Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4857124]Lol...I like the lion part.

I'm assuming this is when it happened.

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Yup. It is. And I remember me and you where talking about that little Lightning trail behind her.

Ororo was also the first one to talk to serafina....

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857128]Yup. It is. And I remember me and you where talking about that little Lightning trail behind her.[/QUOTE]

True. True. Good week for Storm fans.

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4857144]True. True. Good week for Storm fans.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... I guess it was.

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4857124]Lol...I like the lion part.

I'm assuming this is when it happened.

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Thanks. I did wonder how or when she was infected. This makes sense.

Off to see the wizard. Wait for me on for spoilers reviews and just general convo.

[QUOTE=Havok83;4856571]LOL...for real. How much does Storm get paid to welcome all the resurrected mutants to Krakoa? I think we've seen her do it for every situation but one

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That is one of the ugliest drawings i've ever seen of Storm lol

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4856825]omg omg omg omg omg.

coates fucking slayed today do you hear me??????




hickman was icing on the cake!!!! today has been glorious!!!![/QUOTE]
How? I didn't see any slayage in the panels posted but I guess there's some things I haven't seen yet.

IDA. I thought Yu did fine with her today

AH. HAFF. DA POWER!!!!!! Ok rushing home to read all four issues.

[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4856954]Spill all of the tea! I canÂ’t get to my LCS for 6 more hours!!!!...[/QUOTE]

So I will reveal the Storm specific spoilers for the issues that matter in the order I read them. The first book was BP and the second Giant Size.

Black Panther
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This issue starts in the past, showing us how Nakia first joined the rebels fighting against N'Jadaka. The issue then jumps to the present where we see Nakia and her forces protecting the gate that will send Njadaka and his fleet directly to Wakanda prime.

We then jump to the ship Shuri is commanding, where Ororo is also located. Shuri tells Hodari that Ororo has more to give and we then see Ororo meditating (while levitating) in a close quarters room. Behind her we see several newly grown plants behind her. The scene then cuts to Killmonger and Njadaka were they have an internal discussion about their plans ( Njadaka consciousness resides within Killmonger). Njadaka then comments on it getting hot.


We then get a flashback Nyami (I believe this is her name) reveals she doesnt trust Nakia and wants to know why she joined the rebels. It immediately cuts back to the current battle and the Shuri and her forces are nearing defeat. We see Ororo again meditating and the flowers behind her have noticeably and significantly grown. Nakia's able to take down some targets but she needs more time before she make another attack. This is where Shuri tells storm its time. The plants have now completely almost covered the room where we only see ororos face.

Storm is then shown explaining what she has been doing. She explains she has been building a rapport with all the energies of Njadakas fleets and its life support, and its microclimates. I would add I think she was connecting with all the energies of the this part of the galaxy and she needed more time to specifically target Njadakas fleets. Ororo effectively manipulates the environment removing the conditions they need to sustain life on tNjadaka ships resulting in the life support alarm to be triggered; however, Njadaka is able to survive the assault. Nakia then reveals she was intended to spy the rebels for Njadaka but after fighting with them she grew to support their cause. She then seemingly sacrifices herself to prevent Njadaka and his fleet from going through the gate.

Now to what Storm specifically did. I dont see this as her simply using her mutant power. Shes never been shown to be able to cause plants to grow, especially at the rate we see here. Shuri keeps commenting on ororo being a goddess and I believe her tapping into her godhead, the energies that emanated from her resulted in this rapid growth. I will say I would believe she could do the attack she did on all the fleets using her own power; however, I think the plant growth and Shuris dialogue before we see Storm in action are meant to show us were seeing goddess storm in action


I also want to add I was right about Nakia being a spy lol[/spoil]


Giant Size
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The issue starts with two mutant children noticing and eruption of power. They discover that it is storm. Emma and Jean both walk past Logan and Scott to enter a chamber where Ororo is laying. They both enter into her mind. We then see them appear before a baobab tree with ororos headdress hovering above it. Its tranquil and serene but Ororos mind senses a threat and tries to repel it. Jean and Emma proceed deeper into her mind.

