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LOL it’s what he said, but I likes to stir the pot. :-)
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LOL it’s what he said, but I likes to stir the pot. :-)
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5066252]maybe shes an secret agent of arrakoa after being brainwashed while tricking the xmen into believing she is still on their side?
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yes I saw she had created her own version of "tarot cards". there is just so much I'm seeing connectiong storm i dont think these hints can be ignored.[/QUOTE]
And I know this is probably wrong, but I can't help but feel the MCU might be involved in this. Due to the Fox films we've already seen street urchin Storm and teacher/conventional hero Storm. Disney loves to do alternative takes on characters that audiences have already seen, which is why we're getting a 16 y/o Spider-Man that's a protegee of Iron Man.
The MCU would be smart to focus on the mythic aspects of her character and go all in on walkabouts, ancestral bloodlines, and rural Africa. This event could be a goldmine for Storm lore in the films, maybe even plot lines. Or at the very least it could get the ball rolling.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5066482]And I know this is probably wrong, but I can't help but feel the MCU might be involved in this. Due to the Fox films we've already seen street urchin Storm and teacher/conventional hero Storm. Disney loves to do alternative takes on characters that audiences have already seen, which is why we're getting a 16 y/o Spider-Man that's a protegee of Iron Man.
The MCU would be smart to focus on the mythic aspects of her character and go all in on walkabouts, ancestral bloodlines, and rural Africa. This event could be a goldmine for Storm lore in the films, maybe even plot lines. Or at the very least it could get the ball rolling.[/QUOTE]
VERY INTERESTING.
That sounds like a good possibility. I’d love for that to happen.
An ancestor, perhaps..
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you should give the coloring a go!!!
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;5066465]LOL it’s what he said, but I likes to stir the pot. :-)[/QUOTE]
I know but i still dont know her.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5066482]And I know this is probably wrong, but I can't help but feel the MCU might be involved in this. Due to the Fox films we've already seen street urchin Storm and teacher/conventional hero Storm. Disney loves to do alternative takes on characters that audiences have already seen, which is why we're getting a 16 y/o Spider-Man that's a protegee of Iron Man.
The MCU would be smart to focus on the mythic aspects of her character and go all in on walkabouts, ancestral bloodlines, and rural Africa. This event could be a goldmine for Storm lore in the films, maybe even plot lines. Or at the very least it could get the ball rolling.[/QUOTE]
I would be all in for that approach. she needs to be distinguishable from thor and foing that route would definitely be a way to do that. we've never seen her worshipped on the plains of Africa so if mcu were to be so bold I would love it.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5066637]you should give the coloring a go!!!
I know but i still dont know her.
I would be all in for that approach. she needs to be distinguishable from thor and foing that route would definitely be a way to do that. we've never seen her worshipped on the plains of Africa so if mcu were to be so bold I would love it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I will, eventually...
And Storm is already distinguishing from Thor, Thor usually uses his hammer and lightning, while Storm uses all aspects of the weather from breezes all the way to new ice age and flash freezes, Thor does none of that...
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That hair! I love you!
Storm should never, ever be in "flat" boots...ever again!
Dauterman knows how to draw a woman in heels...and I LOVE him for it.
So you guys remember when Jordan D. White was asked what to expect from storm in the new future and he said something along the lines of "couple." I really really hope the xoffices are not going to break up Ororo from Tchalla AGAIN! Seriously over that ish.
[[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2020/05/25/x-men-monday-quarantine-interview/[/url]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067177]So you guys remember when Jordan D. White was asked what to expect from storm in the new future and he said something along the lines of "couple." I really really hope the xoffices are not going to break up Ororo from Tchalla AGAIN! Seriously over that ish.[/QUOTE]
IF she gets more and he gets more, i'm good. One of my major problems with them appearing in a movie together is that it limits the exposure of black actors. Why not develope kenya for ororo and have a whole new cast of black actors and actresses rather than piggy back off him. If they break up in comics it does bode well for her not appearing in his movie, at least not in a romantic role. ^________^
In other stuff i went down the storm family rabbit hole. INteresting that her ancestory Ayesha who was a queen was also sorcecor supreme for 4000 years. Aside from agamatto has anyone else held the title so long?
