[QUOTE=Mekk80s;4930458]Long time no see my peoples, so what's the word?[/QUOTE]
hi there how ru??
not much to talk about but we do have giant size storm coming out in a few months. I'm excited.
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[QUOTE=Mekk80s;4930458]Long time no see my peoples, so what's the word?[/QUOTE]
hi there how ru??
not much to talk about but we do have giant size storm coming out in a few months. I'm excited.
Mr. Superiority Complex vs The Weather Godess, Eh? That's an interesting matchup that I would say kinda depends based on the location, I would say 49% to 51% in a slight edge to Ro. All depends on whos the last standing for me and in terms of the G.S. comic I'll approach that with caution, I seen the first issue on youtube and it was ok but I'm more curious as to how this plays out. When comes to the waifu storm I'm a little more protective, like I don't expect her to do much in this new xmen outlook, I've just been having a concerned think session on the state of black superheroes. I heard that the whole tech virus thing was done before in terms of storm.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4930556][url]https://mobile.twitter.com/xmen_bracket/status/1249134003132796929[/url]
my bad here you go. its storm vs magneto!![/QUOTE]
Thanksl! I Voted!
Unpopular opinion: While I would really LOVE a Storm solo, I don't want Jen Bartel to draw it. Her act, while nice, is not my cup of tea. Russell Dauterman or Salvador Larroca would be my top choices in a perfect world.
I'd rather Dauterman. Larroca was ace in the past, but his work doesn't look as good as it did during his prime of the XXM era.
Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4931918]Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.[/QUOTE]
I don't care WHO writes Storm just give her a damn Solo Book. If Coates is giving her a Book then i'll read it.
Better then reading about other Heroes who IMO do not deserve so many chances at a Solo Book.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4931918]Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.[/QUOTE]
yeah I dont think she would be a good choice to draw it. She is good as a cover artist but I dont think her style works too well for panels. Too simple and cartoony for what Id want out of Storm
Pretty but static.
Honestly, Coates as a potential writer for storm in a maybe solo series makes sense and wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean he seems to understand the character better than any X writer after the Claremont dude which might be a bit of a reach but judging by recent depictions of her (not counting Hudlin) she could use some actual character development, Coates BP series isn't bad it has its moments and judging by some fans in this thread especially Kyss seems that Coates gives strom enough to work with and would be somewhat welcomed as a potential writer for a maybe storm solo.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4931918]Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.[/QUOTE]
I totally feel you! Coates would not be my first choice either.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4931972]I totally feel you! Coates would not be my first choice either.[/QUOTE]
What’s wrong with Bartel?
[QUOTE=CRaymond;4931973]What’s wrong with Bartel?[/QUOTE]
Too neon and cartoony for my taste. It doesn't have the gravitas to anchor a Storm solo book. She'd be better suited for a Dazzler or Jubilee series.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4930798]Thanksl! I Voted![/QUOTE]
thank you she won!!!
[QUOTE=Mekk80s;4931958]Honestly, Coates as a potential writer for storm in a maybe solo series makes sense and wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean he seems to understand the character better than any X writer after the Claremont dude which might be a bit of a reach but judging by recent depictions of her (not counting Hudlin) she could use some actual character development, Coates BP series isn't bad it has its moments and judging by some fans in this thread especially Kyss seems that Coates gives strom enough to work with and would be somewhat welcomed as a potential writer for a maybe storm solo.[/QUOTE]
yes to all of this. I can understand why BP fans would sh!t on his work but honestly I dont quite understand why any storm fan would. you look at all the writers who have written her since Claremont stopped writing her in his initial run and you will not find a writer who has done nearly as he has with her connection to her blackness, her powerset, and to the elements that Claremont himself wrote. when was the last time ororo went to harlem or had any connection to his ties there? when was the last time a writer discussed her being able to perceive energy, not weather, but energy? when was the last time a writer made her central and essential to the story without using her to prop up other characters? you find me a story like this post her marrying tchalla and I would be shocked.
as I have said a few times give coates his credit because he has developed her beyond anything I've seen even post Hickman. the reason simply being he truly loves the character.
I'm so amused at the thought of Coates being the Solo writer for Storm.
I don't think he's ready for the Storm fans.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4932015]I'm so amused at the thought of Coates being the Solo writer for Storm.
I don't think he's ready for the Storm fans.[/QUOTE]
really? I thought it was the response from storm fans in the form of praise that helped push him being rumored to write her solo back in 2017?
