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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4880246]I think the majority of Thor controlling the weather feats have been with Mjlonir. So we really don't know the extent of his weather powers without his hammer.
I'm assuming when he says Thor's weather powers are more destructive. He means Thor doesn't have any fineness with his abilities, it's an all or nothing kind of thing. Sledgehammer (Thor) Vs. Surgeon Scalpel (Storm)...for example.
I remember a Thor fan could only find one pic of Thor using his powers in a non-destructive way...he used winds to carry the Quinjet.[/QUOTE]
oh I gotcha. that makes sense. maybe thor should lose his hammer indefinitely as it seems to cripple him in a lot of ways. can he even fly without his hammer?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880262]oh I gotcha. that makes sense. maybe thor should lose his hammer indefinitely as it seems to cripple him in a lot of ways. can he even fly without his hammer?[/QUOTE]
I think so but it's another one of those things where we don't have many feats of him doing it. I know for a fact he can hover...as he does it all the time when he throws Mjolnir.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4880273]I think so but it's another one of those things where we don't have many feats of him doing it. I know for a fact he can hover...as he does it all the time when he throws Mjolnir.[/QUOTE]
yea mjolnir seems to be his crutch. I think when considering this one could make the argument for her being a better weather manipulator than him...
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[QUOTE=CookieOnTsunami;4880124]Thor can also create temporal storms[/QUOTE]
A Temporal Storm is not the same as a regular Thunder Storm. I know what you're saying, but we are talking about controlling Earthly Weather.
[QUOTE=CookieOnTsunami;4880117]Nate Grey generated a rainstorm once, I know Phoenix Jean could control the weather (even absorb lightning bolts) and weather witch literally appeared for like .. two issues to my knowledge and all I remember was a rainstorm and a few lightning bolts lmfao[/QUOTE]
Ok, Interesting. But to me I don't consider them people who can Control the Weather...that's not their actually power set. So, to me that doesn't really count.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880191]I dont think that weather b!tch character has any noteworthy feats. but if you find any please share.
and seriously, what is up with these writers using monikers associated with storm? like it's not creative in the least.
so wait, thor without hammer can create solar winds but cannot create tornadoes? that doesnt really make sense to me. and what do you mean hes more destructive? couldnt her storms be as easily destructive if she didnt care about hurting innocent people?[/QUOTE]
Once I find some feats of Weather Witch i'll post them.
IDK, honestly it doesn't bother me. I do find it funny.
When I say more Destructive that means Giant Lightning covering the Planet, Giant Hurricanes covering the planet, Thunder shaking the Planet etc etc. Destructive as in Grandiose things.
In regards to the Solar Winds thing. YEAH i'm glad you caught how that doesn't makes sense. LOL Keep that in mind.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4880246]I think the majority of Thor controlling the weather feats have been with Mjlonir. So we really don't know the extent of his weather powers without his hammer.
I'm assuming when he says Thor's weather powers are more destructive. He means Thor doesn't have any fineness with his abilities, it's an all or nothing kind of thing. Sledgehammer (Thor) Vs. Surgeon Scalpel (Storm)...for example.
I remember a Thor fan could only find one pic of Thor using his powers in a non-destructive way...he used winds to carry the Quinjet.[/QUOTE]
I think we do. Without his Hammer he has none. I've asked a Thor fan to produce scans to PROVE to me that Thor can control the weather without the hammer. And you know what he produced??? 2 Scans making it rain and summon lighting. And HE admitted that Thor doens't have much control over the Weather without the Hammer.
You are 100% right.
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Love it. How much does he cost for a pic? Wanna see if he can do something for me.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880332]A Temporal Storm is not the same as a regular Thunder Storm. I know what you're saying, but we are talking about controlling Earthly Weather.
Ok, Interesting. But to me I don't consider them people who can Control the Weather...that's not their actually power set. So, to me that doesn't really count.
