Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5253849]That is not what Duggan said. He said he didn't [B]want [/B] to conflict too much with what Coates was doing, which is why he didn't have Storm go punk/mohawk again, as was his intent for her Marauders role. It's professional courtesy since Coates started his story first(or an excuse to sideline Ororo for Emma/Shaw/Kitty), not saying Coates has ultimate authority on the character. And that's from over a year ago. Obviously Vita had no such compulsions.[/QUOTE]

Writers can plan together, not a sherlock mistery

Given the fact that Coates hasn't even finished his story from 2018, I don't think productive collaboration was ever an option. His BP isn't even in alignment with [I]Avengers[/I] where T'Challa has been chairman the entire time while Coates's was lost in space for 2 years....

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5253849]That is not what Duggan said. He said he didn't [B]want [/B] to conflict too much with what Coates was doing, which is why he didn't have Storm go punk/mohawk again, as was his intent for her Marauders début. It's professional courtesy since Coates started his story first(or an excuse to sideline Ororo for Emma/Shaw/Kitty), not saying Coates has ultimate authority on the character. And that's from over a year ago. Obviously Vita had no such compulsions.[/QUOTE]

Duggan did say that Hickman didn’t have full control of Storm due to the fact they didn’t know Coates Gameplan. And that’s what before the Marauders debut. They just didn’t want to step on his toes. Is what he actually said.

Wait a minute. Duggan wanted Storm to go punk/Mohawk again?

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5253853]Given the fact that Coates hasn't even finished his story from 2018, I don't think productive collaboration was ever an option. His BP isn't even in alignment with [I]Avengers[/I] where T'Challa has been chairman the entire time while Coates's was lost in space for 2 years....[/QUOTE]

The issues still have to drop, but it is already finished. Also he has the outline for the run all established even before doing the issues.
It all excuses as the Marauders issue on XOS complete disregard for Coates Black Panther run

[QUOTE=chief12d;5253827]The way Coates writes monthly comics is entirely out of touch with what the current era of X-Men is about. He tends to write 10+ issue arcs with expansive supporting casts that more often than not are several months behind what the rest of the MU is doing. He gets some leeway with his writing of BP and Steve because they (like most prominent Avengers) always exist out of synch with their ensemble appearances due to their solos. His runs are just more insular than normal and make less references to stuff happening outside his books.

But in a time where the X-books are all about synergy and making sure there's a sense of continuity month to month, Coates can't keep up. He'd have Storm in Kenya for half the year struggling to accept her godhead while in Marauders she's liberating Nigerian mutants with not a peep about her struggles. If he gets a Storm solo it'll probably be after Hickman is done with his story and when the X-office gets more lax about continuity.[/QUOTE]

to be fair most solo books tend to not always coincide with what is being told in the main books. storm solo for instance didn't really have any real connection to the main stories going on in the main xmen books at that time and none of the stories referencewhat she was doing in her book. Coates for all that he was doing did make reference to storm doing work as a Krakoan.

I also disagree with Coates not being able to keep up. If given a solo, I believe Coates would sync it to whatever is happening in the main books as required by Hickman. Coates pulling adversary into the BP story and doing a deeper dive in Ororo's time outside the xmen during the outback era demonstrates his ability to tell stories that gel with current and past continuity.

[QUOTE=Saturius;5253859]Wait a minute. Duggan wanted Storm to go punk/Mohawk again?[/QUOTE]

No he made a joke about it. He asked “what does Storm look like 22 issues from now does she have a Mowhawk?”

[QUOTE=baxer;5253863]The issues still have to drop, but it is already finished. Also he has the outline for the run all established even before doing the issues.
It all excuses as the Marauders issue on XOS complete disregard for Coates Black Panther run[/QUOTE]

exactly. his issues not dropping were not his fault. the man did a great job with really expanding and exploring wakandan lore. it doesn't seem he wanted or was even obligated to link his vision of the franchise with what was going on in the main avengers books and readers also have to keep in mind his time in space as experienced by those on earth 616 was quite shorter than the time he actually experienced in galactic Wakanda. I think he was there for like 5 years but he had been gone in 616 Wakanda for like 2 weeks or so.


