Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031415]The user asked when did she fight the adversary of death. that was the initial statement.
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This part you got right.
My response to that question was grouping All Encounters.

The same User responds to me by saying And I quote “ She fought with two deities?! I thought they are the same thing...”

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031415]
I asked that question a couple of pages back.
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We are not talking about “a couple pages ago” we are talking about the Now.

We are talking about Adversary and Uovu not being the same Entity. That’s it.

Not sure why you brought up something that was pages ago. When that’s not even the topic of discussion. You need to follow along. Pay attention.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031415]And it was stormcaster power, not hers, who fought uovo so even in that context you are incorrect my beloved:
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It doesn’t matter how she fought him. We are not talking about the context of the fight. Follow along. We are talking about the fact that Uovu is not the Adversary. That’s the Point.

We are not talking about Storm needing help to fight Uovu that was not the question. Follow Along pay attention.

I’m not incorrect because I didn’t say anything to counter you in the first place. Do you know what’s being discussed?? Because you just told me you are talking about something else that was Pages Ago so I don’t think you Do.

Please pay attention.


[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031415]

storm was an avatar but it was stormcaster power that defeated him.[/QUOTE]

Again, not what we are talking about.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5031437]This part you got right.
My response to that question was grouping All Encounters.

The same User responds to me by saying And I quote “ She fought with two deities?! I thought they are the same thing...”


We are not talking about “a couple pages ago” we are talking about the Now.

We are talking about Adversary and Uovu not being the same Entity. That’s it. Not sure why you brought up something pages ago.


This is not what we are talking about. Please pay attention because that’s not what the question was asked.




Again, not what we are talking about.[/QUOTE]

If "fighting dieties" include those where she wasnt using her power but the power of the asgardian source then you would be right. However, I thought the question was when did Ororo fight two deities. The time where she fought deities using her own power both occured in Black Panther. If you are grouping all her showings even when she is not using her powers then you would be correct and then that would be three in total.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031455]If "fighting dieties" include those where she wasnt using her power but the power of the asgardian source then you would be right. However, I thought the question was when did Ororo fight two deities. The time where she fought deities using her own power both occured in Black Panther. If you are grouping all her showings even when she is not using her powers then you would be correct and then that would be three in total.[/QUOTE]

Kyss we are talking about Adversary and Uovu are not the same Entity. The user did not ask for the Context of the fight. That’s not exactly what they asked. What you are talking about is something different.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031455]If "fighting dieties" include those where she wasnt using her power but the power of the asgardian source then you would be right. However, I thought the question was when did Ororo fight two deities. The time where she fought deities using her own power both occured in Black Panther. If you are grouping all her showings even when she is not using her powers then you would be correct and then that would be three in total.[/QUOTE]

Okay, okay, guys. Please calm down. My original question was when she fought the deities, not when she fought them without or with extra help. I was curious, because... as I originally stated thought that the two deities she fought were the same thing, but actually they were two different ones. Even though, now when I am done reading them, I do understand that they were two deities but seem to represent the same thing.

I am done reading now, I am a huge fan on Storm and I love her encounters, but my favourite one was in Black Panther, even though I would have loved to see more of that fight than just... what? Three panels? But I am also a bit disappointed since she had help in all three situations... but also I am quite happy what I saw in Black Panther because it was confirmed that she is a higher deity, but what does this mean? Was Adversary stronger than the Greek Gods for Example or the Asgardians? And what does it mean that she is a higher deity? There is ranks in the deities? I am not aware of that.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5031459]Kyss we are talking about Adversary and Uovu are not the same Entity. The user did not ask for the Context of the fight. That’s not exactly what they asked. What you are talking about is something different.[/QUOTE]

I thought the question was when did she fight two deities?

Adversary is one, the god of Death is one and then when you group her power coupled with external ones you get Uovo. There are three instances.

Next Topic.

Can Storm perform Energy Drain on characters that have Gamma Radiation or Solar Radiation???

[QUOTE=vladko92;5031467]Okay, okay, guys. Please calm down. My original question was when she fought the deities, not when she fought them without or with extra help. I was curious, because... as I originally stated thought that the two deities she fought were the same thing, but actually they were two different ones. Even though, now when I am done reading them, I do understand that they were two deities but seem to represent the same thing.

