[QUOTE=Kitty&Piotr<3;4792826]This person is posting in bad faith, if anyone was actually unaware.[/QUOTE]
what person beloved?
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[QUOTE=Kitty&Piotr<3;4792826]This person is posting in bad faith, if anyone was actually unaware.[/QUOTE]
what person beloved?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4792863]what person beloved?[/QUOTE]
Nevermind, butterflykyss.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4792746]Question though:
What more needs to be said or confirmed that hasn't been said already; that isn't general knowledge and understood by ALL Storm-fans.
Bottom line...She is the best Leader of the X-men during her tenure. End of.
I don't think more "light" needs to be shed.[/QUOTE]
I mean if that’s how you feel, that’s fine and you have every right to. You can’t, however, not understand why fans of the greatest African American leader in all of comics gets paid dust in an X-office article specifically written to highlight and celebrate X-men leaders in honor of an African American hero/leader. You can’t get more obvious than that. I don’t think anyone is saying that it should’ve been a “Storm centric” article by any means but even a “In honor of one of the great African American civil rights leaders being celebrated today, we would be remiss not to mention a pioneering leader and legend of the X-men, Storm. As the first female and leader of color the X-men ever had, Ororo’s place as one of the greatest leaders and most important female characters in X-lore cannot be understated.”. That was two sentences, two sentences could’ve given Ororo the respect she deserves on this topic, in particular. You really can’t say that’s asking for too much when Cyclops got a paragraph or two.
As to why mention anything about her at all, I don’t really understand your question? Why mention anyone on that list? Because it correlates to the topic of discussion.
[QUOTE=Kitty&Piotr<3;4792866]Nevermind, butterflykyss.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t positive so I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt. Doesn’t bother me either way though tbh.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4792771]you think they are falling in the pic? interesting that's possible.[/QUOTE]
i think so because of her hair and cloak their direction makes me think they are falling/flying, but her face is facing forward into whatever its atacking her.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4792867]I mean if that’s how you feel, that’s fine and you have every right to. You can’t, however, not understand why fans of the greatest African American leader in all of comics gets paid dust in an X-office article specifically written to highlight and celebrate X-men leaders in honor of an African American hero/leader. You can’t get more obvious than that. I don’t think anyone is saying that it should’ve been a “Storm centric” article by any means but even a “In honor of one of the great African American civil rights leaders being celebrated today, we would be remiss not to mention a pioneering leader and legend of the X-men, Storm. As the first female and leader of color the X-men ever had, Ororo’s place as one of the greatest leaders and most important female characters in X-lore cannot be understated.”. That was two sentences, two sentences could’ve given Ororo the respect she deserves on this topic, in particular. You really can’t say that’s asking for too much when Cyclops got a paragraph or two.
As to why mention anything about her at all, I don’t really understand your question? Why mention anyone on that list? Because it correlates to the topic of discussion.[/QUOTE]
At first I thought it was a reach until I saw they specifically referenced MLK and used that as the basis for the article, so yeah you are right. Its in poor tatste
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4792721]Yeah that’s exactly it. I’m really not one to complain just to complain, trust me. But when your article literally states that it’s going to “celebrate leaders of the X-men” in honor of MLK, our most important African American leader, and you don’t give Storm any due? Yeah it’s upsetting to me for sure. I usually hold my tongue but this just seemed wildly inappropriate. Not looking to take shine away from anyone else. Just give Storm what she deserves at least in this instance, damnit! Lol[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Well, this would be the perfect opportunity by the X-people to play up Storm on MLK Day but they've marginalized her for so long, they just don't have anything to say about her at all except "we have big plans for her."
And that pretty much is a blow off.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4792504]I would have been more shocked if they actually said something.
Happy MLK Day.[/QUOTE]
Happy MLK Day to you as well.
[QUOTE=Havok83;4792878]At first I thought it was a reach until I saw they specifically referenced MLK and used that as the basis for the article, so yeah you are right. Its in poor tatste[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4792886][COLOR="#000080"]Well, this would be the perfect opportunity by the X-people to play up Storm on MLK Day but they've marginalized her for so long, they just don't have anything to say about her at all except "we have big plans for her."
And that pretty much is a blow off.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I wish it wasn’t so but you guys are both right. Just a shame tbh. Another opportunity to give credence where it’s due to one of your unquestionably most iconic characters and you just waste it. My minds having a hard time grasping how they could be so tone deaf even on a day such as today.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4792746]Question though:
What more needs to be said or confirmed that hasn't been said already; that isn't general knowledge and understood by ALL Storm-fans.
Bottom line...She is the best Leader of the X-men during her tenure. End of.