[QUOTE=jwatson;5067190]IF she gets more and he gets more, i'm good. One of my major problems with them appearing in a movie together is that it limits the exposure of black actors. Why not develope kenya for ororo and have a whole new cast of black actors and actresses rather than piggy back off him. If they break up in comics it does bode well for her not appearing in his movie, at least not in a romantic role. ^________^
In other stuff i went down the storm family rabbit hole. INteresting that her ancestory Ayesha who was a queen was also sorcecor supreme for 4000 years. Aside from agamatto has anyone else held the title so long?[/QUOTE]
Their mythos are tied and has been since Claremont established they traveled together as kids. Them being lovers and exploring their combined connection wont take away from her development or incorporating aspects of her mythos separate from him.
and to your last question I have no idea but 4000 yrs is a long time so i would guess not.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067177]So you guys remember when Jordan D. White was asked what to expect from storm in the new future and he said something along the lines of "couple." I really really hope the xoffices are not going to break up Ororo from Tchalla AGAIN! Seriously over that ish.
[[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2020/05/25/x-men-monday-quarantine-interview/[/url][/QUOTE]
If it happens i'll be more than ok with it but if the coupling is replaced with another i still will be ok with it. I just dislike the couple prism Ororo is in recently. It is what it is we can't do anything about it
Whatever they come up with i hope it makes sense, it is compelling and entertaining.
[QUOTE=Tofali;5067209]If it happens i'll be more than ok with it but if the coupling is replaced with another i still will be ok with it. I just dislike the couple prism Ororo is in recently. It is what it is we can't do anything about it
Whatever they come up with i hope it makes sense, it is compelling and entertaining.[/QUOTE]
why do you dislike what she was recently in couple/relationship-wise?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067204]Their mythos are tied and has been since Claremont established they traveled together as kids. Them being lovers and exploring their combined connection wont take away from her development or incorporating aspects of her mythos separate from him.
and to your last question I have no idea but 4000 yrs is a long time so i would guess not.[/QUOTE]
And yet Claremont himself had a problem with them being together. So for me if the person who created it didn't want it that way and said so, i feel justified.
Yeah 4000 years is a LONG time. Apparently she was able to use magic to extend her life. Also interesting her other ancestor was the Empress of the Meroe People. I girl has the first Queens running through her blood. I think it's cool she is connected to all the first original civilizations of power the Meroe via Ashake (daughter of Ashake) No powers she was a flat out warrior, Egypt via Ashake , Magical abilities and looks just like Ororo, and Ayesha of Balobedu who was the first sorcereor supreme after agamatto. So far storm has walked a similar path to each at different times so it makes sense to me she would be the culmination of her ancestors potential power.
Also Apocalypse has had to have known a few of Ororo ancestors. We need some talk of this. Like i really feel we need a mini addressing him meeting a few of them.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5067220]And yet Claremont himself had a problem with them being together. So for me if the person who created it didn't want it that way and said so, i feel justified.
Yeah 4000 years is a LONG time. Apparently she was able to use magic to extend her life. Also interesting her other ancestor was the Empress of the Meroe People. I girl has the first Queens running through her blood. I think it's cool she is connected to all the first original civilizations of power the Meroe via Ashake (daughter of Ashake) No powers she was a flat out warrior, Egypt via Ashake , Magical abilities and looks just like Ororo, and Ayesha of Balobedu who was the first sorcereor supreme after agamatto. So far storm has walked a similar path to each at different times so it makes sense to me she would be the culmination of her ancestors potential power.
Also Apocalypse has had to have known a few of Ororo ancestors. We need some talk of this. Like i really feel we need a mini addressing him meeting a few of them.[/QUOTE]
1. For a man who wrote Ororo as being racially ambiguous and having her "bestfriend" she her as a slave, Claremont has not always got it right with her character especially from the perspective of the black experience. His primary concern was that they both have too big personalities to pair up but Coates obviously demonstrated that they could work and be written well together. So if Claremont is the baramoter then his opinion here is inaccurate and Coates is the evidence of that.
2. I'm really excited to see how ororo ties into all of this. It would make the most sense that it would be one of ancestors based upon all we know of Ashake (even its she is not involved).
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067224]1. For a man who wrote Ororo as being racially ambiguous and having her "bestfriend" she her as a slave, Claremont has not always got it right with her character especially from the perspective of the black experience. His primary concern was that they both have too big personalities to pair up but Coates obviously demonstrated that they could work and be written well together. So if Claremont is the baramoter then his opinion here is inaccurate and Coates is the evidence of that.
