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The FF crossover was so good. It's awesome to see a book balance the needs of many characters, even if Franklin and Kitty are the leads. Storm looked fantastic and had a nice presence throughout even if she wasn't a dominating force(except against you know who...).
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4817406]The FF crossover was so good. It's awesome to see a book balance the needs of many characters, even if Franklin and Kitty are the leads. Storm looked fantastic and had a nice presence throughout even if she wasn't a dominating force(except against you know who...).[/QUOTE]
Don't tease me sir. Just pull it out...I mean spoil us. Lol
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4817406]The FF crossover was so good. It's awesome to see a book balance the needs of many characters, even if Franklin and Kitty are the leads. Storm looked fantastic and had a nice presence throughout even if she wasn't a dominating force(except against you know who...).[/QUOTE]
I have two comments on Storm in FF.
[Spoil] Did they nerf her water feat. in HoX. Because they could make water images without her? Did she seem more fanatical than normal considering she was the one who insisted mutants should be able to keep their connections outside of Krakoa?[/spoil]
[QUOTE=Cville;4817608]I have two comments on Storm in FF.
[Spoil] Did they nerf her water feat. in HoX. Because they could make water images without her? Did she seem more fanatical than normal considering she was the one who insisted mutants should be able to keep their connections outside of Krakoa?[/spoil][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I thought she was needed to do that. Maybe they juat found another hydrokinetic mutant
I read the Director's Cut, and I think that was more Dodson's idea, rather than explicit in the script. I guess he didn't really think it through, and just thought it was a nice visual.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4817568]Don't tease me sir. Just pull it out...I mean spoil us. Lol[/QUOTE]
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How do you do the spoiler thingie?
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How do you do the spoiler thingie?[/QUOTE]
The same way you did this image except the word in the brackets is "spoil".
i enjoyed mauraders. I really like what I'm seeing from duggan now in this book. bishop was too badass and funny.
xmen/f4 was a big no for me. the conflict between the xmen/f4 was too forced and frankly didnt quite make sense considering the fact he is a minor. regardless of what he wants to do or the xmen, his parents have full custody over him and therefore what they say is final (imho).
So it wasn't a big thing, but
[SPOIL] Storm tossed Johnny away with a gust of wind. The fighting wasn't protracted, and he came back and was tussling with Iceman soon enough, but it was cute and she looked fabulous:
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[QUOTE=yogaflame;4817800]So it wasn't a big thing, but
[SPOIL] Storm tossed Johnny away with a gust of wind. The fighting wasn't protracted, and he came back and was tussling with Iceman soon enough, but it was cute and she looked fabulous:
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spoilers tag doesnt hide the image fyi.
Oops. It's almost noon.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4817793]i enjoyed mauraders. I really like what I'm seeing from duggan now in this book. bishop was too badass and funny.
xmen/f4 was a big no for me. the conflict between the xmen/f4 was too forced and frankly didnt quite make sense considering the fact he is a minor. regardless of what he wants to do or the xmen, his parents have full custody over him and therefore what they say is final (imho).[/QUOTE]
Hey Kyss :) spill the thoughts on the story, Storm’s characterization and action details. PM me if you prefer vs positing in the thread.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4817793]i enjoyed mauraders. I really like what I'm seeing from duggan now in this book. bishop was too badass and funny.
xmen/f4 was a big no for me. the conflict between the xmen/f4 was too forced and frankly didnt quite make sense considering the fact he is a minor. regardless of what he wants to do or the xmen, his parents have full custody over him and therefore what they say is final (imho).[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I liked the FF issue more(of course the plot points are contrived, but it was fun, and I can't wait for Ororo to wake up next issue to see [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Doom[/COLOR]!!).
In Marauders, I felt like Callisto was far too accommodating of both Emma and Kate's points of view. It was nice to see Bishop do something, but Duggan is still nowhere near as interesting to me as Hickman and Percy(X-Force). I hope he doesn't make Ororo look too stupid next issue....
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4817816]Hey Kyss :) spill the thoughts on the story, Storm’s characterization and action details. PM me if you prefer vs positing in the thread.[/QUOTE]
Hey WW here are my storm specific thoughts pertaining to both issues I read:
Mauraders:
[spoil] She did really do much in this story; however, Duggan knocked it out of the park for me with how she was characterized. Callisto conditionally accepted the white knight role and upon greeting Ororo, she refers to her as a goddess and throws a knife at Ororos face. Ororo instinctively catches the knife and refers to her as a Morlock and then they share a loving embrace. It was such an amazing moment. Pyro then commented how he understood how the xmen were never defeated by the brotherhood based upon this. Such a badass, yet loving moment.