Jean and Emma appear before two protectors of Ororos mind that appear in a form of a white manned lion and a white lioness. (From talking to fellow storm friends this is a callback to Marvel Teamup 100 where Tchalla refers to Ororo as his white haired lioness). The lions look at Jean and Emma. Jean let's them know they are friends. However the lions first have to test this. They first look at jean and Ororos embrace of Jean when she returned from the dead in Inferno. The male lion smiles. The lioness then looks at Emma, and their battle where Storm zaps Emma after Ororo successfully returns to her body when Emma stole it is shown. Emma shrugs her shoulder like I dont know what to tell you boo (which I found to be funny). The lions then turn to snakes and attack both Jean and Emma. This is a pure display of her mental defenses being able to combat two telepaths as powerful as them. The snakes bat away Jean and focus on taking out Emma who has to turn diamond to prevent herself from being killed. Jean then successfully takes away the anger Ororo has for Emma, and reveals Ororo strength and inner beauty (willpower) which appears in the form of a elephant with butterfly wings. It then carries them both to the baobab tree where they enter it.

They both attempt to go deeper in her mind but ororo still resist where they both are buried alive in complete darkness. This again is a testament to Ororos willpower being able to resist their efforts to enter her mind. They both use their powers together and they are able to break free. They then go deeper until they see a resurrection pod. They pull a flower from the broken pod and fully naked storm appears. She then immediately starts to decay, where a timer is displayed on her forehead. Ororo cries out to them asking them to save her via lightning. Jean and Emma embrwce storm. They then leave her mind and the chamber where they tell scott and Logan she only has 30 days to live[/spoil]

These issues both were so amazing to me as a storm fan!!! I simply have been blown away by how great they both were. Coates and Hickman truly outdid themselves. Coates expounded on the power that is the goddess and showed just how dangerous she can be while doing yoga bitches!!! Hickman showed us the beauty and power of Ororos mind. We saw glimpses of those things she values through several past events in canon. That was something I truly valued the most from the issue but we also saw her strength in will to resist Jean and Emma in the way she did. And the art was AMAZING!!! I couldnt ask for anything more!!!

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4857144]True. True. Good week for Storm fans.[/QUOTE]

this was an amazing week for storm fans!!!!!! Coates adding another layer to Ororos ability. Hickman showing us the beauty and power of Ororos mind!!! I simply am on cloud 9!!!

[QUOTE=Veitha;4857056]Yeah I think it's more Omega than divine stuff. And I low-key think that making it an Hadary Yao feat would take away from it hahaha[/QUOTE]

when has Weather manipulating storm been able to cause plants to grow at the rate at which they did? How would her power as a mutant even allow that ?

I respectfully disagree. I most definitely think her mutant abilities could replicate the same thing we saw with the attacks on the ship; however, I dont think it takes away from what occurred. The plants- to me at least - clearly is the indicator there is something more going on than just her mutant power .

now we have so much art for merch!
i want a tshirt with the tree, her face in the sky with a diadem, with the 2 lions, the butterfly elephant, the flowers

[QUOTE=Ferro;4857374]now we have so much art for merch!
i want a tshirt with the tree, her face in the sky with a diadem, with the 2 lions, the butterfly elephant, the flowers[/QUOTE]

bish yes!!!!! I'm here for it all!!!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857348]when has Weather manipulating storm been able to cause plants to grow at the rate at which they did? How would her power as a mutant even allow that ?

I respectfully disagree. I most definitely think her mutant abilities could replicate the same thing we saw with the attacks on the ship; however, I dont think it takes away from what occurred. The plants- to me at least - clearly is the indicator there is something more going on than just her mutant power .[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, BK. Ororo also tapped into advanced technology and totally controlled all of N'Jadaka's ships. Their life support systems isn't connected to weather manipulation. It could also be argued that the life support systems were different from what was on Shuri's ship because N'Jadaka's crew are aliens. So, Ororo had to adjust her power to influence an unknown system. I'm no Ororo expert, when it comes to her powers, but I think anything that isn't directly related to her ability to manipulate the weather can be considered a god power. Or to manipulate the energies to such a specific degree on many targets, IMO, could be viewed as an example of her godhood.

