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Storm isn't a conventional god. She has a piece of divine power passed through her bloodline, likely from the Elder God Oshtur, which is called her godhead. She is a mutant that can access innate magical abilities associated with standard gods like Thor, Ares, or Bast, children/grandchildren of Gaea (the sister of Oshtur). That makes her in a spiritual sense their cousin.
But where Thor's power isn't reliant on prayer I think it's been established the worship of others can increase his power. Storm on the other hand looks like she needs prayer for her god powers to work. But as we've seen in Shuri, when Ororo was in the vibranium mines and exposed to vibe coral she could manifest her divine powers without any worshippers.
That indicates to me that with enough training/effort she could use her divine magics independent of an outside source, much like regular gods do. So because Storm access the same type of Elder God-derived power as Thor she's technically still a goddess even though she's not a direct child of an Elder God.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174792]No. That's not how it works. It reminds me of an Xena episode when she was fighting the Greek gods. When the concept of Christianity started to take hold and less and less people worshipped the Greek Gods their powers started to diminish. The power of godhead is always there; however, the strength/power of said religion is only as strong as the faith in those who believe in said religion. That said, Ororos gift is always there but the more followers she has the greater her power will be. Since the Asgards has been worshipped since the dawn of humanity, as well as throughout the universe, that power will be much greater than those who believe in a lesser known diety.
And Chaos War and the image above would counter that narrative he does not require prayer. also see this:
bottom of the line prayer is interconnected to the mythos of asgard[/QUOTE]
People can and do pray to Thor but he doesnt need it be a god or access his powers. The prayer in the examples you posted are like a summon. If no one ever prayed again, he would still be an Asgardian god able to access his powers
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5174822]Storm isn't a conventional god. She has a piece of divine power passed through her bloodline, likely from the Elder God Oshtur, which is called her godhead. She is a mutant that can access innate magical abilities associated with standard gods like Thor, Ares, or Bast, children/grandchildren of Gaea (the sister of Oshtur). That makes her in a spiritual sense their cousin.
But where Thor's power isn't reliant on prayer I think it's been established the worship of others can increase his power. Storm on the other hand looks like she needs prayer for her god powers to work. But as we've seen in Shuri, when Ororo was in the vibranium mines and exposed to vibe coral she could manifest her divine powers without any worshippers.
That indicates to me that with enough training/effort she could use her divine magics independent of an outside source, much like regular gods do. So because Storm access the same type of Elder God-derived power as Thor she's technically still a goddess even though she's not a direct child of an Elder God.[/QUOTE]
1. I'm not sure saying she has a piece of divine power is an accurate description when she was described as being a bigger God than adversary, an ancient demon chaos God.
2. The scans don't lie. Asgardians power are dependent on their worshippers. The fact that they have been worshipped as long as they have as well as the amount of worshippers guve the facade they dont require prayer; however, ive provide instances of three different stories indicating his power is contingent on his followers.
3. Gods of marvel are powered by prayer. Here are a few others for thor
prays to gaia and she grants him more power,:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5629886-2525121554-56153.jpg[/img]
gods powering thor through prayer:
[img]https://i.redd.it/z127wgra878y.png[/img]
odin hearing prayers:
[img]https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Thor-1-Marvel-Comocs-fresh-start-spoilers-H.png[/img]
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[COLOR="#000080"]I thought this was all familiar. BK you brought up this prayer isht before and we debunked it.
Thor doesn't need prayer or worship for his power or existence. Maybe you should argue this point in the Thor appreciation thread?
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5174847]People can and do pray to Thor but he doesnt need it be a god or access his powers. The prayer in the examples you posted are like a summon. If no one ever prayed again, he would still be an Asgardian god able to access his powers[/QUOTE]
you must have missed the scan where he was brought back to life with the power of prayer. as I've stated asgard has been around since the beginning of humanity so I dont think there has been an instance in 616 where thor never had worshippers but its established that marvel gods are powered through prayer. not just storm.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174857]1. I'm not sure saying she has a piece of divine power is an accurate description when she was described as being a bigger God than adversary, an ancient demon chaos God.
