As far as Storm vs Scott, I think her leadership is marked by leading a smaller team of X-men whereas Scott has been more about commanding multiple teams of X-men with Storm being on those multiple teams he oversees
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As far as Storm vs Scott, I think her leadership is marked by leading a smaller team of X-men whereas Scott has been more about commanding multiple teams of X-men with Storm being on those multiple teams he oversees
I am probably one of the few Storm fans that just wasn't impressed with the Storm/Cyclops duel for leadership. I think it's clear both characters are not at their best. Scott is dealing with doubts about Madelyn so his head is not 100% in the game. Storm has no powers. The danger room was purposely made to put Cyclops at a disadvantage and in the end the duel was won just cause Storm removed Scott's visor. I dunno. I just feel like this was an overhyped moment that has been given more significance than it really needs. I don't even know why writers even wanted to introduce a retcon that Maddie might have influenced Scott to lose when again the original issue clearly shows he isn't in the best place mentally anyway.
I just wasn't impressed. We see Storm's ingenuity and resourcefulness, but that's nothing we didn't already know, even though it was a nice reminder that she is always capable no matter her circumstance. I don't consider it a "bad" or "good" showing for either character.
[QUOTE=Saturius;4913294]I am probably one of the few Storm fans that just wasn't impressed with the Storm/Cyclops duel for leadership. I think it's clear both characters are not at their best. Scott is dealing with doubts about Madelyn so his head is not 100% in the game. Storm has no powers. The danger room was purposely made to put Cyclops at a disadvantage and in the end the duel was won just cause Storm removed Scott's visor. I dunno. I just feel like this was an overhyped moment that has been given more significance than it really needs. I don't even know why writers even wanted to introduce a retcon that Maddie might have influenced Scott to lose when again the original issue clearly shows he isn't in the best place mentally anyway.
I just wasn't impressed. We see Storm's ingenuity and resourcefulness, but that's nothing we didn't already know, even though it was a nice reminder that she is always capable no matter her circumstance. I don't consider it a "bad" or "good" showing for either character.[/QUOTE]
Agreed to a degree. The DR session wasnt to put Scott at a disadvantage but rather make the match more even bc Storm was at a huge disadvantage being powerless. He also conceeded to the lost bc he didnt want to kill her bc without the visor he couldnt control his blast and would have hit her with full power.
The retcon wasnt done to shed light onto why Scott lost but to shed a negative light on Madelyne by making her manipulative long before the truth about her was revealed
[QUOTE=Saturius;4913294]I am probably one of the few Storm fans that just wasn't impressed with the Storm/Cyclops duel for leadership. I think it's clear both characters are not at their best. Scott is dealing with doubts about Madelyn so his head is not 100% in the game. Storm has no powers. The danger room was purposely made to put Cyclops at a disadvantage and in the end the duel was won just cause Storm removed Scott's visor. I dunno. I just feel like this was an overhyped moment that has been given more significance than it really needs. I don't even know why writers even wanted to introduce a retcon that Maddie might have influenced Scott to lose when again the original issue clearly shows he isn't in the best place mentally anyway.
I just wasn't impressed. We see Storm's ingenuity and resourcefulness, but that's nothing we didn't already know, even though it was a nice reminder that she is always capable no matter her circumstance. I don't consider it a "bad" or "good" showing for either character.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I really didn't see a reason to retcon the fight. It is, what it is.
[QUOTE=CRaymond;4913210]I'll try :-)
My biggest complaint with Storm's presence in the X-Books is that no one seems to ask Storm what HER vision for mutants could or should be.
Ever since [I]No More Mutants[/I], the X-Men have been reacting to human aggression in violent fits and spurts. Utopia was Scott's idea about protecting mutants in wartime.
Prior to that, Storm had established the XSE to police mutant threats and rescue civilians. It was a role that allowed her to lead by example and work alongside human diplomats to work toward a progressive status quo.
After Cyclops died, Storm struggled with leadership positions because the paradigm was still reeling from the inertia of Cyclops' hyper-defensiveness.
