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[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5300303]Didn’t she need the sword to enter the competition? Our girl played a pretty large role in this round of saving the entire world so if anybody is still mad about the sword that nobody missed then that’s their fault.[/QUOTE]
Thats what she was told but the prophecy was a crock of sh-t and really just a game for Saturnyne to play with them. She was making up the rules as she went and the swords really didnt matter. If Storm didnt come with the sword, it wouldnt have mattered
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5300318]Thats what she was told but the prophecy was a crock of sh-t and really just a game for Saturnyne to play with them. She was making up the rules as she went and the swords really didnt matter[/QUOTE]
Storm didn't know that. *shrugs* And because they did show up with the swords, you don't know that.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5300322]Storm didn't know that. *shrugs*[/QUOTE]
She didnt but this ultimately showed that she doesnt really respect Wakanda, which should be a hard pill to swallow for them. Not only did you fight the Princess, disrespect our traditions and steal our sacred sword, but none of this even mattered because you foolishly allowed yourself to be manipulated and played into some mad woman's game which ultimately the sword had no significant impact on the outcome? Her judgement should be called into question. I dont see how the Wakandan royal family can just ignore all of this. Storm had good intentions but she got played for an idiot and Wakanda was the collateral damage that she was willing to wager . Thats how they likely will view this
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5300331]She didnt but this ultimately showed that she doesnt really respect Wakanda, which should be a hard pill to swallow for them. Not only did you fight the Princess, disrespect our traditions and steal our sacred sword, but none of this even mattered because you foolishly allowed yourself to be manipulated and played into some mad woman's game which ultimately the sword had no significant impact on the outcome? Her judgement should be called into question. I dont see how the Wakandan royal family can just ignore all of this. Storm had good intentions but she got played for an idiot and Wakanda was the collateral damage that she was willing to wager . Thats how they likely will view this[/QUOTE]
Your creating a whole story based on an assumption of what would be if the story didn't go how it went and the swords weren't brought. I mean it is what it is. The story was what it was. Storm had to save the world and did. Everything else is your head canon.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5300344]Your creating a whole story based on an assumption of what would be if the story didn't go how it went and the swords weren't brought. I mean it is what it is. The story was what it was. Storm had to save the world and did. Everything else is your head canon.[/QUOTE]
Its not a whole story that I made up. We know Wakanda's take their traditions seriously. We know they said no to Storm taking the sword and we know she defied them, fought and took Shuri out with her powers and stole it. We know T'Challa destroyed the Krakoan gate and severed ties with the X-men. Canonically Storm's relationship with Wakanda is not on good terms. It is what it is
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5300362]Its not a whole story that I made up. We know Wakanda's take their traditions seriously. We know they said no to Storm taking the sword and we know she defied them, fought and took Shuri out with her powers and stole it. We know T'Challa destroyed the Krakoan gate and severed ties with the X-men. Canonically Storm's relationship with Wakanda is not on good terms. It is what it is[/QUOTE]
It actually is, the part about her not needing the sword to save the world. You can't say that any one fighter would have been allowed to participate if they didn't bring their sword. That is your head canon and how Wakanda should feel seems to be based on that assumption that she betrayed them needlessly, which you are making up.
We also know Wakanda called Storm their goddess and we know she brought the sword back. So if they are still mad at her and feel they were betrayed thats on them and imo in a world where the man who drowned their nation still works with their king, funny.
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And we know exactly why it was written that way...contrived as it was...To basically separate Storm and T'Challa.
And He didn't severe ties with the X-Men...he said when she returns it will be as any other diplomatic delegate...meaning not as his lover with free and easy access.
She helped save her people...and in doing so, the world. She returned the sword. She left (knowing fully the cost of her decision and actions) to go live her best life.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5300369]It actually is, the part about her not needing the sword to save the world. You can't say that any one fighter would have been allowed to participate if they didn't bring their sword. That is your head canon and how Wakanda should feel seems to be based on that assumption that she betrayed them needlessly, which you are making up.
We also know Wakanda called Storm their goddess and we know she brought the sword back. So if they are still mad at her and feel they were betrayed thats on them and imo in a world where the man who drowned their nation still works with their king, funny.[/QUOTE]
If Storm wasnt allowd to enter the tournament bc she didnt have the sword, what would have been lost? Her point would have been forfeitted giving Dath an automatic win, not that it mattered bc Saturnyne was making up the rules, giving some battles multiple points, taking others away, etc... The tournament didnt matter to the actual outcome
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T'Challa has no reason to think much about what Storm did (and vice versa) because he determined that Storm taking the sword was necessary and he probably had more important issues to attend to. Why fight for a sword that he's confident his lover will return or continue to hold a grudge after the fact? He wasn't even there when she returned lol. There's like 20 world-destroying situations across the Marvel Universe at any given time, T'Challa knows the deal and Storm acted accordingly. It just wasn't on the optimal time table and their relationship suffered for it.
In response, T'Challa decided to revoke the special privileges Krakoa had by destroying the gate and normalizing movement between the two countries. Which is logical and fair, as Storm showed they could be used to cause harm to Wakanda. I take issue with certain elements but at the end of the day, it's an editorial initiative likely decided by both the Avengers and X-office. After a billion dollar film and a floundering solo by Coates, the Avengers editors probably wants to put the BP books more in line with the MCU. And with the X-Office wanting to do things with Storm, a split was needed immediately. That means the next BP solo probably introduces some version of Nakia and goes all James Bond while Storm flirts with Logan a bit and becomes a cosmic goddess. Truthfully no one is losing anything here lol.