2. The scans don't lie. Asgardians power are dependent on their worshippers. The fact that they have been worshipped as long as they have as well as the amount of worshippers guve the facade they dont require prayer; however, ive provide instances of three different stories indicating his power is contingent on his followers.
3. Gods of marvel are powered by prayer. Here are a few others for thor
prays to gaia and she grants him more power,:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5629886-2525121554-56153.jpg[/img]
gods powering thor through prayer:
[img]https://i.redd.it/z127wgra878y.png[/img]
odin hearing prayers:
[img]https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Thor-1-Marvel-Comocs-fresh-start-spoilers-H.png[/img][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Possible future Thor story. Not exactly canon. You'll notice that current Thor has a real arm not a metal one and there is no one worshipping Thor in his own book.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174858][COLOR="#000080"]I thought this was all familiar. BK you brought up this prayer isht before and we debunked it.
Thor doesn't need prayer or worship for his power or existence. Maybe you should argue this point in the Thor appreciation thread?
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I've posted multiple scans stating he requires prayer and no need to discuss it with thor fans. in fact some of these scans were provided from a discussion made by one,:
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/thor-153/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-god-in-marvel-1851229/[/url]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174860]you must have missed the scan where he was brought back to life with the power of prayer. as I've stated asgard has been around since the beginning of humanity so I dont think there has been an instance in 616 where thor never had worshippers but its established that marvel gods are powered through prayer. not just storm.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]And Odin has been on panel saying that he created man. So if he is powerful enough to create them he does not need their prayer to give him powers.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174863]I've posted multiple scans stating he requires prayer and no need to discuss it with thor fans. in fact some of these scans were provided from a discussion made by one,:
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/thor-153/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-god-in-marvel-1851229/[/url][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]So your argument is that without prayer and worship, Asgardians have no power correct?[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174861][COLOR="#000080"]Possible future Thor story. Not exactly canon. You'll notice that current Thor has a real arm not a metal one and there is no one worshipping Thor in his own book.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
as I've mentioned, its established within marvel lore that asgardians need and are powered by prayer, which is stated as such by thor fans. see previous link though not sure why I need to provide that as the scans I've already provided speak for themselves.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174857]1. I'm not sure saying she has a piece of divine power is an accurate description when she was described as being a bigger God than adversary, an ancient demon chaos God.
2. The scans don't lie. Asgardians power are dependent on their worshippers. The fact that they have been worshipped as long as they have as well as the amount of worshippers guve the facade they dont require prayer; however, ive provide instances of three different stories indicating his power is contingent on his followers.
3. Gods of marvel are powered by prayer. Here are a few others for thor
prays to gaia and she grants him more power,:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5629886-2525121554-56153.jpg[/img]
gods powering thor through prayer:
[img]https://i.redd.it/z127wgra878y.png[/img]
odin hearing prayers:
[img]https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Thor-1-Marvel-Comocs-fresh-start-spoilers-H.png[/img][/QUOTE]
A demon like Adversary is a fly compared to an Elder God. It makes perfect sense that a piece of Oshtur's power would allow Storm to overwhelm him. That fits with what we know from past books and Coates, who described Storm's power as a gift and heavily hinted at Oshtur in his run with the sky symbolism (walker of clouds, the blinding white light, etc.)
Asgardians were formed from the pre-conscious thoughts of mankind before humans even existed, they were formed from belief (in the loosest of terms, at least) but exist independent of prayer. They're definitely attuned to prayer and can be empowered by worship, but that isn't their sole power source. Your scans actually show that. Gods are born with innate powers they can enhance through standard magic, like Loki or Thor (who wields a mystical hammer).
