[QUOTE=yogaflame;4965861]Um, Vision is a sex toy at best, and is currently scrap metal. Try again luv.[/QUOTE]
Lmao. I was considering them but , was waiting on the D+ Series
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4965861]Um, Vision is a sex toy at best, and is currently scrap metal. Try again luv.[/QUOTE]
Lmao. I was considering them but , was waiting on the D+ Series
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4965861]Um, Vision is a sex toy at best, and is currently scrap metal. Try again luv.[/QUOTE]
You disregard him bc he isnt human but Wanda loves him. They were a very significant couple in the comics and they are a thing in the MCU and are getting their own series focused on their romance. You may not want to acknowledge any of that bc it disproves your point but anyone who is being unbiased can admit that they are a thing in the films
Try again? You ignored my Pepper and Tony example and may have missed me also saying Star Lord and Gamora.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4965862]Lmao. I was considering them but , was waiting on the D+ Series[/QUOTE]
You dont have to wait for that. We saw them teased heavily in Captain America: Civil War which laid the groundwork for their pairing and in IW, they were a bonafide couple who's romance played a key part of the plot. It was a major part of her story arc which gave her motivation which was carried on through Endgame and will be the driving force of the D+ series. They aren't a throwaway pairing like Black Widow and Hulk were
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4965862]Lmao. I was considering them but , was waiting on the D+ Series[/QUOTE]
I mean, they are both Avengers, so my subfrancise idea remains true. It's not like you have Dr. Strange and Gamorra in a relationship. Assuming T'Challa moves forward with Chadwick(who's to say they won't recast him with a younger actor, someone in his late 20's? T'Challa the character seems much younger than Chadwick, especially with a teen-aged sister), I really don't see how you could have him marry Ororo in one movie, and then she goes off to star in a whole other subfranchise(X-Men) where T'Challa has no role, and her role as Queen of Wakanda has no merit.
Not that this is all too impressive of a feat but it's a newer article discussing just how powerful Ororo can be. Screenrant talks about the time she took down a shield carrier.
[url]https://screenrant.com/xmen-storm-shield-helicarrier-comic/[/url]
[img]https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Storm-X-Men-Shield-Helicarrier.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=225&dpr=1.5[/img]
[i]Since her appearance in the Giant Sized X-Men Annual #1 (1975), Storm has been a member of numerous X-Men teams as well as a member of the Fantastic Four and Avengers. She has been worshipped as a goddess and respected as a Queen as well as mutant leader. She has stood her ground against an extraordinary range of enemies ranging from human to cosmic, even supernatural and extra-dimensional. She is a member of a species that is constantly under attack, suspicion and persecution. So it's no surprise that she could take down a SHIELD helicarrier, a feat that few super-powered individuals could boast.[/i]
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4965870]I mean, they are both Avengers, so my subfrancise idea remains true. It's not like you have Dr. Strange and Gamorra in a relationship. Assuming T'Challa moves forward with Chadwick(who's to say they won't recast him with a younger actor, someone in his late 20's? T'Challa the character seems much younger than Chadwick, especially with a teen-aged sister), I really don't see how you could have him marry Ororo in one movie, and then she goes off to star in a whole other subfranchise(X-Men) where T'Challa has no role, and her role as Queen of Wakanda has no merit.[/QUOTE]
It's going to be hard to build a BP-Storm romance in the MCU. Storm will likely only be in a post-credit scene in Black Panther 2, meaning you only have the third film to focus on the relationship. After that it's hard to think of where they can continue to develop it. Even if there were another BP trilogy with Shuri, there's no guarantee Boseman comes back except for 1-2 more Avengers films, where Storm isn't likely to have much of a role. And even then their romance would be getting development in the context of an ensemble, which isn't a lot to work with. Short of giving Storm a Disney+ series that features T'Challa as a love interest I don't see how they'll be able to fit both characters together since the X-Men are arriving late to the MCU. Plus there's the question of what to do with Nakia and the potential age gap between the X-Men and Avengers.
