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[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4815489]THAT would be a HUGE F*** You!!!! From Coates. I would LAUGH so much.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is when Bast lost the fight against N'Jadaka and the symbiote and had her powers taken, the other Orishas looked on and didn't do a damn thing. They weren't shown as having an ounce of loyalty of even sympathy. I guess, at that time, the other Orishas returned to Earth Prime.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4815949]The funny thing is when Bast lost the fight against N'Jadaka and the symbiote and had her powers taken, the other Orishas looked on and didn't do a damn thing. They weren't shown as having an ounce of loyalty of even sympathy. I guess, at that time, the other Orishas returned to Earth Prime.[/QUOTE]
I don’t even think the Orishas have Opinions. I think they just stand around doing nothing...
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4816054]I don’t even think the Orishas have Opinions. I think they just stand around doing nothing...[/QUOTE]
Ha, I think you are right. For all that Coates has built up other characters in BP, he hasn't given voice to any Orisha other than Bast. The drawings of Bast during T'Challa's space acs were really well done.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4816064]Ha, I think you are right. For all that Coates has built up other characters in BP, he hasn't given voice to any Orisha other than Bast. The drawings of Bast during T'Challa's space acs were really well done.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I feel like why introduce a new concept if you don’t t actually expand and develop it. Because NOW I wanna know what they can do. What they think. This seems all about Bast don’t get me wrong she is an interesting Goddess that I’d like to know more. But she is LAME. She isn’t really powerful if she got her butt kicked AND embarrassed by a Member if the Royal Family. Yikes.
I love Bast's physical portrayal here. This is what I want to see with Ororo. I don't necessarily mean she has to have a whole body shift, but it should be evident when she is using her goddess powers. One of the easiest ways to demonstrate that would be some kind of physical change, like what we get when her eyes turn white. When they do, we know she is using her mutant powers.
If Ororo was shown to change in some kind of way to show that she is using her goddess powers, what would you guys like to see happen with her?
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[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4815949]The funny thing is when Bast lost the fight against N'Jadaka and the symbiote and had her powers taken, the other Orishas looked on and didn't do a damn thing. They weren't shown as having an ounce of loyalty of even sympathy. I guess, at that time, the other Orishas returned to Earth Prime.[/QUOTE]
I saw it as the betta and lower gods respecting the alpha bast represents the most powerful of the orisha and so when njadaka took that power he gained their respect. its akin to the bp ritual where two fight it out to obtain the mantle. the onlookers respect and accept the winner as the BP. this is how the battle appeared to me.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4816069]Exactly. I feel like why introduce a new concept if you don’t t actually expand and develop it. Because NOW I wanna know what they can do. What they think. This seems all about Bast don’t get me wrong she is an interesting Goddess that I’d like to know more. But she is LAME. She isn’t really powerful if she got her butt kicked AND embarrassed by a Member if the Royal Family. Yikes.[/QUOTE]
In the fight with N'Jadaka, she actually "won" in a sense. N'Jadaka needed her to bite him so the symbiote could do its thing on her. N'Jadaka knew he couldn't beat Bast physically. But he knew what she would do in a battle, which is what most animal gods would do, she bit him as a form of attack.
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Bast's problem, as depicted by Coates, is her extreme arrogance.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4816087]I saw it as the betta and lower gods respecting the alpha bast represents the most powerful of the orisha and so when njadaka took that power he gained their respect. its akin to the bp ritual where two fight it out to obtain the mantle. the onlookers respect and accept the winner as the BP. this is how the battle appeared to me.[/QUOTE]
That's certainly a valid interpretation but not because of anything Coates wrote. A a few lines from any of the other three Orishas would've gone a long way. They are beautifully rendered, but, as Stormphoenix noted, why go through all of the trouble to create them but not add any depth. That fight was a perfect time for the Orishas to be shown a bit of personality. This war is also a great time for that too.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4816085]I love Bast's physical portrayal here. This is what I want to see with Ororo. I don't necessarily mean she has to have a whole body shift, but it should be evident when she is using her goddess powers. One of the easiest ways to demonstrate that would be some kind of physical change, like what we get when her eyes turn white. When they do, we know she is using her mutant powers.
If Ororo was shown to change in some kind of way to show that she is using her goddess powers, what would you guys like to see happen with her?
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I don’t mind her appearance to change, but it really doesn’t have too. I’d say change her voice like it did in Shuri. I liked that it made sense we saw the actual difference between Mutant and Goddess.....Kinda.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4816089]In the fight with N'Jadaka, she actually "won" in a sense. N'Jadaka needed her to bite him so the symbiote could do its thing on her. N'Jadaka knew he couldn't beat Bast physically. But he knew what she would do in a battle, which is what most animal gods would do, she bit him as a form of attack.
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Bast's problem, as depicted by Coates, is her extreme arrogance.[/QUOTE]
That’s true, but I could also argue that N’Jadaka wasn’t even trying. That fight looks like was just not trying to fight her and as soon as they locked hands he was draining her powers. The rest he was just dodging her.
