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I like the gray.
I wonder if we're gonna get a reaction from Storm about what happened to Black Panther/Wakanda in Avengers
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4994750]I like the gray.
I wonder if we're gonna get a reaction from Storm about what happened to Black Panther/Wakanda in Avengers[/QUOTE]
Unless it serves the Marauders story in some way, why would we?
So far...Duggan hasn't mentioned anything regarding Storm's connection to T'Challa or Wakanda, or any major story-line outside of DoX (HiX-Man did reference it in X-Men 04...but that actually served the story.)
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4994750]I like the gray.
I wonder if we're gonna get a reaction from Storm about what happened to Black Panther/Wakanda in Avengers[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. T'Challa being captured is probably gonna be temporary so it's possible she may never even find out he left. Outside the Black Panther book proper, the two of them are living such separate lives that I doubt their stories will intersect anytime soon.
But we do know the X-Men are trying to spy on the Avengers and that Krakoa has a policy of regime change in non-treaty nations so there's bound to be reaction on both sides about the new status quo eventually. Especially with Wakanda taking such an active role in world affairs recently.
Is Storm a citizen of Wakanda? If not, did she have it revoke in her annulment?
Was she ever a citizen of Kenya? She was born in US so holds citizenship there but now is a citizen of Krakoa. Im trying to get a feel for what she's been able to maintain and what she's had to give up bc I cant imagine she'd be able to have quad citenship
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I can't see anything, what is this?
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4994833]I can't see anything, what is this?[/QUOTE]
A bad bitch
[QUOTE=Havok83;4994788]Is Storm a citizen of Wakanda? If not, did she have it revoke in her annulment?
Was she ever a citizen of Kenya? She was born in US so holds citizenship there but now is a citizen of Krakoa. Im trying to get a feel for what she's been able to maintain and what she's had to give up bc I cant imagine she'd be able to have quad citenship[/QUOTE]
She most likely would have given up her Wakandan citizenship once the marriage was annulled, but now is given special dispensation as an Ex-royal and Royal GF.
As an urchin on the Ciaro streets she definitely would not have had any ID and she obviously didn't travel by conventional means throughout Africa on her journey to Kenya.
As a mutant she and the others probably don't hold any legal citizenship/ID documents other than what was given at birth...with Piotr and Kurt being naturalised citizens by now (I'm guessing) As mutants, they enter and exit foreign countries not via the regular channels so things like ID cards, DPs and Passports are quite unnecessary.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4994750]I like the gray.
I wonder if we're gonna get a reaction from Storm about what happened to Black Panther/Wakanda in Avengers[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Havok83;4994788]Is Storm a citizen of Wakanda? If not, did she have it revoke in her annulment?
Was she ever a citizen of Kenya? She was born in US so holds citizenship there but now is a citizen of Krakoa. Im trying to get a feel for what she's been able to maintain and what she's had to give up bc I cant imagine she'd be able to have quad citenship[/QUOTE]
I would imagine that was dissolved when her marriage was annulled.
in terms of her citizenship, I don't think she would have had anything except her US one. sIts possible her parents applied for Egyptian citizenship when she moved there but outside of that since she migrated to Kenya and was worshipped in a small village I doubt she ever was an official Roman citizen.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4994833]I can't see anything, what is this?[/QUOTE]
it's some fan art I came across online. I'm not sure why you cant see it.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4994841]A bad bitch[/QUOTE]
yes indeed!!
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I’m sure you all have talked about this before, but if Storm were to get another solo series what are some plotlines that you’d like to see?
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;4995863]I’m sure you all have talked about this before, but if Storm were to get another solo series what are some plotlines that you’d like to see?[/QUOTE]
One that delves into her ancestral and magical background. It's been ignored for far too long. It would be nice to see a story that explored that for one arc.
mutants in Wakanda and/or Africa in general. She was worshipped as a goddess for her powers growing up but how are other mutants viewed?
In connection to the current Karkoa: Mutant Nation status quo, I would like to see her address African countries that don't recognise Krakoa as a sovereign nation and like Russia and Brazil, don't treat their mutants kindly and respectfully. And I would like to see her helping those African nations who fully accept Krakoa's mutant policies and ally themselves with Krakoa...and of course having to deal with other countries that don't agree, while trying to stabalise parts of the continent.
Perhaps even starting the creation of another African Nation (pro Mutants) that could one day rival Wakanda in terms of power and advancement.
But...no more Wakanda cross-cutting. There are other African nations which need help and exposure. Let Wakanda fend for themselves, as they are quite capable of doing.
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;4995863]I’m sure you all have talked about this before, but if Storm were to get another solo series what are some plotlines that you’d like to see?[/QUOTE]
I want everything. LOL.