And, I don't know if we were meant to take the image of her in the sky of space as literal BUT, if we were, her ability to project her image, kind of coming one with the space around her, would also be an example of her godhood.

What do you think? Was the image of her real or just a creative way of showing her power to the reader?

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4857408]I agree with you, BK. Ororo also tapped into advanced technology and totally controlled all of N'Jadaka's ships. Their life support systems isn't connected to weather manipulation. It could also be argued that the life support systems were different from what was on Shuri's ship because N'Jadaka's crew are aliens. So, Ororo had to adjust her power to influence an unknown system. I'm no Ororo expert, when it comes to her powers, but I think anything that isn't directly related to her ability to manipulate the weather can be considered a god power. Or to manipulate the energies to such a specific degree on many targets, IMO, could be viewed as an example of her godhood.

And, I don't know if we were meant to take the image of her in the sky of space as literal BUT, if we were, her ability to project her image, kind of coming one with the space around her, would also be an example of her godhood.

What do you think? Was the image of her real or just a creative way of showing her power to the reader?[/QUOTE]

First, I love the new Avi. Hickman reference to when Claremont first introduced Tchalla and Ororo as having more than a friendship was so beautiful to me.


Now to all you have said, you make amazing points. Those energies are alien and I think means it would take more time for her to adjust to said energies. Just as it does for ger to adapt to foreign weather when she on a new planet.


To your point about the astral projection. I'm not 100% but we see her speaking from it. So I would probably go with it being literal that we see her godhead across that portion of the galaxy. She is actually connected to everything so they are in essence all one of the same. If it is not literal, which I think it may very well be, this is the artist way to demonstrate she has connected with all the energies associated with that space that is shown. It's truly a powerful and divine feat.

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yes Hickman!!

Man Black Panther was sick, of course something went wrong digitally buying GS so I have to wait till its fixed lol but love hearing the greats things.

[QUOTE=ShepardOakenshieldPrime;4857463]Man Black Panther was sick, of course something went wrong digitally buying GS so I have to wait till its fixed lol but love hearing the greats things.[/QUOTE]

baby black panther was perfection!!!!! Coates is the GOAT!!!! I'm here for him forever.

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4857408]I agree with you, BK. Ororo also tapped into advanced technology and totally controlled all of N'Jadaka's ships. Their life support systems isn't connected to weather manipulation. It could also be argued that the life support systems were different from what was on Shuri's ship because N'Jadaka's crew are aliens. So, Ororo had to adjust her power to influence an unknown system. I'm no Ororo expert, when it comes to her powers, but I think anything that isn't directly related to her ability to manipulate the weather can be considered a god power. Or to manipulate the energies to such a specific degree on many targets, IMO, could be viewed as an example of her godhood.

And, I don't know if we were meant to take the image of her in the sky of space as literal BUT, if we were, her ability to project her image, kind of coming one with the space around her, would also be an example of her godhood.

What do you think? Was the image of her real or just a creative way of showing her power to the reader?[/QUOTE]

Technically you wouldn't be wrong if you called this Feat an Omega lvl feat. There's really not much difference in what she did in BP other than make grass grow. But even then I can argue that she was already able to sense dying plants and trees before.

Either Godhood or Omega lvl whichever you call it you're not wrong.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857491]Technically you wouldn't be wrong if you called this Feat an Omega lvl feat. There's really not much difference in what she did in BP other than make grass grow. But even then I can argue that she was already able to sense dying plants and trees before.

Either Godhood or Omega lvl whichever you call it you're not wrong.[/QUOTE]

when has ororo EVER made plants grow with watering them and at the rate she did in this issue?

Coates deserve credit for what he has done to develop this character which is name her a god. shuri even keeps calling her a goddess leading up to the feat. why are we making this something that it's not?

I think you could argue this was omega level if shuri described ororo as such but she and the pilot both referred to her as a goddess. there was nothing about omega ever uttered once.

I'd rather it be Omega because being an Hadari Yao feat kinda of brings something out of it imo. First of all, it takes a feat from her Omega Status, second of all, the X-Books are ignoring the godhood thing so there's higher chances that they would ignore this too.