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In one of the podcasts it made it sound like whatever was happening behind closed scenes the people in the x-office would not have full control of Storm until 2021. People can choose to believe what they want or not but storm was in a book leading, the circumstances were crapped and she was pulled to the BP books. This is the second time this has happened and it always happens when some male prolific black writer somehow wants to attach her to the king of wakanda. Every time they break up she is back to leading x-books though some stints have taken longing than others. Viva la Storm.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5253884]In one of the podcasts it made it sound like whatever was happening behind closed scenes the people in the x-office would not have full control of Storm until 2021. People can choose to believe what they want or not but storm was in a book leading, the circumstances were crapped and she was pulled to the BP books. This is the second time this has happened and it always happens when some male prolific black writer somehow wants to attach her to the king of wakanda. Every time they break up she is back to leading x-books though some stints have taken longing than others. Viva la Storm.[/QUOTE]
You mean when the XBooks are doing absolutely nothing with her , which is why she is always available for a BP writer to request her and actually get her. And than Fans rave over her showing outside the XBooks . Than all of a sudden the XBooks have huge plans for her which never amount to anything. And back to Wakanda she goes cause another black writer sees the importance of BP&Storm and what it actually means to the community.
Build and explore the character and wonder why the XBooks haven't touch on her backstory since clearmont .and are embarrassed that she's doing so well outside the XBooks which is unacceptable to them.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5253894]You mean when the XBooks are doing absolutely nothing with her , which is why she is always available for a BP writer to request her and actually get her. And than Fans rave over her showing outside the XBooks . Than all of a sudden the XBooks have huge plans for her which never amount to anything. And back to Wakanda she goes cause another black writer sees the importance of BP&Storm and what it actually means to the community.
Build and explore the character and wonder why the XBooks haven't touch on her backstory since clearmont .and our embarrassed that she's doing so well outside the XBooks alwhich is unacceptable to them.[/QUOTE]

Xtreme x-men 2003-2004 Storm was suppose to be written in something by claremont Ororo before the Storm released 2005 with her being pulled by the BP office in 2004 with a deal hudlin secured which changed Claremonts plans and pulled her out the x-books. Storm flounders in BP and Xmen after coming off a successful run.

Extraodinary X-men 2016, Storm was leading the x-men again, you may not like the story but i enjoyed it for what it was. Later in 2017 Coates Pulls Storm for his BP run all of a sudden she goes from leading to being back up to kitty. She also had the all Female Xmen and the X-force book before BP team swooped in again. So she was def being used.

So people can keep revising history all the want because it may not have been the Storm they wanted to see but to say she wasn't used is a flat out lie. People were gun shy when whenever they started a run the next BP writer would swoop in and try to use Storm once she was rebuilt again.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5253884]In one of the podcasts it made it sound like whatever was happening behind closed scenes the people in the x-office would not have full control of Storm until 2021. People can choose to believe what they want or not but storm was in a book leading, the circumstances were crapped and she was pulled to the BP books. This is the second time this has happened and it always happens when some male prolific black writer somehow wants to attach her to the king of wakanda. Every time they break up she is back to leading x-books though some stints have taken longing than others. Viva la Storm.[/QUOTE]

I prefer to believe in what I know about comics., that writers collaborate all the itime and it isn't a problem.

The marauders XOS issue really made all the talk about Coates having the character even more as bad excuses. They had a fake sword retconning Wakanda story. X-office doesn't care about Coates and Wakanda at all. They igored his work.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5253894]You mean when the XBooks are doing absolutely nothing with her , which is why she is always available for a BP writer to request her and actually get her. And than Fans rave over her showing outside the XBooks . Than all of a sudden the XBooks have huge plans for her which never amount to anything. And back to Wakanda she goes cause another black writer sees the importance of BP&Storm and what it actually means to the community.
Build and explore the character and wonder why the XBooks haven't touch on her backstory since clearmont .and are embarrassed that she's doing so well outside the XBooks which is unacceptable to them.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much this. They saw that Storm was having more development on BP book and went there to crap on it te first chance they had.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5253868]to be fair most solo books tend to not always coincide with what is being told in the main books. storm solo for instance didn't really have any real connection to the main stories going on in the main xmen books at that time and none of the stories referencewhat she was doing in her book. Coates for all that he was doing did make reference to storm doing work as a Krakoan.

I also disagree with Coates not being able to keep up. If given a solo, I believe Coates would sync it to whatever is happening in the main books as required by Hickman. Coates pulling adversary into the BP story and doing a deeper dive in Ororo's time outside the xmen during the outback era demonstrates his ability to tell stories that gel with current and past continuity.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much all solos don't coincide with what's happening in that character's ensemble appearances, it's just a matter of how stringent the office in question is with continuity. When Storm got her solo the X-Men were noticeably more lax with that than they are now, where plot points are discussed across multiple books and you don't often see characters appearing all that frequently in a single week or so of comics.