Xmen/F4
This issue... Goddess. The preview showed the initial moments where storm is included. The garden bit was nice but then we see Xavier looking at a hydrokinetic display of Franklin were storm is obviously missing from this. But whatever.
The next time we see Storm she is on yancy street with a delegate of xmen looking to convince the Richards to let Franklin come back to krakoa. Sue, upon their arrival, is defensive putting a shield in place to keep the xmen from Franklin. Kitty phases through and hugs Franklin and everyone goes inside. Once inside the F4 home, it eventually goes downhill where the xmen and F4 get combative on whether Franklin should stay with his family or come back to Krakoa where Xavier can examine why his powers are dwindling. Ororo tells Ben outside (while the others are being combative) that she does believe franklin should come to krakoa due to all the hate mutants face in the world. I was immediately turned off by this because I do not believe ororo would be ok Franklin being separated from his family.
Moving on, Kitty and Franklin sneak off to the krakoa gate where she tells him he supports him no matter what he decides. Johnny then confronts them accusing Kitty of essentially kidnapping him. That's when Storm blows Johnny away from them and start the xmen battle against the F4. What I did like here is besides Storm blowing Johnny away we dont see her fighting the f4. It appears she stays out of it which considering her friendship to the f4 makes sense. Thereafter, we learn Reed has deactivated Franklin mutant gene which prevents him from going into the krakoa gate.
That was it from Storm. What was incredibly frustrating is that the overall fight felt very forced. Even if the xmen thought that the Richards were doing horrible things to franklin, he is still a minor and they ultimately have the right to tell him that he cant go to krakoa and the xmen should accept that. Reed even says he will be an adult soon and can then decide to go there if he chooses too. I completely side with the F4 here but I overall wasnt impressed with how they chose to create this conflict. It seemed a bit OOC to me. [/spoil]
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4817820]Hmm, I liked the FF issue more(of course the plot points are contrived, but it was fun, and I can't wait for Ororo to wake up next issue to see [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Doom[/COLOR]!!).
In Marauders, I felt like Callisto was far too accommodating of both Emma and Kate's points of view. It was nice to see Bishop do something, but Duggan is still nowhere near as interesting to me as Hickman and Percy(X-Force). I hope he doesn't make Ororo look too stupid next issue....[/QUOTE]
I missed that part [spoil] I'm still waiting for storm to give doom payback for doomwar[/spoil]
I'm looking forward to the next issue. and then of course we will see what places storm in a vegetative state in the giant size issue.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4817870]Hey WW here are my storm specific thoughts pertaining to both issues I read:
Mauraders:
[spoil] She did really do much in this story; however, Duggan knocked it out of the park for me with how she was characterized. Callisto conditionally accepted the white knight role and upon greeting Ororo, she refers to her as a goddess and throws a knife at Ororos face. Ororo instinctively catches the knife and refers to her as a Morlock and then they share a loving embrace. It was such an amazing moment. Pyro then commented how he understood how the xmen were never defeated by the brotherhood based upon this. Such a badass, yet loving moment.
Xmen/F4
This issue... Goddess. The preview showed the initial moments where storm is included. The garden bit was nice but then we see Xavier looking at a hydrokinetic display of Franklin were storm is obviously missing from this. But whatever.
The next time we see Storm she is on yancy street with a delegate of xmen looking to convince the Richards to let Franklin come back to krakoa. Sue, upon their arrival, is defensive putting a shield in place to keep the xmen from Franklin. Kitty phases through and hugs Franklin and everyone goes inside. Once inside the F4 home, it eventually goes downhill where the xmen and F4 get combative on whether Franklin should stay with his family or come back to Krakoa where Xavier can examine why his powers are dwindling. Ororo tells Ben outside (while the others are being combative) that she does believe franklin should come to krakoa due to all the hate mutants face in the world. I was immediately turned off by this because I do not believe ororo would be ok Franklin being separated from his family.
