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Defeated the Adversary whom is an eternal Construct .
Inspired all of Wakanda after years of hardship with her WindRider status because even in Wakanda they believe she is a true Goddess and through such faith she went super syain on every one.
And single Handley wipe out an entire Armada of motherships in space while having plant life around her spontaneously flourish at her work.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4934332]Yea but those book were C Lister and few B listers .
I'm talking The Ladies of Marvel[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Who would you consider? These are all the top ladies.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4934671]1. I know that's why I asked you.
2. Well that's actually debatable. But moving on. The "Priestess of Krakoa" is more like a fan name since she is always there when Mutants wake up. Now that's fine if you believe that to be boring. While there are Fans that actually like it. You are not trying to convince me or anyone. what do you mean? Your just saying your opinion.
3. Well, it's like I said. The man has only done 1 good thing for Storm. It's just unfortunate that his writing style is boring. And the reason why fans just can't stand him or get behind him. We just need to wait till he writes Storm's Solo then we can really see what he can do.
4. True, he doesn't have to but he literally recreated the Wakandan Pantheon and included Storm in it. I think that requires a little bit more of an explanation is called for. Yes, we know it's a book centered around T'Challa. Just like how we are always reminded that Storm can't do everything in a Team Book. It's not all about Storm. However, as you said soon we will get an explanation of her Godhead in Storm's Solo since he wants to do it. But, we shall see. These are just Opinions of Fans. Some find it boring some don't. Some like Coates some don't.
We, shall see. Right now the only thing to look forward to is GS: Storm. That's all I got to say on the matter.[/QUOTE]
1. gotcha boo!!
2. Exactly! Storm has never been officially given any such title. It's just fans reaching to make her more relevant to the island of Krakoa than she actually is. She doesn't have any substantive impact to the franchise, at least not yet. Yes Ororo is valued because she is an omega and on the council but when you dig deeper she still truly is mostly background. What path is she herself forging for mutants and humankind? Shes taking orders in the book she is featured in and bottom line she ain't doing anything, definitely not anything as exciting you are trying to convey that she is.
3. That's simply false. He hasnt done 1 good thing for her. Let's take a quick trip back in time before Coates put her in BP&C. When Coates introduced her, she was licking her wounds from the fallout of Ivx. She was a pathetic and unmotivated relinquishing her leadership and authority of all mutantkind to Kitty. Coates, conversely showed her as confident and capable. He extended her connection and ties not only to humanity but African Americans showing her engaging the community of harlem to fight oppression during and after her in the outback. As time progressed, she returns to Wakanda where she is told some still see her as queen. In parallel, we see her experience a love highlighted in a non-toxic fashion. So there was quite more going on with the character aside from being just a goddess.
4. I agree with you here. I also hope we get answers soon and I hope her giant size issue delivers.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4935172]Defeated the Adversary whom is an eternal Construct .
Inspired all of Wakanda after years of hardship with her WindRider status because even in Wakanda they believe she is a true Goddess and through such faith she went super syain on every one.
And single Handley wipe out an entire Armada of motherships in space while having plant life around her spontaneously flourish at her work.[/QUOTE]
yes!! if we are talking solely feats coateshas knocked it out the part versus anything we have seen in the xbooks as these three things you've highlighted completely eviscerates anything they've done for her in the modern era imho.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4935284][COLOR="#000080"]Who would you consider? These are all the top ladies.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
JeanGrey
Storm
Invisible Women
SheHulk
CpatinMarvel
BlackWidow
..............................
Wasp
ScarletWitch
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4935348]JeanGrey
Storm
Invisible Women
SheHulk
CpatinMarvel
BlackWidow
..............................
Wasp
ScarletWitch[/QUOTE]
I'd say the films are a good indicator of who's a primary brand asset.
Jean Grey
Storm
Rogue
Mystique
Invisible Woman
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Gamora
Wasp
Captain Marvel
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4935348]JeanGrey
Storm
Invisible Women
SheHulk
CpatinMarvel
BlackWidow
..............................
Wasp
ScarletWitch[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]All of those ladies you mention are on A-Force with the exception of Black widow.
And Storm and She-Hulk were on Fearless Defenders.
I think they need to break these teams into different categories.
In the current Captain America, Coates(bless his heart) has a team of all-female heroes called the Daughters of Liberty. They're pretty much a secret black ops/espionage team that's been around for decades. I think a book like that can maybe do a 5-6 issue mini.
Plenty of female mutants could fit on a team like that.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4935319]1. gotcha boo!!