I want a series where we see Ororo examine her godhood, which includes her mystical heritage while balancing her responsibilities as leader of Krakoa, member of the quiet council and the mutant race.
For the first arc, we could see Ostur appearing to Storm explaining that the time has now come for her to accept who she is. Chthon's "children" are gathering the Mardipoor set, (of which Storm's ruby is the keystone), and with them they can can bring the elder god back to earth in his own body. She is the reason why Ostur has always favored her linage - Storm needs to oppose Chthon's return to this universe. Storm is the one destined to destroy him since Chthon's true form is elemental energy. Her elemental powers, godhood and mystic might are what's need to stop the Elder God of Chaos.
We could see Storm on her search off to stop Chthon's forces while mixing in her rescue of mutants. We'll see the conflict she has because both misssions are important. We can see her conflict with Ostur who wants her focus on her mission and Storm's internal struggle to help the mutant race.
Some of Chthon's children have a history with Storm and the X-Men. They include the N'Garai & Kierrok. Vampires also have a connection with Chthon and we know Storm has a history with Dracula that could play into this. So we could tie in her history as well as take the book someplace new.
The exploration of her ancestry since she comes from a line of witch-queens. Without getting into the thorny issue of her divinity I think there's a story to be told about the exact nature of her tribe's relationship to Oshtur. Why were they chosen to worship her, what were the circumstances that led to her bloodline being blessed, how come when she returned to the Serengeti she was worshiped as a goddess instead of being installed as the new queen? Do other Elder gods have their own chosen bloodlines? What about Elder Gods from other planets? I'd like to see them explore these fantasy questions, especially in terms of how she relates to the environment itself.
Assuming we're taking into account the Krakoa status quo, there's a lot of potential in looking at Storm and her close ties to the natural world both spiritually and scientifically. She should not only be a crusader for mutants and people of color but also the environment, telling stories that show how they intersect. I'd also want to see her political acumen played up as a statesmen for Krakoan interests. She uses that country's resources but also uses her street smarts and open-mindedness to get things done solo, like Wolverine in his solo. In order for that to happen she needs to be global and out in the field, traveling to Kenya one day, NYC the next, all the way to the Savage Land.
I'd stay away from Shadow King and them. Give me Garokk (retconned into being a vibranium mutate parasite), Ogun, Roxxon, blessed bloodlines of Set/Chthon, Brood, rogue windriders, and more. A Storm solo shouldn't read like a story that could be told with any X-Men team, it needs to lean into the aspects that make her distinct. And of course they need to build a supporting cast AWAY from the X-Men. Right off the bat the Wolverine solo brought in a human for the lead to work with. I'd want Storm to have that freedom and to bring in humans, Atlanteans, and anyone else that can help her on her missions. Marvel should position her as a warrior priestess, she has one foot in the world of mutant advocacy and another in the realm of eldritch monsters and ancient knowledge.
Idk if y’all discussed this already or not but I just saw a video that stated Storm is supposed to have a big role in the MCU and one of the core member a La Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. Though they stated they wanted it to be very different from the Fox version so she will be from Wakanda. How do you guys feel they didn’t say she couldn’t have grown up in Kenya and spent time there but they stated she would be fromWakanda so I’m not sure what that means. If they can make it work with the history of Storm and her bloodline then I’m all for it. For the most part MCU does a good job with its characters.
[QUOTE=StormDisciple;4996148]Idk if y’all discussed this already or not but I just saw a video that stated Storm is supposed to have a big role in the MCU and one of the core member a La Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. Though they stated they wanted it to be very different from the Fox version so she will be from Wakanda. How do you guys feel they didn’t say she couldn’t have grown up in Kenya and spent time there but they stated she would be fromWakanda so I’m not sure what that means. If they can make it work with the history of Storm and her bloodline then I’m all for it. For the most part MCU does a good job with its characters.[/QUOTE]
I would love to have her introduced in Black Panther 2 before any XMen movies. I think they should handle it like they did with Avengers where the Xmen have solo movies or appear in other movies & then Xavier brings them together for XMen 1.
I just hope for less focus on Jean in the MCU movies. I would actually prefer to have Emma instead of Jean.
I also want Ororo as Xmen leader instead of Cyclops.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4985383]Got this from franckd in the Jean thread
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I always liked that costume for Storm. Although I prefer it without gloves.