Once I find some feats of Weather Witch i'll post them.
IDK, honestly it doesn't bother me. I do find it funny.
When I say more Destructive that means Giant Lightning covering the Planet, Giant Hurricanes covering the planet, Thunder shaking the Planet etc etc. Destructive as in Grandiose things.
In regards to the Solar Winds thing. YEAH i'm glad you caught how that doesn't makes sense. LOL Keep that in mind.
I think we do. Without his Hammer he has none. I've asked a Thor fan to produce scans to PROVE to me that Thor can control the weather without the hammer. And you know what he produced??? 2 Scans making it rain and summon lighting. And HE admitted that Thor doens't have much control over the Weather without the Hammer.
You are 100% right.[/QUOTE]
I doubt you will find any posts of ww worth posting but I will be waiting.
I should have know it doesnt bother u lol
couldnt ororo, in theory, do the same thing?
yea it doesn't make sense to me at all.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880538]I doubt you will find any posts of ww worth posting but I will be waiting.
I should have know it doesnt bother u lol
couldnt ororo, in theory, do the same thing?
yea it doesn't make sense to me at all.[/QUOTE]
That's if I find ANY.
In Theory what?? I don't know what you mean.
RIGHT?! So, how the Hell is Thor better in Weather Manipulation if he consistently contradicts himself when he doesn't have his hammer? Someone tell me please because I guess I'm A CRAZY STORM FAN.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880545]That's if I find ANY.
In Theory what?? I don't know what you mean.
RIGHT?! So, how the Hell is Thor better in Weather Manipulation if he consistently contradicts himself when he doesn't have his hammer? Someone tell me please because I guess I'm A CRAZY STORM FAN.[/QUOTE]
couldn't ororo make lightning bolts as big as planet, or hurricane as large as planet ?
do his fans think he can do what he has shown with the hammer?
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4875330]Giant-Size X-Men #1 was created by Len Wein and Dave Cockrum. They created Storm and imagined her as an eternally 16 year old goddess, as ancient as time. Len Wein became line editor right after this was released, so he passed the project off to then basically intern-Chris Claremont, who went on to define that team into the greatest comic book superheroes of all time. I think the issue is certainly of it's time(while also being extremely progressive for those times), and the plot and story are relatively straightforward, but I think the vignettes introducing the new X-Men are excellent and do a great job of presenting varied responses to mutants all around the world. I love it and hope it's used as the basis for the MCU X-Men.[/QUOTE]
16-years old? I never saw her as anything other than an adult, I didn't even realize reading Giant Size that she was supposed to be a minor. I don't think she was ever meant to be a goddess though? Like Charles clearly states she is not a goddess but rather a mutant.
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[QUOTE=Oheao;4880567]16-years old? I never saw her as anything other than an adult, I didn't even realize reading Giant Size that she was supposed to be a minor. I don't think she was ever meant to be a goddess though? Like Charles clearly states she is not a goddess but rather a mutant.[/QUOTE]
in a later issue written by lobdell she was stated to be older than colossus and nightcrawler she was recruited. not sure what age that would place her at.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880553]couldn't ororo make lightning bolts as big as planet, or hurricane as large as planet ?
do his fans think he can do what he has shown with the hammer?[/QUOTE]
I don't know....you tell me. Do we have any feats or proof that it's a Possibility? What has Storm done to say she can? The Lightning in Space is the ONLY thing I can think of.
When it comes to Thor fans they believe he can replicate any affect Storm has done and MORE. I challenge that every time I get because they are wrong.
I don't mind admitting that Thor can beat Storm or Thor is more powerful than Storm(For NOW until we get Goddess Storm Feats we shall see), but for some reason he's better than Storm at Weather Manipulating?
No, that's a Lie.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880553]couldn't ororo make lightning bolts as big as planet, or hurricane as large as planet ?
do his fans think he can do what he has shown with the hammer?[/QUOTE]
Do this for me.