2. Exactly! Storm has never been officially given any such title. It's just fans reaching to make her more relevant to the island of Krakoa than she actually is. She doesn't have any substantive impact to the franchise, at least not yet. Yes Ororo is valued because she is an omega and on the council but when you dig deeper she still truly is mostly background. What path is she herself forging for mutants and humankind? Shes taking orders in the book she is featured in and bottom line she ain't doing anything, definitely not anything as exciting you are trying to convey that she is.
3. That's simply false. He hasnt done 1 good thing for her. Let's take a quick trip back in time before Coates put her in BP&C. When Coates introduced her, she was licking her wounds from the fallout of Ivx. She was a pathetic and unmotivated relinquishing her leadership and authority of all mutantkind to Kitty. Coates, conversely showed her as confident and capable. He extended her connection and ties not only to humanity but African Americans showing her engaging the community of harlem to fight oppression during and after her in the outback. As time progressed, she returns to Wakanda where she is told some still see her as queen. In parallel, we see her experience a love highlighted in a non-toxic fashion. So there was quite more going on with the character aside from being just a goddess.
4. I agree with you here. I also hope we get answers soon and I hope her giant size issue delivers.[/QUOTE]
2. Maybe not to your standards no. But her character being utilized as such in the New Era of X-Men is still good.
3. It's not false. He's made 1 development. In BP&C Storm wasn't the center of the book. It was a Team Book. And unfortunately in that Team Book Coates destroyed all credit we had of Storm being immune to Lightning. If it wasn't for Writer: Nnedi Okorafor picking up the slack for Coates minior mistake. We would never get another good representation of Storm resisting or being immune again. Storm did not get her confidence back until X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men(2019). She even led a Team in that Book. Coates had no part to play in her confidence coming back. If any it was coming off the backs of X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men(2019). That's where you really see Storm starting to step up. Now, her coming back to Wakanda is the start of her 1 development of her character going forward. And that's becoming a God. She tells us that she forgot what it felt like and not sure if she embraces it or not. That is what you call Character Development.
[QUOTE=Saturius;4934778][b]Count me as another who isn't impressed with DOX Storm. She still isn't doing anything. Though to be fair I dropped Marauders around issue 4 or 5, so if she has gotten better in the main book she is featured in, I wouldn't know, but I doubt it. Once again, it still feels like Storm is treading water. At this point GSX Storm is the make or break it point for the character since Hickman said that should spearhead and define the character's role for the foreseeable future.[/b]
I haven't been reading Coates. I am not a fan of BP. I read a few issues cause the forum said Storm was getting some good development but I still could not force myself to slog through a book/franchise that I don't care about. It's too bad that focus isn't happening in the X Books.[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes yes to all the bolded!! And she hasnt much of anything unfortunately in Marauders so you have not missed anything.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4935369][COLOR="#000080"]All of those ladies you mention are on A-Force with the exception of Black widow.
And Storm and She-Hulk were on Fearless Defenders.
I think they need to break these teams into different categories.
In the current Captain America, Coates(bless his heart) has a team of all-female heroes called the Daughters of Liberty. They're pretty much a secret black ops/espionage team that's been around for decades. I think a book like that can maybe do a 5-6 issue mini.
Plenty of female mutants could fit on a team like that.
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Yeah so far we have: Fearless Defenders, Daughters of Liberty, A-Force.
A-Force Should be a team like the Avengers. They handle the big stuff.
Leader: She-Hulk
Storm
Invisible Woman
Captain Marvel
Jean
Medusa
Specturm
Fearless Defenders should be like a Mystic Arts or Magic team.
Leader: Scarlet Witch
Magik
Clea
Satana
Nico Minoru
Pixie
Daughters of Liberty is we know is a Black Ops Team.
Leader: Black Widow
Misty Knight
White Tiger
Kitty Pryde
Hawkeye
Shuri
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4935449]Yeah so far we have: Fearless Defenders, Daughters of Liberty, A-Force.
A-Force Should be a team like the Avengers. They handle the big stuff.
Leader: She-Hulk
Storm
Invisible Woman
Captain Marvel
Jean
Medusa
Specturm
Fearless Defenders should be like a Mystic Arts or Magic team.
Leader: Scarlet Witch
Magik
Clea
Satana
Nico Minoru
Pixie
Daughters of Liberty is we know is a Black Ops Team.
Leader: Black Widow
Misty Knight
White Tiger
Kitty Pryde
Hawkeye
Shuri[/QUOTE]
Movie trilogy if I EVER saw one. Take my money!
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4935449]Yeah so far we have: Fearless Defenders, Daughters of Liberty, A-Force.
A-Force Should be a team like the Avengers. They handle the big stuff.