I am done reading now, I am a huge fan on Storm and I love her encounters, but my favourite one was in Black Panther, even though I would have loved to see more of that fight than just... what? Three panels? But I am also a bit disappointed since she had help in all three situations... but also I am quite happy what I saw in Black Panther because it was confirmed that she is a higher deity, but what does this mean? Was Adversary stronger than the Greek Gods for Example or the Asgardians? And what does it mean that she is a higher deity? There is ranks in the deities? I am not aware of that.[/QUOTE]


I think some clarification is needed.

1. When she fought adversary she actually didnt have help. She nearly destroyed him but the wakandan shamans sealed him away in an extra dimensional portal. All in all, she defeated him with her power:


[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/64880/6393591-2869887712-63871.jpg[/img]

2. When she went to limbo to saved tchalla she defeated him with a blast of wind powered energy:

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I actually kept reading and death wasnt defeated he eventually came back after this attack.

I dont think we can say what adversary's power is in comparison to the other gods. All we can definitively say is that Ororo is a bigger god than adversary and that life depends on his existence.


Here's a description of his power from wiki:


[i]The Adversary is a powerful demon of the highest order and possesses vast supernatural powers. He is virtually invulnerable to anything but the most powerful magic and iron. He has superhuman strength and endurance.

He can enter and leave different planes of existence and dimensions at will and has reality-warping powers. He can also summon demons and other supernatural creatures to do his bidding.[/i]

If the above is true and if life really depends on his existence, this means that she is much more powerful than Asgardian Gods, since people don't really need their existence to survive. And then we take under consideration that in open space she can control energies from the near star, that leads me to believe that she is Universal God, not planetary one...

[QUOTE=vladko92;5031492]If the above is true and if life really depends on his existence, this means that she is much more powerful than Asgardian Gods, since people don't really need their existence to survive. And then we take under consideration that in open space she can control energies from the near star, that leads me to believe that she is Universal God, not planetary one...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it’s possible.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5031492]If the above is true and if life really depends on his existence, this means that she is much more powerful than Asgardian Gods, since people don't really need their existence to survive. And then we take under consideration that in open space she can control energies from the near star, that leads me to believe that she is Universal God, not planetary one...[/QUOTE]

absolutely. adversary is a universal threat so if she is a bigger god that would totally align to your statement. the power that resides in ororo is untapped and if she fully embraced it all there would be few who could stand against her:


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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5031478]Next Topic.

Can Storm perform Energy Drain on characters that have Gamma Radiation or Solar Radiation???[/QUOTE]

yes she should be able to just as she has depowered ships etc in the past.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031510]yes she should be able to just as she has depowered ships etc in the past.[/QUOTE]

But where does all that radiation go?
Can She make it inert. Cause wouldnt it still cause a fallout?.
Forgive my ignorance.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5031524]But where does all that radiation go?
Can She make it inert. Cause wouldnt it still cause a fallout?.
Forgive my ignorance.[/QUOTE]

However you look at it, Radiation is energy, and since Storm can alter, command, control and shape energy (look at her weather manipulation powers), I believe she can bend it and spread it, let it disperse in unharmful way or use it to empower her lightning.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5031524]But where does all that radiation go?
Can She make it inert. Cause wouldnt it still cause a fallout?.
Forgive my ignorance.[/QUOTE]

Hmmmm. I'm making this up as a go along as she has never did it but I would think she could convert said energy into one that wouldnt harm anyone. Consider, for instance, when she converted shamans blizzard into a flurry of snowflakes:

[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/104272/2141606-shaman2.jpg[/img]

She can defeat them (Adversary and Uovo) but she cannot destroy them as they are imperative to the cycles of life.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5031527]However you look at it, Radiation is energy, and since Storm can alter, command, control and shape energy (look at her weather manipulation powers), I believe she can bend it and spread it, let it disperse in unharmful way or use it to empower her lightning.[/QUOTE]

yes agreed to this.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031488]I think some clarification is needed.

1. When she fought adversary she actually didnt have help. She nearly destroyed him but the wakandan shamans sealed him away in an extra dimensional portal. All in all, she defeated him with her power:


[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/64880/6393591-2869887712-63871.jpg[/img]

2. When she went to limbo to saved tchalla she defeated him with a blast of wind powered energy:

[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/33EEoyC_y8sYkz9AgFryGZXxTf6_6pfR3fx4W9VzMuvcPvSOxMQ9gly_-HvsbOhqR7zQvr624LAe=s1600[/img]

I actually kept reading and death wasnt defeated he eventually came back after this attack.