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174867][COLOR="#000080"]So your argument is that without prayer and worship, Asgardians have no power correct?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
not exactly. their power would diminish. more worshippers equal more power and less would produce the opposite. as I mentioned when I referenced the Xena show, gods are only as powerful as the number of worshippers they have. in the case of asgard they have had innumerable worshippers since the dawn of humanity so there has never been a scenario where we have seen them without followers. their gift of godhead is always there.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174876]not exactly. their power would diminish. more worshippers equal more power and less would produce the opposite. as I mentioned when I referenced the Xena show, gods are only as powerful as the number of worshippers they have. in the case of asgard they have had innumerable worshippers since the dawn of humanity so there has never been a scenario where we have seen them without followers. their gift of godhead is always there.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Xena? Wha... c'mon BK stop this. Thor's power is not connected to how many people worship him. Show me on a consistent basis where people have prayed to Thor and Thor became more powerful. And as for the link you posted, here's a better one:
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/characters/thor-thor-odinson/in-comics"]https://www.marvel.com/characters/thor-thor-odinson/in-comics[/URL]
If anything, on over hundreds of ocassions, we've seen Thor rely on his inner strength to overcome odds.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174864][COLOR="#000080"]And Odin has been on panel saying that he created man. So if he is powerful enough to create them he does not need their prayer to give him powers.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Odin didn't create man. From man's consciousness were the gods formed by way of Atum:
[img]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a027f4defd5d55dfc0b4ce99c5d4c745.webp[/img]
[QUOTE=chief12d;5174873]A demon like Adversary is a fly compared to an Elder God. It makes perfect sense that a piece of Oshtur's power would allow Storm to overwhelm him. That fits with what we know from past books and Coates, who described Storm's power as a gift and heavily hinted at Oshtur in his run with the sky symbolism (walker of clouds, the blinding white light, etc.)
Asgardians were formed from the pre-conscious thoughts of mankind before humans even existed, they were formed from belief (in the loosest of terms, at least) but exist independent of prayer. They're definitely attuned to prayer and can be empowered by worship, but that isn't their sole power source. Your scans actually show that. Gods are born with innate powers they can enhance through standard magic, like Loki or Thor (who wields a mystical hammer).[/QUOTE]
1. That's anecdotal and not supported by canon. Roma stated life requires that Adversary exist and the extent of his power is still not fully understood
2. the scan above indicates man came first and from their consciousness in awe of autumn's wonder and glory were gods then formed.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174890]Odin didn't create man. From man's consciousness were the gods formed by way of Atum:
[img]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a027f4defd5d55dfc0b4ce99c5d4c745.webp[/img]
1. That's anecdotal and not supported by canon. Roma stated life requires that Adversary exist and the extent of his power is still not fully understood
2. the scan above indicates man came first and from their consciousness in awe of autumn's wonder and glory were gods then formed.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Check the link below:
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/thor-lore-tales-of-asgard"]https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/thor-lore-tales-of-asgard[/URL]
Humans did not conjure up the Asgardians.
But I digress, you may continue your debate. I see no further need to argue Thor "worshippers" in Storms thread.
Proceed. :cool:[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174884][COLOR="#000080"]Xena? Wha... c'mon BK stop this. Thor's power is not connected to how many people worship him. Show me on a consistent basis where people have prayed to Thor and Thor became more powerful. And as for the link you posted, here's a better one:
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/characters/thor-thor-odinson/in-comics"]https://www.marvel.com/characters/thor-thor-odinson/in-comics[/URL]
If anything, on over hundreds of ocassions, we've seen Thor rely on his inner strength to overcome odds.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
The Xena reference was to just explain the logic, which i think is how marvel has explained prayer and its place within the MU. I showed multiple scans that indicate prayer powers thor and or asgardians. if you're expecting me to find one specific to your request I'm not sure one exists that meet the exact statement you've made. I will look but I think there are enough instances just from the one I've shown that indicate asgardians are powered through prayer.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174899][COLOR="#000080"]Check the link below:
[URL="https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/thor-lore-tales-of-asgard"]https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/thor-lore-tales-of-asgard[/URL]
Humans did not conjure up the Asgardians.
