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I loved that " Have a taste." My jaw dropped. I've said it again and again Percy is not the best at team books but when it comes to writing from the vantage point of a singular character he is really good. I loved his Logan voice but i am suprised how much i love his voice for Ororo.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5236940]which is probably why she hasn't used her powers once yet in a meaningful way. I suspect Ms. Munroe is going to get to an "Enough" point and cut loose.[/QUOTE]
This late in the game...I hardly doubt it. (I personally think it will be Jean and Scott who are the deciding factors in the finale).
I have to agree with Chief12d...the method by which Storm wins is very Perseus vs the Gorgon in Clash of the Titans. ie. Not original at all (nor very interesting, really... but that's what we get in lieu of dinner parties that go on too long and history told and re told).
I was hoping for more interaction between the two because...Storm. And I don't think the Horsemen are that "weak". They survived a thousand years fighting demons...their duels should never be as weak as they're presented in-story.
[QUOTE=Havok83;5237019]Had she not stolen Stormbreaker, she wouldnt have been there. Given how nonsensical the other battles are and how biased they are in favor of Arakko, Im not sure Storm stealing it was worth it[/QUOTE]
I mean looking at how the fight went down Storm could've gotten any ole sword that could withstand Death's blade and still won. Hell I think that if she had access to her powers she wouldn't have needed a sword at all. The point of Skybreaker was to break her and T'Challa up, not set up some compelling fight sequence between her and Death. Unless they use it to drive more conflict between Krakoa and Wakanda it very likely gets forgotten and retconned away.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237114]I mean looking at how the fight went down Storm could've gotten any ole sword that could withstand Death's blade and still won. Hell I think that if she had access to her powers she wouldn't have needed a sword at all. The [B]point of Skybreaker was to break her and T'Challa up[/B], not set up some compelling fight sequence between her and Death. Unless they use it to drive more conflict between Krakoa and Wakanda it very likely gets forgotten and retconned away.[/QUOTE]
which makes this even more annoying
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5237050][COLOR="#000080"]Well there's still War, Famine and Pestilence so ya never know.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
LOL.
War burned that bridge at the meet and greet.
Pestilence seems above and beyond romantic inclinations
Famine is...unknown. Of the four he is the least fleshed out.
[QUOTE=Havok83;5237118]which makes this even more annoying[/QUOTE]
exactly. we all know why the xoffices did what they did. this is why the Franklin news is s nice to see. this is what happens when offices disregard others work from different offices.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5237104]This late in the game...I hardly doubt it. (I personally think it will be Jean and Scott who are the deciding factors in the finale).
I have to agree with Chief12d...the method by which Storm wins is very Perseus vs the Gorgon in Clash of the Titans. ie. Not original at all (nor very interesting, really... but that's what we get in lieu of dinner parties that go on too long and history told and re told).
I was hoping for more interaction between the two because...Storm. And I don't think the Horsemen are that "weak". They survived a thousand years fighting demons...their duels should never be as weak as they're presented in-story.[/QUOTE]
I agree the Horsemen aren't weak, they're just coming across that way because instead of in-depth combat we're getting Saturnyne's games. I admit they're better executed this week than the batch of issues that came before, but we could've gotten more extensive fights while keeping the subversion of expectation that comes with the deck being stacked against the X-Men.
The decision to turn these last few issues into a whimsical set of trials robbed the Horsemen of the opportunity to really show off their powers and personality. After nearly 19 issues we know basically nothing about them, their personal convictions, and relationships. War is probably the most fleshed out and even she has little to her character. Hopefully the Horsemen stick around past this event because I see them going the way of the Black Order if they aren't seen past this event.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237140]I agree the Horsemen aren't weak, they're just coming across that way because instead of in-depth combat we're getting Saturnyne's games. I admit they're better executed this week than the batch of issues that came before, but we could've gotten more extensive fights while keeping the subversion of expectation that comes with the deck being stacked against the X-Men.
The decision to turn these last few issues into a whimsical set of trials robbed the Horsemen of the opportunity to really show off their powers and personality. After nearly 19 issues we know basically nothing about them, their personal convictions, and relationships. War is probably the most fleshed out and even she has little to her character. Hopefully the Horsemen stick around past this event because I see them going the way of the Black Order if they aren't seen past this event.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure they will be around beyond this event.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237122]exactly. we all know why the xoffices did what they did. this is why the Franklin news is s nice to see. this is what happens when offices disregard others work from different offices.[/QUOTE]
It is a two way street.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5237120]LOL.
War burned that bridge at the meet and greet.
Pestilence seems above and beyond romantic inclinations
Famine is...unknown. Of the four he is the least fleshed out.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I'm inclined to believe that they all held back in fear of Death. They weren't willing to risk his wrath by going after Storm.
Once Storm told Death to drop dead, they saw their chance.