I want you to list every Weather Phenomenon that Storm has EVERY created on Earth and I can tell you if Thor has done that WITH or WITHOUT his Hammer.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880585]I don't know....you tell me. Do we have any feats or proof that it's a Possibility? What has Storm done to say she can? The Lightning in Space is the ONLY thing I can think of.
When it comes to Thor fans they believe he can replicate any affect Storm has done and MORE. I challenge that every time I get because they are wrong.
I don't mind admitting that Thor can beat Storm or Thor is more powerful than Storm(For NOW until we get Goddess Storm Feats we shall see), but for some reason he's better than Storm at Weather Manipulating?
No, that's a Lie.[/QUOTE]
well before I go into feats as an omega mutant by definition those things SHOULD BE achievable. shes done a couple of global feats so I should be possible to replicate the same.
well I would argue he could if he was shown to do it with hammer. the thing is though is that he hasnt done the stuff she has even with his hammer.
yea I would agree, especially when he cant replicate certain feats without his hammer.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880596]well before I go into feats as an omega mutant by definition those things SHOULD BE achievable. shes done a couple of global feats so I should be possible to replicate the same.
well I would argue he could if he was shown to do it with hammer. the thing is though is that he hasnt done the stuff she has even with his hammer.
yea I would agree, especially when he cant replicate certain feats without his hammer.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, therefore Storm is Better.
I'm sorry Thor Fans she is. It's not that hard of a Pill to swallow.
Edit: ALSO, if you consider the fact that there is a Living Cosmic Storm INSIDE his Hammer. That is doing all these BIG feats for Thor. It begs the question........can Thor even Manipulate the Weather at all. I mean a Living Cosmic Storm seems to be doing all the work.
So, who is REALLY manipulating the Weather using the Hammer? Thor or the Mother Storm inside the Hammer??????
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880585]I don't know....you tell me. Do we have any feats or proof that it's a Possibility? What has Storm done to say she can? The Lightning in Space is the ONLY thing I can think of.
When it comes to Thor fans they believe he can replicate any affect Storm has done and MORE. I challenge that every time I get because they are wrong.
I don't mind admitting that Thor can beat Storm or Thor is more powerful than Storm(For NOW until we get Goddess Storm Feats we shall see), but for some reason he's better than Storm at Weather Manipulating?
No, that's a Lie.[/QUOTE]
Here the problem...when they say Thor has made lightning bigger than a planet. Are they talking about [B]Thor[/B] or [B]Mother of Thunder/Storms[/B] who was trapped inside of Mjolnir?
Thor's weather powers without the Mother are still untested and from what I've seen without Mjolnir are way below Storm.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880602]Exactly, therefore Storm is Better.
I'm sorry Thor Fans she is. It's not that hard of a Pill to swallow.
Edit: ALSO, if you consider the fact that there is a Living Cosmic Storm INSIDE his Hammer. That is doing all these BIG feats for Thor. It begs the question........can Thor even Manipulate the Weather at all. I mean a Living Cosmic Storm seems to be doing all the work.
So, who is REALLY manipulating the Weather using the Hammer? Thor or the Mother Storm inside the Hammer??????[/QUOTE]
Dang it, you said it before I could post it...lol
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4880624]Here the problem...when they say Thor has made lightning bigger than a planet. Are they talking about [B]Thor[/B] or [B]Mother of Thunder/Storms[/B] who was trapped inside of Mjolnir?
Thor's weather powers without the Mother are still untested and from what I've seen without Mjolnir are way below Storm.
Dang it, you said it before I could post it...lol[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA beat ya too it.