It's only now that Krakoa has created a viable economic state for mutantkind that Cyclops has been able to retreat to his proper role as military general. And while I'm WAITING, Ororo seems content on X-Men Red and playing high priestess of resurrection. What I WANT is for her to ascend to mutantkind's secretary of state.[/QUOTE]
you make valid arguments that align to canon but I think her treatment mostly fall on the writers on the x-side not being invested in the character. after no more mutants began the shift to cyclops being the one and only leader of xmen, then there was schism when ororo should have emerged as an alternative but then that went to wolverine. even after ororo finally ascended to being leader she was emotionally a wreck and couldnt hold it together without Logan. cyclops was able to lead and move on from jean but somehow ororo couldnt? ultimately, though I think you have a sound argument canonically speaking, her treatment as you described was a result of misogynoir.
this is why when Coates came on the scene for me it was so refreshing. she was able to be a black woman who embraced her femininity and powers with confidence, all while being in a healthy relationship with a partner who encouraged her pushing her to evolve beyond a point she thought was not possible.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4913472]you make valid arguments that align to canon but I think her treatment mostly fall on the writers on the x-side not being invested in the character. after no more mutants began the shift to cyclops being the one and only leader of xmen, then there was schism when ororo should have emerged as an alternative but then that went to wolverine. even after ororo finally ascended to being leader she was emotionally a wreck and couldnt hold it together without Logan. cyclops was able to lead and move on from jean but somehow ororo couldnt? ultimately, though I think you have a sound argument canonically speaking, her treatment as you described was a result of misogynoir.
this is why when Coates came on the scene for me it was so refreshing. she was able to be a black woman who embraced her femininity and powers with confidence, all while being in a healthy relationship with a partner who encouraged her pushing her to evolve beyond a point she thought was not possible.[/QUOTE]
Cyclops wasnt able to lead and move on from Jean. He closed the school down, became a depressive mess and sh-t went downhill for mutantkind. That was the purpose of Morrison's last arc. He got a do-over and was able to pick himself up bc he had Emma by his side in the aftermath. So thats why I wouldnt cite that as an example of them being misogynstic bc Marvel literally wrote the story that told us he wouldnt be effective without a woman by his side. Its not exactly the first time either bc the first time Jean died, he quit
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4913472]you make valid arguments that align to canon but I think her treatment mostly fall on the writers on the x-side not being invested in the character. after no more mutants began the shift to cyclops being the one and only leader of xmen, then there was schism when ororo should have emerged as an alternative but then that went to wolverine. even after ororo finally ascended to being leader she was emotionally a wreck and couldnt hold it together without Logan. cyclops was able to lead and move on from jean but somehow ororo couldnt? ultimately, though I think you have a sound argument canonically speaking, her treatment as you described was a result of misogynoir. [/QUOTE]
Oh sure. I'm absolutely not saying that outside factors like misogynoir had effects on the story as it played out. Writers can be weak people.
I also don't really care for Cyclops v Wolverine fights. They're boring and childish and have nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with daddy issues.
I'm far more interested in the three X-Men chosen to LEAD on the Quiet Council. I just wish there was room in the story for Storm to assemble.
[QUOTE=Saturius;4913294]I am probably one of the few Storm fans that just wasn't impressed with the Storm/Cyclops duel for leadership. I think it's clear both characters are not at their best. Scott is dealing with doubts about Madelyn so his head is not 100% in the game. Storm has no powers. The danger room was purposely made to put Cyclops at a disadvantage and in the end the duel was won just cause Storm removed Scott's visor. I dunno. I just feel like this was an overhyped moment that has been given more significance than it really needs. I don't even know why writers even wanted to introduce a retcon that Maddie might have influenced Scott to lose when again the original issue clearly shows he isn't in the best place mentally anyway.
I just wasn't impressed. We see Storm's ingenuity and resourcefulness, but that's nothing we didn't already know, even though it was a nice reminder that she is always capable no matter her circumstance. I don't consider it a "bad" or "good" showing for either character.[/QUOTE]
I think your assessment is a fair one. I liked it because of what you described us being able to witness: her resoutcefulness and ingenuity.
despite whatever maddie did I think for me at least that ororo will always find a way with or without her powers.
Tchalla's biggest regret is not Ororo.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-biggest-regret-illuminati/[/url]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4913507]Tchalla's biggest regret is not Ororo.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-biggest-regret-illuminati/[/url][/QUOTE]
Who said it was Ororo??
