saying “use your brain” seriously? Maybe try taking your own advice about using your brain.

You’ve just contradicted yourself you know that? Your really going to sit their and say “Oh let’s not play the blame game” but you but turn around and blame the X-Office? Huh? I can blame whoever I want it just sounds like you don’t like the fact the I am limping the BP office into it. Because Yes they are also to blame. I don’t know how many time I need to say this but BOTH parties have mistreated her wrong. So this conversation ends with me saying I disagree with your view points and we can keep it pushing.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, sure bud. I "contradicted" myself by pointing out that Strom is a XMEN CHARACTER and that her development comes down to them in bigger capacity and who said you were stupid, I didn't say that i just said "use your brain" aka your common sense and yes Storm was a guest star in the BP books under coates and as a guest star he made her vital to plot points while you say she "was a side piece" and like i said before and I'm not saying it again, Storm does not need a love interest new or otherwise. You can think whatever you want budro but don't start this, don't do it. I'm simply just countering your input and views on your "thoughts" of storms character use while also pointing your flawed logic that the BP books are most of the reason why "Storm isn't valued" which is false especially after you just said in quote "What do you call Storms involvement in Coates Black Panther run" and "That's not guest starring that's a supporting role" meaning that you're basically saying she was a vital character in his run which she was and if that's the case then your venom should be more directed towards the X side of marvel because that's where her Character Development matters the most which is why i give them more heat. If you disagree it's fine, I'm not losing sleep just because you don't like Black Panther and Storms relationship or whatever.

[QUOTE=xfire2k13;5241828]I wish Marvel would put Storm with a woman :([/QUOTE]

Ooooh Elektra would be nice.

[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5241750]Storm has just as much of a rich Mythos as Wakanda does. If not more or better. And If we EVER hope Storm to go out and branch out on her own in the greater Marvel Universe. And get from under T’Challa’s Hip and Wakanda’s beckoning call. She is going to lose her identity. And she needs to take a break from the X-Men.

New readers are coming and people think Storm is Wakandan. People think she can’t fight. People don’t know about her Marksman skills and expert thief. People don’t know much about her. Also, Storm needs a NEW love interest. Someone in the Marvel Universe that would make people go “Oh Shit for real? Ok I can get with it” someone we would NEVER expect. Get her AWAY from T’Challa, Logan and Forge.[/QUOTE]

I agree with everrything except i don't really care about the greater mu. My fave Storm stories are her in the xmen leading a team for a better world, i'm pretty simple. if she gets more developemnt like a solo i would love that and again i would prefer all of the writiers of DOX did her solo so no one person got bored and i feel each would do a good job exploring a different side in perhaps 4-6 issue arcs depending on the frequentness of release. As far as relationships i'm not much of a shipper and because of x-men and of more of the free love mentality, i truly fel every last x-men has proably had some kind of sex with each other when on a team so i don't really want storm to be tied down in a monogamous relationship and especially if it is explored that she is a young goddess, ororo will have many loves and perhaps many children but thus is the way of immortality,, at least thats how i think of it.

Readers are definitely associating her too much with Wakanda and Storm is a character that imo is bigger than wakanda. inherent disney could do a legitimate princess movie about her and her rise to goddess and it be amazing and on her own and its own merit if they wanted, thats the kind of rich history she has on her own and it feels like peopllye are minimizing that and re visioning history imo for it to fit some narrative. I know some may be uncertain with the fate of BP and Tchalla given the events of 2020 and may be desperate to hold on to something but not at the loss of Storm and her independence. But that's just my honest opinion.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5241904]None of whom are "team leaders" in the strictest sense of the term...as Storm and Cyclops were, in the past, as written by Claremont...in the past.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Leaders are leaders, past present or future.

