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[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5022907]I also think it's important to note that Storm was not (and rarely has been) written by black writers. Few writers would be able to grasp the unique trauma that comes from racist incidents, especially those that come from loved ones. Again, I'm not in the "Jean is an evil racist boat," but I'm more interested in how Storm internalized those events as a member of multiple oppressed groups.[/QUOTE]
Yes absolutely! As much I love Claremont and what he did for Ororo there were some problematic writings as it related to her race. This is one of the reasons why its important for diversity in terms of the creative process. We can see evidence of this with Coates. He has written, although not extensively, on the intersectionality of race and being a mutant:
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I crave for more stories like this. it's hard to imagine ororo would only fight for mutant related issues while completely being silent on those issues that impact black persons. Coates has done a great job changing this narrative but I think much more is needed.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5023022]Utterly gorgeous. New wall art. I love the fabric.
She really look like an African diety.
And that SKIN!!! Uugghhhh......drool[/QUOTE]
Its sooooo gorgeous!!! I would love for her to wear something like this in the comics!
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;5023027]Storm in full goddess mode.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely!!!! Hadari Yao in the house!!!
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5023057]Yes absolutely! As much I love Claremont and what he did for Ororo there were some problematic writings as it related to her race. This is one of the reasons why its important for diversity in terms of the creative process. We can see evidence of this with Coates. He has written, although not extensively, on the intersectionality of race and being a mutant:
I crave for more stories like this. it's hard to imagine ororo would only fight for mutant related issues while completely being silent on those issues that impact black persons. Coates has done a great job changing this narrative but I think much more is needed.
Its sooooo gorgeous!!! I would love for her to wear something like this in the comics!
Absolutely!!!! Hadari Yao in the house!!![/QUOTE]
I love these stories too. Very relatable to a lot of the readership but I also think should be educational to other parts who ma never truly grasp the depth the impact those moments have the lives of people of color. I want a good balance of stories like this for Storm where she can have relevant real world issue discussions/take action, in addition to stories where she and mutants get back to making Krakoa the second coming of Wakanda if you will, and Marvel finding a nitch role of significance for her.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;5024563]I love these stories too. Very relatable to a lot of the readership but I also think should be educational to other parts who ma never truly grasp the depth the impact those moments have the lives of people of color. I want a good balance of stories like this for Storm where she can have relevant real world issue discussions/take action, in addition to stories where she and mutants get back to making Krakoa the second coming of Wakanda if you will, and Marvel finding a nitch role of significance for her.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely! That is what I truly think has been lacking which is balance. We have so many stories of her fighting for mutant rights and aspects of her life impacted by being a mutant but she's not solely a mutant. It doesnt have solely revolve around the injustices black people experienced from the past but seeing a bridge between these worlds would certainly be refreshing imo.
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A very good read. I can get behind her being Storm:
[url]https://winteriscoming.net/2020/06/26/american-gods-star-mcu-x-men-storm-yetide-badaki-solo-movie/[/url]
Yetide Badaki knows her Storm.
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The statues that Storm and her friends faced in that Into the Storm mini bear an eerie resemblance to Apocalypse’s first horsemen that they’ve been hyping up. I can’t find the image now, but I remember that one of them had a headpiece almost exactly like the one we’ve seen as the head of a horseman. And another had a symbol for balance, which relates to the dog-headed Horseman that looks like Anubis (who weighed the souls of dead Egyptians in the afterlife).
Another had a hood over his head and a heavily pronounced chin, which seems similar to another horseman. I don’t think there’s anyone quite like the fire-headed dude but I feel like as a whole the two groups have basic design similarities. I doubt they’re the original horsemen, maybe the artists just wanted to use those designs?
That whole mini was saturated with Apocalypse-related material that feels weirdly prophetic in light of his new influence on Krakoa. And the way Storm was fit into that mythology is interesting considering she’s supposed to play a role in X of Swords. It’d be interesting to see if Hickman plays into any of that. Storm’s connection to Egypt whether it be by ancestry or life experiences gives her a lot of opportunities to tie into the new ground he’s been breaking with the history of mutants/mutant magic.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5025285]The statues that Storm and her friends faced in that Into the Storm mini bear an eerie resemblance to Apocalypse’s first horsemen that they’ve been hyping up. I can’t find the image now, but I remember that one of them had a headpiece almost exactly like the one we’ve seen as the head of a horseman. And another had a symbol for balance, which relates to the dog-headed Horseman that looks like Anubis (who weighed the souls of dead Egyptians in the afterlife).