[QUOTE=StormDisciple;4996148]Idk if y’all discussed this already or not but I just saw a video that stated Storm is supposed to have a big role in the MCU and one of the core member a La Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. Though they stated they wanted it to be very different from the Fox version so she will be from Wakanda. How do you guys feel they didn’t say she couldn’t have grown up in Kenya and spent time there but they stated she would be fromWakanda so I’m not sure what that means. If they can make it work with the history of Storm and her bloodline then I’m all for it. For the most part MCU does a good job with its characters.[/QUOTE]
I don't like how they removed her Kenyan heritage but I would be okay with her being from Wakanda as long as they don't eliminate her royal ancestry. She was a princess long before she married T'Challa and became queen.
[QUOTE=whitecrown;4996471]I don't like how they removed her Kenyan heritage but I would be okay with her being from Wakanda as long as they don't eliminate her royal ancestry. She was a princess long before she married T'Challa and became queen.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I also don’t feel like they have to make her Wakandan. They could easily introduce her in Black Panther 2 as a refugee or runaway as Wakanda is supposed to be helping the rest of the world.
How was Ororo's her Kenyan heritage removed? Last I checked she was an American born in Harlem, NYC to a photojournalist, and a princess of an unknown tribe in a village in Kenya. What's happened to changed that?
So...MCU's version of making it different from the Fox version is making it different from the MU version.
Yeah...no.
I will wait until I get more definitive proof of what they're planning before giving the gossips any more attention.
I’d be fine with a retcon that she was born in Kenya and wasn’t crisscrossing the globe as an infant.
[QUOTE=PsychicScion;4996193]I would love to have her introduced in Black Panther 2 before any XMen movies. I think they should handle it like they did with Avengers where the Xmen have solo movies or appear in other movies & then Xavier brings them together for XMen 1.
I just hope for less focus on Jean in the MCU movies. I would actually prefer to have Emma instead of Jean.
I also want Ororo as Xmen leader instead of Cyclops.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=whitecrown;4996471]I don't like how they removed her Kenyan heritage but I would be okay with her being from Wakanda as long as they don't eliminate her royal ancestry. She was a princess long before she married T'Challa and became queen.[/QUOTE]
As a Storm fan I would be piss if they made her Wakandian.
Here's hoping she keep her ture origins and only showed up in Wakanda to help during the snap and is why she is "coming from Wakanda".
[QUOTE=Kingdom X;4995863]I’m sure you all have talked about this before, but if Storm were to get another solo series what are some plotlines that you’d like to see?[/QUOTE]
I would love for Ororo to survive an near death experience (assassination) and deal with the fall out and casualties of the situation.(Very God Love ManKill ) But have her return to her Serengeti Renegade ways by becoming a global Viggilante cominge at odds with world Hero community and the mutants .while on a journey to self discovery.
Why is it so difficult to re-tell her origin story, though?
Born in America. Taken to Egypt with her mother and father. They died in a terrorist bomb attack. She is orphaned and homeless and taken in by the "Fagan of Cairo". As a teen she escapes and wanders across the continent finally settling down in a small village in Kenya. Worshipped as a Goddess. Then found/recruited by Charles Xavier.
As origin stories go, hers is pretty straightforward. I don't see why writers feel the need to make it so complicated.
Why is it so difficult to transpose the general themes and key elements of the source material without throwing in everything and the kitchen sink?
You forgot Worship as a Goddess.
You gotta have the worship as a goddess.
Key element.
Lol.
LOL. Indeed. *edited to suit.
Her origin is straightforward...and interesting, as is. There's no need for retcons, revision, or embellishment.
[QUOTE=PsychicScion;4996193]I would love to have her introduced in Black Panther 2 before any XMen movies. I think they should handle it like they did with Avengers where the Xmen have solo movies or appear in other movies & then Xavier brings them together for XMen 1.
I just hope for less focus on Jean in the MCU movies. I would actually prefer to have Emma instead of Jean.
I also want Ororo as Xmen leader instead of Cyclops.[/QUOTE]
I really want her introduced in BP2 as well but then I heard they are planning on introducing Logan through that movie which doesn’t make sense since Storm fits better with that story.
[QUOTE=whitecrown;4996471]I don't like how they removed her Kenyan heritage but I would be okay with her being from Wakanda as long as they don't eliminate her royal ancestry. She was a princess long before she married T'Challa and became queen.[/QUOTE]
I don’t like Kenya thing either but as you said if they keep her royal ancestry I won’t be mad at all. I’ll just be glad to see her get the focus.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4996616]So...MCU's version of making it different from the Fox version is making it different from the MU version.
Yeah...no.
I will wait until I get more definitive proof of what they're planning before giving the gossips any more attention.[/QUOTE]
Yes I don’t know how true these allegations are ive heard numerous people confirm it from a “reliable source” saying this is the direction they wanna take with Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Sunfire, Nightcrawler, Havok being the starting lineup. I’ll post the video for you guys to see
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You guys can draw from it whatever works.