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4931918]Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Coates' BP run was the most boring, unfulfilling run for that character and Wakanda. And Bartel can do great covers, but her interior pages are not that nice.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4932021]really? I thought it was the response from storm fans in the form of praise that helped push him being rumored to write her solo back in 2017?[/QUOTE]
Because a LEGIT question would have to be asked. Which Coates would you get?
We saw Coates turn Black Panther into a stealth Storm/ Midnight Angels book. Unlike Cap America.
What is to say he wouldn't turn her book into a stealth Jean or Kitty or whoever he REALLY wants to write book?
Also the perks Black Panther have are NOT given to Storm.
I put Coates on a Storm book-excluding probably Blnerd and MAYBE marysues websites-others that interview him are going to mention BP & CA way more than Storm.
When this trade comes out-will it get he perks BP got? His funs have been part of promotions for Amazon (buy 2 get 1 free) or sold everywhere (I saw BP trades at Office Depot-NEARLY sold out while Flash & Wonder Woman were in BULK).
Truth be told I would rather Eve Ewing or Vita give it a try. Or Leah Williams. And I would NOT put it past Leah nor Vita-if they haven't tried to pitch a book for Storm.
You might get 12 issues or 47. Right now should be about RESUME building so when it comes time for X-Men on screen from marvel and SALE boost to all X-Men book happen-Storm will at least have something.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4932472]Because a LEGIT question would have to be asked. Which Coates would you get?
We saw Coates turn Black Panther into a stealth Storm/ Midnight Angels book. Unlike Cap America.
What is to say he wouldn't turn her book into a stealth Jean or Kitty or whoever he REALLY wants to write book?
Also the perks Black Panther have are NOT given to Storm.
I put Coates on a Storm book-excluding probably Blnerd and MAYBE marysues websites-others that interview him are going to mention BP & CA way more than Storm.
When this trade comes out-will it get he perks BP got? His funs have been part of promotions for Amazon (buy 2 get 1 free) or sold everywhere (I saw BP trades at Office Depot-NEARLY sold out while Flash & Wonder Woman were in BULK).
Truth be told I would rather Eve Ewing or Vita give it a try. Or Leah Williams. And I would NOT put it past Leah nor Vita-if they haven't tried to pitch a book for Storm.
You might get 12 issues or 47. Right now should be about RESUME building so when it comes time for X-Men on screen from marvel and SALE boost to all X-Men book happen-Storm will at least have something.[/QUOTE]
that's the thing though I dont think he turned black panther into a stealth storm book. she appeared a handful of times so I dont think that is a fair conclusion to be made.
as for the other stuff you mentioned regarding sales captain marvel books REPEATEDLY gets reboots even after constant poor sales. I see no reason why marvels premiere black female superhero cant be given the same
moreover, coates has put in the investment in her character since 2017, he definitely deserves the chance at writing the solo book he was rumored to write back inn2017.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4932534]
as for the other stuff you mentioned regarding sales captain marvel books REPEATEDLY gets reboots even after constant poor sales. I see no reason why marvels premiere black female superhero cant be given the same
moreover, coates has put in the investment in her character since 2017, he definitely deserves the chance at writing the solo book he was rumored to write back inn2017.[/QUOTE]
Carol has a boost via trades. On Amazon super hero trades there have been 3 (maybe 4) females who have stayed at the top 100 of sales.
Carol Danvers, Jane Foster, Ms Marvel & Vampirella. Yes VAMPIRELLA has at time BEATEN every male hero at DC and marvel in trade sales.
Carol's runs-
She has had 4 since 2012 and 2 minis. Remember she has a movie in the works since 2013. So the need to put out more stuff is understandable.
Storm's issue is that all those appearances in books to the point of being the most of any female at Marvel. Where is the SUBSTANCE to them? If she was taken out of the story would she be missed to the point of it changing the story?
For Black panther she is PART of the story that her removal would change the stories. We can't say that for X-Men as of the entire 2000s.
This is not limited to Storm-I can name off PLENTY of black characters this applies to. Then you wonder why you can't attract a writer. Then you wonder why you see a novel with Shuri or OGN with Raven. Somebody made use of them in comics and TV.
Lets not forget the push back to black females that we have seen. Yes Naomi, Livewire, Jo, Moon Girl and Riri have held books. We have also seen books like Motor Crush get kept out of stores or Goldie Vance go trade only due to backlash.