2. I'm really excited to see how ororo ties into all of this. It would make the most sense that it would be one of ancestors based upon all we know of Ashake (even its she is not involved).[/QUOTE]
1. Untrue. That is opinion. In that not everyone has a consus that Coates did it right. Not many if you think about the grand scheme of sales numbers. I would say in this case the creator of the initial interactions would have more merit on if it could work or should happen than the writings to follow.
One could also make the argument if it was so beloved then why did storm fans never jump off. If both fans of a group agree with how a pairing is being written together that should reflect in sales. The storm solo average anywhere from 15-20000 overall but those fans never jumped on bp.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5067273]1. Untrue. That is opinion. In that not everyone has a consus that Coates did it right. Not many if you think about the grand scheme of sales numbers. I would say in this case the creator of the initial interactions would have more merit on if it could work or should happen than the writings to follow.[/QUOTE]
I'm confused. what part is untrue that he wrote them well as a couple? regardless of sales professional critics (most not all) have stated that he in fact has written them as a great couple. even those who complain dont find issue because they are together but because they want to see tchalla do more without her aid, which is a separate issue.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5067281]One could also make the argument if it was so beloved then why did storm fans never jump off. If both fans of a group agree with how a pairing is being written together that should reflect in sales. The storm solo average anywhere from 15-20000 overall but those fans never jumped on bp.[/QUOTE]
hudlin characterization of ororo wasnt favorable by most storm fans; however, when mcduffie wrote her many of those fans had positive things to say with how he wrote them. bottom line if the main issue is that they both have two strong personalities and therefore cant work together then I think that is a flawed argument as there have been numerous stories both when they were and since it ended that would prove otherwise. moreover, how can one make that argument and the ship her to be with yukio, thor, wolverine, etc? all those characters have strong personalities as well so that logic doesnt quite make sense to me.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067215]why do you dislike what she was recently in couple/relationship-wise?[/QUOTE]
When the conversation about Ororo or what happens to her is only through a prism of her relationship it kind of leaves a lot to be desired character-wise. The relationship with T'Challa takes her and him away from their base of power (their own franchise) which weakens them both narrative-ly in the long run because one will have to be subordinate to the other story-wise as a result it has made Storm being a supporting character kind of a defining trait. By the way that is how i view the consequence of their relationship and i'm sure many ppl view it differently lol!
I guess i need a coupling that i can ignore and not subsume my fave character in to the category of a love interest
No not this dead end convo again .
What if Anubis was in a relationship with Ororo's ancestors. And is now just reclaiming his love through her.
[QUOTE=Tofali;5067303]When the conversation about Ororo or what happens to her is only through a prism of her relationship it kind of leaves a lot to be desired character-wise. The relationship with T'Challa takes her and him away from their base of power (their own franchise) which weakens them both narrative-ly in the long run because one will have to be subordinate to the other story-wise as a result it has made Storm being a supporting character kind of a defining trait. By the way that is how i view the consequence of their relationship and i'm sure many ppl view it differently lol!
I guess i need a coupling that i can ignore and not subsume my fave character in to the category of a love interest[/QUOTE]
for me I dont mind ororo having exposure beyond just the xmen as she should be a major player in the mu. considering their connection in the past them interacting is a lot more organic than say wolverine being possessed by Phoenix.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5067326]What if Anubis was in a relationship with Ororo's ancestors. And is now just reclaiming his love through her.[/QUOTE]
possible kinda like the mummy. that would be a cute idea
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067289]I'm confused. what part is untrue that he wrote them well as a couple? regardless of sales professional critics (most not all) have stated that he in fact has written them as a great couple. even those who complain dont find issue because they are together but because they want to see tchalla do more without her aid, which is a separate issue.[/QUOTE]
No one has a problem with them working together and that's basically all they did through Coate's run so his argument still stands. There has NEVER been a book where Storm and Tchalla were equally billed. not even by coates. All he did was guest appearances no different than BP teaming up with Thor except a bit more intimate. When there is a BP and Storm book or a Storm and BP book where both are billed as lead then and only then can we find out if Claremont was wrong.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5067326]What if Anubis was in a relationship with Ororo's ancestors. And is now just reclaiming his love through her.[/QUOTE]
Storm's ancestor probably wasn't giving him the time of day so now he's trying his hand at Ororo lol. That'd be an interesting twist.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5067359]No one has a problem with them working together and that's basically all they did through Coate's run so his argument still stands. There has NEVER been a book where Storm and Tchalla were equally billed. not even by coates. All he did was guest appearances no different than BP teaming up with Thor except a bit more intimate. When there is a BP and Storm book or a Storm and BP book where both are billed as lead then and only then can we find out if Claremont was wrong.[/QUOTE]
I dont think its realistic to expect Storm to have equal billing in a book that is entitled black panther. She doesn't even get equal billing in the xbooks but you cant blame that on Coates and her inclusion in black panther. in fact, her tenure in black panther has seen her receive development she has not had within the xbook since Claremont frankly, including her being established to a community of black people outside of being a mutant, or xmen, as well of course as the goddess/hadari yao storyline. For her not to have equal billing in his book and yet get the development she has simply is proof of the alternative point Claremont was trying to make.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067177]So you guys remember when Jordan D. White was asked what to expect from storm in the new future and he said something along the lines of "couple." I really really hope the xoffices are not going to break up Ororo from Tchalla AGAIN! Seriously over that ish.