But, I don't think Death is quite done yet. He may be even more intrigued by the woman who beat him.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=baxer;5237156]It is a two way street.[/QUOTE]
totally agree. I just think its funny to see it happen the opposite way. some found it nice the xoffices were largely ignoring Coates Storm development so its funny when another office works to ignore the xoffices storyline. the irony is what I'm here for.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237114]I mean looking at how the fight went down Storm could've gotten any ole sword that could withstand Death's blade and still won. [/QUOTE]
Yes, Ororo did the same thing in a previous Marauders issue where she was de-powered briefly and she still won with just her knife. Skybreaker could have been any sword and she would have won. This was yet another reminder (Storm vs Callisto, Storm vs Cyclops, etc) that Storm is still amazing even without her powers.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237140]I agree the Horsemen aren't weak, they're just coming across that way because instead of in-depth combat we're getting Saturnyne's games. I admit they're better executed this week than the batch of issues that came before, but we could've gotten more extensive fights while keeping the subversion of expectation that comes with the deck being stacked against the X-Men.
The decision to turn these last few issues into a whimsical set of trials robbed the Horsemen of the opportunity to really show off their powers and personality. After nearly 19 issues we know basically nothing about them, their personal convictions, and relationships. War is probably the most fleshed out and even she has little to her character. Hopefully the Horsemen stick around past this event because I see them going the way of the Black Order if they aren't seen past this event.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Since everyone is supposed to be fighting by the rules, maybe they're all holding back their true powers. We certainly know that it's not over yet so maybe we'll get to see both Arakko and Krakoa cut loose.[/COLOR]
Amused at Storm drunkly swaggering around the whole place like a catwalk.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5237167][COLOR="#000080"]Since everyone is supposed to be fighting by the rules, maybe they're all holding back their true powers. We certainly know that it's not over yet so maybe we'll get to see both Arakko and Krakoa cut loose.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
death pulling his signature death stare move wasnt holding back he was definitely looking to take her out.
kinda interesting he wasn't immune to his own ability though.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;5237169]Amused at Storm drunkly swaggering around the whole place like a catwalk.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Could she have been pretending to be intoxicated? She may have lulled some people. [/COLOR]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237172]death pulling his signature death stare move wasnt holding back he was definitely looking to take her out.
kinda interesting he wasn't immune to his own ability though.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]He's gotta be more than just a death stare. Maybe Saturnye is playing more games with everyone.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;5237178][COLOR="#000080"]He's gotta be more than just a death stare. Maybe Saturnye is playing more games with everyone.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
perhaps. I'm just happy that little "ship" that some where trying to push was put to death. see what I did there lol.
so is death actually dead? I thought the legion of dead running to read on his body would indicate such some are saying he isn't based on the info spread in cable.
Why did they have to do Death like that? I was deathly deep in my fan-fiction between the two now it is all lost like a fart in the wind.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237165]totally agree. I just think its funny to see it happen the opposite way. some found it nice the xoffices were largely ignoring Coates Storm development so its funny when another office works to ignore the xoffices storyline. the irony is what I'm here for.[/QUOTE]
Krakoa is full of retcons, nobody can point the finger around. it is a nice reminder that it can come back bite your butt.
They even created a sword for wakanda via retcon. I wish the sword was Storm heritage from her own family.
tbh i'm a little disappointed with Death, i thought that he being an millenial warrior could have given Storm a worthy fight, but he was defeated so easily and if Storm had her powers this fight would be faster than Betsy vs Isca lol.
besides, i also expected more from their relationship.
[QUOTE=baxer;5237218]Krakoa is full of retcons, nobody can point the finger around. it is a nice reminder that it can come back bite your butt.
They even created a sword for wakanda via retcon. I wish the sword was Storm heritage from her own family.[/QUOTE]
You're not wrong. People were all "YAAS QUEEN" a few weeks ago when a contrived story was told to separate Storm from the BP books and complaining now that the FF books are doing the same with Franklin. I agree with both separations (though they were terrible in execution) and people have to accept that's the nature of a shared universe.
The primary writer of a character may not always want to share with the greater MU and we've seen both sides of that. I expect more of this kind of stuff in the future depending on how "aggressive" the X-office is going to be with emphasizing mutantdom across Marvel. Not every writer is gonna wanna loan out their characters to the narrative Hickman is telling and fans have to deal with it.
[QUOTE=baxer;5237218]Krakoa is full of retcons, nobody can point the finger around. it is a nice reminder that it can come back bite your butt.
They even created a sword for wakanda via retcon. I wish the sword was Storm heritage from her own family.[/QUOTE]
it would have made more sense having the sword derive from her own heritage as opposed to trying to sever ties she has to communities outside the xmen. but maybe this is an company wide thing to establish clear and distinct boundaries hence the reveal regarding Franklin.
and it's biting their butts in a big way and im so here for it lololol
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237209]perhaps. I'm just happy that little "ship" that some where trying to push was put to death. see what I did there lol.
so is death actually dead? I thought the legion of dead running to read on his body would indicate such some are saying he isn't based on the info spread in cable.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Well Death is a hard ship, just ask Thanos.