I think they'll stick to some light flirtation but won't pursue a full relationship. There'll probably be some attraction between the two of them and reminiscing about their time as teenagers but I think for the most part they'll exist in their own worlds, which is for the best. Nakia fits better into T'Challa's world of espionage and geopolitics and Storm should be fully available for the fight against anti-mutant hatred. If the MCU had access to the X-Men at its inception I have no doubt Storm would've been T'Challa's love interest but with only one film to really give it justice I don't think they'll go in that direction.
[QUOTE=chief12d;4965955]It's going to be hard to build a BP-Storm romance in the MCU. Storm will likely only be in a post-credit scene in Black Panther 2, meaning you only have the third film to focus on the relationship. After that it's hard to think of where they can continue to develop it. Even if there were another BP trilogy with Shuri, there's no guarantee Boseman comes back except for 1-2 more Avengers films, where Storm isn't likely to have much of a role. And even then their romance would be getting development in the context of an ensemble, which isn't a lot to work with. Short of giving Storm a Disney+ series that features T'Challa as a love interest I don't see how they'll be able to fit both characters together since the X-Men are arriving late to the MCU. Plus there's the question of what to do with Nakia and the potential age gap between the X-Men and Avengers.
I think they'll stick to some light flirtation but won't pursue a full relationship. There'll probably be some attraction between the two of them and reminiscing about their time as teenagers but I think for the most part they'll exist in their own worlds, which is for the best. Nakia fits better into T'Challa's world of espionage and geopolitics and Storm should be fully available for the fight against anti-mutant hatred. If the MCU had access to the X-Men at its inception I have no doubt Storm would've been T'Challa's love interest but with only one film to really give it justice I don't think they'll go in that direction.[/QUOTE]
what if they go down the malice road with nakia? there are ways a romance between ororo and tchalla could develop even with Nokia's presence. not that it will happen but it is possible and it doesnt have to be a thing where they fall in love or begin dating instantly.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4965961]what if they go down the malice road with nakia? there are ways a romance between ororo and tchalla could develop even with Nokia's presence. not that it will happen but it is possible and it doesnt have to be a thing where they fall in love or begin dating instantly.[/QUOTE]
I want to know who you think will be cast as Ororo to have the MCU tell [Oscar award winning actress] Lupita Nyong'o to go kick rocks? lol The Hollywood politics, let alone the media optics, would be a mine-field for Disney/Marvel. Honestly, if they keep the cast as it is, they should just develop Lupita's character more in BP2, flesh out her perspective and relationship with T'Challa, rather than try to introduce a whole other character and potential romance that can't even really go anywhere. They have the option of going the Malice route, but the optics on that aren't very good either. Remember, she was the one pushing for a greater role in the outside world. If they turn her character evil, it presents a difficult position for Disney/Marvel to defend.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4965953]Not that this is all too impressive of a feat but it's a newer article discussing just how powerful Ororo can be. Screenrant talks about the time she took down a shield carrier.