Moving on, Kitty and Franklin sneak off to the krakoa gate where she tells him he supports him no matter what he decides. Johnny then confronts them accusing Kitty of essentially kidnapping him. That's when Storm blows Johnny away from them and start the xmen battle against the F4. What I did like here is besides Storm blowing Johnny away we dont see her fighting the f4. It appears she stays out of it which considering her friendship to the f4 makes sense. Thereafter, we learn Reed has deactivated Franklin mutant gene which prevents him from going into the krakoa gate.
That was it from Storm. What was incredibly frustrating is that the overall fight felt very forced. Even if the xmen thought that the Richards were doing horrible things to franklin, he is still a minor and they ultimately have the right to tell him that he cant go to krakoa and the xmen should accept that. Reed even says he will be an adult soon and can then decide to go there if he chooses too. I completely side with the F4 here but I overall wasnt impressed with how they chose to create this conflict. It seemed a bit OOC to me. [/spoil][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4817887]I missed that part [spoil] I'm still waiting for storm to give doom payback for doomwar[/spoil]
I'm looking forward to the next issue. and then of course we will see what places storm in a vegetative state in the giant size issue.[/QUOTE]
Thank you luv <3. It looks like I should pick up Marauders and XFF books. The X-Men sound way OOC and I don’t get why I am seeing Magneto presebt here. Out of the X-Men Storm, Wolverine, Bobby & Kitty have the historical connection with the FF that would make this mission more plausible, even it did end up going south. Hmmm.....
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4817910]Thank you luv <3. It looks like I should pick up Marauders and XFF books. The X-Men sound way OOC and I don’t get why I am seeing Magneto presebt here. Out of the X-Men Storm, Wolverine, Bobby & Kitty have the historical connection with the FF that would make this mission more plausible, even it did end up going south. Hmmm.....[/QUOTE]
yes please pick up both issues. I would love to hear your thoughts. you make excellent points. I know level headed discussions dont lend well to action packed stories but this all kinda felt avx-y and ivx-y but not as bad.
I think any fight Ororo has with the Human Torch should be in her favor. Johnny has no chance against her tbh
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4817793]i enjoyed mauraders. I really like what I'm seeing from duggan now in this book. bishop was too badass and funny.
xmen/f4 was a big no for me. the conflict between the xmen/f4 was too forced and frankly didnt quite make sense considering the fact he is a minor. regardless of what he wants to do or the xmen, his parents have full custody over him and therefore what they say is final (imho).[/QUOTE]
This is how I feel for the most part as well! Wasn’t a huge role but definitely stoked for the next Marauders issue. Duggan’s callback to Uncanny #170 was a treat.
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As for FF/X it was fun but you would’ve had me f*cked up if you thought you were coming into my house, proclaiming superiority, and then telling me what’s best for my son. Especially bringing Erik in and leaving Ororo, the bridge/voice of reason between both teams, outside?? After Onslaught Xavier was lucky Sue didn’t cap Erik with a brain bubble on SIGHT.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4817820]Hmm, I liked the FF issue more(of course the plot points are contrived, but it was fun, and I can't wait for Ororo to wake up next issue to see [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Doom[/COLOR]!!).
In Marauders, I felt like Callisto was far too accommodating of both Emma and Kate's points of view. It was nice to see Bishop do something, but Duggan is still nowhere near as interesting to me as Hickman and Percy(X-Force). I hope he doesn't make Ororo look too stupid next issue....[/QUOTE]
I’m also super excited for the next issue of FF/X because, although I’m aware of false hope, Pyro going to wake Ororo up just before Doom attacks... just screams potential Ororo/Doom conflict. Especially with their history. It would be so disappointing if they don’t do anything with that as it seemed like they were directly setting it up in a way, timing wise. Ororo should bust outta that below deck cabin like she shot out of that rock landslide BP #172 lmaoo
Well, Storm this week was ok.
[spoil]Marauders - This was good. Though I was expecting some shade between Storm and Callisto, but i'm fine with what I got. It was a nice reference if anyone knows about their History. I hope Lockheed isn't dead and I hope Kitty told Emma what happened. I'm going to guess that's the reason why Storm get's Pissed.
X-Men Vs FF - This was Good. But I would say both sides approached the situation poorly. Sue Richards was not rational at all. The BS Reed pulled is a classic Reed.
Storm's conversation with Ben to me was weird. But i'm glad to see Storm showing how better she is against Johnny Storm. And i'm happy Storm didn't really engage in battle and i'm happy Sue or any other FF member didn't attack Storm. To I will assume it's because of their friendship. [/spoil]
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4817985]This is how I feel for the most part as well! Wasn’t a huge role but definitely stoked for the next Marauders issue. Duggan’s callback to Uncanny #170 was a treat.