Coates has a tendency to take his character on these season-long epics that often isolate them from the greater MU, so he doesn't strike me as they type that's willing to compromise his story to fit in another man's epic. Maybe I'm wrong and he's a continuity savant who can perfectly weave together a Storm solo taking into account her appearances in books like X-Men and Marauders, but his current work doesn't give me much confidence. I wouldn't be surprised if he were playing the long game and waiting until after Hickman's inevitable Fall of X to do his Storm solo.

T'Challa was gone long enough for Shuri to rebuild Wakanda into a 'second golden age'. He was gone long enough for Krakoa to be founded. In-continuity, it must have been several months, at least, not weeks. And since Coates story still isn't finished and he's not chairperson of the Avengers yet, that story is over 30 issues [B]behind[/B] current events.

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5253894]You mean when the XBooks are doing absolutely nothing with her , which is why she is always available for a BP writer to request her and actually get her. And than Fans rave over her showing outside the XBooks . Than all of a sudden the XBooks have huge plans for her which never amount to anything. And back to Wakanda she goes cause another black writer sees the importance of BP&Storm and what it actually means to the community.
Build and explore the character and wonder why the XBooks haven't touch on her backstory since clearmont .and are embarrassed that she's doing so well outside the XBooks which is unacceptable to them.[/QUOTE]

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This this and all of this! I swear I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone sometimes reading some of these posts here but this post with all of this truth and facts brings peace to my heart that someone gets it! Beautiful post my friend!


[QUOTE=baxer;5253903]I prefer to believe in what I know about comics., that writers collaborate all the itime and it isn't a problem.

The marauders XOS issue really made all the talk about Coates having the character even more as bad excuses. They had a fake sword retconning Wakanda story. X-office doesn't care about Coates and Wakanda at all. They igored his work.

Pretty much this. They saw that Storm was having more development on BP book and went there to crap on it te first chance they had.[/QUOTE]

Yes. Coates made her a literal goddess fighting in galactic battles and facing universal threats and the xmen offices give her the title of omega showing her do a few water tricks and needing a lightning sword to be an effective fighter. Oh let's not forget the drunkard woman who us a liar and deceitful. The contrast between Coates and the xmen "bug plans" couldn't be more different.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5253906]Pretty much all solos don't coincide with what's happening in that character's ensemble appearances, it's just a matter of how stringent the office in question is with continuity. When Storm got her solo the X-Men were noticeably more lax with that than they are now, where plot points are discussed across multiple books and you don't often see characters appearing all that frequently in a single week or so of comics.

Coates has a tendency to take his character on these season-long epics that often isolate them from the greater MU, so he doesn't strike me as they type that's willing to compromise his story to fit in another man's epic. Maybe I'm wrong and he's a continuity savant who can perfectly weave together a Storm solo taking into account her appearances in books like X-Men and Marauders, but his current work doesn't give me much confidence. I wouldn't be surprised if he were playing the long game and waiting until after Hickman's inevitable Fall of X to do his Storm solo.[/QUOTE]

we will see. i don't think a storm solo is happening any time in the near future and if it does I dont believe Coates will be authoring it.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5253932]T'Challa was gone long enough for Shuri to rebuild Wakanda into a 'second golden age'. He was gone long enough for Krakoa to be founded. In-continuity, it must have been several months, at least, not weeks. And since Coates story still isn't finished and he's not chairperson of the Avengers yet, that story is over 30 issues [B]behind[/B] current events.[/QUOTE]

T'Challa canonically speaking was gone for a month, 2 at most. Time moved differently in whatever dimension he got sent to. And Shuri didn't do a damn thing, she was too busy deciding if she wanted to be Black Panther in his absence or not lol. Wakanda's a self-sustaining place, they could've easily rebuilt from a brief civil war and a few monster attacks in the few weeks T'Challa was missing.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5253902]Xtreme x-men 2003-2004 Storm was suppose to be written in something by claremont Ororo before the Storm released 2005 with her being pulled by the BP office in 2004 with a deal hudlin secured which changed Claremonts plans and pulled her out the x-books. Storm flounders in BP and Xmen after coming off a successful run.

Extraodinary X-men 2016, Storm was leading the x-men again, you may not like the story but i enjoyed it for what it was. Later in 2017 Coates Pulls Storm for his BP run all of a sudden she goes from leading to being back up to kitty. She also had the all Female Xmen and the X-force book before BP team swooped in again. So she was def being used.