But for the most part you're right. I just feel like Thor fans are refusing to believe this fact. I mean Thor trumps Storm in Stats already. Let her have this 1 thing above Thor.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880577]in a later issue written by lobdell she was stated to be older than colossus and nightcrawler she was recruited. not sure what age that would place her at.[/QUOTE]
I don't recall her being older than Nightcrawler, but I for sure remember the statement about Peter. Colossus was stated to be 19 when he joined the X-Men. I always put Storm and Kurt slightly older than him at 23/24ish, with Scott being a little older at 25/26ish, Banshee being 40ish and Wolverine being older than dirt.
Now I think it's just supposed to be 10 years that have passed since the 2nd team came aboard, right? So in my mind Storm is mid 30's.
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[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4880667]I don't recall her being older than Nightcrawler, but I for sure remember the statement about Peter. Colossus was stated to be 19 when he joined the X-Men. I always put Storm and Kurt slightly older than him at 23/24ish, with Scott being a little older at 25/26ish, Banshee being 40ish and Wolverine being older than dirt.
Now I think it's just supposed to be 10 years that have passed since the 2nd team came aboard, right? So in my mind Storm is mid 30's.[/QUOTE]
In Storm's origin story, her birthdate was listed as 1951 and the issue came out in 1976, making her 25 at the time she joined the X-men. Kurt and Piotr were both definitely younger than that. Piotr was 18 at the time he joined (that comes up later when he dates Kitty). I believe Kurt was supposed to be 21
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[QUOTE=Oheao;4880567]16-years old? I never saw her as anything other than an adult, I didn't even realize reading Giant Size that she was supposed to be a minor. I don't think she was ever meant to be a goddess though? Like Charles clearly states she is not a goddess but rather a mutant.[/QUOTE]
Len Wein only wrote her for one issue, so his(and Dave Cockrum's) ideas for her(as a timeless youthful goddess from Kenya) were quickly thrown out of the window by Claremont, who did age her at 24(and an American birth/father) fairly early on.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880638]HAHAHA beat ya too it.
But for the most part you're right. I just feel like Thor fans are refusing to believe this fact. I mean Thor trumps Storm in Stats already. Let her have this 1 thing above Thor.[/QUOTE]
I agree. He is still a bad ass without the weather powers.
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I can't believe you guys are "debating" yet another unimportant, pointless and insipid CBR "List". Those things are trash and are never worth the time nor the effort.
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If we were talking fine tune control, finesse, or understanding weather itself I would probably go with Storm for sure, but in terms of pure power Thor definitely trumps her. Storm has said herself that while she has to work with the elements themselves with effort and work to calm a storm, Thor could stop it with a thought. Thor does not have to manipulate or work with what is there like Storm. He can just create or stop incredible weather phenomenon without any effort and can create or stop them immediately through purely mystical means. Given enough time and effort I am sure Storm could match most of what Thor can do on a whim, but that still means Thor is on another level in terms of directly controlling the weather since he doesn't have to mess with all that work. The main reason you don't see a lot of weather feats from Thor is because he is so powerful outside of his weather control powers and usually doesn't need them. Why would he need to whip up a wide spread and destructive storm, tornado, or hurricane when a targeted super lightning bolt, Mjolnir, or even his bare fist can hit just as hard.
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4880592]Do this for me.
I want you to list every Weather Phenomenon that Storm has EVERY created on Earth and I can tell you if Thor has done that WITH or WITHOUT his Hammer.[/QUOTE]
ok... only weather related feats:
1. manipulate Earth's EM field
2. create tornado, hurricanes, wind including fly using wind currents
3. create snow storms/blizzards/hail/flash freeze
4. heat area to create fires
5. manipulate ocean mediums, water manipulation
6. sense temperature shifts
7. detect unnatural storms, weather phenomenon
8. manipulate jet stream, air pressure
9. create flash floods out of thin air
10. manipulate relative humidity to dehydrate opponents
11. manipulate air to prevent sound from permeating area.
