Umm....I'm going to say...no?
That announcement has absolutely nothing to do with Storm.
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Umm....I'm going to say...no?
That announcement has absolutely nothing to do with Storm.
[QUOTE=Havok83;5174692]This might be a one off as its not really a thing thats come up in his solos or defined his powers and status as an Asgardian. I think its safe to say he doesnt require prayer to be a god.[/QUOTE]
Its not a one off. Its something that has been established and likely not something that thor writers have to constantly reference:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/5633939-captainmarvelisgod.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174698][COLOR="#000080"]If I posted a pic of someone beating Storm in a fight and that was the only fight they ever had, would it be safe to say that Storm cannot ever beat this person?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
If it was one pic certainly but there are other instances that indicate asgardians, and thus thor require prayer, see image above.
[QUOTE=twisted sun;5174729]Link to the jdw confirmation???[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5174731]wait, do we really have a Storm solo?[/QUOTE]
my bad here is the link to the storm solo discussion:
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/cracksh0t/status/1312383306932146177[/url]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174771]Its not a one off. Its something that has been established and likely not something that the writer has to constantly reference:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/5633939-captainmarvelisgod.jpg[/img]
If it was one pic certainly but there are other instances that indicate asgardians, and thus thor require prayer, see image above.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]So, if Wakandans stop praying to Storm , she is no longer a goddess?
Thor does not require prayer to exist, nor doe he require prayer for his powers.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174787][COLOR="#000080"]So, if Wakandans stop praying to Storm , she is no longer a goddess?
Thor does not require prayer to exist, nor doe he require prayer for his powers.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
No. That's not how it works. It reminds me of an Xena episode when she was fighting the Greek gods. When the concept of Christianity started to take hold and less and less people worshipped the Greek Gods their powers started to diminish. The power of godhead is always there; however, the strength/power of said religion is only as strong as the faith in those who believe in said religion. That said, Ororos gift is always there but the more followers she has the greater her power will be. Since the Asgards has been worshipped since the dawn of humanity, as well as throughout the universe, that power will be much greater than those who believe in a lesser known diety.
And Chaos War and the image above would counter that narrative he does not require prayer. also see this:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11127/111276539/5629883-5582675535-wQltp.jpg[/img]
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11127/111276539/5629884-1185489040-jkPLr.jpg[/img]
bottom of the line prayer is interconnected to the mythos of asgard
Storm isn't a conventional god. She has a piece of divine power passed through her bloodline, likely from the Elder God Oshtur, which is called her godhead. She is a mutant that can access innate magical abilities associated with standard gods like Thor, Ares, or Bast, children/grandchildren of Gaea (the sister of Oshtur). That makes her in a spiritual sense their cousin.
But where Thor's power isn't reliant on prayer I think it's been established the worship of others can increase his power. Storm on the other hand looks like she needs prayer for her god powers to work. But as we've seen in Shuri, when Ororo was in the vibranium mines and exposed to vibe coral she could manifest her divine powers without any worshippers.
That indicates to me that with enough training/effort she could use her divine magics independent of an outside source, much like regular gods do. So because Storm access the same type of Elder God-derived power as Thor she's technically still a goddess even though she's not a direct child of an Elder God.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174792]No. That's not how it works. It reminds me of an Xena episode when she was fighting the Greek gods. When the concept of Christianity started to take hold and less and less people worshipped the Greek Gods their powers started to diminish. The power of godhead is always there; however, the strength/power of said religion is only as strong as the faith in those who believe in said religion. That said, Ororos gift is always there but the more followers she has the greater her power will be. Since the Asgards has been worshipped since the dawn of humanity, as well as throughout the universe, that power will be much greater than those who believe in a lesser known diety.
And Chaos War and the image above would counter that narrative he does not require prayer. also see this:
bottom of the line prayer is interconnected to the mythos of asgard[/QUOTE]
People can and do pray to Thor but he doesnt need it be a god or access his powers. The prayer in the examples you posted are like a summon. If no one ever prayed again, he would still be an Asgardian god able to access his powers
[QUOTE=chief12d;5174822]Storm isn't a conventional god. She has a piece of divine power passed through her bloodline, likely from the Elder God Oshtur, which is called her godhead. She is a mutant that can access innate magical abilities associated with standard gods like Thor, Ares, or Bast, children/grandchildren of Gaea (the sister of Oshtur). That makes her in a spiritual sense their cousin.