So people can keep revising history all the want because it may not have been the Storm they wanted to see but to say she wasn't used is a flat out lie. People were gun shy when whenever they started a run the next BP writer would swoop in and try to use Storm once she was rebuilt again.[/QUOTE]

Wolverine and Spiderman can be across all franchises without issue but because storm is in BP she can't be used by Claremont? Absolutely not. The xoffices just didn't want what claremont was offering. And let's be honest Xtreme wasn't really that great in comparison to his uncanny run. Also storm was featured in xbooks during hudlin bp/storm era (xmen xenogenesis, astonishing xmen). the bottom of the line what Claremont was wanting to sale didn't gel with the vision the xoffices had for the franchise at that time.

after the schism between Logan and Scott resulting in their two factions of the xmen storm was regulated to a glorified foot soldier. when she led her team that was done under the mandate of cyclops and her time as leader was inconsequential to the real leader who was driving the main stories (cyclops and emma). when she later became headmistress that was only after both kitty and Logan stepped away from that role. she was then shown to be ineffectual against a toxic cloud and so stricken with guilt for going to war against the inhumans she transferred leadership of the xmen to kitty. the xoffices "big plans" for her after her annulled marriage was nothing at all to write home about which is why when Coates began to pen her so many storm fans were happy.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5253932]T'Challa was gone long enough for Shuri to rebuild Wakanda into a 'second golden age'. He was gone long enough for Krakoa to be founded. In-continuity, it must have been several months, at least, not weeks. And since Coates story still isn't finished and he's not chairperson of the Avengers yet, that story is over 30 issues [B]behind[/B] current events.[/QUOTE]

there is nothing canonically that establishes he was gone for months and definitely not years. therefore that would allow for him to have been in space and back in enough time to have gone on the adventures as shown by the avengers books.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5253978]Wolverine and Spiderman can be across all franchises without issue but because storm is in BP she can't be used by Claremont? Absolutely not. The xoffices just didn't want what claremont was offering. And let's be honest Xtreme wasn't really that great in comparison to his uncanny run. Also storm was featured in xbooks during hudlin bp/storm era (xmen xenogenesis, astonishing xmen). the bottom of the line what Claremont was wanting to sale didn't gel with the vision the xoffices had for the franchise at that time.

after the schism between Logan and Scott resulting in their two factions of the xmen storm was regulated to a glorified foot soldier. when she led her team that was done under the mandate of cyclops and her time as leader was inconsequential to the leader who was driving the main stories (cyclops and emma). when she later became headmistress that was only after both kitty and Logan stepped away from that role. she was then shown to be ineffectual against a toxic cloud and so stricken with guilt for going to war against the inhumane have leadership of the xmen to kitty. the xoffices big plans for her after her annulled marriage was nothing at all to write home about which us why when Coates began to pen her so many storm fans were happy.



there is nothing canonically that establishes he was gone for months and definitely not years. therefore that would allow for him to have been in space and back in enough time to have gone on the adventures as shown by the avengers books.[/QUOTE]

Real talk, all this other stuff aside if you don't work a job in PR you surely deserve one. Because you be going to bat.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5253986]Real talk, all this other stuff aside if you don't work a job in PR you surely deserve one. Because you be going to bat.[/QUOTE]

lolol im just stating the facts. I remember the discussions had on this very forum about storm during that time. storm fans were upset it was Logan/Scott and not Ororo/Scott butting heads during schism. I remember storm fans being upset about her being unable to go to war against the inhumans. I remember them also being annoyed with her lack of presence during the era of bendis even when she was a headmistress and don't get me started on stormbot and lightning lass. what major development has she had under the xmen since her annulled marriage? why is anything wirth mentioning mostly from the black panther books? the proof is in the pudding.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5253978]Wolverine and Spiderman can be across all franchises without issue but because storm is in BP she can't be used by Claremont? Absolutely not. The xoffices just didn't want what claremont was offering. And let's be honest Xtreme wasn't really that great in comparison to his uncanny run. Also storm was featured in xbooks during hudlin bp/storm era (xmen xenogenesis, astonishing xmen). the bottom of the line what Claremont was wanting to sale didn't gel with the vision the xoffices had for the franchise at that time.