Imo, I don't think Death is dead. He'll be back.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5237226]tbh i'm a little disappointed with Death, i thought that he being an millenial warrior could have given Storm a worthy fight, but he was defeated so easily and if Storm had her powers this fight would be faster than Betsy vs Isca lol.
besides, i also expected more from their relationship.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Don't worry, at some point Storm will see Death again.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237238]You're not wrong. People were all "YAAS QUEEN" a few weeks ago when a contrived story was told to separate Storm from the BP books and complaining now that the FF books are doing the same with Franklin. I agree with both separations (though they were terrible in execution) and people have to accept that's the nature of a shared universe.
The primary writer of a character may not always want to share with the greater MU and we've seen both sides of that. I expect more of this kind of stuff in the future depending on how "aggressive" the X-office is going to be with emphasizing mutantdom across Marvel. Not every writer is gonna wanna loan out their characters to the narrative Hickman is telling and fans have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]The X-office isn't done with the greater MU by a longshot. We've got a war looming on the horizon.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237238]You're not wrong. People were all "YAAS QUEEN" a few weeks ago when a contrived story was told to separate Storm from the BP books and complaining now that the FF books are doing the same with Franklin. I agree with both separations (though they were terrible in execution) and people have to accept that's the nature of a shared universe.
The primary writer of a character may not always want to share with the greater MU and we've seen both sides of that. I expect more of this kind of stuff in the future depending on how "aggressive" the X-office is going to be with emphasizing mutantdom across Marvel. Not every writer is gonna wanna loan out their characters to the narrative Hickman is telling and fans have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
they sure were like that! I'm here for the tears lol.
I dont agree with ororo separating from tchalla though but I think the xoffices were tired of what coates was doing being compared to their work. the best thing for them was just cut the strings. as you said, the execution was poorly done but Coates did show their relationship could be written in a manner that was healthy and with love in the center.
[QUOTE=HeraldOfStorm;5237226]tbh i'm a little disappointed with Death, i thought that he being an millenial warrior could have given Storm a worthy fight, but he was defeated so easily and if Storm had her powers this fight would be faster than Betsy vs Isca lol.
besides, i also expected more from their relationship.[/QUOTE]
Yupp. I feel the same with ALL the one on one battles so far, to be honest
We might have gotten good showings if someone hadn't "screwed the storytelling pooch" on the second half of this event.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237238]You're not wrong. People were all "YAAS QUEEN" a few weeks ago when a contrived story was told to separate Storm from the BP books and complaining now that the FF books are doing the same with Franklin. I agree with both separations (though they were terrible in execution) and people have to accept that's the nature of a shared universe.
The primary writer of a character may not always want to share with the greater MU and we've seen both sides of that. I expect more of this kind of stuff in the future depending on how "aggressive" the X-office is going to be with emphasizing mutantdom across Marvel. Not every writer is gonna wanna loan out their characters to the narrative Hickman is telling and fans have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]
Seperating a charting from a person said character is dating an another franchise is completely different than separating a character from his own past history, franklyn has had an x-gene as long as i remember are completely different beasts imo but i can't be upset that Franklyn's home base chose to make that decision it's on them.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5237266]Seperating a charting from a person said character is dating an another franchise is completely different than separating a character from his own past history, franklyn has had an x-gene as long as i remember are completely different beasts imo but i can't be upset that Franklyn's home base chose to make that decision it's on them.[/QUOTE]
you know tchalla and ororo share a past history that extends all the way back to her childhood?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237269]you know tchalla and ororo share a past history that extends all the way back to her childhood?[/QUOTE]
And they can still talk and speak etc. Storm had a whole history without him, Franklyn had a piece of his actual body reformatted to fit a new narrative to me that is different than a break up with a husband wife or whatever. Happens every day.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5237270]And they can still talk and speak etc. Storm had a whole history without him, Franklyn had a piece of his actual body reformatted to fit a new narrative to me that is different than a break up with a husband wife or whatever. Happens every day.[/QUOTE]
its the same difference. one office didn't want ororo linked to tchalla, the other didn't want Franklin linked to mutants. thats how retcons work when writers don't want to interact with creators with different ideas. these are comics at the end of the day so anything goes and im here for it!!!