I've always liked her connection to plants. Hypergrowth was weird tho. Maybe they were not common plants and a bit of watering makes them grow? Like she did in X-Men #1 to Krakoan flowers.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857491]Technically you wouldn't be wrong if you called this Feat an Omega lvl feat. There's really not much difference in what she did in BP other than make grass grow. But even then I can argue that she was already able to sense dying plants and trees before.

Either Godhood or Omega lvl whichever you call it you're not wrong.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, SP, I'm tired of trying to wrap my mind around what constitutes Omega level power versus god level powers. I do think, whether we readers agree or not, that Coates intended Ororo's display of power to be a show of her godhood. I think that's why he kept reminding readers in this issue, as well as the lead up issues, that Ororo is a goddess. Today's issue, I'm convinced, was a flex of her godhood. And it was subtle, which I also loved. All of her feats don't have to be these huge displays of power. She went in for mega kill shots without the bombasity of a huge frontal attack. Loved that strategy between Ororo and Shuri. They worked so well together, and it was also obvious that Ororo needed the rest Shuri knew she would in order for her to do what she did and on such a grand scale.

But, as N'Jadaka easily reminded them, he has five galaxies of soldiers to throw at them.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857493]when has ororo EVER made plants grow with watering them

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Wait what? Are you asking me when has Storm made plants grow with water?
You don't remember her watering the Krakoan Plant with Water?
How about did you miss the part through Claremonts run she has been watering her plants??

Your question doesn't make sense here.

[QUOTE]and at the rate she did in this issue?[/QUOTE]

Given the fact that she was tapping into the "Fields of Energy" is not that far from tapping into Potential Energy and Solar Energy.....

Hence why I said you wouldn't be wrong if you called this feat Omega Lvl. You would still be right.

[QUOTE=Veitha;4857507]I'd rather it be Omega because being an Hadari Yao feat kinda of brings something out of it imo. First of all, it takes a feat from her Omega Status, second of all, the X-Books are ignoring the godhood thing so there's higher chances that they would ignore this too.

I've always liked her connection to plants. Hypergrowth was weird tho. Maybe they were not common plants and a bit of watering makes them grow? Like she did in X-Men #1 to Krakoan flowers.[/QUOTE]

she was a goddess before she was ever mentioned to be omega. secondly, the xbooks haven't ignored it. Rosenberg confirmed during his uncanny run she was a literal goddess and then Hickman symbolic showed the representation of her divinity with the baobab tree and diadem. lastly, coated himself gas constantly referred to her as a goddess in the issue. we all have our preferences. there have been some who didnt even think she should be an omega mutant but we must look st things for how they have been conveyed via the story. coates has not once described her as an omega mutant in his book. so I dont think that this would all go away because of the omega reveal.

there was no watering of the plants as she was focusing on attacking njadaka beloved. plant manipulation doesnt fall within her powerset as a mutant or omega mutant. that in itself should be the answer aside from shuri literally calling her a goddess leading up to her attack.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857523]Wait what? Are you asking me when has Storm made plants grow with water?
You don't remember her watering the Krakoan Plant with Water?
How about did you miss the part through Claremonts run she has been watering her plants??

Your question doesn't make sense here.



Given the fact that she was tapping into the "Fields of Energy" is not that far from tapping into Potential Energy and Solar Energy.....

Hence why I said you wouldn't be wrong if you called this feat Omega Lvl. You would still be right.[/QUOTE]

no. I'm asking when has storm ever made plants grow without water and at the rate she did in BP. plant manipulation is not a part of her powerset as a mutant. is this now clearer?

tapping into solar energy is not going to make plants suddenly grow beloved. there's something more a play as plants require more than just solar energy to grow especially at that rate. and again where has coates made one mention of her being omega the entire run?