after the schism between Logan and Scott resulting in their two factions of the xmen storm was regulated to a glorified foot soldier. when she led her team that was done under the mandate of cyclops and her time as leader was inconsequential to the leader who was driving the main stories (cyclops and emma). when she later became headmistress that was only after both kitty and Logan stepped away from that role. she was then shown to be ineffectual against a toxic cloud and so stricken with guilt for going to war against the inhumans she transferred leadership of the xmen to kitty. the xoffices "big plans" for her after her annulled marriage was nothing at all to write home about which is why when Coates began to pen her so many storm fans were happy.



there is nothing canonically that establishes he was gone for months and definitely not years. therefore that would allow for him to have been in space and back in enough time to have gone on the adventures as shown by the avengers books.[/QUOTE]

I don't know why it's hard for people to grasp time in comics is arbitrary and doesn't move as fast as in real life lol. T'Challa left in mid-2018 and like an issue after Shuri's book said he'd been gone for 2 weeks, in the main Black Panther book Nakia says it had been years since T'Challa joined the maroons. T'Challa was gone for roughly a month, shortly after becoming leader of the Avengers and head of the Agents of Wakanda. The Avengers may work together but we can rightfully assume they go days without seeing each other and T'Challa doesn't need to be there in order for them to function, and we know from Shuri's book Tony was aware T'Challa was missing.

The current title is operating under the assumption that T'Challa comes back the same time he left, mid-late 2018. Many months before the announcement of Krakoa and the current DOX. The book that most accurately shows T'Challa's status quo is the Avengers, which is happening concurrently with the X-books. The idea T'Challa was gone for months is baseless and directly contradictory to what was said. Hell, there was a brief panel showing him and a couple other Avengers getting Professor X's mental message announcing Krakoa lol.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5253956]T'Challa canonically speaking was gone for a month, 2 at most. Time moved differently in whatever dimension he got sent to. And Shuri didn't do a damn thing, she was too busy deciding if she wanted to be Black Panther in his absence or not lol. Wakanda's a self-sustaining place, they could've easily rebuilt from a brief civil war and a few monster attacks in the few weeks T'Challa was missing.[/QUOTE]

agreed. that's why I wanted to show the scan from shuri. a couple if weeks had passed on wakanda prime but years has passed on galatic wakanda. the time progression was different.

T'Challa spent five years in the future. They traveled back through a wormhole, but in effect they still were gone from earth at least a few months. He's a changed man.

Shuri #1 shows him and Manifold leave, and it's already been two weeks with them missing, in the [B]same[/B] issue, and that was October 2018!

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Think of it this way: T'Challa helped in X-Men Red, which was a few months before, real time. So, he was gone during the entire Dissassembled/AoXM era. And then Krakoa was founded, he's still gone. Then he returns(must be months later, long enough for Shuri to rebuild a new golden age), Storm helps win his war(still unrevealed in Coates remaining issues).

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Sometime after that T'Challa becomes chairperson of the Avengers(and thus ensues Aaron's run) while Storm does her thing in HoX/DoX. So Coates stories of their relationship with Nakia is months removed from the present, and they've both been busy globe-trotting with their respective teams, not spending any time together, when Vita's Marauders picks up.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5254001]I don't know why it's hard for people to grasp time in comics is arbitrary and doesn't move as fast as in real life lol. T'Challa left in mid-2018 and like an issue after Shuri's book said he'd been gone for 2 weeks, in the main Black Panther book Nakia says it had been years since T'Challa joined the maroons. T'Challa was gone for roughly a month, shortly after becoming leader of the Avengers and head of the Agents of Wakanda. The Avengers may work together but we can rightfully assume they go days without seeing each other and T'Challa doesn't need to be there in order for them to function, and we know from Shuri's book Tony was aware T'Challa was missing.

The current title is operating under the assumption that T'Challa comes back the same time he left, mid-late 2018. Many months before the announcement of Krakoa and the current DOX. The book that most accurately shows T'Challa's status quo is the Avengers, which is happening concurrently with the X-books. The idea T'Challa was gone for months is baseless and directly contradictory to what was said. Hell, there was a brief panel showing him and a couple other Avengers getting Professor X's mental message announcing Krakoa lol.[/QUOTE]

let facts always prevail. i agree with you here beloved. and I dint recall the professor x panel. what issue was that?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5253995]lolol im just stating the facts. I remember the discussions had on this very forum about storm during that time. storm fans were upset it was Logan/Scott and not Ororo/Scott butting heads during schism. I remember storm fans being upset about her being unable to go to war against the inhumans. I remember them also being annoyed with her lack of presence during the era of bendis even when she was a headmistress and don't get me started on stormbot and lightning lass. what major development has she had under the xmen since her annulled marriage? why is anything wirth mentioning mostly from the black panther books? the proof is in the pudding.[/QUOTE]