I didn’t think Storm was his biggest regret.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4913496]I think your assessment is a fair one. I liked it because of what you described us being able to witness: her resoutcefulness and ingenuity.
despite whatever maddie did I think for me at least that ororo will always find a way with or without her powers.
Tchalla's biggest regret is not Ororo.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-biggest-regret-illuminati/[/url][/QUOTE]
Only regret he should have is not killing Namor on sight.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4913496]Tchalla's biggest regret is not Ororo.
[url]https://www.cbr.com/black-panther-biggest-regret-illuminati/[/url][/QUOTE]
I really don't like most of these CBR articles. The author never seems to truly get what in the hell is going on. For BP #22 there is an order to T'Challa's biggest regrets. His ancestors bring each of them up. At each turn, he contends his name is T'Challa. But after each memory of regret, he gets closer to accepting himself as King of Wakanda. His regret about the dissolution of his marriage to Ororo is technically the last regret his ancestors reveal. The Illuminati is shown before she comes to T'Challa. What finally pushes him over from the combined buildup was the part about how his father handled the death of his mother. So, if we are ranking his biggest regrets, it was what happened between himself and Ororo that is his "biggest regret.". I think Coates had her shown last for a reason. At this point, he isn't even fighting back any more. He screams for her to come back and to come home. This is where he really begins to break down--literally dropping to his knees when asked: "And what shall we name he who turns his back on the one he so solemnly swore to protect?" That's how I read it anyway.
[QUOTE=CRaymond;4913490]Oh sure. I'm absolutely not saying that outside factors like misogynoir had effects on the story as it played out. Writers can be weak people.
I also don't really care for Cyclops v Wolverine fights. They're boring and childish and have nothing to do with leadership and everything to do with daddy issues.
I'm far more interested in the three X-Men chosen to LEAD on the Quiet Council. I just wish there was room in the story for Storm to assemble.[/QUOTE]
agreed to all of this.
[QUOTE=Cville;4913989]Only regret he should have is not killing Namor on sight.[/QUOTE]
well he did attempt to kill him at one point.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4914090]I really don't like most of these CBR articles. The author never seems to truly get what in the hell is going on. For BP #22 there is an order to T'Challa's biggest regrets. His ancestors bring each of them up. At each turn, he contends his name is T'Challa. But after each memory of regret, he gets closer to accepting himself as King of Wakanda. His regret about the dissolution of his marriage to Ororo is technically the last regret his ancestors reveal. The Illuminati is shown before she comes to T'Challa. What finally pushes him over from the combined buildup was the part about how his father handled the death of his mother. So, if we are ranking his biggest regrets, it was what happened between himself and Ororo that is his "biggest regret.". I think Coates had her shown last for a reason. At this point, he isn't even fighting back any more. He screams for her to come back and to come home. This is where he really begins to break down--literally dropping to his knees when asked: "And what shall we name he who turns his back on the one he so solemnly swore to protect?" That's how I read it anyway.[/QUOTE]
that's a very interesting take. I personally saw it as simply a display of what he believed or his ancestors saw as his biggest faults (there wasnt one that was necessarily bigger than the other); however, I do see how you can interpret it as you did. that said I dont see how cbr concluded what they did as that diesnt make sense to me when reading the story.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4914353]
that's a very interesting take. I personally saw it as simply a display of what he believed or his ancestors saw as his biggest faults (there wasnt one that was necessarily bigger than the other); however, I do see how you can interpret it as you did. that said I dont see how cbr concluded what they did as that diesnt make sense to me when reading the story.[/QUOTE]
I also saw the displays as T'Challa's big regrets. When I read the issue, I didn't consciously rank them, but I do think Coates likely intended them to build from least to most. The part with Ororo also fits what his narrative has been for them since he reestablished their relationship. It's been mentioned by BP and Shuri that his dissolution of his marriage was not only a huge mistake but his way of running away from his responsibilities. So, I don't think it is a coincidence that this is brought up right before he eventually breaks down and accepts himself for who he truly is, mistakes/regrets and all.