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4857522]Honestly, SP, I'm tired of trying to wrap my mind around what constitutes Omega level power versus god level powers. I do think, whether we readers agree or not, that Coates intended Ororo's display of power to be a show of her godhood. I think that's why he kept reminding readers in this issue, as well as the lead up issues, that Ororo is a goddess. Today's issue, I'm convinced, was a flex of her godhood. And it was subtle, which I also loved. All of her feats don't have to be these huge displays of power. She went in for mega kill shots without the bombasity of a huge frontal attack. Loved that strategy between Ororo and Shuri. They worked so well together, and it was also obvious that Ororo needed the rest Shuri knew she would in order for her to do what she did and on such a grand scale.

But, as N'Jadaka easily reminded them, he has five galaxies of soldiers to throw at them.[/QUOTE]

Blame Coates. This is exactly why I said we are going to have problems telling the Difference between Omega Lvl Storm and Godhood Storm for this very example right here. I'm sure he probably did mean to display her Godhood, but the problem is we have SO many feats of Storm accomplishing things in Space and in different Environments to the point WHEN we see a Godhood Feat it's hard for use to separate the difference. I think SOME people(not me or Storm Fans, but OTHER Fans) could get tired of that constant reminder that she is a Goddess it's just like Iceman contentiously reminds readers that he is an Omega Lvl and everyone already knows it. Of Course today's Issue was a flex to her Godhood, but again since Coates has not done a good job of showing us the difference the delivery wasn't much impactful when I look back at the time Storm did her Galactic Core feat you know what I mean. I don't anyone is asking for all her feats to be huge display of power not sure what you mean. The strategy was good I just said this not to long ago If I had a Bigger Gun I would have used it and Shuri did.

Yeah, N'Jadaka has his 5 Galaxies, but who knows whatever Goddess Bast is planning could help. Not to mention we have the "Allies" Shuri recruited which are: Falcon, Spectrum, Misty Knight and Luke Cage so i'm waiting on how they will help.

Why couldn't Storm's mutant power and goddess abilities be the same thing?

Also, today's event reminded me of this...

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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857572]Blame Coates. This is exactly why I said we are going to have problems telling the Difference between Omega Lvl Storm and Godhood Storm for this very example right here. I'm sure he probably did mean to display her Godhood, but the problem is we have SO many feats of Storm accomplishing things in Space and in different Environments to the point WHEN we see a Godhood Feat it's hard for use to separate the difference. I think SOME people(not me or Storm Fans, but OTHER Fans) could get tired of that constant reminder that she is a Goddess it's just like Iceman contentiously reminds readers that he is an Omega Lvl and everyone already knows it. Of Course today's Issue was a flex to her Godhood, but again since Coates has not done a good job of showing us the difference the delivery wasn't much impactful when I look back at the time Storm did her Galactic Core feat you know what I mean. I don't anyone is asking for all her feats to be huge display of power not sure what you mean. The strategy was good I just said this not to long ago If I had a Bigger Gun I would have used it and Shuri did.

Yeah, N'Jadaka has his 5 Galaxies, but who knows whatever Goddess Bast is planning could help. Not to mention we have the "Allies" Shuri recruited which are: Falcon, Spectrum, Misty Knight and Luke Cage so i'm waiting on how they will help.[/QUOTE]

if plants growing rapidly at an exponential rate, her projecting her astral self across the galaxy and shuri literally stating that storm is a goddesss before doing the feat doesn't make it more clear this is goddees storm I'm not sure what will.

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Just read Giant Size JG&EF.
Worth picking up.
Art is just gorgeous.

Overall thought. "...well Damn"

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4857580]Why couldn't Storm's mutant power and goddess abilities be the same thing?

Also, today's event reminded me of this...

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it reminded me of that feat as well.

they could be the same but one operates on the natural realm while the other on the supernatural or divine side. remember when she tried to stop the unnatural sefako storms that's could talk her mutant powers were ineffectual.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857572]Blame Coates. This is exactly why I said we are going to have problems telling the Difference between Omega Lvl Storm and Godhood Storm for this very example right here. I'm sure he probably did mean to display her Godhood, but the problem is we have SO many feats of Storm accomplishing things in Space and in different Environments to the point WHEN we see a Godhood Feat it's hard for use to separate the difference. I think SOME people(not me or Storm Fans, but OTHER Fans) could get tired of that constant reminder that she is a Goddess it's just like Iceman contentiously reminds readers that he is an Omega Lvl and everyone already knows it. Of Course today's Issue was a flex to her Godhood, but again since Coates has not done a good job of showing us the difference the delivery wasn't much impactful when I look back at the time Storm did her Galactic Core feat you know what I mean. I don't anyone is asking for all her feats to be huge display of power not sure what you mean. The strategy was good I just said this not to long ago If I had a Bigger Gun I would have used it and Shuri did.

