Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

i wish the first solo gave ororo . a specific task, original villains and a couple of specific supoort characthers, marisol was a great start but the series was too much references and not enough new stuff that all solo characthers need :/, i love it but it felt more like an antalogy series about ororo's history than on ongoing trying to increase her strenght as a solo characther.

but the x-office is terrible with allowing non wolvie characthers having consistent solos.
i think its an overarching issue, with ororo being the main and most anoyingly frustrating product of said issue.

[QUOTE=Ferro;4790638]off-topic, but i love that ororo's hydrokinesis has become a firm stapple of her abilities recently, im nuts with anything water/ice related in fiction, i hope we see more of it instead of casual lightning[/QUOTE]

agreed. the lightning is so played out. I'm wanting to see more diverse aspects of her powers including hydrokinesis.

[QUOTE=Cville;4790454]I interpret that as being used as an excuse not to develop Storm in the X-verse. If Coates said Avengers and Agents of Wakanda was an excuse not to build up the character in his own universe, I'd be upset.[/QUOTE]

Seriously. This seems to be the new normal for Storm in X books for nearly two decades. She's being used/ has big things coming up elsewhere so I guess that's justification for her crappy and reduced roles in the X line. I guess it helps the X creators and editors feel better if they have a totally lame excuse to fall back on for not developing the character. G's tweet sounds all too familiar. Second verse same as the first.
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[QUOTE=Saturius;4790837]Seriously. This seems to be the new normal for Storm in X books for nearly two decades. She's being used/ has big things coming up elsewhere so I guess that's justification for her crappy and reduced roles in the X line. I guess it helps the X creators and editors feel better if they have a totally lame excuse to fall back on for not developing the character. G's tweet sounds all too familiar. Second verse same as the first.
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Ugh! Why does great music like this not exist anymore!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4790744]he said he likes his storm:

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That is encouraging, but his third sentence is concerning.

[QUOTE=StormDisciple;4789474]Trust me I can relate and understand my patience is paper thin hoping for the best and it never happens. Even for that Children of The Atom if they brought back Kymera and explored her power set a bit more of gave us an insight into these powerful children her and TChalla are supposed to have but of course not more of the usual and always involving the Summers in some way in which im over them. It doesn’t even feel like the momentum will continue with Storm unless she is iconic in BP2 which is so far away. I’m dropping all those books I’m tired of the false promises I’ll pick up when she gets her solo there is just no more excuses anymore.[/QUOTE]

Good points. I always take a "wait-and-see" approach with the X-titles, especially when it comes to Storm. Writers, editors, etc. can say whatever they want about her, but until I see it committed to the comic panels I remain skeptical.

I also would like to see Kymera return and have more of her history/story explored. I want her and Storm to have a positive relationship with one another. I felt their previous dealings with each another were very lackluster/under-whelming. I also think Kymera had a cool look. It wasn't anything over-the-top but it still worked:

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The striped panther-avatar was pretty cool too.

i personally think exploring ororo's maternal heritage, its power and how it relates to mutant kind as a whole, kymera would be a neat supportive characther imo, marisol/gentle/oya could work as well

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791056]i personally think exploring ororo's maternal heritage, its power and how it relates to mutant kind as a whole, kymera would be a neat supportive characther imo, marisol/gentle/oya could work as well[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Exploring more of Ororo's maternal heritage while also using Kymera in the story would be very interesting. I say keep Kymera, Marisol, and Gentle throughout the story. I would even (re)introduce Mjnari from the 90s X-men cartoon (although with a slightly different back-story). Oya can kick rocks tho.

[QUOTE=nj06;4791049]Good points. I always take a "wait-and-see" approach with the X-titles, especially when it comes to Storm. Writers, editors, etc. can say whatever they want about her, but until I see it committed to the comic panels I remain skeptical.

I also would like to see Kymera return and have more of her history/story explored. I want her and Storm to have a positive relationship with one another. I felt their previous dealings with each another were very lackluster/under-whelming. I also think Kymera had a cool look. It wasn't anything over-the-top but it still worked:

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The striped panther-avatar was pretty cool too.[/QUOTE]

In my head Kymera is Marvel's version of DC's Vixen. I would love to see a story were her parents (T'Challa and Storm) have to find her.

[QUOTE=nj06;4791080]Agreed. Exploring more of Ororo's maternal heritage while also using Kymera in the story would be very interesting. I say keep Kymera, Marisol, and Gentle throughout the story. I would even (re)introduce Mjnari from the 90s X-men cartoon (although with a slightly different back-story). Oya can kick rocks tho.[/QUOTE]

What did Oya do? Lol

[QUOTE=Ferro;4790767]i wish the first solo gave ororo . a specific task, original villains and a couple of specific supoort characthers, marisol was a great start but the series was too much references and not enough new stuff that all solo characthers need :/, i love it but it felt more like an antalogy series about ororo's history than on ongoing trying to increase her strenght as a solo characther.

but the x-office is terrible with allowing non wolvie characthers having consistent solos.
i think its an overarching issue, with ororo being the main and most anoyingly frustrating product of said issue.[/QUOTE]

you described the series perfectly. it did read like a greatest hits book versus trying carve out a new path for the character on the mcu.

also your last point is so very true as well. I would love to see the xoffices give her a solo series much like captain marvel is getting one. but I'm over cyclops/jean/emma and other white characters being the drivers of the franchise. ororo, if she was real, would have a much greater presence in the world beyond being an assist fo kitty.