[url]https://screenrant.com/xmen-storm-shield-helicarrier-comic/[/url]
[img]https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Storm-X-Men-Shield-Helicarrier.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=225&dpr=1.5[/img]
[i]Since her appearance in the Giant Sized X-Men Annual #1 (1975), Storm has been a member of numerous X-Men teams as well as a member of the Fantastic Four and Avengers. She has been worshipped as a goddess and respected as a Queen as well as mutant leader. She has stood her ground against an extraordinary range of enemies ranging from human to cosmic, even supernatural and extra-dimensional. She is a member of a species that is constantly under attack, suspicion and persecution. So it's no surprise that she could take down a SHIELD helicarrier, a feat that few super-powered individuals could boast.[/i][/QUOTE]
Not sure why that's something to bring up, she destroyed starships but whatever...it's nice to recognize some of her feats
Turning a very well recieved black female protagonist into the stereotypical angry black woman villian to push another woman taking her place in a romance would not be a good look
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4965961]what if they go down the malice road with nakia? there are ways a romance between ororo and tchalla could develop even with Nokia's presence. not that it will happen but it is possible and it doesnt have to be a thing where they fall in love or begin dating instantly.[/QUOTE]
I would be surprised if they went that route but the concept is the same. Nakia goes bad in BP2 and Storm debuts in the same movie. I doubt she'll have a major role though, more along the lines of a reveal. There's only 1 film where you can explore BP and Storm and like you said the romance won't come instantly, so by the end of that film they probably won't even be a couple. But with no more T'Challa-led Black Panther films and Boseman likely to only appear in Avengers movies how do you continue the relationship? A sub-plot in a New Avengers film? A sub-plot in an X-Men movie? The best option is a Disney+ show but then there's Boseman's contract, his money (lol), and how to fit it in the larger scope of the MCU. I don't think it's impossible but it's hard to develop a romance like theirs because it's across franchises and a little too late.
Killing her or making her evil for a new love interest would really alienate people who liked the first movie, me included. Won't Storm and T'Challa be fine as friends? She can a have a nice movie story wirhout destroying what's already a good romance.
Maybe I'm biased because I still like her with Forge.
a well writen storm would be more friendly with mcu nakia more than tchalla lets be real here, she has rebelious and adventurous traits of yukio with a proper moral compass.
I completly dislike the idea of reducing storm to a romantic interest and to sideline nakia and oscar award winner lupita for a relantionship that has only started being good under coates recently, and it was after a whole ass divorce.
[QUOTE=coveredinbees;4965994]Killing her or making her evil for a new love interest would really alienate people who liked the first movie, me included. Won't Storm and T'Challa be fine as friends? She can a have a nice movie story wirhout destroying what's already a good romance.
Maybe I'm biased because I still like her with Forge.[/QUOTE]
For me it all comes down to execution. Nakia doesn't need to go evil for the same reasons that she does in the comics and if they do it in a way that doesn't butcher her character I can live with them pairing T'Challa and Storm. I've accepted that they'll never truly be separated so if they end up together in the movies I'll be fine as long as it's not reflected in the comics. My main issue is how it's gonna be fleshed out besides Black Panther 3.
[QUOTE=chief12d;4966001]For me it all comes down to execution. Nakia doesn't need to go evil for the same reasons that she does in the comics and if they do it in a way that doesn't butcher her character I can live with them pairing T'Challa and Storm. I've accepted that they'll never truly be separated so if they end up together in the movies I'll be fine as long as it's not reflected in the comics. My main issue is how it's gonna be fleshed out besides Black Panther 3.[/QUOTE]
nakia is the character in the movie with the best and most complete moral standing compared to tchala, okoye, killmongers, she was the most righteous looking outside the protection of wakanda for people to help but witout any of extreme views or blind loyalty.
Turning her evil makes no sense in a normal situation, she's the least likely from what we see in the movie.
I would be fine with them introducing Storm as a old friend that T'Challa has/had feeling for in the past. Just to make things fair also add a new male character to spice up the Love Square.
[QUOTE=coveredinbees;4965994]Killing her or making her evil for a new love interest would really alienate people who liked the first movie, me included. Won't Storm and T'Challa be fine as friends? She can a have a nice movie story wirhout destroying what's already a good romance.
[B]Maybe I'm biased because I still like her with Forge[/B].[/QUOTE]
I think Ororo should be more like Shuri's contemporary or even younger, and if we introduce her in BP2, just give her a premium cameo, not a full on role. Just enough to give us a vibe and a cool image or feat, to get people excited to know more about her. T'Challa can even give a look like 'Damn..." but then Nakia ribs him with an elbow and reminds him she's a teenager! And we follow her adventures off into the X-Men films/series at Prof Xavier's School.