But nothing in the issue gets to what CBR wrote in that article. It's groundless and click bait.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4914443]I also saw the displays as T'Challa's big regrets. When I read the issue, I didn't consciously rank them, but I do think Coates likely intended them to build from least to most. The part with Ororo also fits what his narrative has been for them since he reestablished their relationship. It's been mentioned by BP and Shuri that his dissolution of his marriage was not only a huge mistake but his way of running away from his responsibilities. So, I don't think it is a coincidence that this is brought up right before he eventually breaks down and accepts himself for who he truly is, mistakes/regrets and all.
But nothing in the issue gets to what CBR wrote in that article. It's groundless and click bait.[/QUOTE]
agreed. question. I was thinking about this but why wasnt leaving shuri to die one of his regrets? I figured it was because shuri told him that she understood and had no ill-feelings as she knew he had to do it.
back to ororo, it definitely seemed of all the things he was shown he had the biggest emotional reaction to letting ororo go. I hope the next writer continues to build upon what coates wrote but I know there are some who have worked at marvel that dont want her involved at all with the BP mythos.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4914545]agreed. question. I was thinking about this but why wasnt leaving shuri to die one of his regrets? I figured it was because shuri told him that she understood and had no ill-feelings as she knew he had to do it.
back to ororo, it definitely seemed of all the things he was shown he had the biggest emotional reaction to letting ororo go. I hope the next writer continues to build upon what coates wrote but I know there are some who have worked at marvel that dont want her involved at all with the BP mythos.[/QUOTE]
Good question about Shuri. I think T'Challa has come to terms with that decision in a way that, perhaps, he hasn't with the others. I also thought the emotion T'Challa showed at losing Ororo again was much different from his emotions with the other events. With those, he really fought. But with her, he softened when she appeared, seeking her kiss to heal his hurt. I think Coates has taken the lemons of AvX and made lemonade with the couple. I sorely doubt any other writer, least of all an X-writer, will show them like this--loving and respecting each other. Even though we have 3 issues left, so far, Coates will leave T'Challa and Ororo in a better, stronger place than the characters were in when he started writing them four years ago. For BP/Storm fans, that's a good legacy for Coates.
T'Challa also had a huge reaction, crying, when his father told him he was no longer his son. I think they all had a cumulative impact on him, especially being reminded of hurting the woman he loves because of his own weaknesses. So, as a friend of mine says: "Suck it up buttercup." That's pretty much what his ancestors was telling him. He needed to man up, stop making excuses, stop running away, stop doubting himself, and be the leader Wakanda needs.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4914603]Good question about Shuri. I think T'Challa has come to terms with that decision in a way that, perhaps, he hasn't with the others. I also thought the emotion T'Challa showed at losing Ororo again was much different from his emotions with the other events. With those, he really fought. But with her, he softened when she appeared, seeking her kiss to heal his hurt. I think Coates has taken the lemons of AvX and made lemonade with the couple. I sorely doubt any other writer, least of all an X-writer, will show them like this--loving and respecting each other. Even though we have 3 issues left, so far, Coates will leave T'Challa and Ororo in a better, stronger place than the characters were in when he started writing them four years ago. For BP/Storm fans, that's a good legacy for Coates.
T'Challa also had a huge reaction, crying, when his father told him he was no longer his son. I think they all had a cumulative impact on him, especially being reminded of hurting the woman he loves because of his own weaknesses. So, as a friend of mine says: "Suck it up buttercup." That's pretty much what his ancestors was telling him. He needed to man up, stop making excuses, stop running away, stop doubting himself, and be the leader Wakanda needs.[/QUOTE]
great analysis boo. I think your analysis here is spot on as usual. and you're tight he did have a big emotional response to his father denouncing him. I thought that part where he was crying was a flashback.
and agreed to your point about where he will leave these two. I had just had a convo with another ororo friend and I asked the question: what would we be talking about as it pertains to ororo if not for Coates? for all the grief some give him I think if people really reflected on that question they, as ororo fans, would be more appreciative of his efforts.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4914631]and agreed to your point about where he will leave these two. I had just had a convo with another ororo friend and I asked the question: what would we be talking about as it pertains to ororo if not for Coates? for all the grief some give him I think if people really reflected on that question they, as ororo fans, would be more appreciative of his efforts.[/QUOTE]
OMG, so damn true. I had the same thought a couple of days ago but chose not to post the thought. I think you are spot on. If we take away all of the posts about Storm in BP, as well as in BP and the Crew, the page numbers of this thread (and the one before) would drop. Hell, how many pages alone have been devoted to her godhood status? And honestly, its not even as if Storm fans on this board are even complaining about Coates' characterization of her but mainly they want more, especially on the godhood front. So, yeah, whether Ororo fans like her with T'Challa or not, they've gotten more Ororo because she's been in Black Panther. And I would say that we've gotten, overall, a well written Ororo Munroe from Coates.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4914545]agreed. question. I was thinking about this but why wasnt leaving shuri to die one of his regrets? I figured it was because shuri told him that she understood and had no ill-feelings as she knew he had to do it.