Leader: She-Hulk
Storm
Invisible Woman
Captain Marvel
Jean
Medusa
Specturm
Fearless Defenders should be like a Mystic Arts or Magic team.
Leader: Scarlet Witch
Magik
Clea
Satana
Nico Minoru
Pixie
Daughters of Liberty is we know is a Black Ops Team.
Leader: Black Widow
Misty Knight
White Tiger
Kitty Pryde
Hawkeye
Shuri[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]This is a good lineup for each of the teams! :cool:
If they don't do a comic, maybe they can do some kind of animated show on Disney+
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4935466][COLOR="#000080"]This is a good lineup for each of the teams! :cool:
If they don't do a comic, maybe they can do some kind of animated show on Disney+
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;4935460]Movie trilogy if I EVER saw one. Take my money![/QUOTE]
HAHA Thanks Guys.
My decisions were based by what makes sense. And what fits the Team Name.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4935435]2. Maybe not to your standards no. But her character being utilized as such in the New Era of X-Men is still good.
3. It's not false. He's made 1 development. In BP&C Storm wasn't the center of the book. It was a Team Book. And unfortunately in that Team Book Coates destroyed all credit we had of Storm being immune to Lightning. If it wasn't for Writer: Nnedi Okorafor picking up the slack for Coates minior mistake. We would never get another good representation of Storm resisting or being immune again. Storm did not get her confidence back until X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men(2019). She even led a Team in that Book. Coates had no part to play in her confidence coming back. If any it was coming off the backs of X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men(2019). That's where you really see Storm starting to step up. Now, her coming back to Wakanda is the start of her 1 development of her character going forward. And that's becoming a God. She tells us that she forgot what it felt like and not sure if she embraces it or not. That is what you call Character Development.[/QUOTE]
1. Like I said if you enjoy it have at it.
2. Again if you've read all he has done and conclude she only has one development you havent been following the BP stories. He didnt destroy anything with her being immune to lightning. What book did that occur? Storm got her confidence back way before any of those xwriters wrote her. Coates gave her the missing confidence from xmen gold. Are you serious? Did you miss BP&C and the first and second season of Black Panther. Those books both were well before xmen red and uncanny xmen in 2019. Coates Books spanned from 2017 to 2018. again, I listed 3 other examples of development Coates gave her in terms of her blackness, her deeper ties to humanity, as well as her relationship to both Tchalla/Wakanda. none of which is solely based upon her being a goddess.
[url]https://screenrant.com/marvel-dc-wonder-woman-storm-fight/[/url]
interesting write up I'm sure some wonder woman fans would disagree.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4935488]1. Like I said if you enjoy it have at it.
2. Again if you've read all he has done and conclude she only has one development you havent been following the BP stories. He didnt destroy anything with her being immune to lightning. What book did that occur? Storm got her confidence back way before any of those xwriters wrote her. Coates gave her the missing confidence from xmen gold. Are you serious? Did you miss BP&C and the first and second season of Black Panther. Those books both were well before xmen red and uncanny xmen in 2019. Coates Books spanned from 2017 to 2018. again, I listed 3 other examples of development Coates gave her in terms of her blackness, her deeper ties to humanity, as well as her relationship to both Tchalla/Wakanda. none of which is solely based upon her being a goddess.[/QUOTE]
1. To the Fans that don't have a problem(myself included) we sure will thank you.
2. That's the thing. I have read all he's done and he's made 1 good development to Storm's character. You can't tell me I haven't been reading his boring stories, because I wouldn't have come to the conclusion like many others who agree with me. Yes, he did destroy her immunity to lightning. In fact we had this debate a long time ago with you making excuses for him. And you throwing shade to Gerry Duggan for having Storm getting kicked in the stomach. I've already stated when she got her confidence back and Coates is not responsible for it. Did I read BP&C and Black Panther? Yes, I did. Clearly I did. Yes, i'm very well aware they are before that, but Storm's full confidence didn't come back until X-Men Red and Uncanny. Because when Storm became a Goddess she was still apart of X-Men Gold being all moppy and what not as you described. And it was the same time Stormcaster came back. And you had a fit because Guggenhiem and Coates where battling for who wrote Storm's God Powers better. So it's clear as day when and where Storm fully got her mojo back. Now, you said you listed 3 examples of Development: Deeper Ties To Humanity,Blackness, Relationship to T'Challa. Out of those 3 only 1 is actually Character Development. And that's getting back together with T'Challa. Which is good so now we have 2 things he's done for her. Made her a God and is in a Relationship with BP. Character development is when a character undergoes a change that challenges their status quo being a God and having a relationship to another Hero of Marvel is Development. Having Blackness and deeper ties to Humanity is not character development.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4935527]1. To the Fans that don't have a problem(myself included) we sure will thank you.