[QUOTE=Saturius;4790847]Ugh! Why does great music like this not exist anymore![/QUOTE]

it sure doesnt boo. it's a damn shame.

[QUOTE=Cville;4790889]That is encouraging, but his third sentence is concerning.[/QUOTE]

why is the third sentence concerning?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4791273]why is the third sentence concerning?[/QUOTE]

When he says characters have different velocities as different times, it says to me he feels that he doesn't need to develop Storm because she is being developed in BP.

[QUOTE=Cville;4791335]When he says characters have different velocities as different times, it says to me he feels that he doesn't need to develop Storm because she is being developed in BP.[/QUOTE]

honestly so as long as they reinforce what coates has done I'm not fairly interested in them developing her in the xbooks. what has she gotten so far? of all the things that has happened thus far greatest development is being an omega. beyond that it's been pretty much the same where she is there for the support of another character. whether it was supporting cyclops during schism, supporting Logan when he was running the school, or supporting kitty in gold and now kate in mauraders her development in the new era of xbooks have primarily hinged around other characters development and it doesnt appear to be changing anytime soon.

[QUOTE=nj06;4791049]Good points. I always take a "wait-and-see" approach with the X-titles, especially when it comes to Storm. Writers, editors, etc. can say whatever they want about her, but until I see it committed to the comic panels I remain skeptical.

I also would like to see Kymera return and have more of her history/story explored. I want her and Storm to have a positive relationship with one another. I felt their previous dealings with each another were very lackluster/under-whelming. I also think Kymera had a cool look. It wasn't anything over-the-top but it still worked:

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The striped panther-avatar was pretty cool too.[/QUOTE]

the thing with kymera was both odd/interesting and expected. it seemed someone thought she was a concept interesting enough to create to further develop tchalla and Ororo's connection, which in itself was odd seeing this was a concept derived from the xoffices; however, the expected part was that the concept was eventually forgotten as kymera disappeared into nonexistence. you then had the later and tragic reveal about major x. instead of further developing kymera they again try to bring everything back to the Summers clan. I'm glad that major x was not from 616 storm and would find it nice if kymera were to reappear at some point.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4790744]he said he likes his storm:

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[COLOR="#000080"]The problem I have with this is that it didn't stop them from using Wolverine from being in multiple books(even multiple solo books at the same time). I don't see how Storm being used in BP is somehow hindering her from having more development in the X-books.

But I guess that's the reasoning behind her lack of further development in X-world.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#000080"]I wonder what they have planned for Storm that they have to wait until Coates is done(another 2 years).

Can't the PTB just do their Storm story?[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791398][COLOR="#000080"]The problem I have with this is that it didn't stop them from using Wolverine from being in multiple books(even multiple solo books at the same time). I don't see how Storm being used in BP is somehow hindering her from having more development in the X-books.

But I guess that's the reasoning behind her lack of further development in X-world.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I 100% agree. First I know writers and creative teams dont have to address fans' concerns; however, when they do respond I tend to expect these responses. they arent going to say they dont write certain characters because they are not their fave or they are editorially mandated to include them but dont really care to develop them. that's when we get "big things are in store for fill in the blank character." I remember challenging Guggenheim in person about storms godhood. he said he didnt think she was a god and then I asked had he read BP. his response was that he had not. now I know there was zero chance he was wasnt aware of what was happening in coates book; however, he said to me what he did to get out of a potential contested exchange. that is what I see these response as - a way to placate fans without having to reveal their truth which is they simply dont care to develop them.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4791438]I 100% agree. First I know writers and creative teams dont have to address fans' concerns; however, when they do respond I tend to expect these responses. they arent going to say they dont write certain characters because they are not their fave or they are editorially mandated to include them but dont really care to develop them. that's when we get "big things are in store for fill in the blank character." I remember challenging Guggenheim in person about storms godhood. he said he didnt think she was a god and then I asked had he read BP. his response was that he had not. now I know there was zero chance he was wasnt aware of what was happening in coates book; however, he said to me what he did to get out of a potential contested exchange. that is what I see these response as - a way to placate fans without having to reveal their truth which is they simply dont care to develop them.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Honestly, I know writers really don't owe fans anything but treating the characters with respect.

With that said, if they aren't going to be honest about their motives, then either don't engage or just don't answer the question. These creators aren't deaf and they hear the chatter from fans.

I don't expect them to always respond and I don't expect them to placate fans but just engage honestly, even if it's just to tell someone to bug off.

