Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=nj06;4997425]AvX did a lot of characters dirty in terms of their characterization/portrayals; and this is especially so for Storm and T'Challa. Then afterwards Marvel had the Uncanny Avengers/Unity Squad which was a mix of Avengers and X-men/mutants, and neither Storm nor T'Challa were members. The whole concept was jarring to me since Storm and T'Challa would have been perfect for that team.[/QUOTE]
Ororo would have been one of the prime choices for an Avengers Unity Squad but sadly Marvel never really wanted to do anything with Storm in the Avengers besides the initial promotion of her joining the team. I don't think T'Challa would have been a good fit for the team though. As pointed out, after AvX, he had major enmity with both Namor and Ororo, two mutants, and I couldn't see him working alongside Ororo nor do I think she would want to work with him after he so callously annulled their marriage. Although I do understand his point because in my eyes, Ororo joining the Avengers side should have been a given considering T'Challa, Logan, and Hank were on there and she had herself just joined the Avengers and had little sympathy with Scott and his cabal of villains. This is what happens when Marvel gives up on the character and doesn't give a damn about her motivations. She was just wallpaper in the X-Books to them.

[QUOTE=metalclouds;4997531]I hope they don't cast another biracial girl as Storm. We need a brown skinned woman whether dark brown or light brown but definitely not a Beyonce or Halle colored chick. And we need her with BLUE EYES for once smh[/QUOTE]

I mostly agree with this. However, I don't want a light skinned Ororo. She should be dark skinned or medium but definitely not light brown. And YES, blue eyes finally. That is such a distinguishing feature of hers, alongside her white hair, but the films have always ignored that. And none of those ghastly wigs that Halle Berry used to wear.

I've always liked Naomie Harris as an actress and feel she is grossly underrated and would be interested to see her as Ororo. She's already played an elemental goddess as Tia Dalma before in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

I like Gugu Mbatha-Raw a lot as an actress but this is a case where I would say that she is too light skinned for the role.

Is anyone here familiar with Aja Naomi King from How to Get Away With Murder? She is super talented, has worked with the queen Viola Davis herself (and also Kerry Washington), and has the look I could see Ororo with.

love love love ANK . Same with Naomie Harris. I think they'd both have great, different takes on Storm - Naomie in particular I can see giving her a wicked edge too many adaptations miss

I don't think we'll ever see Naomie's Storm though... I feel they'll want to cast younger to maximize franchise potential which is good in that we'll see new blood. But we'll miss out on what more experienced performers could bring to the table. Double edged sword

[QUOTE=whitecrown;4997361]I'd be all for that although in the comic event, I always thought Storm should have joined Wolverine and Beast and joined the Avengers side from the get-go. I thought that was going to happen because her loyalties were with them in Schism and Marvel strangely had her join the Avengers just right before AvX so I naturally assumed it was because she was going to side with the Avengers. Instead, she barely had a role in the event besides getting her marriage annulled.[/QUOTE]

That whole Event was BS.

Storm would have been mutual, but since Marvel had her side with the X-Men honestly I would have expected no less. I don’t want the MCU to do a AVX movie because they are just trying to cause division amongst the fans. Nah, I don’t want it. No AVX

The reason they won't let her leave is because Storm is The Black person on the team. If they were to lose her they have no representation . Which why she will always be an XMAN which is why she will always side with the xmen.

The xbooks have done nothing for the other black
character.
Bishop the second longest running black got villainous.
They just frikin created Gentle and Ide . Prodigy ditch us.
forYA. Low-key has there been a full fledge black on NM.
Heck was full fledge black in Xfactor or Xforce.
Not counting our biracial (no offense)

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4998097]That whole Event was BS.

Storm would have been mutual, but since Marvel had her side with the X-Men honestly I would have expected no less. I don’t want the MCU to do a AVX movie because they are just trying to cause division amongst the fans. Nah, I don’t want it. No AVX[/QUOTE]

I agree with this 100%
Of all the Events to go with, they would choose AvX? Miss me with that shyt. No amount of re-writes and scripting could salvage that monumental rubbish. It wasn't worth the paper on which it was printed...it's not worth the film on which it will be filmed.

If MCU is seriously considering this...then they've already started off on the wrong foot.

