Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=jwatson;5058839]Im in agreement. Anyway you look at it Storm being taken out of the X-men line and playing supporting to Tchalla was a downgrade. There is no way around that. It will only work if she has her own book while he has his or she is prominent in the x-men. And yes the argument could be made she wasn't written well at the time but they still took more than they gave.[/QUOTE]

How does becoming a queen of a nation and playing a larger part of the MU a downgrade when she wasnt a major player in the xbooks taking orders from Cyclops/Emma/Jean? When ororo was in xtreme.she was solely doing that to find the diaries of destiny. Jean was running the school, she was the face of the franchise before Hudlin gave her access to being something more than a foot soldier for xfriends

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058849]How does becoming a queen of a nation and playing a larger part of the MU a downgrade when she wasnt a major player in the xbooks taking orders from Cyclops/Emma/Jean? When ororo was in xtreme.she was solely doing that to find the diaries of destiny. Jean was running the school, she was the face of the franchise before Hudlin gave her access to being something more than a foot soldier for xfriends[/QUOTE]

It took her away from her home base. Storm's fans are mainly x-men fans and x-men fans are larger than bp fans so on exposure alone she lost. But i'm not really going to go over all the same stuff over again. We are on opposite sides of this one but we ulimately want what we think is best for Storm. For me why couldn't it be both. Or why couldn't she get top billing in the book or a whole new title about them both. Storm will never be supporting for me, never.

And just because i'm pretty consistent on my thoughts of this. To me i was done with Beyonce after "Cater to you..." lmao.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5058776]Also important article, right here: [URL="https://www.marvel.com/comic-events/empyre"]Empyre[/URL]. Check the video.

I am disturbed by one of the sentences, "A king must fall." and then they show BP... I think T'Challa will lose his throne in this issue.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't have a throne to lose. He's ceremonial. Lol.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5058852]It took her away from her home base. Storm's fans are mainly x-men fans and x-men fans are larger than bp fans so on exposure alone she lost. But i'm not really going to go over all the same stuff over again. We are on opposite sides of this one but we ulimately want what we think is best for Storm. For me why couldn't it be both. Or why couldn't she get top billing in the book or a whole new title about them both. Storm will never be supporting for me, never.[/QUOTE]

Why can wolverine be all of the MU and it not impact him being at home base but for some reason it couldnt work with Storm? I dont believe because she was being written in BP she couldnt be used in the xoffices. The writers then wanted Cyclops and Emma to run the show. Having Ororo around wouldnt have changed the trajectory of the character because when she was written on the team she was doing so as a supporting character. Astonishing Xmen is evidence of this.

And your further point is what I'm saying. Ororo should have been doing things in BP while also being an important part of the Xmen. Somewhat how we are now seeing. The bottom of the line is if writers and the creative forces want her involved she will be. If Carol, Hulk, Spiderman, Thor, Wolvervine and Iron Man can do it I dont see why the same is not true of her. Luckily it seems Marvel is beginning to change that in regards to her larger presence in the MU.

[QUOTE=Cville;5058861]He doesn't have a throne to lose. He's ceremonial. Lol.[/QUOTE]

I think a king must fall is more him dying and not him losing his ceremonial throne :/

[QUOTE=jwatson;5058857]And just because i'm pretty consistent on my thoughts of this. To me i was done with Beyonce after "Cater to you..." lmao.[/QUOTE]

cater to you was a bomb song. its nothing wrong with catering to your boo thang. some people get into that sub/dom stufff. I never watched but wasnt what fifty shades of gray was about? lol

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058844]I dont recall their writings of her do you know any particular issues they made have written her so I cam give a fair assessment?[/QUOTE]

I am not on you with comics, I just thought that perhaps you read stuffs from them with Storm.

[QUOTE=Cville;5058861]He doesn't have a throne to lose. He's ceremonial. Lol.[/QUOTE]

As far as I am aware T'Challa is still the King of Wakanda after his most recent issue of Black Panther.

Getting back to the Avengers. Does this seem familiar to you guys?

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To me it looks like Thor is using speech to summon Rain, just like Storm did back in the 90's in TAS show.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5058870]I am not on you with comics, I just thought that perhaps you read stuffs from them with Storm.



As far as I am aware T'Challa is still the King of Wakanda after his most recent issue of Black Panther.

Getting back to the Avengers. Does this seem familiar to you guys?