You must bethinking in terms of squads and combat and that's where you're mistaken. Being a leader isn't always about fighting, it's about educating and preparing the future generations. Storm would be excellent at that.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Mekk80s;5241905]Yeah, sure bud. I "contradicted" myself by pointing out that Strom is a XMEN CHARACTER and that her development comes down to them in bigger capacity and who said you were stupid, I didn't say that i just said "use your brain" aka your common sense and yes Storm was a guest star in the BP books under coates and as a guest star he made her vital to plot points while you say she "was a side piece" and like i said before and I'm not saying it again, Storm does not need a love interest new or otherwise. You can think whatever you want budro but don't start this, don't do it. I'm simply just countering your input and views on your "thoughts" of storms character use [b]while also pointing your flawed logic that the BP books are most of the reason why "Storm isn't valued" which is false especially after you just said in quote "What do you call Storms involvement in Coates Black Panther run" and "That's not guest starring that's a supporting role" meaning that you're basically saying she was a vital character in his run which she was and if that's the case then your venom should be more directed towards the X side of marvel because that's where her Character Development matters the most which is why i give them more heat.[/b] If you disagree it's fine, I'm not losing sleep just because you don't like Black Panther and Storms relationship or whatever.[/QUOTE]


agreed. again if storm isn't being effectively used in the xbooks its not because she is being used by bp writers. it's because they don't want to use her. what was the excuse of her horrible usage after the marriage was annulled? when she gets better development in non xbooks the fault should lay with the offices that ultimately are responsible for her.

I took this from another thread

Comic chron’s estimations for September (low estimation – high estimation)

- X of Swords Creation [B]*XOS*[/B] – 115,000 – 140,000 (second highest selling Marvel comic)
- X-Men #12 [B]*XOS*[/B] – 75,000 – 90,000
- Juggernaut #1 – 67,500 – 80,000
- Wolverine #5 – 60,000 – 72,000
- Giant-Size X-Men: Storm – 55,500 – 60,000
- X-Factor #4 [B]*XOS*[/B] – 50,000 – 60,000
- Giant-Size X-Men Tribute Wein Cockrum – 33,000 – 39,000
- Hellions #4 – 33,000 – 39,000
- X-Force #12 – 29,500 – 35,000
- Excalibur #12 [B]*XOS*[/B] - 29,500 – 35,000
- Marauders #12 – 27,000 – 32,000
- New Mutants – 26,500 – 31,000
- X-Factor #3 – 23,000 – 28,000
- Cable #4 – 22,500 – 27,000
- X-Men Marvels Snapshot – 21,500 – 26,000

During the Hudlin run, it was established that Storm had living family in America.

Claremont did a story featuring Storm having an evil uncle in Africa.

It would be unique if Storm had mutant cousins on two continents.

We have the Summers, Rasputin's, and Mystique's very unique family of mutant characters.

I would welcome Storm having her own blood clan. Juggling her maternal & paternal relatives would make an interesting initial premise for a mini or ongoing.

A Storm family cook-out would be epic long before any X-Men, or Wakandan Royal family members even show up.

[QUOTE=Mah_Boons;5241966]Ooooh Elektra would be nice.[/QUOTE]

Ooooh That would be interesting! Never thought about that. I was thinking Yukio.....

[QUOTE=jwatson;5241992]I agree with everrything except i don't really care about the greater mu. My fave Storm stories are her in the xmen leading a team for a better world, i'm pretty simple. if she gets more developemnt like a solo i would love that and again i would prefer all of the writiers of DOX did her solo so no one person got bored and i feel each would do a good job exploring a different side in perhaps 4-6 issue arcs depending on the frequentness of release. As far as relationships i'm not much of a shipper and because of x-men and of more of the free love mentality, i truly fel every last x-men has proably had some kind of sex with each other when on a team so i don't really want storm to be tied down in a monogamous relationship and especially if it is explored that she is a young goddess, ororo will have many loves and perhaps many children but thus is the way of immortality,, at least thats how i think of it.