As for your second idea, if we completely rewrite Forge into a good character, I'd be open to it. The MCU retreatment would allow for that sort of thing. If you made him younger, and a vet of Iraq or Afghanistan or whatever, and he's now working for DARPA or Halliburton or whatever(and mix in DARPA director Raven Darkholme in Captain Marvel), it could be a great story on film/D+ series. But like, slow and steady over a long time, especially if they weave whole series back into the main movies.
[QUOTE=Ferro;4966004]nakia is the character in the movie with the best and most complete moral standing compared to tchala, okoye, killmongers, she was the most righteous looking outside the protection of wakanda for people to help but witout any of extreme views or blind loyalty.
Turning her evil makes no sense in a normal situation, she's the least likely from what we see in the movie.[/QUOTE]
If there's anyone I trust to create a villain arc for Nakia it's Coogler. I won't write off the possibility just because it's not my preferred direction. For all we know those 5 years after the Snap radicalized her or maybe to keep Wakanda financially solvent she gets involved in black market dealings. We don't have any insight into how Wakanda may have been affected yet so the creators have some leeway in deciding what she dealt with and how she responded. Either way, Nakia turning evil doesn't solve the main issue with a BP-Storm romance, which is the lack of screen time available.
To me, the T'Challa/Ororo romance only works when they are full-fledged adults, having lived their own lives apart, coming back together as mature people. You can't do that if Ororo is just being introduced and MCU T'Challa is already 4 movies in.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966024]To me, the T'Challa/Ororo romance only works when they are full-fledged adults, having lived their own lives apart, coming back together as mature people. You can't do that if Ororo is just being introduced and MCU T'Challa is already 4 movies in.[/QUOTE]
Agree 100%
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966024]To me, the T'Challa/Ororo romance only works when they are full-fledged adults, having lived their own lives apart, coming back together as mature people. You can't do that if Ororo is just being introduced and MCU T'Challa is already 4 movies in.[/QUOTE]
I mean you can. You cant just do it with a significant age gap between them. If Storm is introduced as a woman within 2-3 years of whatever age he is supposed to be, it can work, but that wouldnt be wise for her longevity in this universe. Storm will likely be mid to late 20s at the most whenever we do see her and with at least a 10 year gap there, them as old flames isnt an angle they can tell.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966024]To me, the T'Challa/Ororo romance only works when they are full-fledged adults, having lived their own lives apart, coming back together as mature people. You can't do that if Ororo is just being introduced and MCU T'Challa is already 4 movies in.[/QUOTE]
Well when we first meet Storm she might very well already be a member of the X-Men. There's a popular theory floating out there that the X-Men have been hiding out on Krakoa or somewhere in the US acting as a secret task force dealing with mutant issues. So if they go that route Storm and T'Challa may have already been acquainted with each other but have simply grown apart over the years. The issue is the age gap and how old the X-Men are supposed to be.
To me it would be grave error to introduce the X-Men as mature characters who have been in hiding all this time. When we met Iron-Man, had he already been Iron-Man in hiding for 10 years, or did we see him make the suit? Same with Cap. We met them on the ground floor and went from there, so the audience grows with the character, so that the character can develop over 10 years organically. To introduce the X-Men any older than college aged would be a disservice in my opinion. We should see them grow into their powers and into their relationships as a team, otherwise you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Show me their triumphs and tragedies, don't tell me about it in dense exposition.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966060]To me it would be grave error to introduce the X-Men as mature characters who have been in hiding all this time. [/QUOTE]
You keep saying this, but I really think it'll be fine if the MCU suggests that the X-Men have been operating in the shadows for 10-15 years. Weird, but so's everything at this point.