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237274]its the same difference. one office didn't want ororo linked to tchalla, the other didn't want Franklin linked to mutants. thats how retcons work when writers don't want to interact with creators with different ideas. these are comics at the end of the day so anything goes and im here for it!!![/QUOTE]
in your opinion it's the same difference to me it's not but thats cool. just like i don't think changing storm past to have her sleep with tchalla when she was 12 in a bp book is the same as Storm leaving BP in an X-book. One changed the history of the character itself the other changed a situation but i'm cool with disagreeing. ^_^
For all the time that Franklin's X-gene was relevant to him and the story being told around him, whether in X-Men or F4...he might as well have never had it, to begin with.
I don't know if Slott knew about HiX-Man and Zdarsky's use of and intent for the character (although I don't see how he could not have known) but...he did what he needed to do to retain control of his character's story (until the next writer comes along).
And I'm okies with that just as I'm okies with the X-Office changing the Storm/BP narrative.
[QUOTE=Devaishwarya;5237280]For all the time that Franklin's X-gene was relevant to him and the story being told around him, whether in X-Men or F4...he might as well have never had it, to begin with.
I don't know if Slott knew about HiX-Man and Zdarsky's use of and intent for the character (although I don't see how he could not have known) but...he did what he needed to do to retain control of his character's story (until the next writer comes along).[/QUOTE]
In the grand scheme of things it's no big loss, just like the Wakanda one. Except this one actually makes less sense given franklyn has lost his powers several times. Otherwise it's not like he was serving some legitimate purpose in the story or that there was any real expectation of him. My merit of his name always being in red i personally never expected him to even really show up so it's not like it's a big deal. but when the fundamentals don't make sense to me i like to mention. lol
But i will add losing a connection to the X-franchise will hurt the FF in the long run since they were always kismet as far back as i can remember. I don't see the xmen losing anything by losing a connection to wakanda.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5237278]in your opinion it's the same difference to me it's not but thats cool. just like i don't think changing storm past to have her sleep with tchalla when she was 12 in a bp book is the same as Storm leaving BP in an X-book. One changed the history of the character itself the other changed a situation but i'm cool with disagreeing. ^_^[/QUOTE]
I thought that dickey story was abominable but it was retconned back to the original story in extraordinary xmen annual 1.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5237290]I thought that dickey story was abominable but it was retconned back to the original story in extraordinary xmen annual 1.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't remember but i know for me i'm just burnt out on the narrative that Storm had nothing without tchalla and just want to focus on storm. Thats not to take away from her past but i want to see my girl stand on her own again. People love to say she had nothing and wasn't being used but i enjoyed X-treme xmen which was running and something was on the horizon before it was pulled. I didn't like the premise of Extraodrinary X-men but i enjoyed the hell out of the issues and Storm leading and she was doing fine and then she was pulled again and all of a sudden stepped down for kitty. And yes that may be on the x-office but all i know is as a Storm fan what i like and it's not having to go get BP, others do. I want Storm to have prominence again on her own because for whatever reason anytime she is paired with tchalla she pays and again that may be on the x-office but as an x-fan first and a storm fan it just ain't worth it for me. I am honestly loving Storm lately and i don't bemoan anyone what they like, just not for me.
[QUOTE=jwatson;5237266]Seperating a charting from a person said character is dating an another franchise is completely different than separating a character from his own past history, franklyn has had an x-gene as long as i remember are completely different beasts imo but i can't be upset that Franklyn's home base chose to make that decision it's on them.[/QUOTE]
This is comics, recontextualizing the nature of a character's powers happens quite often. Immortal Hulk is doing it right now (to critical acclaim), Coates was doing it when he explored Storm's godhead, etc. Franklin's powers being retconned is hardly earth shattering and functionally no different than Storm and her boyfriend having a falling out. The motivations (the primary writer wanting to tell their story without the influence of another writer) are the same.
[QUOTE=chief12d;5237329]This is comics, recontextualizing the nature of a character's powers happens quite often. Immortal Hulk is doing it right now (to critical acclaim), Coates was doing it when he explored Storm's godhead, etc. Franklin's powers being retconned is hardly earth shattering and functionally no different than Storm and her boyfriend having a falling out. The motivations (the primary writer wanting to tell their story without the influence of another writer) are the same.[/QUOTE]
Which as i've said many time i totally don't begrudge a writer for wanting to tell his story but i know what my jumping off point is. Also Banner and the multiple personality thing has been alluded too for as long as i can remember also him being a latent mutant who the gamma bomb awakened but never truly confirmed. In his case again it's a little different than specifically doing something we have seen before with Franklyn losing his powers and now trying to make it different and thats coming off a storyline in the same year where they just did a storyline where reed altered his dna to hide that very thing. Also coates explored storm's godhood which was also always hinted at he did not take anything away from her nor did Storm breaking up with Tchalla take anything away from her other than a man at the moment. What actually happened doesn't make sense to me but i can agree it is what it is. Storm on the other hand it make sense to me after waiting on Tchalla and Wakanda time after time when they asked that it would bother her that they asked her to wait on them and she chose not to. But i try to think in context.