[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5237603]I always assumed that was Mistress Death.[/QUOTE]
oh I can go with that lolol
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5237603]I always assumed that was Mistress Death.[/QUOTE]
oh I can go with that lolol
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5237226]tbh i'm a little disappointed with Death, i thought that he being an millenial warrior could have given Storm a worthy fight, but he was defeated so easily and if Storm had her powers this fight would be faster than Betsy vs Isca lol.
besides, i also expected more from their relationship.[/QUOTE]
I dont understand people being disappointed in the fight. What more of a fight was he to give her? He fought her hand to hand combat with weapons and she was the better fighter. Y'all forget she was trained by Wolverine and others. Then he got mad and tried to KILL her with his Death Stare which he literally could've killed her in an instant knowing people have to see to have a fair chance at fighting. She used her intelligence and finished him off. Storm been beating bitches asses for years and I love it
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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5237785]I dont understand people being disappointed in the fight. What more of a fight was he to give her? He fought her hand to hand combat with weapons and she was the better fighter. Y'all forget she was trained by Wolverine and others. Then he got mad and tried to KILL her with is Death Stare which he literally couldn't killed her in an instant knowing people have to see to have a fair chance at fighting. She used her intelligence and finished him off. Storm been beating bitches asses for years and I love it
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I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.
I'm just disappointed we did not have more pages of a fight truly worthy of both opponents.
[QUOTE=metalclouds;5237785]I dont understand people being disappointed in the fight. What more of a fight was he to give her? He fought her hand to hand combat with weapons and she was the better fighter. Y'all forget she was trained by Wolverine and others. Then he got mad and tried to KILL her with is Death Stare which he literally couldn't killed her in an instant knowing people have to see to have a fair chance at fighting. She used her intelligence and finished him off. Storm been beating bitches asses for years and I love it
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That + Your words = ME SLAYED! Lol well said. I wanted more panels personally, just to illustrate Death's competence as a combatant and add more intensity to their fight, but I'm not mad at what we got. He went in arrogant and thought she'd be easy meat for the vamps given her powerless drunken state....then Storm was like "[I]Surpise Bitch![/I]"
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5237931]I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.[/QUOTE]
Well said. This event, especially last week, took a bit of a draw dropping turn, but I overall I like what we've received so far. There are other interesting and powerful aspect to Storm that are getting some much needed shine (doesn't happen often enough).
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5237971]I'm just disappointed we did not have more pages of a fight truly worthy of both opponents.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Cassara's art is amazing and I was looking forward to a good lengthy battle (a dance of death). Perhaps their more to come for Storm.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5237931]I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.[/QUOTE]
Thank you cause when he tried to instant kill Storm but got dragged, I gagged.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5238018]That + Your words = ME SLAYED! Lol well said. I wanted more panels personally, just to illustrate Death's competence as a combatant and add more intensity to their fight, but I'm not mad at what we got. He went in arrogant and thought she'd be easy meat for the vamps given her powerless drunken state....then Storm was like "[I]Surpise Bitch![/I]"
Well said. This event, especially last week, took a bit of a draw dropping turn, but I overall I like what we've received so far. There are other interesting and powerful aspect to Storm that are getting some much needed shine (doesn't happen often enough).
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FACTS!:cool:
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5237931]I'm a little confused too. I mean I take this fight as a huge feat for Storm. She wasn't fighting some street level trained fighter. She was up against a person who had been fighting a demon horde for thousands of years and is considered to be one of the strongest mutants of all and she beat him while being tipsy and without her powers. This says a lot about her hand to hand prowess. As a matter of fact, Storm hasn't done much with her powers at all and have gotten past some of the best Wakanda had to offer and this anciently powerful mutant. It's also worth nothing that outside of Wolverine, Storm is the only one to have had a real sword fight and won. (Cable kinda...) I take that as a huge win. Also, I know people are not happy with the plot device, but Skybreaker was greatly important to this fight. It literally shattered Death's sword. Who's to say that any other sword would have been able to do so? For all intents and purposes, she needed that particular sword especially given the way it's durability was described in the story. This fight took me back to old Ro with her strength of will and resolve. Her sense of duty pulled her through even when she literally was handicapped in the biggest way. I was very impressed.[/QUOTE]
Preach! Our. Girl. Did. That!
Storm deserves better than whatever that PIS was. You mean to tell me she (possibly) ruined her relationship with the Wakandan Royal family for a sword that doesn't do anything special? This entire event has just felt like it's trying so hard to be weird and subversive, and not in a good way. A powerless, poisoned Storm shouldn't so easily win a fight like that without any drama or tension. I'm not saying she should have lost. Of course she'd win, but it's how she won that's a problem for me. You invent a Wakandan sword out of thin air called Skybreaker (a name that sounds like too conveniently made for a weather controlling mutant), talk it up as a sword that could cause a civil war if stolen, have Storm impatiently steal it from the Wakandans, have her break up with the guy she's apparently so in love with in his own book, and then the only thing she does with it is stab her opponent. She couldn't even beat Shuri in a swordfight without using her powers in Marauders, but stomps an Apocalypse horseman that's been fighting for millennia while being drunk and poisoned and powerless. She deserved a better fight.