2. That's the thing. I have read all he's done and he's made 1 good development to Storm's character. You can't tell me I haven't been reading his boring stories, because I wouldn't have come to the conclusion like many others who agree with me. Yes, he did destroy her immunity to lightning. In fact we had this debate a long time ago with you making excuses for him. And you throwing shade to Gerry Duggan for having Storm getting kicked in the stomach. I've already stated when she got her confidence back and Coates is not responsible for it. Did I read BP&C and Black Panther? Yes, I did. Clearly I did. Yes, i'm very well aware they are before that, but Storm's full confidence didn't come back until X-Men Red and Uncanny. Because when Storm became a Goddess she was still apart of X-Men Gold being all moppy and what not as you described. And it was the same time Stormcaster came back. And you had a fit because Guggenhiem and Coates where battling for who wrote Storm's God Powers better. So it's clear as day when and where Storm fully got her mojo back. Now, you said you listed 3 examples of Development: Deeper Ties To Humanity,Blackness, Relationship to T'Challa. Out of those 3 only 1 is actually Character Development. And that's getting back together with T'Challa. Which is good so now we have 2 things he's done for her. Made her a God and is in a Relationship with BP. Character development is when a character undergoes a change that challenges their status quo being a God and having a relationship to another Hero of Marvel is Development. Having Blackness and deeper ties to Humanity is not character development.[/QUOTE]
1. **thumbs up**
2. When did Coates do away with her immunity to lightning? I know Taylor tried it and failed. I cant recall one single issue where storm was shot with lightning from the sky and was hurt. so please post the scans.
3. If coates was the first writer to show her exhibit confidence how is he bot responsible for it? how do later writers get credit for something he did first? Guggs and Coates were writing two different women AND because another writer chose to write her as incompetent, powerless, and without conviction does that invalidate he wrote her FULLY and WHOLLY confident first.
4 . Giving her a deeper connection to her blackness and humanity is very much so development. One, many black people criticized how a black superhero as prominent as her done very little if anything to commune with people who looked like her. Therefore that is a huge development because now haters cant say such foolishness. In terms of her humanity this gives her more stock outside the xmen. People always complain she usnt via as a solo character because she doesnt have much interaction outside the xmen. Coates blew that argument away as well. That said I'm glad you've finally admitted hes done more than just make her a god.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4935560]1. **thumbs up**
2. When did Coates do away with her immunity to lightning? I know Taylor tried it and failed. I cant recall one single issue where storm was shot with lightning from the sky and was hurt. so please post the scans.
3. If coates was the first writer to show her exhibit confidence how is he bot responsible for it? how do later writers get credit for something he did first? Guggs and Coates were writing two different women AND because another writer chose to write her as incompetent, powerless, and without conviction does that invalidate he wrote her FULLY and WHOLLY confident first.
4 . Giving her a deeper connection to her blackness and humanity is very much so development. One, many black people criticized how a black superhero as prominent as her done very little if anything to commune with people who looked like her. Therefore that is a huge development because now haters cant say such foolishness. In terms of her humanity this gives her more stock outside the xmen. People always complain she usnt via as a solo character because she doesnt have much interaction outside the xmen. Coates blew that argument away as well. That said I'm glad you've finally admitted hes done more than just make her a god.[/QUOTE]
2. I thought you read BP&C?
3. This was a Team Book. Storm merely operated exactly like she would in the X-Men. In fact during that time X-Men Gold was going on right? So, let's compare them. In BP&C she's what Following Black Panther's orders. And in X-Men Gold she is following Kitty's orders. as And then slowly she started changing and gaining herself back. Like when she convinced OML to stay with the Team. Or when she had that inhibitor color on and overcame her fear. Or when she was on the Desert Planet in the Negative Zone she gain the courage to fight and then user her powers after the dumb pep talk from OML. OR when she gain the confidence towards the end of X-Men Gold after she beat the Hell out of Uovu. And argument really be made that it was X-Men Gold's terrible book that she slowly getting her Mojo back. And then X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men shows Storm back in action.
4. It's not development. It doesn't change her status quo. Not many Black People even read comic books so i'm not sure why they would say that. Therefore it's still not development. Fans complain because we are not getting Stories that are interesting and compelling to the character as a whole. If Coates "blew that argument away" as you said we would not be having this conversation and some fans of Storm and fans of Black Panther wouldn't be talking crap about him and his writing. I don't mind admitting. I mean he's done only 2 things that's hardly anything to rave about. Because only 1 of them is really interesting and that's the Godhead.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4935596]2. I thought you read BP&C?