I dont think we can say what adversary's power is in comparison to the other gods. All we can definitively say is that Ororo is a bigger god than adversary and that life depends on his existence.


Here's a description of his power from wiki:


[i]The Adversary is a powerful demon of the highest order and possesses vast supernatural powers. He is virtually invulnerable to anything but the most powerful magic and iron. He has superhuman strength and endurance.

He can enter and leave different planes of existence and dimensions at will and has reality-warping powers. He can also summon demons and other supernatural creatures to do his bidding.[/i][/QUOTE]

Sorry I wrote this twice and it didn't load so I'm short handing now.

When it comes to the limbo death situation, I just assume she was imbude with Avatar Wimdrider Magic against him, despite it looking like Weather. I draw this from the past Two past Windriders we saw in BP Annual. If you apply same logic one could say the same for the advaseray . And should be able to take someone like Ovu down.

To move the topic to something else, do you think that Storm could resist the Black Winter from Thor 2020 solo?

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5031549]Sorry I wrote this twice and it didn't load so I'm short handing now.

When it comes to the limbo death situation, I just assume she was imbude with Avatar Wimdrider Magic against him, despite it looking like Weather. I draw this from the past Two past Windriders we saw in BP Annual. If you apply same logic one could say the same for the advaseray . And should be able to take someone like Ovu down.[/QUOTE]


I understand and agree. I think Guggs was simply working to contradict everything that Coates was writing at the time.


[QUOTE=vladko92;5031577]To move the topic to something else, do you think that Storm could resist the Black Winter from Thor 2020 solo?[/QUOTE]

I dont know much about this. She was able to contain eternity in her consciousness but I'm not sure if this is a way to gauge what she could do against that entity. What is the black winter about?

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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031501]absolutely. adversary is a universal threat so if she is a bigger god that would totally align to your statement. the power that resides in ororo is untapped and if she fully embraced it all there would be few who could stand against her:


[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XX_egQ6nNDeVCsMO80TgoqcnkozDrJPvfhRqh-ZRTLgnaMvcezcSer-U1HJn1sw4qOjHPZ441-89=s1600[/img][/QUOTE]

He's a universal threat because he's obsessed with 616
Him easily defeating Roma while she's at full power proves he's multiversal. Not only that he was laughing the entire fight.

Also let's remember that Adversary called a powerless Storm a threat in the 80's because of high amount of untapped spiritual powers she had

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What is the black winter about?[/QUOTE]

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Black Winter is something like Universal Deity, that consumes and eats Universes, Galactus is his Herald... but it is called Black Winter, because when he comes into a certain universe, his black snow, which comes like a blizzard, disperse any biological life turning it pretty much into dust and ash. From what I could tell:

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Of course, there is a wiki for the deity:

[URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Winter_(Multiverse)"]Black Winter[/URL]

They call it, the opposite of Eternity or something...

[QUOTE=KLY360;5031687]He's a universal threat because he's obsessed with 616
Him easily defeating Roma while she's at full power proves he's multiversal. Not only that he was laughing the entire fight.[/QUOTE]

great point. he was clearly unphased the entire battle with exception of when colossus attacked but he easily regenerated like it was nothing


[QUOTE=KLY360;5031692]Also let's remember that Adversary called a powerless Storm a threat in the 80's because of high amount of untapped spiritual powers she had[/QUOTE]


omg yes. he was afraid of her. forge revealed this to her when they were on the planet by themselves adversary had created:

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[QUOTE=vladko92;5031708][ATTACH=CONFIG]98308[/ATTACH]

Black Winter is something like Universal Deity, that consumes and eats Universes, Galactus is his Herald... but it is called Black Winter, because when he comes into a certain universe, his black snow, which comes like a blizzard, disperse any biological life turning it pretty much into dust and ash. From what I could tell:

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Of course, there is a wiki for the deity:

[URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Winter_(Multiverse)"]Black Winter[/URL]

They call it, the opposite of Eternity or something...[/QUOTE]


when the wiki said it is a multiversal cosmic being I stopper there. ororo is powerful but i dont think she is up there yet lol


Nevertheless, seeing our gurl can heal entire dimensions makes me wonder what is her full potential. it was hinted during roguestorm she would have unlimited power but what does that really mean?

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thank you as well for the info.

Kyss nice feat above I forgot to mention it.
She has multiversal reality warping and time manipulation (RANGE)

She gave the x-men the option to go to any reality or timeline they wanted. Roma was gonna use her powers and manipulate the events like they existed there.