back to ororo, it definitely seemed of all the things he was shown he had the biggest emotional reaction to letting ororo go. I hope the next writer continues to build upon what coates wrote but I know there are some who have worked at marvel that dont want her involved at all with the BP mythos.[/QUOTE]
Because he didnt leave her. She chose to stay.
[QUOTE=Cville;4914749]Because he didnt leave her. She chose to stay.[/QUOTE]
Very true. She did choose to stay. Great reminder.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4914723]OMG, so damn true. I had the same thought a couple of days ago but chose not to post the thought. I think you are spot on. If we take away all of the posts about Storm in BP, as well as in BP and the Crew, the page numbers of this thread (and the one before) would drop. Hell, how many pages alone have been devoted to her godhood status? And honestly, its not even as if Storm fans on this board are even complaining about Coates' characterization of her but mainly they want more, especially on the godhood front. So, yeah, whether Ororo fans like her with T'Challa or not, they've gotten more Ororo because she's been in Black Panther. And I would say that we've gotten, overall, a well written Ororo Munroe from Coates.[/QUOTE]
Indeed beloved. I try to imagine just how those conversations would go, because let's be clear a lot of the inclusions we have had of storm, even with her most recent appearance in giant size, linked back to her connections to BP.
hammer time, taking orders from kitty 2x, greeting those who are resurrected, etc. it really doesnt give you much to be excited for, at least not me.
[QUOTE=Cville;4914749]Because he didnt leave her. She chose to stay.[/QUOTE]
regardless of her choice he still felt bad knowing she would succumb to proxima. that was something I thought would weigh heavily on him and coates revealed this as such when he apologized for doing so.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4914848]Indeed beloved. I try to imagine just how those conversations would go, because let's be clear a lot of the inclusions we have had of storm, even with her most recent appearance in giant size, linked back to her connections to BP.
hammer time, taking orders from kitty 2x, greeting those who are resurrected, etc. it really doesnt give you much to be excited for, at least not me.
regardless of her choice he still felt bad knowing she would succumb to proxima. that was something I thought would weigh heavily on him and coates revealed this as such when he apologized for doing so.[/QUOTE]
Only Coates thinks that. The rest of us didn't give it a second thought because they're a warrior people. Going out fighting wouldn't be a new concept. If anything, he'd be proud of her. Tchalla regrets; Not using Basts' vision to protect the WK citizens. Not killing Namor after it happens. Working with the Illuminati in the first place and keeping it secret(He was the one who said it was a bad idea and refused to going the first time). Not taking Storm with him to NY.
I just read Hickman's Avengers run recently, and man, that issue where T'Challa visits Ororo and doesn't tell her about what's about to go down... it didn't sit right with me. Nor did the scene of T'Challa crying and not being able to destroy the other earth. Hickman did do some interesting things with T'Challa in that run(the whole king of the dead all that, and in fact the very notion of Coates' Djalia starts with Hickman's version), but overall I don't think he really understood him(or Ororo in her few scenes between here and the FF run), or Wakanda.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4914959]I just read Hickman's Avengers run recently, and man, that issue where T'Challa visits Ororo and doesn't tell her about what's about to go down... it didn't sit right with me. Nor did the scene of T'Challa crying and not being able to destroy the other earth. Hickman did do some interesting things with T'Challa in that run(the whole king of the dead all that, and in fact the very notion of Coates' Djalia starts with Hickman's version), but overall I don't think he really understood him(or Ororo in her few scenes between here and the FF run), or Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
I think he got him pretty well. He just messed up once or twice. Mistakes any writer makes. His DoX Xmen issues 1, 2, and 3 were misses for me. Tchalla was balling before the scenes you mentioned. lol.