12. condense water vapor to create fog in large areas
13. thunderstorms/lightning/thunderclap
that's all I can think of off the top of my head lol
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[QUOTE=thjan;4880751]If we were talking fine tune control, finesse, or understanding weather itself I would probably go with Storm for sure, but in terms of pure power Thor definitely trumps her. Storm has said herself that while she has to work with the elements themselves with effort and work to calm a storm, Thor could stop it with a thought. Thor does not have to manipulate or work with what is there like Storm. He can just create or stop incredible weather phenomenon without any effort and can create or stop them immediately through purely mystical means. Given enough time and effort I am sure Storm could match most of what Thor can do on a whim, but that still means Thor is on another level in terms of directly controlling the weather since he doesn't have to mess with all that work. The main reason you don't see a lot of weather feats from Thor is because he is so powerful outside of his weather control powers and usually doesn't need them. Why would he need to whip up a wide spread and destructive storm, tornado, or hurricane when a targeted super lightning bolt, Mjolnir, or even his bare fist can hit just as hard.[/QUOTE]
the difference ororo made mention to as you described above was explained by her well before her goddess/omega level reveal. I think, at least if we are to go off Hickman's definition for omega, if thor could trump her even in terms of power alone I dont think she would fit his definition of what an omega mutant is. as it currently stands ororos upper limit in regards to weather manipulation is not surmountable by any other.
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Hhhmmm Giant size X-Men age.
For the 05ers had to be 18 or 19 seeing how when they left ,they were all off to college or gradschool or of to the work place.
And I do believe there's a panel saying the 05ers where teens who became Younger Adults. And the New X-Men were older and experience and Didn't need to learn how to control their power but hone them.
So i'd say Pete was probably 19. Ororo freash 21.(remember she's younger but very mature.) Kurt is probably between her and Scott.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4880938]Hhhmmm Giant size X-Men age.
For the 05ers had to be 18 or 19 seeing how when they left ,they were all off to college or gradschool or of to the work place.
And I do believe there's a panel saying the 05ers where teens who became Younger Adults. And the New X-Men were older and experience and Didn't need to learn how to control their power but hone them.
So i'd say Pete was probably 19. Ororo freash 21.(remember she's younger but very mature.) Kurt is probably between her and Scott.[/QUOTE]
Oddly in my mind Storm is currently 28.
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What Len and Dave thought and what Chris thought, about their ages, was different. Len and Dave thought Peter should be the leader, and he and Ororo would date(Dave wanted Kurt to date her though), and be about the same age. Roy thought Wolverine was a teenager. Dave thought Nightcrawler was a real demon cast out from Hell. They had different ideas that didn't actually make it to the page. Also, you have to consider that comics were moving in almost realtime back then. Jean references 1969 during the Sentinel attack in NYC. When she dies at the end of the DPS, she was aged 24. But Scott was still 25 in the mid 90's, so unless the entire decade and a half from 1980-1995 only covers one year, Jean is retroactively younger during the DPS. Even now they are still about 27/28. It's a sliding timeline. It needs adjustments here and there.
Kurt turns 21 fairly early on in one of the annuals. Piotr is aged at 18 all the way in 1982 or so, when Deathbird and the Brood appear, so he could have been as young as 16 in Giant Size #1. Ororo is aged about 25 in the Cassidy Keep vs. Juggernaut story, which makes her about Scott/Jean/Warren's age. Sean is about the same age as Charles, maybe 40(old enough to have teenaged children).
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4880938]Hhhmmm Giant size X-Men age.
For the 05ers had to be 18 or 19 seeing how when they left ,they were all off to college or gradschool or of to the work place.
And I do believe there's a panel saying the 05ers where teens who became Younger Adults. And the New X-Men were older and experience and Didn't need to learn how to control their power but hone them.