If introducing Ororo into the MCU via Black Panther and not wanting to tip over the existing apple cart of T’Challa/Nakia, just show the kinship between the characters and keep the Ororo/T’Challa as a far off possible endgame ala EARTH X (which introduced the idea of the pairing). Or like the dance JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED did with Vixen/John Stewart/Hawkgirl - he ends up with Vixen at series conclusion with the idea that someday he’ll end up with Shayera.
There’s lots of Mutant World building to be done before the characters’ relationship can play out.
If BP2 does go the “War of Kings” route with Namor, I’d go with Ororo being a non-Wakandan power player drawn into the plot as an ally.
[IMG]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XnI1HpPdf3E/VJrYU1-XIOI/AAAAAAAAG1w/mQhdfGpYdVc/s1600/20141224090821536_0022.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966060]To me it would be grave error to introduce the X-Men as mature characters who have been in hiding all this time. When we met Iron-Man, had he already been Iron-Man in hiding for 10 years, or did we see him make the suit? Same with Cap. We met them on the ground floor and went from there, so the audience grows with the character, so that the character can develop over 10 years organically. To introduce the X-Men any older than college aged would be a disservice in my opinion. We should see them grow into their powers and into their relationships as a team, otherwise you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Show me their triumphs and tragedies, don't tell me about it in dense exposition.[/QUOTE]
With the exception of Doctor Strange viewers haven't seen the origin stories of most recent major characters introduced in the MCU. They had already begun their hero career before coming to the big screen, so I'm not sure it's a disservice as much as it is streamlining the story. I agree that the X-Men shouldn't be as old as the Avengers (mid-20s is my ideal) but I think there's a benefit to giving the team previously established dynamics that viewers can peer into and become invested in retroactively. It's not like the X-Men would've already taken on the Shi'ar or Mister Sinister, just established some core relationships that are put to the test and expanded on in the films we actually see them in. I think it opens up a bunch of story elements and reduces the need to focus on the growing pains of new team. Personally speaking I'd be fine jumping into the thick of the action and seeing the team grow from there.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966060]To me it would be grave error to introduce the X-Men as mature characters who have been in hiding all this time. When we met Iron-Man, had he already been Iron-Man in hiding for 10 years, or did we see him make the suit? Same with Cap. We met them on the ground floor and went from there, so the audience grows with the character, so that the character can develop over 10 years organically. To introduce the X-Men any older than college aged would be a disservice in my opinion. We should see them grow into their powers and into their relationships as a team, otherwise you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Show me their triumphs and tragedies, don't tell me about it in dense exposition.[/QUOTE]
On the flip side, there were characters like Hawkeye, Black Widow, Spider-Man and Captain Marvel whom were already doing their own thing when we were introduced to them. Not everyone needs to introduced on day 1 of using their powers/being a hero.
[QUOTE=CRaymond;4966068]You keep saying this, but I really think it'll be fine if the MCU suggests that the X-Men have been operating in the shadows for 10-15 years. Weird, but so's everything at this point.[/QUOTE]
You keep saying that...
To me that's like starting the Lord of the Rings story when Frodo has nine fingers and is living with the elves.
Why would you skip their entire storied history?
[QUOTE=Havok83;4966087]On the flip side, there were characters like Hawkeye, Black Widow, Spider-Man and Captain Marvel whom were already doing their own thing when we were introduced to them. Not everyone needs to introduced on day 1 of using their powers/being a hero.[/QUOTE]
I get that you take some perverse pleasure in trying to counter my every thought, but in no way are your examples the same. Hawkeye and BW are baseline humans, they have no special powers and they were support characters in Avengers. Even BW's solo film is taking place in the past. Spider-Man has the Raimi films which already covered his origins to a perfect T(and besides, in the MCU he was only active for about six months prior to Civil War, he's still learning the ropes in his solo films and team up movies). The X-Men's origins were butchered in the Fox films. And Captain Marvel's film literally revolves around her getting her power; it's just told upside down and backwards to try to inject more interest into a boring character.