I think the issue for Storm (and this applies to Cyborg & John Stewart too) folks don't want to see that advancement. Because they fear that competition.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4932340]Agreed. Coates' BP run was the most boring, unfulfilling run for that character and Wakanda. And Bartel can do great covers, but her interior pages are not that nice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4931982]Too neon and cartoony for my taste. It doesn't have the gravitas to anchor a Storm solo book. She'd be better suited for a Dazzler or Jubilee series.[/QUOTE]
You guys make a good point about Jen Bartel I never really thought of it that way.
I wouldn't want Coates on a Storm book because he's too boring. Yes, he gets the character, but he's a snooze fest. We already know his style of writing his Captain America is just as boring as his Black Panther.....and that's terrible.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4932472]
Truth be told I would rather Eve Ewing or Vita give it a try. Or Leah Williams. And I would NOT put it past Leah nor Vita-if they haven't tried to pitch a book for Storm.
You might get 12 issues or 47. Right now should be about RESUME building so when it comes time for X-Men on screen from marvel and SALE boost to all X-Men book happen-Storm will at least have something.[/QUOTE]
I have concerns with Eve Ewing. I know her work, but never read it and my concern is does she REALLY get Storm. As for Vita I don't know Vita's work.
I want someone who has imagination and not afraid to be more experimental about Storm. We just need a Storm book that's captivating and interesting and at least get passed Issue 12. -_-
If these Writers: Eve, Vita, Coates think they are up to the task then I as well as others have big expectations they must meet for us Storm fans.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4932786]Carol has a boost via trades. On Amazon super hero trades there have been 3 (maybe 4) females who have stayed at the top 100 of sales.
Carol Danvers, Jane Foster, Ms Marvel & Vampirella. Yes VAMPIRELLA has at time BEATEN every male hero at DC and marvel in trade sales.
Carol's runs-
She has had 4 since 2012 and 2 minis. Remember she has a movie in the works since 2013. So the need to put out more stuff is understandable.
Storm's issue is that all those appearances in books to the point of being the most of any female at Marvel. Where is the SUBSTANCE to them? If she was taken out of the story would she be missed to the point of it changing the story?
For Black panther she is PART of the story that her removal would change the stories. We can't say that for X-Men as of the entire 2000s.
This is not limited to Storm-I can name off PLENTY of black characters this applies to. Then you wonder why you can't attract a writer. Then you wonder why you see a novel with Shuri or OGN with Raven. Somebody made use of them in comics and TV.
Lets not forget the push back to black females that we have seen. Yes Naomi, Livewire, Jo, Moon Girl and Riri have held books. We have also seen books like Motor Crush get kept out of stores or Goldie Vance go trade only due to backlash.
I think the issue for Storm (and this applies to Cyborg & John Stewart too) folks don't want to see that advancement. Because they fear that competition.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right that Storms presence, for the most part, has not been substance based. This is why I greatly appreciate what Coates has done to elevate her in the marvel universe, because before Coates - as boring as he is **rolls eyes** - without his effort she would go back to being the wallpaper, appearing on covers but not showing up in the story, taking orders from Kitty, going crazy for a man who dies who doesn't even see her as his life flashes before his life, lightning lass character she had always been since Claremont stopped writing her.
I stan for Coates because he was fighting for the character long before he started writing her. He sees her as a character that should be more than a token. At this point, even with what we have seen with Hickman thus far, doesn't show her with the substance Coates has demonstrated. So I totally agree with you there.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4932807]You guys make a good point about Jen Bartel I never really thought of it that way.
I wouldn't want Coates on a Storm book because he's too boring. Yes, he gets the character, but he's a snooze fest. We already know his style of writing his Captain America is just as boring as his Black Panther.....and that's terrible.
I have concerns with Eve Ewing. I know her work, but never read it and my concern is does she REALLY get Storm. As for Vita I don't know Vita's work.
I want someone who has imagination and not afraid to be more experimental about Storm. We just need a Storm book that's captivating and interesting and at least get passed Issue 12. -_-
If these Writers: Eve, Vita, Coates think they are up to the task then I as well as others have big expectations they must meet for us Storm fans.[/QUOTE]
You know honestly I dont think every Storm fan would be happy no matter how good the content might be. I would like to think that Claremont Storm would be one thing all us fans could agree upon but I'm not even sure that's true. Some fans prefer her powerless, punk version, some prefer her goddess hair with goddess power, some want her with either Wolverine, Thor, Forge etc, while others see her as a pansexual who doesn't place conventional limits on her sexual identity.