So i'd say Pete was probably 19. Ororo freash 21.(remember she's younger but very mature.) Kurt is probably between her and Scott.[/QUOTE]
The O5 were early 20s by the end of the original 60s run. Havok graduated college in his first appearance (making him 20/21). Bobby was the same age as him and the rest were older
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880846]the difference ororo made mention to as you described above was explained by her well before her goddess/omega level reveal. I think, at least if we are to go off Hickman's definition for omega, if thor could trump her even in terms of power alone I dont think she would fit his definition of what an omega mutant is. as it currently stands ororos upper limit in regards to weather manipulation is not surmountable by any other.
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Interesting topic. Its like based on feats I do consider Thor more powerful than Storm, but not as skilled and their power base is so different. To me it’s basically Thor achieving weather effects (almost like Meruda) through either magical/the mother storm, which isn’t true weather manipulation/atmokinesis. Its more like following the laws of of a specialized type of magic vs managing the complex collaboration of natural forces that follow the rules of the natural universe. When I think of the omega level designation for others who are more comparable based on actually manipulating the fundamental elements (i.e. Iceman, Crystal, Meggan, Electro, etc) I think Storm is the strongest in this elemental category. The sledgehammer vs scalpel comparison is very fitting between her and Thor but I think she fills both in comparison to nearly all others.
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[QUOTE=Havok83;4881183]The O5 were early 20s by the end of the original 60s run. Havok graduated college in his first appearance (making him 20/21). Bobby was the same age as him and the rest were older[/QUOTE]
I was looking for the scan I think you posted a while back that said storm was older than iceman (or colossus/kurt) but I couldnt find it. do you recall this? if so can you post it? p
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4881218]Interesting topic. Its like based on feats I do consider Thor more powerful than Storm, but not as skilled and their power base is so different. To me it’s basically Thor achieving weather effects (almost like Meruda) through either magical/the mother storm, which isn’t true weather manipulation/atmokinesis. Its more like following the laws of of a specialized type of magic vs managing the complex collaboration of natural forces that follow the rules of the natural universe. When I think of the omega level designation for others who are more comparable based on actually manipulating the fundamental elements (i.e. Iceman, Crystal, Meggan, Electro, etc) I think Storm is the strongest in this elemental category. The sledgehammer vs scalpel comparison is very fitting between her and Thor but I think she fills both in comparison to nearly all others.[/QUOTE]
very good point and detailed observation rider!! I would agree with your latter point especially. I see her being able to use her abilities in a skillful manner, as well as destructive.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4880843]ok... only weather related feats:
1. manipulate Earth's EM field
2. create tornado, hurricanes, wind including fly using wind currents
3. create snow storms/blizzards/hail/flash freeze
4. heat area to create fires
5. manipulate ocean mediums, water manipulation
6. sense temperature shifts
7. detect unnatural storms, weather phenomenon
8. manipulate jet stream, air pressure
9. create flash floods out of thin air
10. manipulate relative humidity to dehydrate opponents
11. manipulate air to prevent sound from permeating area.
12. condense water vapor to create fog in large areas
13. thunderstorms/lightning/thunderclap
that's all I can think of off the top of my head lol[/QUOTE]
Good List. OK.
With or Without the Hammer Thor has NEVER shown to be able to do Numbers:
1
3
4
5
8
9
10
11
12
This Speaks for itself.
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4881218]Interesting topic. Its like based on feats I do consider Thor more powerful than Storm, but not as skilled and their power base is so different. [B]To me it’s basically Thor achieving weather effects (almost like Meruda) through either magical/the mother storm, which isn’t true weather manipulation/atmokinesis. [/B]Its more like following the laws of of a specialized type of magic vs managing the complex collaboration of natural forces that follow the rules of the natural universe. When I think of the omega level designation for others who are more comparable based on actually manipulating the fundamental elements (i.e. Iceman, Crystal, Meggan, Electro, etc) I think Storm is the strongest in this elemental category. The sledgehammer vs scalpel comparison is very fitting between her and Thor but I think she fills both in comparison to nearly all others.[/QUOTE]
To the BOLD:
EXACTLY. You hit the Nail on the Head.