I don't think more "light" needs to be shed.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I think the problem is why bring up the particular skills about any X-leader without going into details? And if you're going to give specifics about one and give some vague answer about the other, it undoubted will raise questions and cause fans to react. Especially in the context of MLK Day.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4792504]I would have been more shocked if they actually said something.
Happy MLK Day.[/QUOTE]
Happy MLK day to you too Lam!! And to all of you here. Despite our disappointments let’s not forget to look back and be grateful for the guy who did so much for many of us to have the freedoms we have today. Not without fault, but still a great man. Here’s to you Dr. King!
@ butterflykyss girl you crack me up! Thanks for the love lol I love our little Storm gang on X-twitter too haha. Y’all are some real ones.
Storm is known across the entire planet as one of the GREATEST leaders of the X-Men!
When people are asked about the X-Men or the franchise in general, Storm is one of the first and most popular characters to be mentioned. Nothing will ever take that away from her!
[QUOTE=Kitty&Piotr<3;4792866]Nevermind, butterflykyss.[/QUOTE]
gotcha boo!
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4792902]Happy MLK day to you too Lam!! And to all of you here. Despite our disappointments let’s not forget to look back and be grateful for the guy who did so much for many of us to have the freedoms we have today. Not without fault, but still a great man. Here’s to you Dr. King!
@ butterflykyss girl you crack me up! Thanks for the love lol I love our little Storm gang on X-twitter too haha. Y’all are some real ones.[/QUOTE]
lmfao bish I love you because you are not afraid to say what everyone else is thinking! your one post got this thread lit all the way up and it does because what you said is absolute fact. the article didnt need to be storm centric but if your article is a quote one quote tribute or in honor of mlk day you would think the marvel team would have a little bit more to say about their most popular black character. again diversity is so very important because I'm sure crackshot didnt think anything of not including ororo but I think someone of color specifically a black person would have had given us a different take on leadership within the xlore in honor of mlk.
and yes I love our twitter family too. no mods to ban you or delete posts for silly reasons!!! and I can let my hair down and just have fun!! you're the beat sis. lol
oan ya'll posting too fast for me to respond!! I love it
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4792898][COLOR="#000080"]I think the problem is why bring up the particular skills about any X-leader without going into details? And if you're going to give specifics about one and give some vague answer about the other, it undoubted will raise questions and cause fans to react. Especially in the context of MLK Day.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
It clearly wasn't that sort of article/interview...based off of the questions chosen and the answers given.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4792867]I mean if that’s how you feel, that’s fine and you have every right to. You can’t, however, not understand why fans of the greatest African American leader in all of comics gets paid dust in an X-office article specifically written to highlight and celebrate X-men leaders in honor of an African American hero/leader. You can’t get more obvious than that. I don’t think anyone is saying that it should’ve been a “Storm centric” article by any means but even a [b]“In honor of one of the great African American civil rights leaders being celebrated today, we would be remiss not to mention a pioneering leader and legend of the X-men, Storm. As the first female and leader of color the X-men ever had, Ororo’s place as one of the greatest leaders and most important female characters in X-lore cannot be understated.”[/b]. That was two sentences, two sentences could’ve given Ororo the respect she deserves on this topic, in particular. You really can’t say that’s asking for too much when Cyclops got a paragraph or two.
As to why mention anything about her at all, I don’t really understand your question? Why mention anyone on that list? Because it correlates to the topic of discussion.[/QUOTE]
omg that sentence would have been perfect! tell the truth, shame the devil!
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4792942]It clearly wasn't that sort of article/interview...based off of the questions chosen and the answers given.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]But somehow leadership skills were brought up along with Storm. Someone made a comment that some people found lacking.
You can't blame people for not liking the response.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4792942]It clearly wasn't that sort of article/interview...based off of the questions chosen and the answers given.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone find yet original tweet that they drew the questions from? Because according to this man, there were actually a lot of questions about Storm that just went ignored. Not as was insinuated that there weren’t enough questions about her.
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[QUOTE=Ferro;4792874]i think so because of her hair and cloak their direction makes me think they are falling/flying, but her face is facing forward into whatever its atacking her.[/QUOTE]
you know this could be a pic from where she is taken prisoner or abducted leading to emma and jean needing to save her in uncanny :/
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4793010]Can anyone find yet original tweet that they drew the questions from? Because according to this man, there were actually a lot of questions about Storm that just went ignored. Not as was insinuated that there weren’t enough questions about her.
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can you at me in that tweet. I'm trying to see the source too.
And they decided to have an X-Leadership in General type of interview.
Why is that "particularly egregious"?
None of us work at AiPT and get to decide which questions get chosen or not; what form the article should take; what pictures should be used.
The twitter poster is very rude for attacking Chris and Jordan in that way...he doesn't know them that well to make such judgments based on his hurt sensibilities.