[QUOTE=Thirteen;4966073]If introducing Ororo into the MCU via Black Panther and not wanting to tip over the existing apple cart of T’Challa/Nakia, just show the kinship between the characters and keep the Ororo/T’Challa as a far off possible endgame ala EARTH X (which introduced the idea of the pairing). [/QUOTE]
The idea was introduced by Claremont and Byrne back in that team up issue, where they were both too busy in their respective lives to seriously consider each other. Earth X brought the idea back into focus, but it was not the originating point.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966103]Why would you skip their entire storied history?[/QUOTE]
Because X-Men TAS started with a bang in Night of the Sentinels. Everything was fine —and in hindsight, admired.
Just lead with Jubilee meeting the X-Men's "Men in Black" status quo, and that changes by the end of the film.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966108]I get that you take some perverse pleasure in trying to counter my every thought, but in no way are your examples the same. Hawkeye and BW are baseline humans, they have no special powers and they were support characters in Avengers. Even BW's solo film is taking place in the past. Spider-Man has the Raimi films which already covered his origins to a perfect T(and besides, in the MCU he was only active for about six months prior to Civil War, he's still learning the ropes in his solo films and team up movies). The X-Men's origins were butchered in the Fox films. And Captain Marvel's film literally revolves around her getting her power; it's just told upside down and backwards to try to inject more interest into a boring character.[/QUOTE]Tony is a baseline human as well. And many of the X-men will be supporting characters in the X-men films just as BW and Hawkeye were
There are tons of X-men characters. Not everyone will or should be expected to be introduced as just starting out. While it may make sense for a core group in the first film, we'll likely see others just as BW, Hawkeye, CM, etc...having been utilizing their powers for some time, especially if those characters are introduced outside of the first X-men film
[QUOTE=CRaymond;4966115]Because X-Men TAS started with a bang in Night of the Sentinels. Everything was fine —and in hindsight, admired.
Just lead with Jubilee meeting the X-Men's "Men in Black" status quo, and that changes by the end of the film.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. We never really got much about the origins of the team until teh Cold Comfort episode in season 3 and that didnt dig into it too much
TAS didn't know if the show would work and if they would get more than one season(and as much as I love the show, it doesn't work as well as the actual Claremont canon. The characters are essentially frozen developmentally the entire series, other than Jean's Phoenix ordeals and Jubes learning to drive by the end. I will love that series for all time for what it was, but it can be exceeded, tremendously.). The MCU was a well-oiled machine before COVID. Assuming society doesn't collapse soon, it will most likely pick up steam again for another decade or two. Take your time. Stretch out. We've got loads of Disney+ series and big films to go through. There is no need to rush.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4965974]I want to know who you think will be cast as Ororo to have the MCU tell [Oscar award winning actress] Lupita Nyong'o to go kick rocks? lol The Hollywood politics, let alone the media optics, would be a mine-field for Disney/Marvel. Honestly, if they keep the cast as it is, they should just develop Lupita's character more in BP2, flesh out her perspective and relationship with T'Challa, rather than try to introduce a whole other character and potential romance that can't even really go anywhere. They have the option of going the Malice route, but the optics on that aren't very good either. Remember, she was the one pushing for a greater role in the outside world. If they turn her character evil, it presents a difficult position for Disney/Marvel to defend.[/QUOTE]
disney ultimately will be about that green so if they think it makes the most sense to keep nakia with tchalla they will do it; however, there are a lot of fans who want to see storm and BP shown as a couple on the big screen. I'm not saying that lupita should be pushed aside but if Disney's long term plans down the road is to romantically link tchalla and ororo nakia becoming malice would allow for it without it seeming to be forced.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4965982]Turning a very well recieved black female protagonist into the stereotypical angry black woman villian to push another woman taking her place in a romance would not be a good look[/QUOTE]
that's exactly what happened in 616 canon though. nakia envied ororo, became malice died and tchalla stayed with ororo. there may need to be some creative means of executing this so it works but malice would give disney a vehicle in doing this.