Enh..."early stages" "brainstorming" does not interest me, in the least. While I understand the nature of these "reports" is to get the hype/discussion train rolling...I'll let my interest be piqued when the news is more conclusive.
The goddess element should not be removed from her backstory. What could be interesting is if maybe a certain sect of Wakandans are revealed to be worshiping Ororo as a goddess and this is what makes T'Challa aware of her existence. They could dive into her magical ancestry and the Atlantean lineage that traces back directly to Adam and Eve, making her a potential rival or contender for the throne until T'Challa and Ororo fall in love with each other and marry to unite the people.
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Yes I don’t know how true these allegations are ive heard numerous people confirm it from a “reliable source” saying this is the direction they wanna take with Storm, Cyclops, Jean, Sunfire, Nightcrawler, Havok being the starting lineup. I’ll post the video for you guys to see[/QUOTE]
If this is real, I think I could be okay with this. However, what I think is very important is that Cyclops start off as the X-Men leader and then it becomes obvious that he is flawed and not the right person for the job. Storm needs to take over and be considered the greater leader for the X-Men and mutantkind. That would be a very powerful image if the MCU presented that the white guy who always automatically leads the team is taken from power and a black woman is in fact the better choice. The MCU hasn't really had any female leaders so far anyway (it's always a Chris like Chris Pine or Chris Pratt) so the X-Men, the supposedly most diverse team, needs a diverse leader for this era. As the most prominent female leader in comics, no one is better equipped for this major role in the MCU than Storm and this can make her a leading heroine again like she used to be.
From what I heard Storm is going to be very important in BP2 and in the X-Men.
It seems Marvel wants to the AVX using Storm and Black Panther. -_-
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4997357]From what I heard Storm is going to be very important in BP2 and in the X-Men.
It seems Marvel wants to the AVX using Storm and Black Panther. -_-[/QUOTE]
I'd be all for that although in the comic event, I always thought Storm should have joined Wolverine and Beast and joined the Avengers side from the get-go. I thought that was going to happen because her loyalties were with them in Schism and Marvel strangely had her join the Avengers just right before AvX so I naturally assumed it was because she was going to side with the Avengers. Instead, she barely had a role in the event besides getting her marriage annulled.
I don't think they'll marry. I'm pretty sure it'll be a very flirtatious relationship. Lost of chasing.
[QUOTE=whitecrown;4997361]I'd be all for that although in the comic event, I always thought Storm should have joined Wolverine and Beast and joined the Avengers side from the get-go. I thought that was going to happen because her loyalties were with them in Schism and Marvel strangely had her join the Avengers just right before AvX so I naturally assumed it was because she was going to side with the Avengers. Instead, she barely had a role in the event besides getting her marriage annulled.[/QUOTE]
AvX did a lot of characters dirty in terms of their characterization/portrayals; and this is especially so for Storm and T'Challa. Then afterwards Marvel had the Uncanny Avengers/Unity Squad which was a mix of Avengers and X-men/mutants, and neither Storm nor T'Challa were members. The whole concept was jarring to me since Storm and T'Challa would have been perfect for that team.
I hope they don't cast another biracial girl as Storm. We need a brown skinned woman whether dark brown or light brown but definitely not a Beyonce or Halle colored chick. And we need her with BLUE EYES for once smh
[QUOTE=nj06;4997425]AvX did a lot of characters dirty in terms of their characterization/portrayals; and this is especially so for Storm and T'Challa. Then afterwards Marvel had the Uncanny Avengers/Unity Squad which was a mix of Avengers and X-men/mutants, and neither Storm nor T'Challa were members. The whole concept was jarring to me since Storm and T'Challa would have been perfect for that team.[/QUOTE]
I dont think it would have made sense to have them on there considering their marriage had just ended
[QUOTE=nj06;4997425]AvX did a lot of characters dirty in terms of their characterization/portrayals; and this is especially so for Storm and T'Challa. Then afterwards Marvel had the Uncanny Avengers/Unity Squad which was a mix of Avengers and X-men/mutants, and neither Storm nor T'Challa were members. The whole concept was jarring to me since Storm and T'Challa would have been perfect for that team.[/QUOTE]
rememder really seemed like he wanted to mess up the concept of mutants to exonerate wanda
He started off with the M word speech, then tried to make a point about why mutants need be born at all
Then when we had the Kitty pryde jewish thing, he deflated that example too with a comparison to how romanis have a culture while mutants don't so they don't have an ethnicity with rogue left with no answers.
Kinda fucked up, especially since he told people who didn't like the M word speech to drown in hobo piss.