3. This was a Team Book. Storm merely operated exactly like she would in the X-Men. In fact during that time X-Men Gold was going on right? So, let's compare them. In BP&C she's what Following Black Panther's orders. And in X-Men Gold she is following Kitty's orders. as And then slowly she started changing and gaining herself back. Like when she convinced OML to stay with the Team. Or when she had that inhibitor color on and overcame her fear. Or when she was on the Desert Planet in the Negative Zone she gain the courage to fight and then user her powers after the dumb pep talk from OML. OR when she gain the confidence towards the end of X-Men Gold after she beat the Hell out of Uovu. And argument really be made that it was X-Men Gold's terrible book that she slowly getting her Mojo back. And then X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men shows Storm back in action.
4. It's not development. It doesn't change her status quo. Not many Black People even read comic books so i'm not sure why they would say that. Therefore it's still not development. Fans complain because we are not getting Stories that are interesting and compelling to the character as a whole. If Coates "blew that argument away" as you said we would not be having this conversation and some fans of Storm and fans of Black Panther wouldn't be talking crap about him and his writing. I don't mind admitting. I mean he's done only 2 things that's hardly anything to rave about. Because only 1 of them is really interesting and that's the Godhead.[/QUOTE]
1. I have. And she was NOT hit with lightning by the police bots.
2. The entire premise of Gold was built upon her not having confidence. There was maybe one cute moment in Gold when she broke free from the inhibitor collar but aside from that she was abysmally handled. I guess it's one of the things we can disagree on but gold did her zero favors.
3. Her being a goddess hasnt changed the status quo for her as it has mostly been ignored. So based upon your definition of development then her being a goddess would mean it's not a development.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4935369][COLOR="#000080"]All of those ladies you mention are on A-Force with the exception of Black widow.
And Storm and She-Hulk were on Fearless Defenders.
I think they need to break these teams into different categories.
In the current Captain America, Coates(bless his heart) has a team of all-female heroes called the Daughters of Liberty. They're pretty much a secret black ops/espionage team that's been around for decades. I think a book like that can maybe do a 5-6 issue mini.
Plenty of female mutants could fit on a team like that.
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I read AForce and none of those women were real cast members due to the fact they were jamming all the c Lister into panel and story .
I'm talking a strict team of said women I listed.
I find it strange the Hulk ironman captin America Thor Wolverine Spiderman seem to make it on a team with each other regularly but these particular women cant
Storm by Guile Sharp
[url]https://br.pinterest.com/pin/759912137107712731/?nic_v1=1byNZTL8dQc9mNYvHdvkwgbGIYRC9YaR8NNWA2aekyvzPTwAqH6RqZCdcxHBOBFm5a[/url]
Can we all agree it would look better with a red underside now?
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4935899]I read AForce and none of those women were real cast members due to the fact they were jamming all the c Lister into panel and story .
I'm talking a strict team of said women I listed.
I find it strange the Hulk ironman captin America Thor Wolverine Spiderman seem to make it on a team with each other regularly but these particular women cant[/QUOTE]
Because it' s still a white male dominated industry.
Every time someone tries a team without them or a certain type of version with one of them -you see the GREATEST gymnastic routine to NOT support it.
Remember Mighty Avengers? Marvel put a top artist in Greg Land on it and suddenly all his FLAWS in drawing were used as an excuse to not buy it. Flaws that were over looked when he was drawing guys like Cyclops, Logan and X-Men yet an issue when he was doing Luke Cage, Monica, Falcon and Victor Alvarez.
Yet because they are women-we would see excuse to not support and ESPECIALLY not stock those books in stores. Yet based on POWERS alone-you can justify them being on a team. If they were written like they are suppose to be.
Don't tell me if I put together a team of Storm, Flint (inhumans), Falcon, Antman, Vixen, Static & Jason Rusch-they can't take over the world?
I have controllers of wind/weather, earth, birds, insects, all animals, an element/structure changer and if you took all versions of Static-the black love child of Magneto & Shocker. A story we will never see.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4935492][url]https://screenrant.com/marvel-dc-wonder-woman-storm-fight/[/url]
interesting write up I'm sure some wonder woman fans would disagree.[/QUOTE]
I just didn't like the fight. There was no reason for Diana to pick up the hammer (could have happened later) and Storm's win could have been more creative.
[QUOTE=Rosa Snarks;4935959]Storm by Guile Sharp
[url]https://br.pinterest.com/pin/759912137107712731/?nic_v1=1byNZTL8dQc9mNYvHdvkwgbGIYRC9YaR8NNWA2aekyvzPTwAqH6RqZCdcxHBOBFm5a[/url]
Can we all agree it would look better with a red underside now?[/QUOTE]
Umm, not really. She looks like a vampire.