Readers are definitely associating her too much with Wakanda and Storm is a character that imo is bigger than wakanda. inherent disney could do a legitimate princess movie about her and her rise to goddess and it be amazing and on her own and its own merit if they wanted, thats the kind of rich history she has on her own and it feels like peopllye are minimizing that and re visioning history imo for it to fit some narrative. I know some may be uncertain with the fate of BP and Tchalla given the events of 2020 and may be desperate to hold on to something but not at the loss of Storm and her independence. But that's just my honest opinion.[/QUOTE]

Thank Goodness someone gets it. I knew you would know what I’m talking about. :-)

[QUOTE=xfire2k13;5242103]Ooooh That would be interesting! Never thought about that. I was thinking Yukio.....[/QUOTE]

Yukio is Fine. I was thinking along the lines of people you would never see Storm with. Or people that make you go “ooooh” like we both did in response to Elektra. LOL

[QUOTE=Sdawg;5240017]Storm wasn't outfighting Death. It literally wasn't until she broke Death's sword with Skybreaker that the odds turned in her favor, which is why I argue she needed that specific sword. The introduction of Skybreaker is no different that any other introduction of any new element in comic book history. Are there other things that could possibly have done the same things, possibly, but for whatever the story intends new things are introduced and that specific sword was needed. I guess we are making the same point but maybe arguing the effects of the plot device. I don't think it was useless. I think it did what was intended and it's importance was also demonstrated in the fight.

And maybe I'm thinking too much of this forum, but had Storm channeled her powers through the sword there would have been a huge uproar here lol. People were already complaining about this possibility basically insinuating that Marvel once again took away Storm's goddess status to give her another Stormcaster. People here were NOT happy with that idea at all. So it was nice that it didn't happen that way. However, given it didn't happen that way, I'm surprised at the reaction to it not happening that way lol. As I said, they were damned if they did or if they didn't.

I can accept your points about Adversary, however, the complaints seemed to be about the literal fight itself. It seemed people wanted an epic and long drawn out fight and were disappointed that Storm defeated Death in a "cliched" way. However people seemed much more satisfied with the fight between Storm and Adversary and Storm based on the the pictures just literally just blew Adversary away lol! So in terms of the actual fight, I don't understand how that was much more thrilling other than it certified Storm's status as a goddess and gave her an impressive feat beating Adversary. People also went crazy about the space feat and most of us couldn't even understand what happened from the pictures. So I'm speaking specifically of the fight itself. I get the importance of the Adversary fight to the narrative. I made a whole tribute post about it on my social media LMAO!!![/QUOTE]

The answer to this is very simple. The story was built better, her ascension was spot on and a truly terrifying show of her true potential and powers was shown. On top of that, her defeating Adversary was an amazing feat, I can't say the same for Death. The event between Death and Storm is simply... boring. Nothing personal, all those XOS contests are boring, I didn't expect much but definitely, that is below my lowest expectations.

All I see above is people asking to see Storm in a leadership role, but I do give you this challenge, come up with an idea which has nothing to do with the leadership and still being important for Storm and Stormcentric. Go on, I am sure you can do better than asking for Storm being in a leadership role. For me personally, leadership roles are boring. I don't need to see Storm commanding other mutants and leading them, I want to see something bigger and more than that.

I'll just say I believe Storm has been collateral damage in a lot of business moves and power plays that have greatly affected and impacted her character. It's like she is symbolically profiled without being given much detail and attention. I do give 100% credit to the BP books for most, if not all of Storm's most recent character development, and at the same time, I do find the intertwining depth of her usage in that book a bit problematic. The XOffice, on the other hand, have done her no wonders but I question how much behind the scenes deals have killed Storm. For example, I believe most of the current problem started, ironically, with the BP marriage and how it dragged Storm away from prominence and usage in the XBooks (with XTreme Xmen and the introduction of the XSE) while promising to bring her prominence in the wider MU which it never really did. Then, when the marriage was rudely ended, she returned to the XBooks with nothing to do and no one wanting to use her. That killed her character development for years. The whole way they handled these moves were very odd when juxtaposed to the widespread presence of Wolverine. While exhausting, it's not like they don't have a blueprint on how to expand her importance and presence throughout the MU. So I guess I'm saying Marvel as a whole is to blame lol!