Another had a hood over his head and a heavily pronounced chin, which seems similar to another horseman. I don’t think there’s anyone quite like the fire-headed dude but I feel like as a whole the two groups have basic design similarities. I doubt they’re the original horsemen, maybe the artists just wanted to use those designs?
That whole mini was saturated with Apocalypse-related material that feels weirdly prophetic in light of his new influence on Krakoa. And the way Storm was fit into that mythology is interesting considering she’s supposed to play a role in X of Swords. It’d be interesting to see if Hickman plays into any of that. Storm’s connection to Egypt whether it be by ancestry or life experiences gives her a lot of opportunities to tie into the new ground he’s been breaking with the history of mutants/mutant magic.[/QUOTE]
That would be interesting. Are you referring to this imsge:
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[video=youtube;SQrDDZ-gYWg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQrDDZ-gYWg[/video]
So, I wasn't very impressed with his O5 casting, but I think he nails the Giant Size casting. I still am hoping for a slightly younger take on the MCU X-Men, to put them around Spidey's age, and do something like 18-22 for the main team(casting upwards to 25 or so in real life actors, other than Logan's who should be no more than 35), but within what he's already established, this set feels almost perfect. I am still holding out for a slightly younger cast of relative newbies, but if we got this I would not be mad. I know some of you advocated for his Storm casting, and the video evidence is compelling.
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5025555][video=youtube;SQrDDZ-gYWg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQrDDZ-gYWg[/video]
So, I wasn't very impressed with his O5 casting, but I think he nails the Giant Size casting. I still am hoping for a slightly younger take on the MCU X-Men, to put them around Spidey's age, and do something like 18-22 for the main team(casting upwards to 25 or so in real life actors, other than Logan's who should be no more than 35), but within what he's already established, this set feels almost perfect. I am still holding out for a slightly younger cast of relative newbies, but if we got this I would not be mad. I know some of you advocated for his Storm casting, and the video evidence is compelling.[/QUOTE]
I too think he did a decent casting. Especially with Colossus. Not really feeling his Banshee.
I don't hate his choice for Storm, but would still want someone else for the role.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5025596]I too think he did a decent casting. Especially with Colossus. Not really feeling his Banshee.
I don't hate his choice for Storm, but would still want someone else for the role.[/QUOTE]
The only decent choices I saw in there were the ones for Colossus and Wolverine but overall most of these choices are just too old
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;5025555][video=youtube;SQrDDZ-gYWg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQrDDZ-gYWg[/video]
So, I wasn't very impressed with his O5 casting, but I think he nails the Giant Size casting. I still am hoping for a slightly younger take on the MCU X-Men, to put them around Spidey's age, and do something like 18-22 for the main team(casting upwards to 25 or so in real life actors, other than Logan's who should be no more than 35), but within what he's already established, this set feels almost perfect. I am still holding out for a slightly younger cast of relative newbies, but if we got this I would not be mad. I know some of you advocated for his Storm casting, and the video evidence is compelling.[/QUOTE]
not feeling her for storm.
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Sue's cute but I'm not getting storm from her either.
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Who is chopping the ish out of Storm Wiki. It reads so terrible now. Ew. Whoever you are stop. And make sure you add she a Master theift and escape artist. She not just a pickpocketer.
!!Master theift/Escape Artist!!
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And I think they removed her whole magical heritage.
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What do you mean they removed her magical heritage?
She basically unlocked her magical potential her in Black Panther. Instead of using white or dark magic which mostly common. She's uses magic gods use which is divine energy. While we see in her appearance in Magik mini series an older Storm is more than capable of wielding white magic. So Storm is capable of wielding different sources of magical energy at the moment we've only seen one.
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she's very pretty. who is she?
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5026885]Who is chopping the ish out of Storm Wiki. It reads so terrible now. Ew. Whoever you are stop. And make sure you add she a Master theift and escape artist. She not just a pickpocketer.
!!Master theift/Escape Artist!![/QUOTE]
Is this wikipedia? which wiki u talking cause the one on wikipedia needs to be scrubbed and started from scratch.