[QUOTE=Rosa Snarks;4935959]Storm by Guile Sharp
[url]https://br.pinterest.com/pin/759912137107712731/?nic_v1=1byNZTL8dQc9mNYvHdvkwgbGIYRC9YaR8NNWA2aekyvzPTwAqH6RqZCdcxHBOBFm5a[/url]
Can we all agree it would look better with a red underside now?[/QUOTE]
that's cute!
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4936146]I just didn't like the fight. There was no reason for Diana to pick up the hammer (could have happened later) and Storm's win could have been more creative.[/QUOTE]
what other ways do you think she could have used to take diana out?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4935716]1. I have. And she was NOT hit with lightning by the police bots.
2. The entire premise of Gold was built upon her not having confidence. There was maybe one cute moment in Gold when she broke free from the inhibitor collar but aside from that she was abysmally handled. I guess it's one of the things we can disagree on but gold did her zero favors.
3. Her being a goddess hasnt changed the status quo for her as it has mostly been ignored. So based upon your definition of development then her being a goddess would mean it's not a development.[/QUOTE]
1. She was. 1st issue towards the End of the issue. Presented Below:
And Yes. Screaming "AHHH!!!" means your hurt.
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2. That's true. But you can't lie or deny that towards the End of the Book Storm started to get her confidence back. You don't believe because you hate the Book. I do too. But it's the Truth....Unfortunately.
3. Her being a Goddess does change her status quo. She wasn't a real God before. And She's never manipulated Divine Energy Before. Based on my Definition you are Incorrect. As I have explained in the previous response and this one. Her status quo has changed due to Godhead and new Responsibilities.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4936178]1. She was. 1st issue towards the End of the issue. Presented Below:
And Yes. Screaming "AHHH!!!" means your hurt.
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Can Sentinels (or are they RoboCops) produce lightning? When I read the issue, I assumed they hit her with some kind of energy blast.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4936196][QUOTE=stormphoenix;4936178]1. She was. 1st issue towards the End of the issue. Presented Below:
And Yes. Screaming "AHHH!!!" means your hurt.
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Can Sentinels (or are they RoboCops) produce lightning? When I read the issue, I assumed they hit her with some kind of energy blast.[/QUOTE]
They are Robots mixed with Stark Tech and something else.
Can they produce Electricity? I would say yes only because Manifold from what it looks like got hit with something that goes "ZZZAP". I'm no expert, but generally that means you were hit with a electric shock.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4936219][QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4936196]
They are Robots mixed with Stark Tech and something else.
Can they produce Electricity? I would say yes only because Manifold from what it looks like got hit with something that goes "ZZZAP". I'm no expert, but generally that means you were hit with a electric shock.
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I got you. Is Storm "supposed" to be immune to electricity? Honestly, I think that goes back to our conversation about her durability. Some characters who can wield elemental power are immune to that element, whereas others are not. Ororo seems to fit into the category of characters who hasn't been shown, at least consistently, to be immune to the elements she can manipulate.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4936178]1. She was. 1st issue towards the End of the issue. Presented Below:
And Yes. Screaming "AHHH!!!" means your hurt.
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2. That's true. But you can't lie or deny that towards the End of the Book Storm started to get her confidence back. The reason you don't believe it and give no favors is because you hate the Book. I do too. But we can not deny the Truth when it's staring us in the face. No, matter how bad that book was. She got her Mojo back at the end of that Terrible Run.
3. Her being a Goddess does change her status quo. I'm not sure how it doesn't. Also, she wasn't a real God before. She's never harness Divine Energy Before. Based on my Definition you are Incorrect. As I have explained in the previous response and this one. Her status Quo has changed due to her being a God.[/QUOTE]
1. where does it state that the blasts were electrical based? the writer gives zero indication as to if the blast was concussive, neurological, laser, etc. You've concluded that based on your interpretation and opinions which doesnt make it fact.
2. I would disagree she got her confidence back. Hammertime was meant to showcase her limits and highlight her inability to get things done except in the presence of the hammer:
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the hammer in many ways restored the confidence she lost and without it so went her confidence as shown above.
3. you said if it doesnt change the status quo it's not development. her goddess stuff is pretty much contained to the BP books. so based upon your statement her becoming a goddess is not development.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4936196]1. She was. 1st issue towards the End of the issue. Presented Below:
And Yes. Screaming "AHHH!!!" means your hurt.