The point being is that even if a writer comes out guns blazing with the best material someONE will find something to gripe about. I certainly come to see that after all the good things that came from Coates.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4932855]You know honestly I dont think every Storm fan would be happy no matter how good the content might be. I would like to think that Claremont Storm would be one thing all us fans could agree upon but I'm not even sure that's true. Some fans prefer her powerless, punk version, some prefer her goddess hair with goddess power, some want her with either Wolverine, Thor, Forge etc, while others see her as a pansexual who doesn't place conventional limits on her sexual identity.
The point being is that even if a writer comes out guns blazing with the best material someONE will find something to gripe about. I certainly come to see that after all the good things that came from Coates.[/QUOTE]
Well, you can't blame them everyone has different taste. Everyone likes Claremont because he essentially molded and created the reason why we all like Storm. I don't know any Storm fans that can say they hated Claremonts Classic Storm. So, as I mentioned before those are just tastes as you can see Storm fans have different tastes on what THEY would like to see. You can't please everyone. HOWEVER, a good writer would be able to mold those specific tastes into a Solo book.
Ex:
-Write 1-3 issues where Storm is in a situation where she can't use her powers for the time being.(Like Greg Pak did).
-After that write another issue 4-6 about Storm's Goddess powers.
-Issues 7-12 Storm goes on adventures with Wolverine, Thor and Forge and drop nuggets about Storm's Bloodline or whatever about Oshtur.
IMO, a writer should be able to take those tastes from Fans that they enjoyed and create a good long standing Story. After that have Storm go around the Marvel Universe teaming up with Heroes you would never see Storm with: Daredevil, Elektra, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, Blue Marvel, Ironman, Namor, Hercules, Champions, Spider-Man ETC ETC.
Every Storm fan can agree that we want a Storm Solo to be interesting and captivating. The reason why some Storm fans do not agree with you when it comes to Coates is because he's boring. I'm sorry, but he is *shrugging* like it or not that's Coates writing style. He made 1 good character development by turning Storm into a Goddess. That's GREAT, but does that make him the BEST Storm writer of all time or on Par with Claremont??? Mmm IMO and a few others No.
We need to wait. The only way we can truly test Coates ability to write a Good Storm is to read his Storm Solo book that he's apparently is doing pretty soon. Until then we got a wait.
That's my Opinion on this.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4931918]Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4931972]I totally feel you! Coates would not be my first choice either.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4932340]Agreed. Coates' BP run was the most boring, unfulfilling run for that character and Wakanda. And Bartel can do great covers, but her interior pages are not that nice.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I had to come back for this! You are my heroes! :cool::cool::cool:[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4931918]Full disclosure...I would buy/read a Storm solo but only if it's NOT written by Coates and NOT drawn by Bartel.[/QUOTE]
I'm with you. While i love Bartel's art i think cute and it's not what i imagine for a Storm book. I would love a copiel or immomen on it. Definitely don't want coates anywhere near it.
Though my dream artist would actually be Bachalo.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4932906][COLOR="#000080"]I had to come back for this! You are my heroes! :cool::cool::cool:[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
LOL You are so petty. I love it.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4932913]I'm with you. While i love Bartel's art i think cute and it's not what i imagine for a Storm book. I would love a copiel or immomen on it. Definitely don't want coates anywhere near it.
Though my dream artist would actually be Bachalo.[/QUOTE]
I don't know...I acknowledge Bachalo's talent is amazing but...it's usually "Bachalo's version of (character)" and not what distinctly sets apart said character from other characters on the page/in panel. Coipel is the perfect example of an artist whose characters are recogniseable for and by their inherent physical traits and I will go on record as saying he's an infinitely better character artist than Bachalo (Than current Bachalo...his early GenX work and prior were visually distinctive).
90s Bachalo was everything but he's nowhere near as good as he used to be. Im not a fan of his Storm to be honest
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4932936]LOL You are so petty. I love it.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I........would not disagree with your acute assessment.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Havok83;4932974]90s Bachalo was everything but he's nowhere near as good as he used to be. Im not a fan of his Storm to be honest[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Has Mike Deodoto drawn her before?[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4932982][COLOR="#000080"]Has Mike Deodoto drawn her before?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Yep
[img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/40/2f/1c/402f1c9b9dd65b26a416c68f9313f319.jpg[/img]
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/b4/9c/15b49cce8839213149376087a1342799.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4f/06/83/4f0683ab65c1da1aa4ada28eebd526bc.jpg[/IMG]
Enh! Not impressed.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4932885]Well, you can't blame them everyone has different taste. Everyone likes Claremont because he essentially molded and created the reason why we all like Storm. I don't know any Storm fans that can say they hated Claremonts Classic Storm. So, as I mentioned before those are just tastes as you can see Storm fans have different tastes on what THEY would like to see. You can't please everyone. HOWEVER, a good writer would be able to mold those specific tastes into a Solo book.