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5025599]The only decent choices I saw in there were the ones for Colossus and Wolverine but overall most of these choices are just too old[/QUOTE]
colossus was fine af!!! lolol sign him up asap.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5022819]At any rate some beautiful Storm art:
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Wow, this is beautiful! Thank you for posting. Makes me wish artists would experiment with other colors for Ororo’s costumes besides black, white, and gold.
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[QUOTE=Dipter;5026981]Wow, this is beautiful! Thank you for posting. Makes me wish artists would experiment with other colors for Ororo’s costumes besides black, white, and gold.[/QUOTE]
any time beloved! I saw this and was also blown away by the color and detail!!
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It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5027282]It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.[/QUOTE]
She can't stay away from toxic people. Lol.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5027282]It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.[/QUOTE]
Yo, thats a good question. Other than the claustrophobic thing I don't know any other flaw she has for real except maybe her powers being more offense and no defense but that's more of a power thing.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5027282]It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.[/QUOTE]
An excellent question.
I’ve not read the comics for decades, I only started again last autumn, so I’m not sure how it’s been handled in canon.
As a fic writer, I haven’t used her much yet, but I think she appears, to those who don’t know her, as aloof, reserved, snobbish even. I don’t think her close friends would consider her any of these, but I think her poise, her reserve, her nobility, gives her that air. Her fellow 70s wave of X-Men are going to see see her entirely differently to the kids and teens, they’re known her long enough to know the passions beneath the cool facade.
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A character trait that she may not admit to is "being too hard on/expecting too much of herself" (As we saw in the aftermath of the Mutant Massacre)
Also...an overly driven nature that can ultimately take a toll (As we saw in X-Men 01)
As well as she can be a bit callous and too direct at times. (As she was towards Scott in Hellions 01)
These traits however are what make her a true leader and a good one at that.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5027282]It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.[/QUOTE]
Welcome back boo.
Let me just say first my girl is perfect in every way but I will play devils advocate. Sometimes she can be too stiff and at times comes across as hypocritical. The idea that she would chastise someone about killing is laughable. Her fixation on all things mutants and the Xavier dream also before Coates I saw as a big problem. It didnt allow her to be her own person.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5027282]It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.[/QUOTE]
Very great question.
Base off her personality and her life. Such as losing her parents at such a young age I think Ororo is not use to the word "No". Not saying she's spoiled or just out right defiant. But more of, if she's sees a problem or situation she wouldn't let social norms dictate her moral compass.
She won't Backdown.
So I would say high Morals.
Holds The World to her High Standards.
Stubborn.
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I wish get some strength feats with her goddess mode. The Wakandian gods are supposed to have immeasurable strength
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5027784]I wish get some strength feats with her goddess mode. The Wakandian gods are supposed to have immeasurable strength[/QUOTE]
the are the questions that need to be answered. I'm hoping we see this explored in the coates past few issues of BP as well as her giant sized issue.
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[QUOTE=KLY360;5026922]What do you mean they removed her magical heritage?
She basically unlocked her magical potential her in Black Panther. Instead of using white or dark magic which mostly common. She's uses magic gods use which is divine energy. While we see in her appearance in Magik mini series an older Storm is more than capable of wielding white magic. So Storm is capable of wielding different sources of magical energy at the moment we've only seen one.[/QUOTE]
she came from a long line of magical priestesses so if they took that away then that's awful.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5027766]Very great question.
Base off her personality and her life. Such as losing her parents at such a young age I think Ororo is not use to the word "No". Not saying she's spoiled or just out right defiant. But more of, if she's sees a problem or situation she wouldn't let social norms dictate her moral compass.
She won't Backdown.
So I would say high Morals.
Holds The World to her High Standards.
Stubborn.[/QUOTE]
I feel like "stubborn" is a fitting personality flaw for Storm. I also feel like she can be arrogant and a little self-righteous/"holier than thou" at times.
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Thanks for the answers!
I think Storm should have more stories that show her traits like her stubbornness negatively impacting her. Also how the pursuit for perfection takes it toll on her. Because as a black woman and a mutant she needs to be seen as perfect because people will try and tear her down for the slightest thing. I think that could be something interesting to add to the character.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5027282]It's been a while since I've been in this thread...