When it comes to Storm's solo, I personally don't feel she needs sales to prove anything. We already know she's popular and culturally significant. They haven't found her to be worth the investment and attention. I honestly don't blame the current Marvel office for this. Storm's profile should have risen the day she beat Wonder Woman in a popularity contest. There is no reason that after producing those results, she should not have been propped up for greater things. But if it didn't happen in her heyday, then I'm sure they don't think there is any reason for it to happen now. Also, most of these so called great solo characters (outside of maybe Spiderman, Hulk, and Wolverine) have had multiple solo flops and continue to get solo books (especially and unfortunately, the female counterparts: Captain Marvel, She Hulk, etc.). All it takes is that simple investment in Storm and it could happen. Captain Marvel got a movie out of thin air and it has been a boost for her. So give Storm ten million failed solo attempts like any other character and I'm sure eventually one would be successful, but it is a huge shame that as Marvel's most popular and important female character she has only received one solo and it was not properly promoted, quickly pulled, and not given a chance to live.

[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5242227]The answer to this is very simple. The story was built better, her ascension was spot on and a truly terrifying show of her true potential and powers was shown. On top of that, her defeating Adversary was an amazing feat, I can't say the same for Death. The event between Death and Storm is simply... boring. Nothing personal, all those XOS contests are boring, I didn't expect much but definitely, that is below my lowest expectations.

All I see above is people asking to see Storm in a leadership role, but I do give you this challenge, come up with an idea which has nothing to do with the leadership and still being important for Storm and Stormcentric. Go on, I am sure you can do better than asking for Storm being in a leadership role. For me personally, leadership roles are boring. I don't need to see Storm commanding other mutants and leading them, I want to see something bigger and more than that.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]I've said this many times. Storm leading the effort to rebuild and establish Genosha as a nation that welcomes all people from mutants to Inhumans.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5241993][COLOR="#000080"]Leaders are leaders, past present or future.

You must bethinking in terms of squads and combat and that's where you're mistaken. Being a leader isn't always about fighting, it's about educating and preparing the future generations. Storm would be excellent at that.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

LOL Exactly. Why else did Pro. X placed Storm as the Leader of the X-Men.

[QUOTE=Sdawg;5242237]

When it comes to Storm's solo, [B]I personally don't feel she needs sales to prove anything. We already know she's popular and culturally significant. They haven't found her to be worth the investment and attention. I honestly don't blame the current Marvel office for this. Storm's profile should have risen the day she beat Wonder Woman in a popularity contest.[/B] There is no reason that after producing those results, she should not have been propped up for greater things. Also, most of these so called great solo characters (outside of maybe Spiderman, Hulk, and Wolverine) have had multiple solo flops and continue to get solo books (especially and unfortunately, the female counterparts: Captain Marvel, She Hulk, etc.). All it takes is that simple investment in Storm and it could happen. Captain Marvel got a movie out of thin air and it has been a boost for her. [/QUOTE]

Bias polls mean NOTHING. What was Storm supposed to get versus a woman with a tv show and over 700 solo issues? Going by those polls Black Panther lost to John Stewart and we KNOW Dc hates him. Folks had to be fired for him to finally get a trade all about him in 2021.

Proving you can SELL is what matters in the end. Carol & She Hulk get those nonstop shots because they had at least ONE run last beyond 12 issues.

Both of them have hit 50 issues at one point. As have Moon Knight. That is why they get shots.

Storm just needs a run to hit at least 36 issues.

And the X-Office can't toss out no one buy a black female lead book.

Moon Girl is the longest lasting one at 47.

Riri & Shuri have had 2 volumes.

Black America's Favorite Sweetheart-constantly sold out at comic book stores

Image's Kick Azz is still going

Goldie Vance is still doing OGN and novels.

Nubia has one and I PROMISE you all it will be a top seller next year

Naomi season 2 is coming in 2021.

Abbott vol 2 from Miles's writer is coming out next year.

VIxen finally has something.

[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5241349]Lol it was waring my eyes out trying to read all of them. Some good stuff. If anything (good or bad) this event definitely impacted the fandoms.[/QUOTE]

Baby I be trying to read all that cause I know some of it may be a good read but they don't even be having emoticons to at least break up the space so I can give my eyes a break. After the 2nd or 3rd sentence I be like "forget this, i'm out" lol

[QUOTE=xfire2k13;5242103]Ooooh That would be interesting! Never thought about that. I was thinking Yukio.....[/QUOTE]

I have said it before a Electra&Storm duo book would be everything. The female batman ala superman book of Marvel.
Yukio should be supporting cast member in any Storm solo.