[QUOTE=Blind Wedjat;5238264]Storm deserves better than whatever that PIS was. You mean to tell me she (possibly) ruined her relationship with the Wakandan Royal family for a sword that doesn't do anything special? This entire event has just felt like it's trying so hard to be weird and subversive, and not in a good way. A powerless, poisoned Storm shouldn't so easily win a fight like that without any drama or tension. I'm not saying she should have lost. Of course she'd win, but it's how she won that's a problem for me. You invent a Wakandan sword out of thin air called Skybreaker (a name that sounds like too conveniently made for a weather controlling mutant), talk it up as a sword that could cause a civil war if stolen, have Storm impatiently steal it from the Wakandans, have her break up with the guy she's apparently so in love with in his own book, and then the only thing she does with it is stab her opponent. She couldn't even beat Shuri in a swordfight without using her powers in Marauders, but stomps an Apocalypse horseman that's been fighting for millennia while being drunk and poisoned and powerless. She deserved a better fight.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't have to be PIS at all. Storm did more than just stab Death with Skybreaker. Skybreaker literally shattered the sword of her opponent who was also wielding a legendary weapon, therefore, Skybreaker was very necessary. The short length of the fight doesn't mean that the fight was won easily. Much of the early panels show Storm at a disadvantage. Storm acting quickly however speaks to how high the stakes in the fight were for Storm. In her slightly incapacitated state, she would not have been able to win if she went for the proverbial 12 rounds or had an epic duel with Death. Instead, it forced her to have to be accurate and quick with her blow, which she was, and go for a first round knockout. Skybreaker, love it or not, was a plot device used to show Storm's devotion to putting her mission and the needs of others before her own, including her personal relationships. Heroes have been faced with this dilemma throughout the history of comic books, many times in ways that don't make much sense. The execution can be argued but Storm was not impatient or irrational. She was responsible given the set of circumstances that she was dealing with in the story. Both waiting for T'Challa and stealing the sword were risky. Storm chose the one that she thought incurred the least amount of risk and that was stealing the sword so that the world could live to see another day most likely believing that the relationship with Wakanda could be mended. She hinted at this by saying that the relationships were not over but would need to time to heal. For all of her trouble, in this story, she finally put the sword to good use. The sword fight with Shuri and Death were completely different in that Shuri and Storm were not fighting to the death. Storm and Shuri, though high stakes, was having more of a respectable dual where they were trying their best to subdue the other with the minimal amount of damage being done to one another. That cannot be said about the fight between Storm and Death. A fight to the death would bring about a whole different level of intensity and focus and perhaps even acumen as survival kicks in even while being slightly incapacitated. Perhaps, that was Death's downfall. It was clear that Storm was far more intense because the fight meant more to her than it did to Death, and that ended up being his undoing. That's what makes this fight such a big win for Storm. It hearkens back to the old days when Storm was a boss even without her powers. It also proves that the stealing of Skybreaker was well worth it (although being controversial) as it helped her to "potentially" save the world (the story isn't over yet).
I appreciated Storm winning but...even I could admit that it was an instance of PIS in a "tournament" that is just one big PIS since Marauders 14 (the moment Wolverine stabs Saturnyne is when they started to lose me.)
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5238451]I appreciated Storm winning but...even I could admit that it was an instance of PIS in a "tournament" that is just one big PIS since Marauders 14 (the moment Wolverine stabs Saturnyne is when they started to lose me.)[/QUOTE]
At this point I'm reading more out of habit than anything else.
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KING IN BLACK: RETURN OF THE VALKYRIES #3
JASON AARON & TORUNN GRØNBEKK (W), NINA VAKUEVA (A)
Cover by MATTIA DE IULIS
Profile Variant cover by PHIL NOTO
Headshot Variant cover by TODD NAUCK
BLACK HISTORY MONTH VARIANT COVER BY ERNANDA SOUZA
THE NEW VALKYRIE FINDS HER WEAPON -- WILL IT BE ENOUGH? Plus, a spotlight on Dani Moonstar as the X-Man fights to save both human and mutantkind! Jane Foster is going to need all the friends and power she can muster, but Knull and his symbiote army are slaughtering at a rate that even a hundred Valkyries couldn't match...and now Knull has some of the world's greatest heroes on his side. Can four warriors hope to stem the tide?
I have no choice...it's on my pull-list. I'm hoping Destruction will save it but...as of last week I'm just looking forward to December's books.