Anyway, I have question that may or may not be controversial.
What are Storm's personality flaws? Like things does she need to work on as a person? I can't really think of any she has and flaws are important for interesting and human characters. It's what draws people to the Spider-man's and Batman's, their flaws are some of the most interesting aspects of them. I'm wondering if that's one of the things preventing Storm from reaching her potential as a character.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=nj06;5027981]I feel like "stubborn" is a fitting personality flaw for Storm. I also feel like she can be arrogant and a little self-righteous/"holier than thou" at times.[/QUOTE]
GREAT QUESTION Crimz.
I think nj06 hit the nail on the head.
A personality flaw that Storm his that she is extremely arrogant and stubborn.
To the point your like uh Storm how can you tell so and so NOT to do XYZ when you just did it yesterday. -_- what sense does that make. So I’d say Stubbornness and Arrogance is Storms worse nightmare.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5028102]Thanks for the answers!
I think Storm should have more stories that show her traits like her stubbornness negatively impacting her. Also how the pursuit for perfection takes it toll on her. Because as a black woman and a mutant she needs to be seen as perfect because people will try and tear her down for the slightest thing. I think that could be something interesting to add to the character.[/QUOTE]
Yes! Also, she would definitely suffer from some serious imposter syndrome.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5028102]Thanks for the answers!
I think Storm should have more stories that show her traits like her stubbornness negatively impacting her. Also how the pursuit for perfection takes it toll on her. Because as a black woman and a mutant she needs to be seen as perfect because people will try and tear her down for the slightest thing. I think that could be something interesting to add to the character.[/QUOTE]
I disagree on the perfect thing, she doesn't need to be perfect black woman or not her character just needs more ground work and better characterization which isn't a guarantee considering how overflood the X continuity is.
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[QUOTE=Crimz;5028102]Thanks for the answers!
I think Storm should have more stories that show her traits like her stubbornness negatively impacting her. Also how the pursuit for perfection takes it toll on her. Because as a black woman and a mutant she needs to be seen as perfect because people will try and tear her down for the slightest thing. I think that could be something interesting to add to the character.[/QUOTE]
I thought the "Perfect" shtick was solely Monet's thing...
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[QUOTE=Mekk80s;5028185]I disagree on the perfect thing, she doesn't need to be perfect black woman or not her character just needs more ground work and better characterization which isn't a guarantee considering how overflood the X continuity is.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that for many black women they feel that they can't show any flaws or weakness (particularly in the workplace) otherwise it would be used to tear them down. If they need a break from it all they're called lazy, if they show even the slightest anger they're called aggressive and an "angry black woman". All I'm saying is that the pressures of being a black woman and a mutant might influence her in that way.
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I don't get the sense that she tries to aim for perfection because she is black and mutant. I would imagine based upon her experiences she would believe she was invaluable because of her abilities and because of her aesthetic. She was worshipped as a goddess and shes been told her entire life that she is beautiful. Therefore, I dont think she would prescribe to what others especially bigoted people in america thought of her.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5028329]I don't get the sense that she tries to aim for perfection because she is black and mutant. I would imagine based upon her experiences she would believe she was invaluable because of her abilities and because of her aesthetic. She was worshipped as a goddess and shes been told her entire life that she is beautiful. Therefore, I dont think she would prescribe to what others especially bigoted people in america thought of her.[/QUOTE]
I just think it could be part of the reason why she's perceived as "snobby". Her time being praised as a Goddess contributes most to that of course. I just think that even Storm isn't completely immune to societies bullsh*t and the toll it takes. She's black, a woman, an immigrant (she was born in America but her being raised outside of it would make most perceive her as an immigrant), and to top it all off she's a mutant. All the crap she must put up with on the daily must be exhausting and take it's toll even on someone like Storm.
I just think there is interesting story-potential there.
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Stories revolving around the 'flaws' of characters sound...godawful.
We already know...definitively through Claremont and the early writers...that mutants aren't infallible nor are they perfect. We really don't need a 2020 rehashing of those.
I mean...to what end? Just to see the character rise above it and be better for it?
That's been done. No need for wash-rinse-repeat cycle.
We already know Storm can rise, and is a better hero, despite her failings...It's why we love her.