Except i wasn't one of those people and thats where we diverge. I can screen shot my comoixology and you can see i gave coates a fair chance but i prefer Storm with the x-men and i enjoyed those stories so from my perspective as an actual reader who don't do twitter and all that other stuff all i see is im getting the books i love then this whole Bp/Storm ripped from the tyler perry headlines thing. I don't get why some don't understand that. lol. I don't know what you mean my developement either i'm here for the character moments. I loved Extraodinary X-men, i loved X-force where she was leading so for me i didn't have the same problem some Storm fans seem to have so again i don't get why that is a problem or there is some perosnal agenda against coates implied when i can say for myself i gave him a fair chance. If it's really about exploring storm why is coates so important? I don't get it, why is it all about this one writer and not the character?

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254034]T'Challa spent five years in the future. They traveled back through a wormhole, but in effect they still were gone from earth at least a few months. He's a changed man.

Shuri #1 shows him and Manifold leave, and it's already been two weeks with them missing, in the [B]same[/B] issue, and that was October 2018!

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Think of it this way: T'Challa helped in X-Men Red, which was a few months before, real time. So, he was gone during the entire Dissassembled/AoXM era. And then Krakoa was founded, he's still gone. Then he returns(must be months later, long enough for Shuri to rebuild a new golden age), Storm helps win his war(still unrevealed in Coates remaining issues).

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Sometime after that T'Challa becomes chairperson of the Avengers(and thus ensues Aaron's run) while Storm does her thing in HoX/DoX. So Coates stories of their relationship with Nakia is months removed from the present, and they've both been busy globe-trotting with their respective teams, not spending any time together, when Vita's Marauders picks up.[/QUOTE]

it wasnt in the future. I originally thought the same but the time was simply distorted. their stories occurred in parallel but the time between both places transpired differently:

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in fact the galatic empire has been around for 2000 years and we know tchalla went to space and was missing for two weeks when in Shuri book they looked to make her the new black panther:

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The original exploration crew was sent 2000 years into the past accidentally. Over the course of 2000 years, they colonized and enslaved several galaxies. When T'Challa and Manifold left in '2018', before the end of X-Men Red, they also accidentally got warped to the extent that they lived 5 years before they return to earth, a few months(long enough from '2018' that Shuri rebuilt Wakanda and the mutants founded Krakoa) after they left. It can't be just 'two weeks' between X-Men Red and Krakoa being a thing.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5254036]let facts always prevail. i agree with you here beloved. and I dint recall the professor x panel. what issue was that?[/QUOTE]

House of X #6, written by Jonathan Hickman himself and published October 2019. When X makes the announcement about Krakoa and the life-saving drugs (which Wakanda rejects), T'Challa is shown receiving that message alongside Steve and Tony. All in all I think it's fair to say the current arc in BP takes place entirely in mid-late 2018 and that the actual status quo of BP is where he's at with the Avengers. Meaning he was gone for about a month in-universe.

^Which is to say that Coates BP ending is already irrelevant before it's even seen print.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5254037]Except i wasn't one of those people and thats where we diverge. I can screen shot my comoixology and you can see i gave coates a fair chance but i prefer Storm with the x-men and i enjoyed those stories so from my perspective as an actual reader who don't do twitter and all that other stuff all i see is im getting the books i love then this whole Bp/Storm ripped from the tyler perry headlines thing. I don't get why some don't understand that. lol. I don't know what you mean my developement either i'm here for the character moments. I loved Extraodinary X-men, i loved X-force where she was leading so for me i didn't have the same problem some Storm fans seem to have so again i don't get why that is a problem or there is some perosnal agenda against coates implied when i can say for myself i gave him a fair chance. If it's really about exploring storm why is coates so important? I don't get it, why is it all about this one writer and not the character?[/QUOTE]

People of course like different things for different reasons. I'm certain most storm fans prefer her with the xmen but most storm fans I've conversed with also didn't like how she was handled pre-hickman. I think most people or readers of the comics perhaps don't see her being ripped away from the xmen as you do because canonical she was still present in the xbooks. Her presence at that time and even when she was back in the xbooks post the annulled marriage was more or less as a supporting role with little influence on the overall plot to the story.