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KING IN BLACK: RETURN OF THE VALKYRIES #3
JASON AARON & TORUNN GRØNBEKK (W), NINA VAKUEVA (A)
Cover by MATTIA DE IULIS
Profile Variant cover by PHIL NOTO
Headshot Variant cover by TODD NAUCK
BLACK HISTORY MONTH VARIANT COVER BY ERNANDA SOUZA
THE NEW VALKYRIE FINDS HER WEAPON -- WILL IT BE ENOUGH? Plus, a spotlight on Dani Moonstar as the X-Man fights to save both human and mutantkind! Jane Foster is going to need all the friends and power she can muster, but Knull and his symbiote army are slaughtering at a rate that even a hundred Valkyries couldn't match...and now Knull has some of the world's greatest heroes on his side. Can four warriors hope to stem the tide?[/QUOTE]
I hope Storm doesn't jobs on this event.
[QUOTE=Sdawg;5238367]It doesn't have to be PIS at all. Storm did more than just stab Death with Skybreaker. Skybreaker literally shattered the sword of her opponent who was also wielding a legendary weapon, therefore, Skybreaker was very necessary. The short length of the fight doesn't mean that the fight was won easily. Much of the early panels show Storm at a disadvantage. Storm acting quickly however speaks to how high the stakes in the fight were for Storm. In her slightly incapacitated state, she would not have been able to win if she went for the proverbial 12 rounds or had an epic duel with Death. Instead, it forced her to have to be accurate and quick with her blow, which she was, and go for a first round knockout. Skybreaker, love it or not, was a plot device used to show Storm's devotion to putting her mission and the needs of others before her own, including her personal relationships. Heroes have been faced with this dilemma throughout the history of comic books, many times in ways that don't make much sense. The execution can be argued but Storm was not impatient or irrational. She was responsible given the set of circumstances that she was dealing with in the story. Both waiting for T'Challa and stealing the sword were risky. Storm chose the one that she thought incurred the least amount of risk and that was stealing the sword so that the world could live to see another day most likely believing that the relationship with Wakanda could be mended. She hinted at this by saying that the relationships were not over but would need to time to heal. For all of her trouble, in this story, she finally put the sword to good use. The sword fight with Shuri and Death were completely different in that Shuri and Storm were not fighting to the death. Storm and Shuri, though high stakes, was having more of a respectable dual where they were trying their best to subdue the other with the minimal amount of damage being done to one another. That cannot be said about the fight between Storm and Death. A fight to the death would bring about a whole different level of intensity and focus and perhaps even acumen as survival kicks in even while being slightly incapacitated. Perhaps, that was Death's downfall. It was clear that Storm was far more intense because the fight meant more to her than it did to Death, and that ended up being his undoing. That's what makes this fight such a big win for Storm. It hearkens back to the old days when Storm was a boss even without her powers. It also proves that the stealing of Skybreaker was well worth it (although being controversial) as it helped her to "potentially" save the world (the story isn't over yet).[/QUOTE]
Skybreaker easily shattering Black Bone is the epitome of lazy writing, because for an event that put so much emphasis on the collection of powerful and special swords, it hasn't bothered to even show what makes these swords and the matchups unique. It's almost like the writers can't handle Hickman's elaborate concepts and just decide to do whatever for the sake of moving the story forward.
Last I checked, the name of the sword was Skybreaker, not "Swordbreaker" and it had its own unique powers of being able to shoot lightning or some kind of energy...none of which was used in this issue. You invent a whole artefact from another culture, name it Skybreaker and give it lightning powers, give it to freaking Storm, then depower her and the only thing she does is use it as a mirror one and as a stabbing weapon? Come on now. Let's call BS when BS happens. Even putting my issues with Marauders 14 aside, that's just such a lazy fight for a tournament arc event.
But the context of Marauders 14 actually makes the entire thing worse because according to how Shuri put it, taking Skybreaker from Wakanda would cause "brother to turn against brother" and cause civil unrest in Wakanda. Yet at no point as Storm since then reflect on the fact that to save one people she may have doomed another (again, according to Marauders 14). Considering that Shuri and Ramonda tried to offer her any other sword but she insisted on Skybreaker, I expected a whole lot more than Really Strong Sword #425 (which is not the property of Skybreaker that was talked up and is something any other Wakandan blade can do). That sounds like a writer making out a thing to be more important than it actually really is, which is in itself a microcosm of the problems with this entire event.
A fight to the death vs a Death horseman should have more dramatic weight and tension to it other than a quick stab. You'd think for all the teases of Storm's dynamic with him would have given us a more intense and interesting fight. This matters a lot when we're talking about fights in fiction. It's not about realism: it's about selling the drama. There's no drama in any of these fights, and it feels like a lazy attempt at subverting expectations.