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To me it looks like Thor is using speech to summon Rain, just like Storm did back in the 90's in TAS show.[/QUOTE]

oh I see no I haven't but I think al ewing has a big following of supporters that would vouch for his writing. this doesnt mean he would do storm justice though.


and I didnt read that issue but I recall seeing the panel. I didnt quite get what was going on honestly lol. it seemed like iron man was challenging thors divinity.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5058047]I don't want to bump into this, but I also checked that photo and I didn't see a link, I even checked the Instagram post and I still didn't see a link, therefore I have zero idea what was the referred reading order for Storm, therefore, I withheld myself from commenting. Even though I really wanted to check if I read everything, I believe having a link or precise screenshot of the recommendations would have been much easier to understand.[/QUOTE] It is literally RIGHT in the centre of their main instagram page.
Here, I have circled it in red so you can understand what to press:

[QUOTE=misty101;5058890]It is literally RIGHT in the centre of their main instagram page.
Here, I have circled it in red so you can understand what to press:[/QUOTE]

now that wasn't so hard to do now was it? I still cant see it because i dont have Instagram but thank you for making it more clear where to go to see the list!!

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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058895]now that wasn't so hard to do now was it? I still cant see it because i dont have Instagram but thank you for making it more clear where to go to see the list!!

(^_^)[/QUOTE] My pleasure. It's important that people read Storm's past, i don't think she was handled right between Gillen and Hickman so people need to see who she really is, what she's capable of, how formidable she is and what she means to the X-Men.
In Days of Future Past movie, when the sentinels attack the final X-Men, Storm is the first to go down with a stab in the back. This is NOT how Storm goes down, Storm is known to ALWAYS be the last mutant standing. Always. In every event. Dark Phoenix, X-Tinction, Messiah Complex. She doesn't go out like a punk ass bitch.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058868]I think a king must fall is more him dying and not him losing his ceremonial throne :/



cater to you was a bomb song. its nothing wrong with catering to your boo thang. some people get into that sub/dom stufff. I never watched but wasnt what fifty shades of gray was about? lol[/QUOTE]
it's cool but you not about to get me all gassed up with "Single ladies. Survivor, and the list goes on. " and then you trying to have me bumping to being a certified waitress. No i. lol And i didn't watch it either but yeah sometimes action is just better than words. lol

[QUOTE=vladko92;5058870]I am not on you with comics, I just thought that perhaps you read stuffs from them with Storm.



As far as I am aware T'Challa is still the King of Wakanda after his most recent issue of Black Panther.

Getting back to the Avengers. Does this seem familiar to you guys?

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To me it looks like Thor is using speech to summon Rain, just like Storm did back in the 90's in TAS show.[/QUOTE]

Cerimonial. They've haven't outlined what responsibilities he actually has now. They just write him as if nothings changed. Writers are only committed to it in words. So if he loses the throne and lives, nothing changes. Lol.

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[QUOTE=misty101;5058899]My pleasure. It's important that people read Storm's past, i don't think she was handled right between Gillen and Hickman so people need to see who she really is, what she's capable of, how formidable she is and what she means to the X-Men.
In Days of Future Past movie, when the sentinels attack the final X-Men, Storm is the first to go down with a stab in the back. This is NOT how Storm goes down, Storm is known to ALWAYS be the last mutant standing. Always. In every event. Dark Phoenix, X-Tinction, Messiah Complex. She doesn't go out like a punk ass bitch.[/QUOTE]

I really dont like that about instagram that they try to force you to create an account to see the content lol. And agreed to your point about storm not going down first. What would you say is the most important storm story that readers who want to know who she is should read?

[QUOTE=jwatson;5058901]it's cool but you not about to get me all gassed up with "Single ladies. Survivor, and the list goes on. " and then you trying to have me bumping to being a certified waitress. No i. lol And i didn't watch it either but yeah sometimes action is just better than words. lol[/QUOTE]

lolol a mess!!!! lololol

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058921]I really dont like that about instagram that they try to force you to create an account to see the content lol. And agreed to your point about storm not going down first. What would you say is the most important storm story that readers who want to know who she is should read?[/QUOTE] For me, the most important Storm story of all time is Lifedeath.
How does a mutant fare when they lose their powers? This was an important storyline and Claremont chose to give it to Storm. There were a number of X-Men he could have gave the story to, but he chose her for a reason. Because she could handle it. This story showed the strength of the character, how she is not just defined by her powers to control the weather, and how she deals with loss.
This story showed us why it is important for Storm to be an X-Man and why the X-Men need her. How she was able to carry on in life.
No story defines the character like this one, a truly magnificent comic book. Oh, and of course the art.