Yeah, N'Jadaka has his 5 Galaxies, but who knows whatever Goddess Bast is planning could help. Not to mention we have the "Allies" Shuri recruited which are: Falcon, Spectrum, Misty Knight and Luke Cage so i'm waiting on how they will help.[/QUOTE]

For BP not being Storm's book, I think Coates has done a decent job growing her, including her godhood, within its pages. We wanted a writer to make Ororo an officially-recognized goddess, not a sometime Thor hammer wielder. Coates did that and I think, overall, he did it well. The thing with Storm, as you mentioned, is that she is already freaking power, so it's probably a bit difficult for a writer to tease where one part of her powerset begins and the other end (Mutant, Omega Level Mutant, Goddess). And, if we can be a little fair to writers, we can't expect them to have read and/or retained decades' worth of materials on all of the characters they write.

So, now they are returning to Earth. So, yeah, as you said, we get to see the other heroes. BP #22 will likely pick up with T'Challa next issue and his allies.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857556]no. I'm asking when has storm ever made plants grow without water and at the rate she did in BP. plant manipulation is not a part of her powerset as a mutant. is this now clearer?

tapping into solar energy is not going to make plants suddenly grow beloved. there's something more a play as plants require more than just solar energy to grow especially at that rate. and again where has coates made one mention of her being omega the entire run?[/QUOTE]

Much clearer thank you. next time be more clear with your questions because thats not what you asked. Now, to answer your question No growing Plants is NOT part of her power. But then again neither is creating Earthquakes and sensing plants apart of her power as well.

My Solar Energy comment was not in reference to the Plants growing, i'm talking about what she actually did to the solders. C'mon follow along please. I'm sure there was something more at than just making plants grow which is very random that is the ONLY thing you keep talking about is making plants grow. Not even acknowledging the part she was tapping into Energy the MAIN thing she did here.

I don't think Coates did make a mention of her being an Omega considering he keeps calling her the Hadari Yao and Goddess All the time. But if he did really quick let me see that scan of him saying Storm is an Omega lvl mutant.

I don't deny that Caotes was TRYING to hit the Godhood mark today. He was, but looking at what she actually did I mean that can categorized as Omega. Now, is that now Clearer?

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4857599]For BP not being Storm's book, I think Coates has done a decent job growing her, including her godhood, within its pages. We wanted a writer to make Ororo an official-recognized goddess, not some a sometime Thor hammer wielder. Coates did that and I think, overall, he did it well. The thing with Storm, as you mentioned, is that she is already freaking power, so it's probably a bit difficult for a writer to tease where one part of her powerset begins and end. And, if we can be a little fair to writers, we can't expect them to have read and/or retained decades' worth of materials on all of the characters they write.

So, now they are returning to Earth. So, yeah, as you said, we get to see the other heroes. BP #22 will likely pick up with T'Challa next issue and his allies.[/QUOTE]

exactly. coates has done the most for this character than any writer has before the Hickman era. instead of taking it at face value the stuff he has done is being credited to what hickman has done under his watch and I don't think thats fair. if omega was said then you could argue its omega. it wouldn't even be up for debate but that's not the case.

im worried for ororo, but since she has her own issue + children of the vault is a recurring story, im not worried

[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4857580]Why couldn't Storm's mutant power and goddess abilities be the same thing?

Also, today's event reminded me of this...

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That would be a BAD IDEA to make her Godhood powers and her Regular Powers one in the same. Yikes.

Nice referrence.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4857587]if plants growing rapidly at an exponential rate, her projecting her astral self across the galaxy and shuri literally stating that storm is a goddesss before doing the feat doesn't make it more clear this is goddees storm I'm not sure what will.