But where Thor's power isn't reliant on prayer I think it's been established the worship of others can increase his power. Storm on the other hand looks like she needs prayer for her god powers to work. But as we've seen in Shuri, when Ororo was in the vibranium mines and exposed to vibe coral she could manifest her divine powers without any worshippers.
That indicates to me that with enough training/effort she could use her divine magics independent of an outside source, much like regular gods do. So because Storm access the same type of Elder God-derived power as Thor she's technically still a goddess even though she's not a direct child of an Elder God.[/QUOTE]
1. I'm not sure saying she has a piece of divine power is an accurate description when she was described as being a bigger God than adversary, an ancient demon chaos God.
2. The scans don't lie. Asgardians power are dependent on their worshippers. The fact that they have been worshipped as long as they have as well as the amount of worshippers guve the facade they dont require prayer; however, ive provide instances of three different stories indicating his power is contingent on his followers.
3. Gods of marvel are powered by prayer. Here are a few others for thor
prays to gaia and she grants him more power,:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5629886-2525121554-56153.jpg[/img]
gods powering thor through prayer:
[img]https://i.redd.it/z127wgra878y.png[/img]
odin hearing prayers:
[img]https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Thor-1-Marvel-Comocs-fresh-start-spoilers-H.png[/img]
[COLOR="#000080"]I thought this was all familiar. BK you brought up this prayer isht before and we debunked it.
Thor doesn't need prayer or worship for his power or existence. Maybe you should argue this point in the Thor appreciation thread?
[IMG]https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/confused-reaction-gifs.gif[/IMG][/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Havok83;5174847]People can and do pray to Thor but he doesnt need it be a god or access his powers. The prayer in the examples you posted are like a summon. If no one ever prayed again, he would still be an Asgardian god able to access his powers[/QUOTE]
you must have missed the scan where he was brought back to life with the power of prayer. as I've stated asgard has been around since the beginning of humanity so I dont think there has been an instance in 616 where thor never had worshippers but its established that marvel gods are powered through prayer. not just storm.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174857]1. I'm not sure saying she has a piece of divine power is an accurate description when she was described as being a bigger God than adversary, an ancient demon chaos God.
2. The scans don't lie. Asgardians power are dependent on their worshippers. The fact that they have been worshipped as long as they have as well as the amount of worshippers guve the facade they dont require prayer; however, ive provide instances of three different stories indicating his power is contingent on his followers.
3. Gods of marvel are powered by prayer. Here are a few others for thor
prays to gaia and she grants him more power,:
[img]https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5629886-2525121554-56153.jpg[/img]
gods powering thor through prayer:
[img]https://i.redd.it/z127wgra878y.png[/img]
odin hearing prayers:
[img]https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Thor-1-Marvel-Comocs-fresh-start-spoilers-H.png[/img][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Possible future Thor story. Not exactly canon. You'll notice that current Thor has a real arm not a metal one and there is no one worshipping Thor in his own book.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174858][COLOR="#000080"]I thought this was all familiar. BK you brought up this prayer isht before and we debunked it.
Thor doesn't need prayer or worship for his power or existence. Maybe you should argue this point in the Thor appreciation thread?
[IMG]https://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/confused-reaction-gifs.gif[/IMG][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I've posted multiple scans stating he requires prayer and no need to discuss it with thor fans. in fact some of these scans were provided from a discussion made by one,:
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/thor-153/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-god-in-marvel-1851229/[/url]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174860]you must have missed the scan where he was brought back to life with the power of prayer. as I've stated asgard has been around since the beginning of humanity so I dont think there has been an instance in 616 where thor never had worshippers but its established that marvel gods are powered through prayer. not just storm.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]And Odin has been on panel saying that he created man. So if he is powerful enough to create them he does not need their prayer to give him powers.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5174863]I've posted multiple scans stating he requires prayer and no need to discuss it with thor fans. in fact some of these scans were provided from a discussion made by one,:
[url]https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/thor-153/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-god-in-marvel-1851229/[/url][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]So your argument is that without prayer and worship, Asgardians have no power correct?[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5174861][COLOR="#000080"]Possible future Thor story. Not exactly canon. You'll notice that current Thor has a real arm not a metal one and there is no one worshipping Thor in his own book.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
as I've mentioned, its established within marvel lore that asgardians need and are powered by prayer, which is stated as such by thor fans. see previous link though not sure why I need to provide that as the scans I've already provided speak for themselves.