[QUOTE=KLY360;5031759]Kyss nice feat above I forgot to mention it.
She has multiversal reality warping and time manipulation (RANGE)

She gave the x-men the option to go to any reality or timeline they wanted. Roma was gonna use her powers and manipulate the events like they existed there.[/QUOTE]

really can you provide scans of that??? I've never knew!!

[QUOTE=KLY360;5031692]Also let's remember that Adversary called a powerless Storm a threat in the 80's because of high amount of untapped spiritual powers she had[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031743]omg yes. he was afraid of her. forge revealed this to her when they were on the planet by themselves adversary had created[/QUOTE]

Actually, Forge said... "He respects [B]our[/B] power -- and potential as much as he fears it." Not, "He respects [B]your[/B] power, Ororo."

Just thought I'd point that out.

[QUOTE=Micabe;5031769]Actually, Forge said... "He respects [B]our[/B] power -- and potential as much as he fears it." Not, "He respects [B]your[/B] power, Ororo."

Just thought I'd point that out.[/QUOTE]

true BUT it never was explicitly shown why he feared ororo. forge we saw because he locked him away but it wasnt until coates that we fully understood where his fear of her was warranted:

[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/64880/6393591-2869887712-63871.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=vladko92;5031708][ATTACH=CONFIG]98308[/ATTACH]

Black Winter is something like Universal Deity, that consumes and eats Universes, Galactus is his Herald... but it is called Black Winter, because when he comes into a certain universe, his black snow, which comes like a blizzard, disperse any biological life turning it pretty much into dust and ash. From what I could tell:

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Of course, there is a wiki for the deity:

[URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Winter_(Multiverse)"]Black Winter[/URL]

They call it, the opposite of Eternity or something...[/QUOTE]

Ugh Thor Talk.

Yeah, your about right. But I’m starting to get tired of all these opposites of Something. I mean The Cosmic Entity Oblivion is the Opposite of Eternity and then there’s another one.

So many contradictions when it comes to the Cosmic Entities.

[QUOTE=Micabe;5031769]Actually, Forge said... "He respects [B]our[/B] power -- and potential as much as he fears it." Not, "He respects [B]your[/B] power, Ororo."

Just thought I'd point that out.[/QUOTE]

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Actually no I was talking about this. He was talking about Forge and Storm spiritual powers and the only thing that limits them is their human bodies

It's in the scan you posted.
Roma told them she can be revised them in any reality, world, or timeline they chose.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5031577]To move the topic to something else, do you think that Storm could resist the Black Winter from Thor 2020 solo?[/QUOTE]

We need more feats from Goddess Storm 1st. As it stands now the Black Winter is a Massive Multiversal Entity.

[QUOTE=KLY360;5031790]It's in the scan you posted.
Roma told them she can be revised them in any reality, world, or timeline they chose.[/QUOTE]

maybe I'm missing it but where does it say that lol

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031821]maybe I'm missing it but where does it say that lol[/QUOTE]

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this was all Roma's power how does this translate to forge and storm?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5031778]true BUT it never was explicitly shown why he feared ororo.[COLOR="#A9A9A9"] forge we saw because he locked him away but it wasnt until coates that we fully understood where his fear of her was warranted[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

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[B][U][URL="https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/uncanny-x-men-1st-series-221"]The Uncanny X-Men #221[/URL][/U][/B]

I've always found this to be more than enough explanation despite what's depicted in Black Panther #172.[/center]

I was pointing out the scan also had another meaning than what you used it for.
It shows Roma is capable of reality/time warping on a reality scale.
You see Storm requested for them to return to their original timeline but have Roma manipulate to think the X-men are still gone.

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[B][U][URL="https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/uncanny-x-men-1st-series-221"]The Uncanny X-Men #221[/URL][/U][/B]

I've always found this to be more than enough explanation despite what's depicted in Black Panther #172.[/center][/QUOTE]

interesting. what specifically was explained from your perspective in this issue that would have made adversary fear ororo? he seemed to want to make her mind and body his own and aside from admiring the power that she possessed I didnt get the sense he feared her. not from this issue at least

I wasn't trying to prove that the Adversary feared Ororo quite the opposite actually. If one reads [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Uncanny_X-Men_Vol_1_220"]UX-Men #220-224[/URL][/U][/B] you'd find that it was never about fear with the Adversary -- he factly knew that Forge and Ororo were both physical threats to his personal goal(s).