If they do go with AvX they'll have to make a lot of tweaks..that was built on years of stories, anything remotely near a faithful adaptation wouldn't work.
Tweaks are what we want though loll and they're the mcu's specialty . What we get is at least gonna be watchable

[QUOTE=houndsofluv;4998248]If they do go with AvX they'll have to make a lot of tweaks..that was built on years of stories, anything remotely near a faithful adaptation wouldn't work. Tweaks are what we want though loll and they're the mcu's specialty . What we get is at least gonna be watchable[/QUOTE]

Most of the films are not faithful adaptations. They take a premise and build a story around that. Look at Civil War which had very little in common with the comic story. You had Cap vs Iron Man for completely different reasons and the movie was actually better than the comic crossover. Same can happen with AvX. Avengers vs X-men is a very simple premise to grasp and there are any number of reasons for why the teams would be opposing each other

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4998231]I agree with this 100%
Of all the Events to go with, they would choose AvX? Miss me with that shyt. No amount of re-writes and scripting could salvage that monumental rubbish. It wasn't worth the paper on which it was printed...it's not worth the film on which it will be filmed.

If MCU is seriously considering this...then they've already started off on the wrong foot.[/QUOTE]

If they really wanted to do a AVX they can incorporate that in the Secret Wars Event. That way they can hit 2 Birds with 1 Stone.

[QUOTE=Havok83;4998254]Most of the films are not faithful adaptations. They take a premise and build a story around that. Look at Civil War which had very little in common with the comic story. You had Cap vs Iron Man for completely different reasons and the movie was actually better than the comic crossover. Same can happen with AvX. Avengers vs X-men is a very simple premise to grasp and there are any number of reasons for why the teams would be opposing each other[/QUOTE]

That is VERY true. But is it really called for???

Like I said to the user above. Put the battle between Avengers and X-Men in Secret Wars.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4998307]If they really wanted to do a AVX they can incorporate that in the Secret Wars Event. That way they can hit 2 Birds with 1 Stone.



That is VERY true. But is it really called for???

Like I said to the user above. Put the battle between Avengers and X-Men in Secret Wars.[/QUOTE]

I think if Secret Wars is ever done it should be a much larger story in scope. Think what we got in IW and Endgame which was fair game to everyone in the MCU. AvX should be a smaller, more intimate story. JMO

The whole impetus for the event was the Phoenix coming to Earth to find a new compatible host. Now, if they just lead with that and create a whole new set of scenarios there after that does not include Stark being an incompetent ass, the X-Men being possessed, Wakanda being flooded, Cyclops killing Xavier, the Avengers being shit-heads...then probably.

If you are going to throw out the majority of plots (and Goddess knows they should) that came after the PF was discovered heading towards Earth then that's not "tweaking" that's re-writing...which quite frankly they should do. That event should never be referenced in any shape or form.

[QUOTE=whitecrown;4997310]The goddess element should not be removed from her backstory. What could be interesting is if maybe a certain sect of Wakandans are revealed to be worshiping Ororo as a goddess and this is what makes T'Challa aware of her existence. They could dive into her magical ancestry and the Atlantean lineage that traces back directly to Adam and Eve, making her a potential rival or contender for the throne until T'Challa and Ororo fall in love with each other and marry to unite the people.[/QUOTE]

Now this I actually like, and it works.

[QUOTE=whitecrown;4997310]The goddess element should not be removed from her backstory. What could be interesting is if maybe a certain sect of Wakandans are revealed to be worshiping Ororo as a goddess and this is what makes T'Challa aware of her existence. They could dive into her magical ancestry and the Atlantean lineage that traces back directly to Adam and Eve, making her a potential rival or contender for the throne until T'Challa and Ororo fall in love with each other and marry to unite the people.[/QUOTE]

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Actually, that sounds like a bad retcon only because T'Challa and Ororo met for the first time in [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Team-Up_Vol_1_100"]Marvel Team-Up #100 (1980)[/URL][/U][/B] and the "Goddess" thing was mentioned in-story.

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Actually, that sounds like a bad retcon only because T'Challa and Ororo met for the first time in [B][U][URL="https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Team-Up_Vol_1_100"]Marvel Team-Up #100 (1980)[/URL][/U][/B] and the "Goddess" thing was mentioned in-story.[/QUOTE]

I meant as a backstory for Storm when she's introduced into the MCU, not as a retcon for her comic 616-universe backstory. Her comic backstory is perfect and should not be altered in any shape or form. I hope we get something with the same depth in the movies and not just the street urchin part like in X-Men: Apocalypse.