So what if there were a million questions about Storm? They didn't have to choose a single one if they didn't want to. (Perhaps they thought those questions have already been asked and answered). That's their prerogative. Isn't it?
And if it's not "surprising"...why the attitude and angst?
So he's disappointed...and? It's not their fault he feels that way...it's his own for having such expectations in the first place, knowing fully well that they may not be met. And from that perspective...who's the one "lacking in self-awareness"?
Answer: it's not Chris or Jordan.
Because they are not the one sitting and stewing in their own hurt.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4793019]you know this could be a pic from where she is taken prisoner or abducted leading to emma and jean needing to save her in uncanny :/[/QUOTE]
perhaps, but the art screamed "covers" since the art in it seems to be all covers
also dauterman's inside art never has that type of dramatic lighting, its very aparent to his mauraders covers
[QUOTE=Ferro;4793049]perhaps, but the art screamed "covers" since the art in it seems to be all covers[/QUOTE]
oh I gotcha. I thought it was interior art. thanks boo.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4793040]And they decided to have an X-Leadership in General type of interview.
Why is that "particularly egregious"?
None of us work at AiPT and get to decide which questions get chosen or not; what form the article should take; what pictures should be used.
The twitter poster is very rude for attacking Chris and Jordan in that way...he doesn't know them that well to make such judgments based on his hurt sensibilities.
So what if there were a million questions about Storm? They didn't have to choose a single one if they didn't want to. (Perhaps they thought those questions have already been asked and answered). That's their prerogative. Isn't it?
And if it's not "surprising"...why the attitude and angst?
So he's disappointed...and? It's not their fault he feels that way...it's his own for having such expectations in the first place, knowing fully well that they may not be met. And from that perspective...who's the one "lacking in self-awareness"?
Answer: it's not Chris or Jordan.
Because they are not the one sitting and stewing in their own hurt.[/QUOTE]
Sigh... you’re right. Idk why anyone bothers to get upset about anything that happens in comics or at Marvel in general. We don’t work there so we shouldn’t have any say, much less opinions on anything. It’s just dumb that people don’t blindly accept what is given to them without question. Idk what’s wrong with us. Thanks for pointing that out man, really got off out of line there for a minute.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4793051]oh I gotcha. I thought it was interior art. thanks boo.[/QUOTE]
im speculating so you can end up right, but every other teaser looked like a cover teaser, and the picture itself has a strange and dramatic colouring that looks more like a cover than one of dauterman's insides, who from my memory of his work on mighty thor are more simple and realistic to match his impressive art
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4793040]And they decided to have an X-Leadership in General type of interview.
Why is that "particularly egregious"?
None of us work at AiPT and get to decide which questions get chosen or not; what form the article should take; what pictures should be used.
The twitter poster is very rude for attacking Chris and Jordan in that way...he doesn't know them that well to make such judgments based on his hurt sensibilities.
So what if there were a million questions about Storm? They didn't have to choose a single one if they didn't want to. (Perhaps they thought those questions have already been asked and answered). That's their prerogative. Isn't it?
And if it's not "surprising"...why the attitude and angst?
So he's disappointed...and? It's not their fault he feels that way...it's his own for having such expectations in the first place, knowing fully well that they may not be met. And from that perspective...who's the one "lacking in self-awareness"?
Answer: it's not Chris or Jordan.
Because they are not the one sitting and stewing in their own hurt.[/QUOTE]
its not atacking its criticism, valid one, in their official professional accounts. even if with heated language (and barely compared to what twitter can produce) the point of criticism still stands and people can and should speak up, especialy with an historic issue that is ororo's mistreatment.
If you are not anoyed at this thats fine but dont try to stop others from expressing their concerns because you dont share them, or downplaying them.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4793058]Sigh... you’re right. Idk why anyone bothers to get upset about anything that happens in comics or at Marvel in general. We don’t work there so we shouldn’t have any say, much less opinions on anything. It’s just dumb that people don’t blindly accept what is given to them without question. Idk what’s wrong with us. Thanks for pointing that out man, really got off out of line there for a minute.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Co-sign on this.[/COLOR]
Oh For goddess' sake!
Why can't anyone ever read what's in front of them without trying to add spins and alternative meanings to suit themselves? I said and indicated nothing of the sort.
Is that so very difficult to do?
If you want to get upset over something that is out of your control, go right ahead knock yourselves out...but being shytty to others because you feel shytty is...well...shytty.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4793058]Sigh... you’re right. Idk why anyone bothers to get upset about anything that happens in comics or at Marvel in general. We don’t work there so we shouldn’t have any say, much less opinions on anything. It’s just dumb that people don’t blindly accept what is given to them without question. Idk what’s wrong with us. Thanks for pointing that out man, really got off out of line there for a minute.[/QUOTE]
lolol bish I'm dead lol
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4793010]Can anyone find yet original tweet that they drew the questions from? Because according to this man, there were actually a lot of questions about Storm that just went ignored. Not as was insinuated that there weren’t enough questions about her.