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As for FF/X it was fun but you would’ve had me f*cked up if you thought you were coming into my house, proclaiming superiority, and then telling me what’s best for my son. Especially bringing Erik in and leaving Ororo, the bridge/voice of reason between both teams, outside?? After Onslaught Xavier was lucky Sue didn’t cap Erik with a brain bubble on SIGHT.[/QUOTE]
Baby!!!! This post is epic! Thank you for the throwback pics of their initial battle. It was definitely a delight to see!
And I'm screaming!!! rolling do you hear me about them having you f'd up lolol because you absolutely right. Sue had every right to go savage mode on the xmen. And you are still speaking so much truth. why is Erik in there, as opposed to ororo who is actually a good friend of the F4? and I so wish she would have popped their brains. magneto especially was workin my nerves.
Oan: I remember how people scoffed at the idea of ororo being a god and how they didnt like it or whatever but what I find interesting now is how there are different elements of "godhood" being discussed. For instance, we're seeing this talk more in Hickmans xmen with Magneto talking of mutants being "gods" then today in F4 there was this talk of the source of the f4 coming from God power. Is it meant to dilute what we've learned of Ororo's godhead or simply to make the idea of superpowered beings actual gods more common place? I dont really know but it's something I dont believe to be coincidental.
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4818021]I’m also super excited for the next issue of FF/X because, although I’m aware of false hope, Pyro going to wake Ororo up just before Doom attacks... just screams potential Ororo/Doom conflict. Especially with their history. It would be so disappointing if they don’t do anything with that as it seemed like they were directly setting it up in a way, timing wise. Ororo should bust outta that below deck cabin like she shot out of that rock landslide BP #172 lmaoo[/QUOTE]
Nothing but truth. This is why I sometimes feel like there some minor mental manipulation going on the island.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4818212]Nothing but truth. This is why I sometimes feel like there some minor mental manipulation going on the island.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4818021]I’m also super excited for the next issue of FF/X because, although I’m aware of false hope, Pyro going to wake Ororo up just before Doom attacks... just screams potential Ororo/Doom conflict. Especially with their history. It would be so disappointing if they don’t do anything with that as it seemed like they were directly setting it up in a way, timing wise. Ororo should bust outta that below deck cabin like she shot out of that rock landslide BP #172 lmaoo[/QUOTE]
I would like that too. But ya'll know this IS a Doombot..lol watch.
LOL we know now why Storm is irritated, Pyro has been waking Storm up with Fire. No wonder she is mad. ALSO, how do we know that the ThunderStorm they are in is not a product of Storm's emotions. She probably mad dreaming in her sleep. HHAHA
[QUOTE=Ororo101;4818021]I’m also super excited for the next issue of FF/X because, although I’m aware of false hope, Pyro going to wake Ororo up just before Doom attacks... just screams potential Ororo/Doom conflict. Especially with their history. It would be so disappointing if they don’t do anything with that as it seemed like they were directly setting it up in a way, timing wise. Ororo should bust outta that below deck cabin like she shot out of that rock landslide BP #172 lmaoo[/QUOTE]
I really want storm to drop doom on his ass again. I can recount 3x where she has but I'm needing another. doomwar still needs to be addressed.
I need storm to make good on her promise:
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I just want Storm to come above and say [B]"I sense some bullshit on the high seas?!?"[/B] then look and say [B]"Oh Doom..."[/B]
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4818506]I just want Storm to come above and say [B]"I sense some bullshit on the high seas?!?"[/B] then look and say [B]"Oh Doom..."[/B][/QUOTE]
I would scream lol. but based on how bishop was talking in today's issue I wiuldnt be shocked. that moment where he punched ole boy was hilarious his response to kill no man lol.
It's a Doombot guys watch.
I would LOVE it to be the REAL DOOM, but most likely it's a Doombot.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4818564]It's a Doombot guys watch.
I would LOVE it to be the REAL DOOM, but most likely it's a Doombot.[/QUOTE]
when was last time storm encountered a doombot?
when she became roguestorm that was real doom.
when she encountered him when the people were polluting that was real doom
when she knocked him on his a$$ in black panther that was real doom.
why would this one be a doombot?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4818568]when was last time storm encountered a doombot?
when she became roguestorm that was real doom.
when she encountered him when the people were polluting that was real doom
when she knocked him on his a$$ in black panther that was real doom.
why would this one be a doombot?[/QUOTE]
LOL oh kyss you must not know Doom that well then.