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[QUOTE=Havok83;5300391]If Storm wasnt allowd to enter the tournament bc she didnt have the sword, what would have been lost? Her point would have been forfeitted giving Dath an automatic win, not that it mattered bc Saturnyne was making up the rules, giving some battles multiple points, taking others away, etc... The tournament didnt matter to the actual outcome[/QUOTE]
Ummm if storm wasn't able to participate she would not have been there to hold off the hordes of demons that bought the x-men time until the captain britain corps were able to remerge? Which also allowed time for Scott and Jean to get the rescue team together. And thats not even mentioning points and the fact that Selvath is under control because she took death out there.
Oh she also saved Apocalypse from Genesis who in the end if he was dead we would have a whole different ending.
All of which would not have happened if she was not allowed to participate for not having her sword.
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In fact..I would say everyone wins. (Except those who were only reading Black Panther for Storm appearances).
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5300394]T'Challa has no reason to think much about what Storm did (and vice versa) because he determined that Storm taking the sword was necessary and he probably had more important issues to attend to. Why fight for a sword that he's confident his lover will return or continue to hold a grudge after the fact? He wasn't even there when she returned lol. There's like 20 world-destroying situations across the Marvel Universe at any given time, T'Challa knows the deal and Storm acted accordingly. It just wasn't on the optimal time table and their relationship suffered for it.
In response, T'Challa decided to revoke the special privileges Krakoa had by destroying the gate and normalizing movement between the two countries. Which is logical and fair, as Storm showed they could be used to cause harm to Wakanda. I take issue with certain elements but at the end of the day, it's an editorial initiative likely decided by both the Avengers and X-office. After a billion dollar film and a floundering solo by Coates, the Avengers editors probably wants to put the BP books more in line with the MCU. And with the X-Office wanting to do things with Storm, a split was needed immediately. That means the next BP solo probably introduces some version of Nakia and goes all James Bond while Storm flirts with Logan a bit and becomes a cosmic goddess. Truthfully no one is losing anything here lol.[/QUOTE]
Which he rightfully did as you said, severing those personal short cuts. At this point the X-office left it in a place if Wakanda wants to have a problem with what happened it's on them.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5300430]Which he rightfully did as you said, severing those personal short cuts. At this point the X-office left it in a place if Wakanda wants to have a problem with what happened it's on them.[/QUOTE]
Well I highly doubt the next BP writer is going to go out of their way to incorporate the Krakoa status quo in their stories, where the X-office still plans on using Wakandans. SWORD is going to feature Wakandan representatives and the red coloring for Wakanda in HOX may hint that Hickman plans to feature them in the future. I could be entirely wrong though so we'll see.
If there is any exploration of the Wakanda-Krakoa status quo post-Marauders #13 it'll likely come from the X-office and if the Wakandans are adversarial in that story I fully plan on blaming the X-office. Not fictional characters. Since the way Ayala left them, there's no further reason for them to interact other than concocting more drama. The gates are destroyed, Storm and T'Challa are done, if the X-Office writes a story where some Wakandans come after Krakoa for revenge, then that falls to attacking the BP franchise for no discernable reason. There's no reason for these franchises to interact past that story.
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[QUOTE=chief12d;5300453]Well I highly doubt the next BP writer is going to go out of their way to incorporate the Krakoa status quo in their stories, where the X-office still plans on using Wakandans. SWORD is going to feature Wakandan representatives and the red coloring for Wakanda in HOX may hint that Hickman plans to feature them in the future. I could be entirely wrong though so we'll see.
If there is any exploration of the Wakanda-Krakoa status quo post-Marauders #13 it'll likely come from the X-office and if the Wakandans are adversarial in that story I fully plan on blaming the X-office. Not fictional characters. Since the way Ayala left them, there's no further reason for them to interact other than concocting more drama. The gates are destroyed, Storm and T'Challa are done, if the X-Office writes a story where some Wakandans come after Krakoa for revenge, then that falls to attacking the BP franchise for no discernable reason.[/QUOTE]
I agree. ^________^ If they write it it's just about two countries going to war but at this point your right, the X-side has no reason to go after Wakanda and if there is conflict in a future story presented by the x-side then your right, the x-office are dragging it on. But, if it does come to it, i am begging that Storm is not in that story at all. lol
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5300458]I agree. ^________^ If they write it it's just about two countries going to war but at this point your right, the X-side has no reason to go after Wakanda and if there is conflict in a future story presented by the x-side then your right, the x-office are dragging it on. But, if it does come to it, i am begging that Storm is not in that story at all. lol[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine that if we do get some sort of Wakanda-Krakoa war Storm won't be at the center of it lol. But let's just hope it doesn't happen since all the elements are in place to return to the post-marriage status quo of the two franchises pretty much never interacting or referencing each other. Now I do think there's probably gonna be some AvX 2.0 story to cap off Hickman's era. Though I don't think that would feature T'Challa and his kingdom as main antagonists, at least just looking at the scope of what Hickman's plans are. So Storm probably won't have too much to do with that.