[[url]https://aiptcomics.com/2020/05/25/x-men-monday-quarantine-interview/[/url][/QUOTE]
Well you know how I feel about their relationship so it doesn't bother me. As long as T'Challa isn't out here simping and Storm isn't cheating then everything's fine imo. But since T'Challa is supposed to appear in the issue right before Death's I think we'll eventually see where everyone stands. It could possibly be a fakeout.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5067391]Well you know how I feel about their relationship so it doesn't bother me. As long as T'Challa isn't out here simping and Storm isn't cheating then everything's fine imo. But since T'Challa is supposed to appear in the issue right before Death's I think we'll eventually see where everyone stands. It could possibly be a fakeout.[/QUOTE]
I think it is. it would really leave a sour taste in my mouth with what all Coates has done to repair that mess that was AvX that they would pull that stunt again. For their expressed love outside the xbooks I cant imagine what stunt they would try (if that was their intent) to break them up again.
And yes I know you would prefer them to be separate lol but by the goddess I hope it's jordan trolling again.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067398]I think it is. it would really leave a sour taste in my mouth with what all Coates has done to repair that mess that was AvX that they would pull that stunt again. For their expressed love outside the xbooks I cant imagine what stunt they would try (if that was their intent) to break them up again.
And yes I know you would prefer them to be separate lol but by the goddess I hope it's jordan trolling again.[/QUOTE]
Possibly. The way I look at it Coates was the only one really willing to play ball with the Storm-BP romance. It's hardly mentioned in the X-books and the sales on his recent run have been so atrocious that it's really not gonna matter much to either character long term.
I'm sure Marvel is happy to have some more material with them together in the off chance they adapt Coates' stories in another medium, but other than that I think he told the story he wanted to. With him gone and Hickman's X-Men chugging along with their own storylines, I think an amicable separation is ideal (and logical) for both characters.
Marauders 13 is gonna have a lot of explaining to do though, because if the plan is to break them up in that single issue things could get crazy. But the chances of this being a fakeout are high so have hope lol.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5067390]I dont think its realistic to expect Storm to have equal billing in a book that is entitled black panther. She doesn't even get equal billing in the xbooks but you cant blame that on Coates and her inclusion in black panther. in fact, her tenure in black panther has seen her receive development she has not had within the xbook since Claremont frankly, including her being established to a community of black people outside of being a mutant, or xmen, as well of course as the goddess/hadari yao storyline. For her not to have equal billing in his book and yet get the development she has simply is proof of the alternative point Claremont was trying to make.[/QUOTE]
Exactly the point i don't have a problem with it. Claremont is and was right. They have not had a book together yet. I'm not blaming anyone its just a fact. She was a guest star in Black Panther's book and that's all her wedding amounted to in terms of title. She got to be in BP's books. Cool. Claremont still right though, and it still hasn't even been attempted let alone done successfully.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5067425]Exactly the point i don't have a problem with it. Claremont is and was right. They have not had a book together yet. I'm not blaming anyone its just a fact. She was a guest star in Black Panther's book and that's all her wedding amounted to in terms of title. She got to be in BP's books. Cool. Claremont still right though, and it still hasn't even been attempted let alone done successfully.[/QUOTE]
well I dont think one can make an argument they cant work if a book where they both get equal billing has not been made. hudlin didn't necessarily do a good job in his characterization of Ororo but Coates has been praised for how he wrote them and rumors swirled he would get a solo for his handling of Ororo despite her not being in a book where she was receiving equal billing.