The man is notorious for using Doombots. Just because Storm has encountered the Real Doom a couple times, doesn't mean THIS Doom could be the real one.
If it is the real Doom cool I hope we get a cool fight. But I wouldn't hold your breathe since they are in the middle of the Ocean. As arrogant as Doom is he most likely would have sent a Doombot to deal with it.
Storm being in the FF/X-men cross-over was kinda meh. She didn't do too much and was rather under-utilized IMO. As previously mentioned, the conflict/tension between the two teams felt forced. Storm definitely would have been better used if she acted as the voice of reason/negotiator between the two teams.
[QUOTE=nj06;4818764]Storm being in the FF/X-men cross-over was kinda meh. She didn't do too much and was rather under-utilized IMO. As previously mentioned, the conflict/tension between the two teams felt forced. Storm definitely would have been better used if she acted as the voice of reason/negotiator between the two teams.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I think Marvel just wanted random Drama. Because Sue Richards reaction was not her.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4818773]Exactly. I think Marvel just wanted random Drama. Because Sue Richards reaction was not her.[/QUOTE]
Agree. The X-Men came to the Richards home with their top hitters. That in and of itself was way over the top. Few parents would respond well to people wanting to take their son from them. Ben made an excellent point about Genosha. Why would the F4 trust that the X-Men would be able to take care of Franklin any better than they did the mutants who were killed on Genosha? But the most basic point is the X-Men's total lack of sensitivity on the subject of taking a young teen away from his family as if they have more right to him and his future than his own parents do because they are mutants and Reed and Sue are human. Smh.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4819010]Agree. The X-Men came to the Richards home with their top hitters. That in and of itself was way over the top. Few parents would respond well to people wanting to take their son from them. Ben made an excellent point about Genosha. Why would the F4 trust that the X-Men would be able to take care of Franklin any better than they did the mutants who were killed on Genosha? But the most basic point is the X-Men's total lack of sensitivity on the subject of taking a young teen away from his family as if they have more right to him and his future than his own parents do because they are mutants and Reed and Sue are human. Smh.[/QUOTE]
Sue kind of said that. They said "Birthright" and Sue replied "Motherfuker, I gave birth to him."
I was like she speaking the truth.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4819010]Agree. The X-Men came to the Richards home with their top hitters. That in and of itself was way over the top. Few parents would respond well to people wanting to take their son from them. Ben made an excellent point about Genosha. Why would the F4 trust that the X-Men would be able to take care of Franklin any better than they did the mutants who were killed on Genosha? But the most basic point is the X-Men's total lack of sensitivity on the subject of taking a young teen away from his family as if they have more right to him and his future than his own parents do because they are mutants and Reed and Sue are human. Smh.[/QUOTE]
Your right. And the fact of the matter is...They are BOTH Wrong.
Both sides handled this situation completely WRONG. I'll admit it was a GREAT read, and the small fight scenes were funny. Sue Richards basically soloed most of the X-Men LOL. Just like she did to the Avengers.
[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4819030]Your right. And the fact of the matter is...They are BOTH Wrong.
Both sides handled this situation completely WRONG. I'll admit it was a GREAT read, and the small fight scenes were funny. Sue Richards basically soloed most of the X-Men LOL. Just like she did to the Avengers.[/QUOTE]
I think it would have worked better if a group of Sentinels attack the FF as the X-Men where visiting. Thus proving Xavier/Magneto's point.
[QUOTE=LordAllMIghty;4819038]I think it would have worked better if a group of Sentinels attack the FF as the X-Men where visiting. Thus proving Xavier/Magneto's point.[/QUOTE]
I don't think so. Considering how Sue Richards was acting today??? Nah, her mind would not have changed no matter who attacked. She was a Mama Bear today in every from.
Def under utilized. I think Duggan needs to deliver on her next week. She's under utilized there too.
Issue would've been better if it had been The F4 visiting Krakoa and Franklin getting a journey. Add a few cute moments of Valeria and The Thing fitting into Krakoa, and have Kate and Storm give the tour. Storm has a heart to heart with Sue when she sees her struggling with Franklin growing up.