For pure fun (even though it's not in the guide), one of my favourite Storm issues is X-Men 205 just for that magnificent spread of Storm Vs. Sinister and the Marauders/Acolytes.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5058839]Im in agreement. Anyway you look at it Storm being taken out of the X-men line and playing supporting to Tchalla was a downgrade. There is no way around that. It will only work if she has her own book while he has his or she is prominent in the x-men. And yes the argument could be made she wasn't written well at the time but they still took more than they gave.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jwatson;5058852]It took her away from her home base. Storm's fans are mainly x-men fans and x-men fans are larger than bp fans so on exposure alone she lost. But i'm not really going to go over all the same stuff over again. We are on opposite sides of this one but we ulimately want what we think is best for Storm. For me why couldn't it be both. Or why couldn't she get top billing in the book or a whole new title about them both. Storm will never be supporting for me, never.[/QUOTE]

I 1000% agree with both posts. I will always be a fan of both Ororo and T'Challa but their relationship always ruins my enjoyment of both. It is not symbiotic. I disliked T'Challa in the Hudlin run and AvX and when they reconciled i disliked Ororo in Coates' run. Someone always loses in their dynamics.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058709]how was it a step backwards? can you explain? I can think of like 10 or so reasons why it did the opposite. I am assuming you are in agreement with the points made on the Twitter post yes?[/QUOTE]

You assume correctly. It took her from a place of power to play second fiddle to a character that otherwise wouldn't get the time of day. She was his cheerleader ffs. And her mythos with Wakanda was forced to make sure that she and BP are forever tied. The only link they had was her saving his ass back when they were kids and them crushing on each other. That was it. Anything more was Marvel saying: "How can we make BP interesting? Oh, I know. Marry him to Storm! She has way more pull than him."

[QUOTE=misty101;5058931]For me, the most important Storm story of all time is Lifedeath.
How does a mutant fare when they lose their powers? This was an important storyline and Claremont chose to give it to Storm. There were a number of X-Men he could have gave the story to, but he chose her for a reason. Because she could handle it. This story showed the strength of the character, how she is not just defined by her powers to control the weather, and how she deals with loss.
This story showed us why it is important for Storm to be an X-Man and why the X-Men need her. How she was able to carry on in life.
No story defines the character like this one, a truly magnificent comic book. Oh, and of course the art.

For pure fun (even though it's not in the guide), one of my favourite Storm issues is X-Men 205 just for that magnificent spread of Storm Vs. Sinister and the Marauders/Acolytes.[/QUOTE]

Excellent choice. I like this story because I feel on a human level we can all identify with a feeling of hitting a low point, whether its romantically, emotionally, financially, physically, etc. and it shows how one even when you lose it all you can stand tall in your struggles and still thrive.

I need to reread the 205 issue again she was powerless at that point too right?

[QUOTE=superjosh;5057901]The first X-Men trading card series first expanded the power grids to include more rounded categories. I always thought it was her intelligence and fighting ability that should have been bumped up.

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The series also classified and set the standard for Storm's powers as being mental rather than energy based.[/QUOTE]

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Golly! Looks like Jean Grey has identical stats to Ororo...[/center]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058956]I need to reread the 205 issue again she was powerless at that point too right?[/QUOTE] No, it's the Messiah Complex issue.

[QUOTE=seccruz;5058955]You assume correctly. It took her from a place of power to play second fiddle to a character that otherwise wouldn't get the time of day. She was his cheerleader ffs. And her mythos with Wakanda was forced to make sure that she and BP are forever tied. The only link they had was her saving his ass back when they were kids and them crushing on each other. That was it. Anything more was Marvel saying: "How can we make BP interesting? Oh, I know. Marry him to Storm! She has way more pull than him."[/QUOTE]

I dont think your assessment is a fair one. Aside from what priest wrote it was established in uncanny xmen that Ororo was the only person he trusts to help him when hes in trouble:

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this connection goes beyond just simple flirtation. it started with Claremont and continued to develop as other writers added layers to it.

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Golly! Looks like Jean Grey has identical stats to Ororo...[/center][/QUOTE]

how her energy level would be a 1 makes absolutely zero sense lol. I would love to know what the creators used as a reference to come up with their ratings.

[QUOTE=misty101;5058971]No, it's the Messiah Complex issue.[/QUOTE]

I gotcha that was nice showing her take on sinister and his team by herself. I though messiah complex came much later in uncanny though than issue 205 right?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058975]I gotchs that was nice showing her take on sinister and his team by herself. I though messiah complex came much later in uncanny though than issue 205 right?[/QUOTE] It's not Uncanny, it's X-Men.