But I digress, you may continue your debate. I see no further need to argue Thor "worshippers" in Storms thread.
Proceed. :cool:[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
the thor annual stated:
man came into being. first. and from their awe of atums work the gods were created. that's what the scans states.
this discussion appears to be struck in the effort to demonstrate storm as a goddess is different than thor because she can get powered through prayer. the point of my rebuttal is to demonstate thor and asgardians require prayer as well.
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I have no dog in this race at all but aren't all Asgardian's suppose to have super strength so what exactly really makes thor a god other than him claiming godhood. I mean i know Gaia is his mother etc but what has he done that has really been godly that like the sentry or someone else with super strength has been able to do. Honestly no shade the conversation just has me thinking about it, i mean i know he is at least half god from gaia but asgardians are a race of people like mutants are and a few of them claim to be gods
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5175096]I have no dog in this race at all but aren't all Asgardian's suppose to have super strength so what exactly really makes thor a god other than him claiming godhood. I mean i know Gaia is his mother etc but what has he done that has really been godly that like the sentry or someone else with super strength has been able to do. Honestly no shade the conversation just has me thinking about it, i mean i know he is at least half god from gaia but asgardians are a race of people like mutants are and a few of them claim to be gods[/QUOTE]
He's the son of the All-Father which places him above most and grants him access to powers beyond super strength
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This current topic underscores why Storm as Goddess (as written by Coates) can be less than ideal and even be problematic in the long-run for her character.
Storm in her most powerful moments...manipulating a galactic core, housing Eternity, defeating the Trion...clearly wasn't relying on prayer to achieve those feats.
Her status as an Omega basically supersedes any need for prayers and worship in order to tap into the full extent of her true powers.
When compared to her true mutant potential her divinity is less than interesting.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5175096]I have no dog in this race at all but aren't all Asgardian's suppose to have super strength so what exactly really makes thor a god other than him claiming godhood. I mean i know Gaia is his mother etc but what has he done that has really been godly that like the sentry or someone else with super strength has been able to do. Honestly no shade the conversation just has me thinking about it, i mean i know he is at least half god from gaia but asgardians are a race of people like mutants are and a few of them claim to be gods[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]What is it that you are expecting him to do? I mean Conan prays to his god Crom but Crom don't give a shit about you.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5175109]This current topic underscores why Storm as Goddess (as written by Coates) can be less than ideal and even be problematic in the long-run for her character.
Storm in her most powerful moments...manipulating a galactic core, housing Eternity, defeating the Trion...clearly wasn't relying on prayer to achieve those feats.
Her status as an Omega basically supersedes any need for prayers and worship in order to tap into the full extent of her true powers.
When compared to her true mutant potential her divinity is less than interesting.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't underscore storms character at all. All the writer has to do is differentiate the difference between her mutant abilities and her Divine powers. Because in the Marvel Universe there's a difference between being god-like and being an actual god.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5175109]This current topic underscores why Storm as Goddess (as written by Coates) can be less than ideal and even be problematic in the long-run for her character.
Storm in her most powerful moments...manipulating a galactic core, housing Eternity, defeating the Trion...clearly wasn't relying on prayer to achieve those feats.
Her status as an Omega basically supersedes any need for prayers and worship in order to tap into the full extent of her true powers.
When compared to her true mutant potential her divinity is less than interesting.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5175128][COLOR="#000080"][IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/sBl8Fowq0ErFC/giphy.gif[/IMG]
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let me just say you was right and im done. we will be in talks soon!