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Can Sentinels (or are they RoboCops) produce lightning? When I read the issue, I assumed they hit her with some kind of energy blast.[/QUOTE]
yup exactly. she was not hit with lightning so I'm not sure how one can conclude coates removed her immunity to lightning.
In regards of the Wonder Woman vs Storm thing from the 90s kyss mentioned, that overall matchup didn't make much sense. Storm will always be wifey but diana that's a whole different beast like she's basically a god killer and storm is too soft and tender to take a hit from those hands our girl is still human at the end of the day, I can understand the xmen were popular in the 90s and all but maybe it wasn't a good idea to have the fans decide who won and don't get me started on Wolverine vs Lobo cause that matchup was full fan bias on ole fur faces part. I was born in 97 so I didnt witness that era of comics but man looking at that story on Comicsexplained YT channel that whole story seemed like a total fuster cluck. not a fan of the hero vs hero complex either.
[QUOTE=Mekk80s;4936396]In regards of the Wonder Woman vs Storm thing from the 90s kyss mentioned, that overall matchup didn't make much sense. Storm will always be wifey but diana that's a whole different beast like she's basically a god killer and storm is too soft and tender to take a hit from those hands our girl is still human at the end of the day, I can understand the xmen were popular in the 90s and all but maybe it wasn't a good idea to have the fans decide who won and don't get me started on Wolverine vs Lobo cause that matchup was full fan bias on ole fur faces part. I was born in 97 so I didnt witness that era of comics but man looking at that story on Comicsexplained YT channel that whole story seemed like a total fuster cluck. not a fan of the hero vs hero complex either.[/QUOTE]
I know you dont like hero vs hero thing but you dont see any scenario where Ororo could beat Diana?
though I'm inclined to agree ororo cant take any of diana punches and or grabs I do think she has some tricks that would allow for her to take out diana.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4936409]I know you dont like hero vs hero thing but you dont see any scenario where Ororo could beat Diana?
though I'm inclined to agree ororo cant take any of diana punches and or grabs I do think she has some tricks that would allow for her to take out diana.[/QUOTE]
the only way I could see Ro lasting in a serious fight against Diana is to try and keep her distance at far range but beating Diana I cant say she'd be able to. Not to lowball Ororo but WW is waaayy too battle tested and has taken on some major heavies and is in a totally different weight class, Its no disrespect at all but Ro would have to take an L on this one.
[QUOTE=Mekk80s;4936427]the only way I could see Ro lasting in a serious fight against Diana is to try and keep her distance at far range but beating Diana I cant say she'd be able to. Not to lowball Ororo but WW is waaayy too battle tested and has taken on some major heavies and is in a totally different weight class, Its no disrespect at all but Ro would have to take an L on this one.[/QUOTE]
of course I dont think you were trying to lowball her. diana has some amazing feats and I've seen enough of them to know that you make a valid point as it relates to ororos durability. however, a lot of my thoughts were changed when I came across a few scans showing her susceptibility to the weather and specifically lightning:
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I think canonically from dc there are some positions that could be made which could allow a victory for ororo.
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I got you. Is Storm "supposed" to be immune to electricity? Honestly, I think that goes back to our conversation about her durability. Some characters who can wield elemental power are immune to that element, whereas others are not. Ororo seems to fit into the category of characters who hasn't been shown, at least consistently, to be immune to the elements she can manipulate.[/QUOTE]
Storm's Immunity among the Storm Fans is 50/50. Some believe she is and some believe she is HIGHLY Resistant.
In Storm's Solo, she basically told us that Electric Based attacks no longer harms her anymore. IMO I think Storm is extremely resistant, not Immune. But it's very possible that she probably is Immune to such Elements.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4936298]1. where does it state that the blasts were electrical based? the writer gives zero indication as to if the blast was concussive, neurological, laser, etc. You've concluded that based on your interpretation and opinions which doesnt make it fact.
2. I would disagree she got her confidence back. Hammertime was meant to showcase her limits and highlight her inability to get things done except in the presence of the hammer:
the hammer in many ways restored the confidence she lost and without it so went her confidence as shown above.
3. you said if it doesnt change the status quo it's not development. her goddess stuff is pretty much contained to the BP books. so based upon your statement her becoming a goddess is not development.[/QUOTE]
1. That's a good point. However, Based on the fact Manifold was attack by Americops just like Storm was. And was hit with what sounds like a Electric Attack "ZZZAP!!!" The same can be said for Storm when she was attacked. Unless you can prove that the Americops can project other forms of Energy other than Shocking people. Then your argument works. If you can't then Storm and Manifold were Shocked by Americops.