those stories in extraordinary and even xforce where I had high hopes for fell real flat to me. I dont know. a lot of the xmen stories feel so uninspired and they never use her to the full potential I as a storm fan would hope to see. that is why for me when Coates went big and made her an actual goddess it excited me in ways I haven't been at that point since Claremont. and I dont think I said you had a personal agenda against Coates so not sure where that came from.

to your last question it is always about storm but again a lot of the xwriters like to limit her as opposed to letting her soar to her full potential. objectively speaking I can't point to one thing in the hickman era that I have seen from the perspective of character development for ororo. I see some say that they prefer this to feats but what development has she actually had? Its still the status quo she is a foot soldier for the xmen. Coates, for all who give him grief, had her reflect on the intersectionality of being a black woman and mutant, explore aspects of her femininity and confidence of being a woman when paired to another, interactions with people who look like her in a positive manner, regaining confidence in herself after failure during IvX, becoming an actual goddess of the most advanced nation in the MU, repauring her botched relationship with Wakanda/Tchalla, etc. there was so much development she received during Coates run that could have been expanded to make her large force within the MU beyond the xmen and wakanda. I cant think of any development thst pushes the needle forward from the status quo in the hickman run that compares to that we have seen from Coates. this is why I refer back to coates because he has been the only writer in recent years that is actually showing her to the potential she can be both powerwise and character wise.

so again I ask what development has she had within the xbooks or even in the post hickman era?

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254066]^Which is to say that Coates BP ending is already irrelevant before it's even seen print.[/QUOTE]

It was irrelevant when it was getting published, so what else is new lol.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254056]The original exploration crew was sent 2000 years into the past accidentally. Over the course of 2000 years, they colonized and enslaved several galaxies. When T'Challa and Manifold left in '2018', before the end of X-Men Red, they also accidentally got warped to the extent that they lived 5 years before they return to earth, a few months(long enough from '2018' that Shuri rebuilt Wakanda and the mutants founded Krakoa) after they left. It can't be just 'two weeks' between X-Men Red and Krakoa being a thing.[/QUOTE]


the two weeks where tchalla was missing is just the time experienced by the characters on wakanda prime. the 5 years that passed in galatic wakanda before tchalla was reunited with storm and the other Wakandans only equated to approximately a few weeks on wakanda prime.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5254061]House of X #6, written by Jonathan Hickman himself and published October 2019. When X makes the announcement about Krakoa and the life-saving drugs (which Wakanda rejects), T'Challa is shown receiving that message alongside Steve and Tony. All in all I think it's fair to say the current arc in BP takes place entirely in mid-late 2018 and that the actual status quo of BP is where he's at with the Avengers. Meaning he was gone for about a month in-universe.[/QUOTE]

makes sense. after tchalla has returned he mentions krakao casually which shows he is fully aware of the nation:

[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/fakU4gb3YHCGie4AcIGv5hV7CYpVK47WGRighf4ShT-VjJVh-Btm-BH2UmeBNX8EY78hW3jADV7NRcLAG9re6ghFVDxEQAH9B5YEGtLjldPgQBE_APp1To7NH0NxyOL0vhmZ2D9QZA=s1600[/img]

OKay, final offer: T'challa was gone 4 months.

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They are planting Krakoa 'five months ago', and T'Challa is with the Avengers when Xavier does his speech 'one month ago'. So from his last sighting in X-Men Red to the speech is at least four months, and that's not even counting the time between Red and the first planting of flowers.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5254074]It was irrelevant when it was getting published, so what else is new lol.[/QUOTE]

bye lol! not for the all-goddess and her love tchalla.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254083]OKay, final offer: T'challa was gone 3 months.

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They are planting Krakoa 'four months ago', and T'Challa is with the Avengers when Xavier does his speech 'one month ago'. So from his last sighting in X-Men Red to the speech is at least three months, and that's not even counting the time between Red and the first planting of flowers.[/QUOTE]

No deal, but if that's your headcannon then good for you lol. It hardly matters now and I think it's been clearly communicated that the book is not happening in synch with everything else and does not represent the actual state of T'Challa.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5254087]bye lol! not for the all-goddess and her love tchalla.[/QUOTE]

I'm just speaking the truth, but I'm happy you enjoyed it lol. I did like the goddess addition to her character though and hope it gets picked up for a future story. If not, I hope there's a good alternative.