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5175120][COLOR="#000080"]What is it that you are expecting him to do? I mean Conan prays to his god Crom but Crom don't give a shit about you.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I don't know, i read a lot of modern thor, all of JAson Aaron run and have read many stories throughout my comic reading history and he has just never felt like a god. I mean hercules does, and has done godly things like holding up the world etc and most of the other gods actually sort of come off like that but Thor has just never seemed like anything more than bruiser with a magical hammer. I mean i know he is more but i can't really think of a story where he did anything that just felt godly. But that's just me. The conversation just got me thinking about it. He's basically a god because the books say he is, which is cool and a fact but hopefully one day he will get a story that actually shows it. As of now he's just really odin's best replacement but it's not like he is the ONLY one that can do it. Jane was Thor and did it better so it just makes ya wonder, what makes him a god other than just literal words.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5175189]I don't know, i read a lot of modern thor, all of JAson Aaron run and have read many stories throughout my comic reading history and he has just never felt like a god. I mean hercules does, and has done godly things like holding up the world etc and most of the other gods actually sort of come off like that but Thor has just never seemed like anything more than bruiser with a magical hammer. I mean i know he is more but i can't really think of a story where he did anything that just felt godly. But that's just me. The conversation just got me thinking about it. He's basically a god because the books say he is, which is cool and a fact but hopefully one day he will get a story that actually shows it. As of now he's just really odin's best replacement but it's not like he is the ONLY one that can do it. Jane was Thor and did it better so it just makes ya wonder, what makes him a god other than just literal words.[/QUOTE]
with as many super-powered beings running around marvel honestly I would find it hard distinguishing between a super-powered person and a god. that said, there are generally characteristics that gods possess that the regular superhero wouldn't.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5175189]I don't know, i read a lot of modern thor, all of JAson Aaron run and have read many stories throughout my comic reading history and he has just never felt like a god. I mean hercules does, and has done godly things like holding up the world etc and most of the other gods actually sort of come off like that but Thor has just never seemed like anything more than bruiser with a magical hammer. I mean i know he is more but i can't really think of a story where he did anything that just felt godly. But that's just me. The conversation just got me thinking about it. He's basically a god because the books say he is, which is cool and a fact but hopefully one day he will get a story that actually shows it. As of now he's just really odin's best replacement but it's not like he is the ONLY one that can do it. Jane was Thor and did it better so it just makes ya wonder, what makes him a god other than just literal words.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Did you read Simonson's Thor? If you want to get a good feel for Thor's godhood read his run. Best run of any comic series.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5175177]let me just say you was right and im done. we will be in talks soon![/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It's all good BK. :cool:[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5175203][COLOR="#000080"]Did you read Simonson's Thor? If you want to get a good feel for Thor's godhood read his run. Best run of any comic series.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I'll check it out because i was actually being serious. Like i can think of moments with Hercules and Aires and that may be because i'm closer to that lore in knowledge but i don't really get the whole asgardian thing or see thor as a god. I mean i know he is but i don't read him as one and sometimes i can take things very literal and i think his character is one of those cases. Even Jane imo was written as a god, i felt what she was willing to give and the art made those moments feel so grand.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5175204][COLOR="#000080"]It's all good BK. :cool:[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
but u don't know what I'm talking about lol
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5175198]with as many super-powered beings running around marvel honestly I would find it hard distinguishing between a super-powered person and a god. that said, there are generally characteristics that gods possess that the regular superhero wouldn't.[/QUOTE]
I guess i'm more talking about that feeling you get when your reading a story than facts if that makes sense. Logically i get it though.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5175210]I'll check it out because i was actually being serious. Like i can think of moments with Hercules and Aires and that may be because i'm closer to that lore in knowledge but i don't really get the whole asgardian thing or see thor as a god. I mean i know he is but i don't read him as one and sometimes i can take things very literal and i think his character is one of those cases. Even Jane imo was written as a god, i felt what she was willing to give and the art made those moments feel so grand.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Trust me, read Simonson's Thor. It's a good run - Vol. 1 #337 -#382. I guarantee, if you read this, you will have a greater appreciation for Thor.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5175212]but u don't know what I'm talking about lol[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Hmmm...okay, you gonna have to help me.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5175224][COLOR="#000080"]Hmmm...okay, you gonna have to help me.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
just remember these words in like a few more days it will all make sense trust me.