Ex:
-Write 1-3 issues where Storm is in a situation where she can't use her powers for the time being.(Like Greg Pak did).
-After that write another issue 4-6 about Storm's Goddess powers.
-Issues 7-12 Storm goes on adventures with Wolverine, Thor and Forge and drop nuggets about Storm's Bloodline or whatever about Oshtur.
IMO, a writer should be able to take those tastes from Fans that they enjoyed and create a good long standing Story. After that have Storm go around the Marvel Universe teaming up with Heroes you would never see Storm with: Daredevil, Elektra, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, Blue Marvel, Ironman, Namor, Hercules, Champions, Spider-Man ETC ETC.
Every Storm fan can agree that we want a Storm Solo to be interesting and captivating. The reason why some Storm fans do not agree with you when it comes to Coates is because he's boring. I'm sorry, but he is *shrugging* like it or not that's Coates writing style. He made 1 good character development by turning Storm into a Goddess. That's GREAT, but does that make him the BEST Storm writer of all time or on Par with Claremont??? Mmm IMO and a few others No.
We need to wait. The only way we can truly test Coates ability to write a Good Storm is to read his Storm Solo book that he's apparently is doing pretty soon. Until then we got a wait.
That's my Opinion on this.[/QUOTE]
What some find boring others find interesting. But if some of the gurls find seeing storm be a Walmart greeter, who on the side uses her lightning to make crystalline figurines and take orders from kitty exciting and FUN, well enjoy because I'm sure more is to come once Coates stop writing her.
Moreover, if fans find his work boring why continue reading it? But the same ones talking about how boring it is are the same ones I'm sure running to see the issues she is featured in. Doesn't make any sense to me.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4932974]90s Bachalo was everything but he's nowhere near as good as he used to be. Im not a fan of his Storm to be honest[/QUOTE]
For the most part I agree. I loved his stuff circa Generation X/NeXt, but his modern stuff pales. I will say that I loved that Storm and Gambit Curse of the Vampire story though. He had some really nice action scenes and layouts that very very creative and effective in that story, but yeah, overall his modern stuff kinda sucks.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4932996]Yep
[img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/40/2f/1c/402f1c9b9dd65b26a416c68f9313f319.jpg[/img]
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/b4/9c/15b49cce8839213149376087a1342799.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4f/06/83/4f0683ab65c1da1aa4ada28eebd526bc.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I'm not really a fan of his work.
Various splash pages of Storm:
Ken Steacy (Marvel Fanfare #23, November 1985):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kUW1hNF.jpg[/img]
Bret Blevins (Marvel Fanfare #37, April 1988):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IeWjVva.jpg[/img]
Craig Hamilton (Marvel Fanfare #40, October 1988):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/0pLZAlR.jpg[/img]
Barry Windsor-Smith (Marvel Fanfare #45, August 1989):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/iDatk80.jpg[/img]
Jim Lee (Marvel Illustrated: Swimsuit Issue #1, January 1991):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/8agFH0ir.jpg[/img]
Andrew Wildman (Marvel Swimsuit Special #2, January 1993):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/mCQpuIa.jpg[/img]
Joe Jusko (The Marvel Masterpieces Collection #3, July 1993):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/qgAYKFU.jpg[/img]
Mike Kaluta (The Marvel Masterpieces 2 Collection #2, August 1994):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/GJPYngo.jpg[/img]
Terry Dodson (Storm #1, February 1996):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/b0vxjaM.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Electricmastro;4933187]Various splash pages of Storm:
Ken Steacy (Marvel Fanfare #23, November 1985):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/kUW1hNF.jpg[/img]
Bret Blevins (Marvel Fanfare #37, April 1988):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/IeWjVva.jpg[/img]
Craig Hamilton (Marvel Fanfare #40, October 1988):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/0pLZAlR.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
thanks love for sharing all the photos. never seen this last one nor the middle from the last three you posted!! I love it!!