I would love to know what Clsremont thinks of Costes depiction of their relationship.
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It seems like there are two oppositions here for Storm's romance, for BP and Storm and against them... me personally, I think that building for both characters' achievable if BP loses his throne (for example Shuri takes it over) and he permanently joins the Avengers, and if Storm moves to the Avengers because of him, then they will have buildings.
Now, I do understand that most people are all about Storm must be part of the X-Men, but let us be realistic, if she is stuck with only one team, she will never grow and expand as she should. I am all for her switching teams between Avengers, Fantastic Four and even Guardians of the Galaxy. The more she expands the better, the more powerful she will grow.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5067579]It seems like there are two oppositions here for Storm's romance, for BP and Storm and against them... me personally, I think that building for both characters' achievable if BP loses his throne (for example Shuri takes it over) and he permanently joins the Avengers, and if Storm moves to the Avengers because of him, then they will have buildings.
[b]Now, I do understand that most people are all about Storm must be part of the X-Men, but let us be realistic, if she is stuck with only one team, she will never grow and expand as she should. I am all for her switching teams between Avengers, Fantastic Four and even Guardians of the Galaxy. The more she expands the better, the more powerful she will grow.[/b][/QUOTE]
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I tend to not care too much at the whole romance aspect within the X-books, but when Claremont teased the Wolverine/Storm pairing in his last X-Men run, it felt more like a natural progression of their close friendship than any of her relationships to date. when they actually did hook up, it happened at a bad time for both characters. Storm using Logan as a rebound after getting dumped and Marvel putting them together when it was already known they were about to kill Logan off months in advance. Kinda made you think what was the point. Anywho, if Marvel does decide to break up Storm and Black Panther(again), I say let her be single for a while and explore other aspects about her. Or if not I say give her and Bishop a shot, which was also teased way back when... or even wilder, let her date a normal citizen who's not super powered or anything. Wonder Woman has Steve Trevor, why can't Storm date ol' honorable Dave who runs a rec center and looks out for all the neighborhood kids lol.
Anyway, I drew another pic of Stormy... [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/kVRgPVS.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Sin Nick;5067695]I tend to not care too much at the whole romance aspect within the X-books, but when Claremont teased the Wolverine/Storm pairing in his last X-Men run, it felt more like a natural progression of their close friendship than any of her relationships to date. when they actually did hook up, it happened at a bad time for both characters. Storm using Logan as a rebound after getting dumped and Marvel putting them together when it was already known they were about to kill Logan off months in advance. Kinda made you think what was the point. Anywho, if Marvel does decide to break up Storm and Black Panther(again), I say let her be single for a while and explore other aspects about her. Or if not I say give her and Bishop a shot, which was also teased way back when... or even wilder, let her date a normal citizen who's not super powered or anything. Wonder Woman has Steve Trevor, why can't Storm date ol' honorable Dave who runs a rec center and looks out for all the neighborhood kids lol.
Anyway, I drew another pic of Stormy... [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/kVRgPVS.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That is an amazing art.
I don't know about the rest, I wasn't a fan of Storm and Wolverine romance. I believe she should do better, that my personal opinion of course. On the other hand I love Storm and Black Panther, he is the one who made her a Goddess, something which even Xavier couldn't give her and told her she is not. I don't know about Bishop and Storm, they don't seem fitting with their characters... with him traveling through time and space all the time, I highly doubt they will have time for themselves.
There are enough relationship shenanigans going on already...I wouldn't mind at all if Storm stays clear of such goings on and the writers focus on developing her powers and history.
Not everybody has to be in a soap opera emotional entanglement.
[QUOTE=The92Ghost;5067579]It seems like there are two oppositions here for Storm's romance, for BP and Storm and against them... me personally, I think that building for both characters' achievable if BP loses his throne (for example Shuri takes it over) and he permanently joins the Avengers, and if Storm moves to the Avengers because of him, then they will have buildings.
Now, I do understand that most people are all about Storm must be part of the X-Men,[B] but let us be realistic, if she is stuck with only one team, she will never grow and expand as she should. I am all for her switching teams between Avengers, Fantastic Four and even Guardians of the Galaxy. [/B]The more she expands the better, the more powerful she will grow.[/QUOTE]
Ironically its when Marvel started doing this with her is when she went downhill as a character and hasnt quite recovered
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