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Shuri did not call Storm a Goddess before nor after she did the feat. She called her Ororo, it was Akili that called her "Goddess". Stop making stuff up. If tapping into "Fields of Energy" something you can't compare to her other Feats instead just focusing on Plants(which isn't the main attack she did) then I don't know what else to say to you....

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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857605]Much clearer thank you. next time be more clear with your questions because thats not what you asked. Now, to answer your question No growing Plants is NOT part of her power. But then again neither is creating Earthquakes and sensing plants apart of her power as well.

My Solar Energy comment was not in reference to the Plants growing, i'm talking about what she actually did to the solders. C'mon follow along please. I'm sure there was something more at than just making plants grow which is very random that is the ONLY thing you keep talking about is making plants grow. Not even acknowledging the part she was tapping into Energy the MAIN thing she did here.

I don't think Coates did make a mention of her being an Omega considering he keeps calling her the Hadari Yao and Goddess All the time. But if he did really quick let me see that scan of him saying Storm is an Omega lvl mutant.

I don't deny that Caotes was TRYING to hit the Godhood mark today. He was, but looking at what she actually did I mean that can categorized as Omega. Now, is that now Clearer?[/QUOTE]

it was a typo love I'm doing this from a cellphone. anyway...

earthquakes can be explained when you understand her powerset. earth, water, air, all contain atoms which contain within them electrons. she theoretically could and should be able to manipulate earth from this. that said, controlling energy is not going to cause the plants to accelerate in growth like they did this issue. those are two different things happening.

the only way I think you can classify this as omega is if you can now claim she has the ability to manipulate plants as a part of that classification. I dont think Hickman would agree that her abilities as omega would including being a plant manipulator.

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4857650]That would be a BAD IDEA to make her Godhood powers and her Regular Powers one in the same. Yikes.

Nice referrence.


Shuri did not call Storm a Goddess before nor after she did the feat. She called her Ororo, it was Akili that called her "Goddess". Stop making stuff up. If tapping into "Fields of Energy" something you can't compare to her other Feats instead just focusing on Plants(which isn't the main attack she did) then I don't know what else to say to you....

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akili did though boo. so my point still stands deary.

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These issues both were so amazing to me as a storm fan!!! I simply have been blown away by how great they both were. Coates and Hickman truly outdid themselves. Coates expounded on the power that is the goddess and showed just [B]how dangerous she can be while doing yoga bitches[/B]!!! Hickman showed us the beauty and power of Ororos mind. We saw glimpses of those things she values through several past events in canon. That was something I truly valued the most from the issue but we also saw her strength in will to resist Jean and Emma in the way she did. And the art was AMAZING!!! I couldnt ask for anything more!!!



when has Weather manipulating storm been able to cause plants to grow at the rate at which they did? How would her power as a mutant even allow that ?

I respectfully disagree. I most definitely think her mutant abilities could replicate the same thing we saw with the attacks on the ship; however, I dont think it takes away from what occurred. The plants- to me at least - clearly is the indicator there is something more going on than just her mutant power .[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;0OkB6p_FZAw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OkB6p_FZAw[/video]

Show them your yoga power, gurl!

As for the plants, I mean, it could be a matter of her goddess-nature, or it could be a facet of her ability to sense and manipulate lifeforce. Marisol is a another mutant that can expedite plant growth, so it's not like no mutants can do it. Certainly Ororo has not been shown to make plants grow unnaturally before(except for that alternate universe in Dazzler's X-Treme, where she was a real goddess and made plants grow instantly and made that version of Emma a goddess as a boon for helping free her from that universe's Xavier), but it could be a new facet of her omega abilities. As is typical of Coates, he leaves it unclear for now.

I liked the Giant Size issue, it was neat and pretty. Hopefully Ororo's solo issue at the end will give her a more active role, but I loved seeing her mental defenses in action!