[QUOTE=Cville;4914974]I think he got him pretty well. He just messed up once or twice. Mistakes any writer makes. His DoX Xmen issues 1, 2, and 3 were misses for me. Tchalla was balling before the scenes you mentioned. lol.[/QUOTE]
I didn't read. Which issues? Is it worth checking out?
[QUOTE=Cville;4914872]Only Coates thinks that. The rest of us didn't give it a second thought because they're a warrior people. Going out fighting wouldn't be a new concept. If anything, he'd be proud of her. Tchalla regrets; Not using Basts' vision to protect the WK citizens. Not killing Namor after it happens. Working with the Illuminati in the first place and keeping it secret(He was the one who said it was a bad idea and refused to going the first time). Not taking Storm with him to NY.[/QUOTE]
I actually thought it would be a human reaction for him to have regrets on doing this knowing she would die.
do you think he would have regretted picking the avengers over his wife?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4915006]I actually thought it would be a human reaction for him to have regrets on doing this knowing she would die.
do you think he would have regretted picking the avengers over his wife?[/QUOTE]
He picked Wakanda over his wife. The Avengers just happened to be on that side too. Doing that is within character.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4914976]I didn't read. Which issues? Is it worth checking out?[/QUOTE]
It is. I read Hickmans New Avengers, Infinity, Time Runs Out, and Secret Wars. All good. The story stretches back to his FF run too, but I only read one or two issues of that.
[QUOTE=Cville;4915021]It is. I read Hickmans New Avengers, Infinity, Time Runs Out, and Secret Wars. All good. The story stretches back to his FF run too, but I only read one or two issues of that.[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much. Well, with the stay at home order, I have time to read more.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4915024]Thank you very much. Well, with the stay at home order, I have time to read more.[/QUOTE]
New Avengers shares a continuity with Hickmans regular Avenger, but I didnt' read that part. I was only partly lost during Infinity, but it was the more boring side of the story anyway.
Sorry, if you meant Xmen. Dawn of X Xmen. I didnt like the first three issues. It picked up with issue 4.
If you read the crying and one night stand with Storm, you should just have Secret Wars next.
[QUOTE=Cville;4915040]New Avengers shares a continuity with Hickmans regular Avenger, but I didnt' read that part. I was only partly lost during Infinity, but it was the more boring side of the story anyway.[/QUOTE]
Good to know. Thanks again for the info. I'll look into them.
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There is a new version of Storm in the MCOC game. She has some nice animations.
[QUOTE=Cville;4915016]He picked Wakanda over his wife. The Avengers just happened to be on that side too. Doing that is within character.[/QUOTE]
no he most certainly chose the avengers. instead of talking with his wife he backed down to captain america's order (imagine if coates had him taking orders like this the world would end for some). does that seem in character to you? because i would imagine tchalla would have told steve to shove it so he could talk to his wife.
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this was the precursor that led to the avengers invading utopia and taking hope hiding her in wakanda. namor then flooded wakanda to "flush" her out of hiding, which then forced tchalla to annul the marriage. had he not listened to steve that entire situation could haveneen avoided.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4915243]no he most certainly chose the avengers. instead of talking with his wife he backed down to captain america's order (imagine if coates had him taking orders like this the world would end for some). does that seem in character to you? because i would imagine tchalla would have told steve to shove it so he could talk to his wife.
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this was the precursor that led to the avengers invading utopia and taking hope hiding her in wakanda. namor then flooded wakanda to "flush" her out of hiding, which then forced tchalla to annul the marriage. had he not listened to steve that entire situation could haveneen avoided.[/QUOTE]
Lol. Storm didn't even stay to hear what he had to say. She just walked out once he said Phoenix. Wolverine is on there and he stayed. Their marriage ending is her fault.
Storm was lame in that scene! It was messed up that she just up and left WITHOUT defending the Phoenix and sharing her experience with Jean. She just let Wolverine lie which led to the war with the X-men. i always hated this scene because she could have spoke up but she didnt.
[QUOTE=Cville;4915363]Lol. Storm didn't even stay to hear what he had to say. She just walked out once he said Phoenix. Wolverine is on there and he stayed. Their marriage ending is her fault.[/QUOTE]
I actually gave Storm much kudos and respect for not sticking around. She already knew what her decision was and instead of listening to all the intel when she knew where she had to be she respected that that was an avenger meeting and it would have been imo not very honorable to listen to the plans when she knew she had no intent on helping them.