[QUOTE=misty101;5058983]It's not Uncanny, it's X-Men.[/QUOTE]

oh well that explains it thank you!

Not the reason you posted those scans, but can I just say I love the dialogue between Jean and Henry. I think that kind of introspection is what this current era needs a bit more of.

[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5059057]Not the reason you posted those scans, but can I just say I love the dialogue between Jean and Henry. I think that kind of introspection is what this current era needs a bit more of.[/QUOTE]

I see what you mean but honestly in these times not me. I am just burnt out on having to be twice as good, twice as smart, twice as understanding for hateful people that bury their head in the sand. I'm still willing to have a conversation but you can only examine yourself so much before you really realize it's the other side that has the problem.

[QUOTE=vladko92;5058776]Also important article, right here: [URL="https://www.marvel.com/comic-events/empyre"]Empyre[/URL]. Check the video.

I am disturbed by one of the sentences, "A king must fall." and then they show BP... I think T'Challa will lose his throne in this issue.[/QUOTE]

I thought it would be Hulkling since the Kree and Skulls chose him to be their new king but I haven't really kept up with all the Empyre stuff so I'm probably guessing wrong.

[QUOTE=twisted sun;5059088]I thought it would be Hulkling since the Kree and Skulls chose him to be their new king but I haven't really kept up with all the Empyre stuff so I'm probably guessing wrong.[/QUOTE]

You could be right.

[QUOTE=jwatson;5059079]I see what you mean but honestly in these times not me. I am just burnt out on having to be twice as good, twice as smart, twice as understanding for hateful people that bury their head in the sand. I'm still willing to have a conversation but you can only examine yourself so much before you really realize it's the other side that has the problem.[/QUOTE]

100% agree. I more-so meant I’d like to see what the characters are feeling regarding their new situation, not that I need them second guessing themselves cause they’ve earned paradise after all these years.

[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5059599]100% agree. I more-so meant I’d like to see what the characters are feeling regarding their new situation, not that I need them second guessing themselves cause they’ve earned paradise after all these years.[/QUOTE]

Totally see what you mean. It would be good to get more of the characters thoughts on the situation. They should do a day in the life of Krakoa where every issue follows a mutant and their day to day life on krakoa. I'd buy. It would also be a great way to introduce us to all the mutants on krakoa and give them a short data sheet for character development.

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"A King must fall" shows a sword splitting T'Challa's helm.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;5058415]I think at 5'11", strong and thin build, Ororo should be somewhere at 145-150lbs. I'm 6', and I'm barely 160lbs. If Storm were supermodel skinny, she's be about 120lbs(like Anok Yai, who is 5'10"), so those old numbers weren't too far off.

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yeah she's pretty and all but she's a supermodel they're supposed to be skinny. I think that's too skinny for a regular woman. I don't like seeing hip bones when someone is walking. Looks malnurished to me.

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[QUOTE=metalclouds;5059885]yeah she's pretty and all but she's a supermodel they're supposed to be skinny. I think that's too skinny for a regular woman. I don't like seeing hip bones when someone is walking. Looks malnurished to me.[/QUOTE]

I also think Ororo would have more meat on her bones. Anok is very skinny. But even if we look at real athletes, given Ororo's skillset, maybe we can compare her to martial artists, gymnasts, or swimmers, or even basketball players, 5'11" and 140-160lbs should be right on(which is 20-40lbs more than Anok on the same frame, which is more than enough for a little muscle and a little more hips/bust).

Look at Maya Moore, for example. She's 6' and about 174, and I think she's more built than Ororo usually is depicted as.

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Kerri Walsh Jennings is several inches taller than Ororo at 6'3", has a similar build, and weighs about 156lbs.

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At 5'9", Serena Williams is a little shorter than Ororo, built more powerfully than Ororo is typically depicted as, and weighs about 154.

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is there any books storm will be appearing in tomorrow?

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are these new action figures?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5060363]are these new action figures?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they were just revealed today on a live-stream. It's going to be a Target exclusive apparently.

[QUOTE=Dipter;5060365]Yeah, they were just revealed today on a live-stream. It's going to be a Target exclusive apparently.[/QUOTE]

ooop ooop!! I gonna have to get me one!!! thank you for sharing boo! I saw an image of it from a friend but thought it was an older toy.