[QUOTE=chief12d;5254061]House of X #6, written by Jonathan Hickman himself and published October 2019. When X makes the announcement about Krakoa and the life-saving drugs (which Wakanda rejects), T'Challa is shown receiving that message alongside Steve and Tony. All in all I think it's fair to say the current arc in BP takes place entirely in mid-late 2018 and that the actual status quo of BP is where he's at with the Avengers. Meaning he was gone for about a month in-universe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254083]OKay, final offer: T'challa was gone 4 months.

[IMG]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/72WZXA6M8ypN4hdZvqXubCnPzvfPcNRRUHPzgKbeq4Vi5-uz6m4cTxJjIywIxl3Gk_cGaVZHKQnp9DyEskYYqLZK6Lfq5GSzE7EorZUoDN5FSwrwXc2e9noYApmm0K1Dq_rbAeSo6A=s1600[/IMG]

They are planting Krakoa 'five months ago', and T'Challa is with the Avengers when Xavier does his speech 'one month ago'. So from his last sighting in X-Men Red to the speech is at least four months, and that's not even counting the time between Red and the first planting of flowers.[/QUOTE]

good memory chief12d


from this point the narration indicates this notification occurred 1 month from the present:

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this is supporting that he was probably only missing a few weeks to a month at the most as he is fully aware of Wakanda upon returning back from galactic Wakanda.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5254082]
makes sense. after tchalla has returned he mentions krakao casually which shows he is fully aware of the nation:

[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/fakU4gb3YHCGie4AcIGv5hV7CYpVK47WGRighf4ShT-VjJVh-Btm-BH2UmeBNX8EY78hW3jADV7NRcLAG9re6ghFVDxEQAH9B5YEGtLjldPgQBE_APp1To7NH0NxyOL0vhmZ2D9QZA=s1600[/img][/QUOTE]

Storm and him have been in bed for days catching up by the time this page starts. This is probably still in the build up phase of Krakoa before Xavier went public and T'challa was with the Avengers.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5254092]good memory chief12d


from this point the narration indicates this notification occurred 1 month from the present:

[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/3yqp_1aljlWjZNYUtqNMbttw_QC2tCxndyyKY1X2DYijY1ve9ISkauejsqeBPMI6MlDGj_E9UH4Ru4kN8vdRt_JGT4FwyXk4DsBirEAjl1B2tQgxLnXxCZKzPQ89C055II1I5r1DSA=s1600[/img]


this is supporting that he was probably only missing a few weeks to a month at the most as he is fully aware of Wakanda upon returning back from galactic Wakanda.[/QUOTE]

No, that page is four months after they are already planting portals. He's gone from X-Men Red until that page with the Avengers. I think he returned shortly before Xavier's announcement, which was still months after Krakoa was already a thing.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254098]No, that page is four months after they are already planting portals. He's gone from X-Men Red until that page with the Avengers. I think he returned shortly before Xavier's announcement, which was still months after Krakoa was already a thing.[/QUOTE]

no its not. this is the panel right before the one I posted saying it was one month ago:

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[QUOTE=chief12d;5254091]No deal, but if that's your headcannon then good for you lol. It hardly matters now and I think it's been clearly communicated that the book is not happening in synch with everything else and does not represent the actual state of T'Challa.



I'm just speaking the truth, but I'm happy you enjoyed it lol. I did like the goddess addition to her character though and hope it gets picked up for a future story. If not, I hope there's a good alternative.[/QUOTE]

if anything comes from it at least I hope it pushes for her fans to demand more from the xwriters than what they have given us. so many things that irked me about her Coates put those things to bed such as her being above race, for her not having ties to aspects of life outside of being a mutant, and notexploring her full potential beyond just lip service. so for that alone he was certainly not irrelevant to her and her development.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5254093]Storm and him have been in bed for days catching up by the time this page starts. This is probably still in the build up phase of Krakoa before Xavier went public and T'challa was with the Avengers.[/QUOTE]

that is anecdotal. from everything with defined time stamps it can be supported he was gone for two weeks minimum or a maximum of a month. anything outside if this time frame is not supported by canonical showings.

Xavier goes public 'one month ago' before the events of HoX where they blow up Mothermold. 'Five months ago', the X-Men are already planting flowers, which means they're already on Krakoa. There was no Krakoa when T'Challa first went missing in 2018. There is an entire four months of the X-Men on Krakoa before we see TC with the Avengers. I think Coates last issues take place just before 'one month ago', which means he was gone from Red until 'one month ago', which is at[I] least[/I] four months.