I find it hard to believe if this scene played out with Sue and Reed and they got divorced people would be blaming Sue. Despite what happened as a couple in that situation tchalla should have followed his instict to go after his wife. No decisions had to be made beyond going after her at that point. That's when i knew the marriage was over.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4915516]I actually gave Storm much kudos and respect for not sticking around. She already knew what her decision was and instead of listening to all the intel when she knew where she had to be she respected that that was an avenger meeting and it would have been imo not very honorable to listen to the plans when she knew she had no intent on helping them.
I find it hard to believe if this scene played out with Sue and Reed and they got divorced people would be blaming Sue. Despite what happened as a couple in that situation tchalla should have followed his instict to go after his wife. No decisions had to be made beyond going after her at that point. That's when i knew the marriage was over.[/QUOTE]
What did she know? Jean is still dead. Was Hope associated with the Phoenix already? I didn't most Xmen at the time. I knew they thought she was a Messiah, but not sure on details.
I cant applaud someone for bit listening to info. As far as she knew they could have transported Hope to another part of the galaxy to see if the Phoenix change directions.
So glad I never collected AvX or its preceding texts.
So Storm, Wolverine, and CAPTAIN BRITAIN aren't the Avengers' TOP people for dealing with Phoenix?
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There is a new version of Storm in the MCOC game. She has some nice animations.[/QUOTE]
How do you know that’s Storm? That’s pretty Cool they made a Sorcerer Supreme Version of her. Wait......why is she Blue??
[QUOTE=Cville;4915363]Lol. Storm didn't even stay to hear what he had to say. She just walked out once he said Phoenix. Wolverine is on there and he stayed. Their marriage ending is her fault.[/QUOTE]
Why would she need to? She had been dealing with the Phoenix virtually since becoming an xmen. her feeling the need to leave did not mean tchalla should have let her depart without trying to talk to her as Steve instructed. The next time he chose to engage with her was when he and the avengers invaded Utopia. Ororo even tries to have a conversation in the regard and he chose to be combative and aligned to what the avengers were doing:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/8sQHfp4RGOBhanG5DhvcKCvYNyirPhqiyFZuFjxbclVhjf1hjTFTdhPqUTCKySvOvY1zeB9JYyHP=s1600[/img]
As everyone was fighting Ororo was trying to be the level head and reached out to Tchalla but he wanted to continue down the path of division and combat:
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That said, Ororo wasnt responsible for the marriage ending t'challa made that decision after she tried to help him and the wakandans (which btw was his fault for kidnapping hope in the first place):
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You conveniently didnt answer the captain America question if that was in character lol?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4915681]Why would she need to? She had been dealing with the Phoenix virtually since becoming an xmen. her feeling the need to leave did not mean tchalla should have let her depart without trying to talk to her as Steve instructed. The next time he chose to engage with her was when he and the avengers invaded Utopia. Ororo even tries to have a conversation in the regard and he chose to be combative and aligned to what the avengers were doing:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/8sQHfp4RGOBhanG5DhvcKCvYNyirPhqiyFZuFjxbclVhjf1hjTFTdhPqUTCKySvOvY1zeB9JYyHP=s1600[/img]
As everyone was fighting Ororo was trying to be the level head and reached out to Tchalla but he wanted to continue down the path of division and combat:
[img]https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rJQUAfdJIWG6FbVs0yXSy7KfytzcIfKSsbW8w4_sb9TRvb8gBmvzJnsPVtriF7VThMsHseMPjSre=s1600[/img]
That said, Ororo wasnt responsible for the marriage ending t'challa made that decision after she tried to help him and the wakandans (which btw was his fault for kidnapping hope in the first place):
[img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/c5/90/68c5909c30f36c38b77067d1eaee0b4d.jpg[/img]
You conveniently didnt answer the question if that was in character lol?[/QUOTE]
Of course it's not on character. But neither is what Storm does. She wouldn't have had to ask why this is happening if she stayed for the meeting. The time to talk was when she had the Avengers in a room going over a plan. Nobody in the event is acting in character. That's why nobody likes it. Lol.