[QUOTE=chief12d;4965984]I would be surprised if they went that route but the concept is the same. Nakia goes bad in BP2 and Storm debuts in the same movie. I doubt she'll have a major role though, more along the lines of a reveal. There's only 1 film where you can explore BP and Storm and like you said the romance won't come instantly, so by the end of that film they probably won't even be a couple. But with no more T'Challa-led Black Panther films and Boseman likely to only appear in Avengers movies how do you continue the relationship? A sub-plot in a New Avengers film? A sub-plot in an X-Men movie? The best option is a Disney+ show but then there's Boseman's contract, his money (lol), and how to fit it in the larger scope of the MCU. I don't think it's impossible but it's hard to develop a romance like theirs because it's across franchises and a little too late.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how disney would do it but they've managed to develop characters and relationships between characters across different franchises. spiderman relationship between ironman is one that comes to mind when I think about this. if they are to develop a romantic relationship between ororo and tchalla it wont be overnight and it probably will occur across multiple movies.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4965980]Not sure why that's something to bring up, she destroyed starships but whatever...it's nice to recognize some of her feats[/QUOTE]
I think what I thought at least when I was reading this is that her powers are often underestimated but in context of the article they do acknowledge shes taken out entities far greater than the shield helicarrier.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-powerful-than-hulk/[/url]
this list is actually quite funny. I'm sure there are some hulk fans who would disagree but at least storm has shown she can beat him before, with the help of cable (albeit she can now replicate that feat by herself now).
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4966177][url]https://www.cbr.com/x-men-powerful-than-hulk/[/url]
this list is actually quite funny. I'm sure there are some hulk fans who would disagree but at least storm has shown she can beat him before, with the help of cable (albeit she can now replicate that feat by herself now).[/QUOTE]
Thunderbird? The dude who died in his 2nd appearance and no credentials to back him up as the #4? Spot? Bye. The list is a joke. I would say only Storm, Juggernaut and Jean are the only ones on there that I could see a legitimate argument made for being more powerful than Hulk
[QUOTE=Havok83;4966189]Thunderbird? The dude who died in his 2nd appearance and no credentials to back him up as the #4? Spot? Bye[/QUOTE]
lolol right? storm has a couple different examples of taking out hulk (bfr or ko) but some of these other ones were a complete stretch lol.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4966161]
that's exactly what happened in 616 canon though. nakia envied ororo, became malice died and tchalla stayed with ororo. there may need to be some creative means of executing this so it works but malice would give disney a vehicle in doing this.
[/QUOTE]
There are a few Malices. There was the original back in '74 who had nothing to do with Ororo(shit, she predates her).
The main one is from Priest's run, and she wasn't jealous of Ororo, she was jealous of T'Challa's romantic partner of old school runs, Monica Lynne.
The story you are thinking of is very recent, post MCU BP, post BP/Storm marriage, and is contained to that horrible X-Men/Wakanda crossover. That one is trash.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4966204]There are a few Malices. There was the original back in '74 who had nothing to do with Ororo(shit, she predates her).
The main one is from Priest's run, and she wasn't jealous of Ororo, she was jealous of T'Challa's romantic partner of old school runs, Monica Lynne.
The story you are thinking of is very recent, post MCU BP, post BP/Storm marriage, and is contained to that horrible X-Men/Wakanda crossover. That one is trash.[/QUOTE]
I was speaking of what was revealed in the recent Wakanda Forever Xmen:
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And regardless on it being good or not, I think it's very plausible that a Malice who wanted Tchallas love only to see him give it to Ororo would be jealous of our beloved wind rider.
I know what you're talking about, and that story is trash compared to the meat and potatoes of Malice/Nakia which is covered in Priest's BP run.
Whether the MCU decides to follow any of those stories, or continues on their own path, remains to be seen.