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[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5175109]This current topic underscores why Storm as Goddess (as written by Coates) can be less than ideal and even be problematic in the long-run for her character.
Storm in her most powerful moments...manipulating a galactic core, housing Eternity, defeating the Trion...clearly wasn't relying on prayer to achieve those feats.
Her status as an Omega basically supersedes any need for prayers and worship in order to tap into the full extent of her true powers.
When compared to her true mutant potential her divinity is less than interesting.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU!! This is why I wasn't that excited for the way Coates wrote her godhood. I don't want it related to people's faith in her.
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[QUOTE] I would love for more writers to write more interaction between Storm / Xavier / Magneto. I'm low key convinced that Xavier likes to choose Cyclops as his second-in-command so much because he realizes that storm would be more difficult to handle lol [/QUOTE]
Something I said in another thread and wanted to get y'alls thoughts on. That and I just want to some more interactions between Storm and Magneto because Gillen wrote some good dialogue between the two.
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[QUOTE=loke13;5175390]Something I said in another thread and wanted to get y'alls thoughts on. That and I just want to some more interactions between Storm and Magneto because Gillen wrote some good dialogue between the two.[/QUOTE]
I didn't really care for gillen's storm. she was way too preachy but that said I wouldn't mind more interactions between them though I've checked out of the xmen. wake me when the nightmare is over.
to the convo regarding her Trion, eternity feat and galactic core feat as impressive as those feats are none of those things would help her against a foe such as adversary.he can't be affected by natural based attacks so coates definitely gave her a new source of power to utilize.
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I am honestly stunned at how foolish comic readers can be, believing that God can exist without Prayers... OH MY GOD! In every single lore... pick any, Universal, Multiversal, Earth Realm, or any of the other nine realms, there is LITERALLY no depiction IN ANY of those worlds, where God exists without being believed in, one way or another which equals pray which equals Godhood... like seriously? Do you really believe that Thor doesn't need prayers? Grow up people, stop praising your favourite heroes blindly and start thinking logically and with your head!
Thor doesn't need prayers to use his Asgardian Physiciality or his Hammer. Still, literally, there is NO ONE in all multiversal, universal or nine realms including Earth, where people don't pray or believe in Thor... that why is he is a GOD.
For real, take even our lores, there is literally no god out there who doesn't need prayers to exist... like seriously... I am really pissed off at people who keep praying their favourite characters blindly making them being more powerful than what they really are. Thor needs prays to be a God; he doesn't need praises to use his Asgardiant Biology or Magic. There is a HUGE difference between those two!
Now those who want to believe that Thor doesn't need praises are free to believe so. Just like the same meaningless debate when Storm was depicted as potential Omega but not an Omega mutant even though her feats were clearly showing that she is an Omega Level mutant. This is exactly the same, you blindly wait for the writers to tell you straight in the eyes that all Gods need Prayers, but all you have to do is look back in his feats, in the way his story is constructed and everything in between.
Simple as that! Thor needs prays to access his Godhood powers. Storm needs prayers to access her Godhood powers. Even Gaia needs them. Tell me, is there any human in the Marvel Universe who doesn't praise the planet? I highly doubt it... this is pray, this is to believe, this is Godhood, and all of that goes to Gaia. Same goes for Oshtur, is there any sorcerer or sorceress which doesn't believe in Magic? Well, they believe, so they believe in Oshtur is simple as that. Even when they cast spells they call to Oshtur that is a pray as well. Even freaking games tell you so!
Take Skyforge. It literally explains how Godhood works... take Roman or Greek mythology, it tells you all. Take Asgardian mythology it tells you the same. You cannot be a God without believers, prays or anything like that. Yes, you have the title, but for any Godlike achievement you need power, you need prayers... that how it is...
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5175233]just remember these words in like a few more days it will all make sense trust me.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, you got me curious. Do you have some early tea on what to expect from Marauders #13 or another upcoming X-Men issue?