[QUOTE=whitecrown;4999095]I meant as a backstory for Storm when she's introduced into the MCU, not as a retcon for her comic 616-universe backstory. Her comic backstory is perfect and should not be altered in any shape or form. I hope we get something with the same depth in the movies and not just the street urchin part like in X-Men: Apocalypse.[/QUOTE]

Ah, a thousand pardons I misunderstood... I never put the MCU and Earth-616 in the same thought process.

[QUOTE=Micabe;4999361]Ah, a thousand pardons I misunderstood... I never put the MCU and Earth-616 in the same thought process.[/QUOTE]

That's all right, the discussion has been going on for a few pages so the one post taken out of context would likely sound like I was talking about retconning her 616 universe past and that's a total no-no lol.

Her back-story in-comic is indeed perfect, there is no need to change or tweak anything (that's why the FoX-Men was such a rabid clusterfek of bile and shittery...they couldn't, nor did they have the skill to, bring those stories to life.)
What they need to do is find competent writers who can transcribe the essence of that story, and of the stories of all the X-Men they intend to introduce, from page to film.

Although, if they truly intend on giving us hero vs hero crap there may not be time and room to give each character their due focus...which is a shame. After FoX-Men, I think we really need to re-introduce these characters properly and definitively.
Their first movie should be a cinematic retelling of Claremont's ANAD GSX-Men story with the cliff-hanger being the mutants' first interaction with the Avengers, ...leading into the second film...with the ultimate "showdown" in the third (if they absolutely insist).

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4999838]Her back-story in-comic is indeed perfect, there is need to change or tweak anything (that's why the FoX-Men was such a rabid clusterfek of bile and shittery...they couldn't, nor did they have the skill to, bring those stories to life.)
What they need to do is find competent writers who can transcribe the essence of that story, and of the stories of all the X-Men they intend to introduce, from page to film.

Although, if they truly intend on giving us hero vs hero crap there may not be time and room to give each character their due focus...which is a shame. After FoX-Men, I think we really need to re-introduce these characters properly and definitively.
Their first movie should be a cinematic retelling of Claremont's ANAD GSX-Men story with the cliff-hanger being the mutants' first interaction with the Avengers, ...leading into the second film...with the ultimate "showdown" in the third (if they absolutely insist).[/QUOTE]

What's worse is that FoX-Men didn't even care about wanting to bring those classic stories to life. I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason that they gave Ororo her street urchin in Cairo backstory was because they needed to quickly tie her in with Apocalypse so it suited their narrative. There's a reason the goddess element was overlooked because it meant nothing to them.

And another thing I hated was how she was constantly referred to as Storm, never Ororo. Like at the end of DOFP, when Logan tells Xavier to find "Scott, Jean, and Storm." It's so odd that he uses all their first names except for Ororo's. Jean had no codename so that can be excused but why use Scott over Cyclops but not use Ororo over Storm? It's like the name Ororo was too ethnic or difficult for them to bother to pronounce and/or they felt that because of their lackluster job in portraying her, nobody would realize who Ororo is. The moment she's impaled in DOFP is supposed to be a tragic moment because a longstanding character has been killed but thanks to FoX-Men, Storm is an afterthought so it's just like "oh that Halle Berry character finally died. Whatever."

My assumption if they ever do an AvX film is that it'll be something they build up to over multiple phases like they did with Thanos and the Infinity Stones, rather than jump to right after introducing the X-Men. I don't think they want to pull a Batman vs Superman fiasco. From the rumors that have been posted in these threads, it seems like they are going with a Giant-Size X-Men type of film as the X-Men's debut with Krakoa as the villain and a team pulled from that era.

My hope would be that they leave Black Panther/Wakanda and Avengers out of it, entirely...to focus solely on the X-Men.
Claremont wrote cinematically...everything is there to transferred to script and film. How could they (Fox) fuck it up so badly.
Hopefully Disney will learn from their egregious mistakes.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5000166]My hope would be that they leave Black Panther/Wakanda and Avengers out of it, entirely...to focus solely on the X-Men.
Claremont wrote cinematically...everything is there to transferred to script and film. How could they (Fox) fuck it up so badly.
Hopefully Disney will learn from their egregious mistakes.[/QUOTE]

Tell me about it. The Dark Phoenix Movie thread popped back up and I forgot how much I hated that movie. Fox really did do an awful job a translate great stories to the cinematic world.

[QUOTE=Stormrocks;5000738]Tell me about it. The Dark Phoenix Movie thread popped back up and I forgot how much I hated that movie. Fox really did do an awful job a translate great stories to the cinematic world.[/QUOTE]

And to think that when the Disney buyout of Fox was first reported here, there was an intense fan division between those who wanted the X-Men to join the MCU versus the FoX-Men (or FauX-Men as I like to call them) loyalists. It's not a surprise that I don't remember any Storm fans who wanted the X-Men to stay with Fox.