2. You've just made my point as to why towards the End of X-Men Gold Storm starts to get her Mojo back. Either you agree or not it started in X-Men Gold Unfortunately.
3. You are still Incorrect. I'll say it again: [B]"Character development is when a character undergoes a change that challenges their status quo"[/B] that's what I said. Storm becoming an actual Goddess is Character Development. She has undergone a change to her character. Before all this Storm was not referred to as the Hadari Yao. She was not a God. She couldn't Manifest Divine Energy. Until Today. What you was saying is incorrect.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4936149]Umm, not really. She looks like a vampire.[/QUOTE]
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Storm's Immunity among the Storm Fans is 50/50. Some believe she is and some believe she is HIGHLY Resistant.
In Storm's Solo, she basically told us that Electric Based attacks no longer harms her anymore. IMO I think Storm is extremely resistant, not Immune. But it's very possible that she probably is Immune to such Elements.
1. That's a good point. However, Based on the fact Manifold was attack by Americops just like Storm was. And was hit with what sounds like a Electric Attack "ZZZAP!!!" The same can be said for Storm when she was attacked. Unless you can prove that the Americops can project other forms of Energy other than Shocking people. Then your argument works. If you can't then Storm and Manifold were Shocked by Americops.
2. You've just made my point as to why towards the End of X-Men Gold Storm starts to get her Mojo back. Either you agree or not it started in X-Men Gold Unfortunately.
3. You are still Incorrect. I'll say it again: [B]"Character development is when a character undergoes a change that challenges their status quo"[/B] that's what I said. Storm becoming an actual Goddess is Character Development. She has undergone a change to her character. Before all this Storm was not referred to as the Hadari Yao. She was not a God. She couldn't Manifest Divine Energy. Until Today. So, what your saying is wrong and incorrect.[/QUOTE]
1. "zap" doesn't mean there is any electricity involved. the same word has been used to described cyclops optic blast. I'm sure there are many other examples outside of this:
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2. Her mojo was lost in Gold. Her mojo was restored when she started appearing in Black Panther and then later in BP and the Crew. And how does her running to her hammer indicate her mojo is back when she is relying on a crutch to feel powerful and relevant?
3. Her being around more black people does change her status quo because she was not prior to coates.
Her being around humanity as it relates to the struggles of Harlem does change her status quo as she had little to no ties to the city prior to coates. these both are changes to the character. it may not be changes you appreciate or find important (which I disagree with) but they are still developmental changes to her character.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4936526]1. "zap" doesn't mean there is any electricity involved. the same word has been used to described cyclops optic blast. I'm sure there are many other examples outside of this:
2. Her mojo was lost in Gold. Her mojo was restored when she started appearing in Black Panther and then later in BP and the Crew. And how does her running to her hammer indicate her mojo is back when she is relying on a crutch to feel powerful and relevant?
3. Her being around more black people does change her status quo because she was not prior to coates.
Her being around humanity as it relates to the struggles of Harlem does change her status quo as she had little to no ties to the city prior to coates. these both are changes to the character. it may not be changes you appreciate or find important (which I disagree with) but they are still developmental changes to her character.[/QUOTE]
1. Yeah, I'm sure there are many examples. But "ZZZAP" and "FZZZT" are more commonly known as electricity. And there are many examples to this as well.
2. Storm's Confidence, her Mojo was slowly starting to come back in Gold. It was not restored in Black Panther and it was not restored in BP&C. She acted as a Team Member and a supporting Cast for those two books. Storm was also a supporting Cast and Team Member in Gold. Now, to your question as: "running to her hammer indicate her mojo is back when she is relying on a crutch to feel powerful and relevant?". The answer is very simple. She felt powerless it's just like you said in the Events of IVX. Storm wasn't confident in her abilities to lead and gave over Leadership to Kitty. The Hammer signified power. Hence why you just said earlier: "the hammer in many ways restored the confidence she lost and without it so went her confidence as shown above." Then at the End of the Story Storm realizes she doesn't need the hammer anymore. Thus we get into X-Men Red and Uncanny X-Men were Storm is back to herself.
3. Her being around Black People does not change her status quo. Coates did nothing, but used her background of Harlem to put her on a Team with Street Levelers -_- And if i'm not mistaken a lot people were not happy with that.
Again that doesn't change her status quo. This goes back to the definition I just gave. If Coates made Storm the "Hero of Harlem" where she is only stationed in Harlem to protect the People. That is a change of status quo. And then your argument actually works. It's not what I appreciate or what I or you find important. It's the catalyst of why a character is changing from what they used to be. You have a right to disagree, but that doesn't change that fact that your 2 examples of Character Development are not the same.