The X-Men issue was fascinating, brought up a lot of good questions that many of us have been wondering about. I guess this all means the Giant Size stories are set a little ahead of the main books, and that the FF crossover a set a bit back in the timeline(with both Kate and Ororo active in that story). Nice to get a solid number of the mutant population again after all this back and forth the last few decades. Just over 210,000. That feels about what it should have been before the whole Morrison run complicated things with the millions and millions. Still very precarious, though, in terms of a population. A small city.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;4857662][video=youtube;0OkB6p_FZAw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OkB6p_FZAw[/video]

Show them your yoga power, gurl!

As for the plants, I mean, it could be a matter of her goddess-nature, or it could be a facet of her ability to sense and manipulate lifeforce. Marisol is a another mutant that can expedite plant growth, so it's not like no mutants can do it. Certainly Ororo has not been shown to make plants grow unnaturally before(except for that alternate universe in Dazzler's X-Treme, where she was a real goddess and made plants grow instantly and made that version of Emma a goddess as a boon for helping free her from that universe's Xavier), but it could be a new facet of her omega abilities. As is typical of Coates, he leaves it unclear for now.

I liked the Giant Size issue, it was neat and pretty. Hopefully Ororo's solo issue at the end will give her a more active role, but I loved seeing her mental defenses in action!

The X-Men issue was fascinating, brought up a lot of good questions that many of us have been wondering about. I guess this all means the Giant Size stories are set a little ahead of the main books, and that the FF crossover a set a bit back in the timeline(with both Kate and Ororo active in that story). Nice to get a solid number of the mutant population again after all this back and forth the last few decades. Just over 210,000. That feels about what it should have been before the whole Morrison run complicated things with the millions and millions. Still very precarious, though, in terms of a population. A small city.[/QUOTE]

I was waiting to here your thoughts here. Before I get to them I love that you linked to a video of the woman who may play storm in the mcu lol.

Agreed there are mutants who can do this but from what we understand of Ororo being an energy manipulator who controls the weather when has plant manipulation ever been seen? It hasn't and even as an omega level mutant that detail wouldnt fall under that umbrella. Also, I like that you made the reference to her alternate form doing this and making mention she was a goddess in that timeline as well (which in a way supports the oont shes using her godhead abilities in bp). Nevertheless, to conclude this is a facet of her omega level abilities when 1.) coated has never made mention to this in his run, and 2.) omega level weather manipulation has nothing to do with plant manipulation makes this a huge stretch

I loved seeing her mental defenses in action too. Hickman says awesome. I haven't read Xmen yet. will read this later.

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4857599]For BP not being Storm's book, I think Coates has done a decent job growing her, including her godhood, within its pages. We wanted a writer to make Ororo an officially-recognized goddess, not a sometime Thor hammer wielder. Coates did that and I think, overall, he did it well. The thing with Storm, as you mentioned, is that she is already freaking power, so it's probably a bit difficult for a writer to tease where one part of her powerset begins and the other end (Mutant, Omega Level Mutant, Goddess). And, if we can be a little fair to writers, we can't expect them to have read and/or retained decades' worth of materials on all of the characters they write.

So, now they are returning to Earth. So, yeah, as you said, we get to see the other heroes. BP #22 will likely pick up with T'Challa next issue and his allies.[/QUOTE]

I'm not denying that Fact about what Coates has been doing. I'm not as Picky about her having a hammer or actual Godhood as some Storm Fans are here, but that's cool. Yup he did good job. Honestly, IMO it really shouldn't be that hard to separate that. Honestly, when I look at other Heroes and their power lvls and their secret Modes how is it for Storm it's just TOO HARD. No, No excuses. Writers are supposed to know their source material and the characters they write. You can go on an interview and be like "OH YEAH, I love the X-men man!! I loved Claremonts Run I grew up on that." And then barely show that you know anything from Claremonts run is....well pitiful LOL. But yeah sure lets be fair to writers I don't mind.

Yeah, back to Earth let's see what happens.

I can point to a few difference in Storm Mutant vs Storm Goddess

Storm Omega Mutant: Cant manipulate plants, can't control unnatural storms, cant affect adversary with her powers, cant use faith as a source of power.

Storm Goddess: Can do all the things above.

I'm sure more to come as we continue to read.