[QUOTE=whitecrown;4997622]I mostly agree with this. However, I don't want a light skinned Ororo. She should be dark skinned or medium but definitely not light brown. And YES, blue eyes finally. That is such a distinguishing feature of hers, alongside her white hair, but the films have always ignored that. And none of those ghastly wigs that Halle Berry used to wear.

I've always liked Naomie Harris as an actress and feel she is grossly underrated and would be interested to see her as Ororo. She's already played an elemental goddess as Tia Dalma before in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

I like Gugu Mbatha-Raw a lot as an actress but this is a case where I would say that she is too light skinned for the role.

Is anyone here familiar with Aja Naomi King from How to Get Away With Murder? She is super talented, has worked with the queen Viola Davis herself (and also Kerry Washington), and has the look I could see Ororo with.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I don't mind dark skinned but I think Storm should be a brown skinned woman like Janet, Jada, or Aaliyah. Darkest i'd like is Kelly Rowland or Naomi Campbell but no darker. I've always wondered if hollywood would have an issue with a black woman having blue eyes which is why they have yet to get Storm blue eyes. I don't appreciate it.

[QUOTE=metalclouds;5000928]I agree. I don't mind dark skinned but I think Storm should be a brown skinned woman like Janet, Jada, or Aaliyah. Darkest i'd like is Kelly Rowland or Naomi Campbell but no darker. I've always wondered if hollywood would have an issue with a black woman having blue eyes which is why they have yet to get Storm blue eyes. I don't appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that. As much as I love Zoe Kravitz, she would be way too light-skinned for this role. I'm not sure why Hollywood would have issues with black woman having blue eyes but I suppose they do get weird about certain things. In this case it would be contacts anyway most likely so I'm not sure why that would rub people the wrong way.

I hope all this talk of a solo movie materializes into one:

[url]https://screenrant.com/xmen-marvel-solo-movies-before-mcu-teamup/[/url]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5003157]I hope all this talk of a solo movie materializes into one:

[url]https://screenrant.com/xmen-marvel-solo-movies-before-mcu-teamup/[/url][/QUOTE]

Storm, having to deal with Shadow king would honestly be best concept to go with.
With all his telepathic attacks,we can get cool back story and scene that one just may not have time for.
Their duality of Goddess and Devil/Demon.
I would hope for another set of villians, (something for her to punch.) Maybe 'Aim' or something like that.
Also maybe show off her skills a master theift , taking something or someone from 'Aim'..

Strangely I feel if she would get a Solo movie I feel it would have the Greg Pak vibe

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5003157]I hope all this talk of a solo movie materializes into one:

[url]https://screenrant.com/xmen-marvel-solo-movies-before-mcu-teamup/[/url][/QUOTE]

I hate this f*****g article describing Ororo as a "so called Omega" the writer is a troll. Anyway i have been daydreaming about a Storm solo movie since i was a child i hope it happens

If Black Panther can get one after appearing in Civil War, Storm can get one after appearing in Black Panther. I hope T'Challa fans are ready to root for Ororo's solo film and support her since I know they have often been jealous of her.

[QUOTE=whitecrown;5003628]If Black Panther can get one after appearing in Civil War, Storm can get one after appearing in Black Panther. I hope T'Challa fans are ready to root for Ororo's solo film and support her since I know they have often been jealous of her.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's true at all considering how Black Panther has had more solo material out than Storm for a long time. Even if he didn't light up the charts he still had his own world. But it goes without saying that black women and especially black female comic fans showed up for Black Panther and as a T'Challa fan it was nice to see support for the character especially when we know there were others who wanted it to fail. Now part of that may have just been hoping Storm appeared later (lol) but the black solidarity behind T'Challa should also be there for Storm. She has the most breakout potential of the X-Men and adds a whole new layer to the mutant narrative if done correctly. Give her a trilogy with Shadow King, the Savage Land, and the Brood and I'm set.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5003642]I don't think that's true at all considering how Black Panther has had more solo material out than Storm for a long time. Even if he didn't light up the charts he still had his own world. But it goes without saying that black women and especially black female comic fans showed up for Black Panther and as a T'Challa fan it was nice to see support for the character especially when we know there were others who wanted it to fail. Now part of that may have just been hoping Storm appeared later (lol) but the black solidarity behind T'Challa should also be there for Storm. She has the most breakout potential of the X-Men and adds a whole new layer to the mutant narrative if done correctly. Give her a trilogy with Shadow King, the Savage Land, and the Brood and I'm set.[/QUOTE]
Characters like Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy got their own films and even if Ant-Man was a solo hero and had his own world and supporting cast, he's not really that popular in the comics. So if these properties can get their own films, I can't see why a major character like Storm couldn't, especially tied into Black Panther. People have been asking for Shuri spinoff films so if Captain America: Civil War was basically both a Captain America and Iron Man film, a Storm film could be a Storm AND Black Panther film if they are really that worried that Storm alone will not sell. We are finally getting female solo films and it would be groundbreaking to have a black female solo film (you know, that isn't Catwoman. It's almost hard to feel bad for Halle Berry when you consider the superhero roles she's picked). I know some T'Challa fans were resentful of Storm and claimed their character was better off without her and that she has never done anything good for him so I hope they do not bring this mentality in the MCU when she appears. I very much want to see Storm's origin in flashbacks in the first film and a young Ororo meeting a young T'Challa like in the comics.