Anyway, she got outsmarted. So, that’s sucks. And also embarrassing..
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4816097]That's certainly a valid interpretation but not because of anything Coates wrote. A a few lines from any of the other three Orishas would've gone a long way. They are beautifully rendered, but, as Stormphoenix noted, why go through all of the trouble to create them but not add any depth. That fight was a perfect time for the Orishas to be shown a bit of personality. This war is also a great time for that too.[/QUOTE]
I can't really speak for why coates has depicted the gods in the way he as but I never saw that particular scene as a space in which the orisha were supposed to react. ritualistic speaking it seems their interactions mimic what the wakandans themselves conduct so them standing back and allowing the chips to fall where the would made sense to me. that said, I would like to see more of their individual personalities but it's not so critical to me where we are in tchallas battle to save wakanda.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4816113]I can't really speak for why coates has depicted the gods in the way he as but I never saw that particular scene as a space in which the orisha were supposed to react. ritualistic speaking it seems their interactions mimic what the wakandans themselves conduct so them standing back and allowing the chips to fall where the would made sense to me. that said, I would like to see more of their individual personalities but it's not so critical to me where we are in tchallas battle to save wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Why Not???
The Orisha should have had some reaction to this, especially this whole War. Guilty Pleasure is right we need to know their input.
That’s like a Group of friends chillin hanging out and some random Azz dude comes out of nowhere and says “All of you have to listen to me now. I’m taking over” a warranted response from anyone would be “Who The F*** are you?!”
Now that I think about it. N’Jadaka should not have challenged Bast directly. I think that was to fast and too early.
If Bast truly is the most powerful of the Orisha who are you random person to say your stronger than our Best?
Coates should have done a trial by combat where he fights ALL the Orisha. Bast should have been last that way him taking over makes sense. It’s the classic Underdog going through the ranks. I think that would have made sense that way we KNOW what the other Orisha think. Because right now they don’t mean anything they represent something but because they have no opinion about anything they serve no purpose yet hopefully.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4816123]Why Not???
The Orisha should have had some reaction to this, especially this whole War. Guilty Pleasure is right we need to know their input.
That’s like a Group of friends chillin hanging out and some random Azz dude comes out of nowhere and says “All of you have to listen to me now. I’m taking over” a warranted response from anyone would be “Who The F*** are you?!”[/QUOTE]
Because we dont know the order in which the Orisha engage with each other. I'm not sure you watch the walking dead or read the comic but the way the orisha engage each other is very similar to how the Whispers interact.
In case you dont, the Whispers have a clear hierarchy with the highest person within the community referred to as alpha. No one questions her and if they do, they have to battle to the death where everyone else in the community sits on without intervention. Though the community's loyalty lies with alpha, if she loses to the individual who contests her power they community ultimately follows the victor.
To assume the Orisha would jump in would assume certain interactions that I dont believe to exist. They are "friends" in the sense that we would engage our peers. There, to me at least, seems to be a certain order in which the orisha engage each other (that goes back to nearly the beginning of time) and this comes through even though they say and do nothing other than to display the wakanda forever salute at the end of the battle.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4815395]I will say I appreciate this approach with showing her tire. it makes sense that going without stopping will do this. I dont think she has tapped into her godhead abilities while fighting the maroons. I think she has been fighting under regular abilities which explains why she is tiring. the last she spoke on the goddess thing she denounced being a wakandan god.
Seconded. Happy B-Day[/QUOTE]
Dear mods - when you edited our posts you inadvertently included another posters response with mine. I didnt make this post about seconded happy birthday that was lord almighty. (^_^)
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4816138]Because we dont know the order in which the Orisha engage with each other. I'm not sure you watch the walking dead or read the comic but the way the orisha engage each other is very similar to how the Whispers interact.
To assume the Orisha would jump in would assume certain interactions that I dont believe to exist. They are "friends" in the sense that we would engage our peers. There, to me at least, seems to be a certain order in which the orisha engage each other (that goes back to nearly the beginning of time) and this comes through even though they say and do nothing other than to display the wakanda forever salute at the end of the battle.[/QUOTE]
That’s the point we are making. We don’t know anything about them. How do we know there is an order to which they engage each other???? We don’t because it’s not stated or expanded on. Therefore they do t actually serve a purpose. Even now Bast is the only one that’s taking action. You see the other Orisha have not joined the fight hell they aren’t even mentioned and the Hadari Yao is the bigger threat again.
I’m not assuming. I’m telling you they should have jumped in that’s not an assumption. Are they Friends??? They don’t act like it. I’d say that’s more of an assumption that they are all friends since it wasn’t stated they are. Again we don’t know what order they act with each other. All we know is their names and what they represent. That’s it the rest we all have no clue which is why me an Guiltily Pleasure are saying Coates needs to expand on what do they actually do. You basically gave us the answer just now.
“ do nothing other than to display the wakanda forever salute at the end of the battle.”