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[url]https://twitter.com/AIPTcomics/status/1217077328364351488[/url]
i saw at least 3 people asking Storm questions
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4793067]Oh For goddess' sake!
Why can't anyone ever read what's in front of them without trying to add spins and alternative meanings to suit themselves? I said and indicated nothing of the sort.
Is that so very difficult to do?
If you want to get upset over something that is out of your control, go right ahead knock yourselves out...but being shytty to others because you feel shytty is...well...shytty.[/QUOTE]
Everything is out of control, that is life
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4793067]Oh For goddess' sake!
Why can't anyone ever read what's in front of them without trying to add spins and alternative meanings to suit themselves? I said and indicated nothing of the sort.
Is that so very difficult to do?
If you want to get upset over something that is out of your control, go right ahead knock yourselves out...but being shytty to others because you feel shytty is...well...shytty.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]People have different opinions about things and express them as they see fit. Even if it's beyond their control as you say, they have a right to that opinion and speaking to things they have issues with or disagree with. As long as it's not threatening or disrespectful, it's what it is.
That's the nature of being human.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=spirit2011;4793107][url]https://twitter.com/AIPTcomics/status/1217077328364351488[/url]
i saw at least 3 people asking Storm questions
Everything is out of control, that is life[/QUOTE]
I came across 6 different questions about storm all relevant to leadership.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4793137][COLOR="#000080"]People have different opinions about things and express them as they see fit. Even if it's beyond their control as you say, they have a right to that opinion and speaking to things they have issues with or disagree with. As long as it's not threatening or disrespectful, it's what it is.
That's the nature of being human.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Being human is also knowing whats right and wrong. It's about making responsible decisions.
That twitter post was disrespectful and incited disrespect...and why? Because he felt personally aggrieved over a matter that wasn't directly pointed at him.
So...either you call it out for what it is or you enable it (when it suits your purpose).
There wasn't anything wrong with that post. The truth is blunt sometimes and the convenient forgetting about Storm is pointed and personal.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;4793194]Being human is also knowing whats right and wrong. It's about making responsible decisions.
That twitter post was disrespectful and incited disrespect...and why? Because he felt personally aggrieved over a matter that wasn't directly pointed at him.
So...either you call it out for what it is or you enable it (when it suits your purpose).[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's the thing, we have the right to point out things that we agree or disagree with on either side of the argument.
And everyone doesn't make responsible decisions.[/COLOR]
where was the disrespect in simply stating the truth? its mlk day and several questions were asked relevant to storm yet none of the responses even mentioned her, the premiere black female who was leader of the xmen at a time where there were no female or black led popular superhero teams? there is something odd in that and I would surprised if no one brought it up. having these discussions help for more diversity but it could be a thing they are not interested in the character.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4793226]where was the disrespect in simply stating the truth? its mlk day and several questions were asked relevant to storm yet none of the responses even mentioned her, the premiere black female who was leader of the xmen at a time where there were no female or black led popular superhero teams? there is something odd in that and I would surprised if no one brought it up. having these discussions help for more diversity but it could be a thing they are not interested in the character.[/QUOTE]
not to mention Jordan has been throwing shade imo on characters of color for a while. especially females. or rather let me rephrase i felt it was shade for him to have an intern do the Storm AIPT while he sat in the same room acting like he was too busy for it but he's ready to drop his drawers over a Scott question.
[QUOTE=jwatson;4793228]not to mention Jordan has been throwing shade imo on characters of color for a while. especially females. or rather let me rephrase i felt it was shade for him to have an intern do the Storm AIPT while he sat in the same room acting like he was too busy for it but he's ready to drop his drawers over a Scott question.[/QUOTE]
omg teas???? what that was an intern that did storm aipt? I thought it was the editor of mauraders? also when has he thrown shade at other characters of color?
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4793218][COLOR="#000080"]That's the thing, we have the right to point out things that we agree or disagree with on either side of the argument.
[B]And everyone doesn't make responsible decisions.[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
That's for absolute certain. That'st why the twitterverse is what it is. Enh! Wha' yuh go do?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4793257]omg teas???? what that was an intern that did storm aipt? I thought it was the editor of mauraders? also when has he thrown shade at other characters of color?[/QUOTE]
It was the assistant editors that he send to do Storm monday. Jean he send some writers, even one that hates the character.
We can see what characters he doesn't have familiarity