This tea, though? Piping!
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[QUOTE=whitecrown;5003649]Characters like Ant-Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy got their own films and even if Ant-Man was a solo hero and had his own world and supporting cast, he's not really that popular in the comics. So if these properties can get their own films, I can't see why a major character like Storm couldn't, especially tied into Black Panther. People have been asking for Shuri spinoff films so if Captain America: Civil War was basically both a Captain America and Iron Man film, a Storm film could be a Storm AND Black Panther film if they are really that worried that Storm alone will not sell. We are finally getting female solo films and it would be groundbreaking to have a black female solo film (you know, that isn't Catwoman. It's almost hard to feel bad for Halle Berry when you consider the superhero roles she's picked). I know some T'Challa fans were resentful of Storm and claimed their character was better off without her and that she has never done anything good for him so I hope they do not bring this mentality in the MCU when she appears. I very much want to see Storm's origin in flashbacks in the first film and a young Ororo meeting a young T'Challa like in the comics.[/QUOTE]

Ant-Man has always been pretty pitiful in the comics so no disagreements there. Black Panther on the other hand had over 100 solo issues to his name before his movie dropped so while his relevance pre-MCU is debatable, the extent to which Marvel invested in him and his world isn't. Especially when compared to black characters that have been around for similar stretches of time. Either way I'm one of those who thinks T'Challa is better off without Storm but I'll wholeheartedly support her film (if it were to ever get made), because I like to see strong black characters no matter who their love interest is. If they pair them up I'm fine, if not that's cool too. I don't think she fits into T'Challa's world as well as Nakia but if Coogler and whoever does the Storm trilogy tells a good story, I can't say I'll complain since I think the relationship was decent enough in the comics. If Storm has a breakout appearance in X-Men I don't think she'll need the bump from T'Challa in her own film but it wouldn't hurt in all honesty.

[QUOTE=whitecrown;5003628]If Black Panther can get one after appearing in Civil War, Storm can get one after appearing in Black Panther. I hope T'Challa fans are ready to root for Ororo's solo film and support her since I know they have often been jealous of her.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Tofali;5003359]I hate this f*****g article describing Ororo as a "so called Omega" the writer is a troll. Anyway i have been daydreaming about a Storm solo movie since i was a child i hope it happens[/QUOTE]

We all know why these articles look to downplay her abilities... I cant say I'm surprised.

I hope it happens too beloved.

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Hahahahahahahahahaha!!

With the expectation that MCUStorm would be introduced via a BLACK PANTHER sequel, I hope they swerve and sneak her into Taika Watiti’s THOR:LOVE&THUNDER
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Alex Ross' Storm variant to an untitled upcoming issue.


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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5003948]Alex Ross' Storm variant to an untitled upcoming issue.


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This is perfect!

It really is too much to ask for sapphire blue eyes...sigh.

[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5004083]It really is too much to ask for sapphire blue eyes...sigh.[/QUOTE]

Did you?

.....ask?

The details he put into his other head-shots like Iron Man, Captain America and Torch...they're insane. This is probably the very least detailed of all and he couldn't be bothered to paint her pupils blue.

How do you think her hair is lovingly flowing in the wind? Alex doesn't rendered her blue eyes often since she is usually using her powers; I don't mind their absence here. At least she still looks young. Angel's looks like he is like 45 or 50.

Here, though, if it will make you feel better...

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