To the Rest of the Comment:
Well, said and good point. Never really looked at it that way, but cool.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4881377]I was looking for the scan I think you posted a while back that said storm was older than iceman (or colossus/kurt) but I couldnt find it. do you recall this? if so can you post it? p
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I didnt post a scan but I have this which is the earliest indication of her age
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[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4881218]Interesting topic. Its like based on feats I do consider Thor more powerful than Storm, but not as skilled and their power base is so different. To me it’s basically Thor achieving weather effects (almost like Meruda) through either magical/the mother storm, which isn’t true weather manipulation/atmokinesis. Its more like following the laws of of a specialized type of magic vs managing the complex collaboration of natural forces that follow the rules of the natural universe. When I think of the omega level designation for others who are more comparable based on actually manipulating the fundamental elements (i.e. Iceman, Crystal, Meggan, Electro, etc) I think Storm is the strongest in this elemental category. The sledgehammer vs scalpel comparison is very fitting between her and Thor but I think she fills both in comparison to nearly all others.[/QUOTE]
To me, Storm's powers go deeper as she can manipulate subatomic particles to create weather affects. Whereas Thor just cheats and use [B]Magic[/B] ([I][U]the universal cheat code[/U][/I]) to accomplish similar feats.
This is the main reason why I never really considered him an elemental...he doesn't have a connection to his element. The weather just does what he say because of the Mother of Thunder/Storm.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4881807]To me, Storm's powers go deeper as she can manipulate subatomic particles to create weather affects. Whereas Thor just cheats and use [B]Magic[/B] ([I][U]the universal cheat code[/U][/I]) to accomplish similar feats.
This is the main reason why I never really considered him an elemental...he doesn't have a connection to his element. The weather just does what he say because of the Mother of Thunder/Storm.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
Which Begs the question is he even manipulating weather at all? I mean the Mother Storm seems to be doing everything. I think this point can be made when you look at the feats he's done without the Hammer.
And quite frankly..............he can't do anything but make Lightning and rain.
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[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4881807]To me, Storm's powers go deeper as she can manipulate subatomic particles to create weather affects. Whereas Thor just cheats and use [B]Magic[/B] ([I][U]the universal cheat code[/U][/I]) to accomplish similar feats.
This is the main reason why I never really considered him an elemental...he doesn't have a connection to his element. The weather just does what he say because of the Mother of Thunder/Storm.[/QUOTE]
Exactatiously.
Which is why that poorly written and contrived 'list' is so much rubbish.
You have a selection of Elementals and Crystal is not even numbered?
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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4881425]Good List. OK.
With or Without the Hammer Thor has NEVER shown to be able to do Numbers:
1
3
4
5
8
9
10
11
12
This Speaks for itself.[/QUOTE]
are you certain of this?? how can anyone argue that he is stronger when he hasn't done some of the basic aspects of her power set?
[QUOTE=Havok83;4881669]I didnt post a scan but I have this which is the earliest indication of her age
[img]https://i.imgur.com/EzzqiQi.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I had a scan from when she got bit by Dracula that placed her in her mids to eaky 20s. I would imagine she was in her 20s based upon this when she was recruited but
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4881807]To me, Storm's powers go deeper as she can manipulate subatomic particles to create weather affects. Whereas Thor just cheats and use [B]Magic[/B] ([I][U]the universal cheat code[/U][/I]) to accomplish similar feats.
This is the main reason why I never really considered him an elemental...he doesn't have a connection to his element. The weather just does what he say because of the Mother of Thunder/Storm.[/QUOTE]
interesting point. take his powers with the mother storm (via his hammer) away. doesnt he still have the ability to control the weather? wouldnt this mean he has a deeper connection to the weather?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4881911]are you certain of this?? how can anyone argue that he is stronger when he hasn't done some of the basic aspects of her power set?
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Do your research like I have.
I'll wait.....because I can guarantee he hasn't.