They know that they will be asked questions about what plans they have for titles/characters so be prepared to answer or don't respond.[/COLOR]

Ororo needs to, in my personal opinion: be more present in x-men, since i did enjoy her a lot in issue one, a great balance of her fierce nature and more caring side, "i will never get tired of uplifting our people" is a wonderfull line, hickman's storm was much better than i expected, and overall, more as a presence in the council and krakoan issues.

Second: into a main leader role of an x-book, preference x-corp since its previous incarnation was global + its spiritual sucessor, mutants sans frontiers, was funded by wakanda when she was queen, she is the perfect face for such a book, but im doubtfull of it since the track record isnt in our favor.

Third and best option: have her solo, a proper one with the full intentions to be as sucessfull and impactfull as possible, talented artist with a knack for design that can give us a new costume, new villains, a whole concept around ororo

last thoughts, last mauraders issue was good in terms of ororo, but the 80's teen crush effect kate puts on every book she shows up recently makes me dread when both fight in the same page,. Overall, its absolutly not living up to what a characther of ororo's status deserves and needs, but after these last years im at least not barfing each time she shows up, plus coates work on her is now being recognized wich makes me happy.

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791485]Ororo needs to, in my personal opinion: be more present in x-men, since i did enjoy her a lot in issue one, a great balance of her fierce nature and more caring side, "i will never get tired of uplifting our people" is a wonderfull line, hickman's storm was much better than i expected, and overall as a presence in the council and krakoan issues.

Second: into a main leader role of an x-book, preference x-corp since its previous incarnation was global + its spiritual sucessor, mutants sans frontiers, was funded by wakanda when she was queen, she is the perfect face for such a book, but im doubtfull of it since the track record isnt in our favor.

Third and best option: have her solo, a proper one with the full intentions to be as sucessfull and impactfull as possible, talented artist with a knack for design that can give us a new costume, new villains, a whole concept around ororo

last thoughts, last mauraders issue was good in terms of ororo, but the 80's teen crush effect kate puts on every book she shows up recently makes me dread when both fight in the same page,. Overall, its absolutly not living up to what a characther of ororo's status deserves and needs, but after these last years im at least not barfing each time she shows up, plus coates work on her is now being recognized wich makes me happy.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]I think like most of us that Storm should have her own team and book. They aren't going to have her overshadow Kitty/Kate in Marauders. She's on the Quiet Council but they seem to have her playing hostess.

At some point, I'd like to see her put her foot down and be boss about things she'd like to see done with mutantkind and at some point, establishing ties with sympathetic humans who want to work and live with mutants. And not just on Krakoa.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791480][COLOR="#000080"]Honestly, I know writers really don't owe fans anything but treating the characters with respect.

With that said, if they aren't going to be honest about their motives, then either don't engage or just don't answer the question. These creators aren't deaf and they hear the chatter from fans.

I don't expect them to always respond and I don't expect them to placate fans but just engage honestly, even if it's just to tell someone to bug off.

They know that they will be asked questions about what plans they have for titles/characters so be prepared to answer or don't respond.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

yup agreed to all of this. I will say from his response i don't see ororos influence with any of the xstories growing in the near future. that's why imma cling to Coates until given a reason to also invest in xstories.

if the oportunity shows itself of humans wanting to work with mutants on equal terms and the council refuses, sure, but i really dont think a woman who has lived so much and endured so much would be the one to foolishly belive in the very rare, once in a blue moon kindness of the humans.
one angle could be african communities that relied on their mutants before wanna sephora maximofies came and ruined it all, her compassion could create beautifull stories in that sort of setting

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791434][COLOR="#000080"]I wonder what they have planned for Storm that they have to wait until Coates is done(another 2 years).

Can't the PTB just do their Storm story?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

they have nothing planned unless they planning to undo everything coates has done lol.

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791498]if the oportunity shows itself of humans wanting to work with mutants on equal terms and the council refuses, sure, but i really dont think a woman who has lived so much and endured so much would be the one to foolishly belive in the very rare, once in a blue moon kindness of the humans.
one angle could be african communities that relied on their mutants before wanna sephora maximofies came and ruined it all, her compassion could create beautifull stories in that sort of setting[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]She married and is currently dating a human. She's worshipped as a goddess by humans. She's made great friends with humans.

It's not foolish to believe that there are good humans just as it's foolish to believe all mutants are good.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791485]Ororo needs to, in my personal opinion: be more present in x-men, since i did enjoy her a lot in issue one, a great balance of her fierce nature and more caring side, "i will never get tired of uplifting our people" is a wonderfull line, hickman's storm was much better than i expected, and overall, more as a presence in the council and krakoan issues.

Second: into a main leader role of an x-book, preference x-corp since its previous incarnation was global + its spiritual sucessor, mutants sans frontiers, was funded by wakanda when she was queen, she is the perfect face for such a book, but im doubtfull of it since the track record isnt in our favor.

Third and best option: have her solo, a proper one with the full intentions to be as sucessfull and impactfull as possible, talented artist with a knack for design that can give us a new costume, new villains, a whole concept around ororo

last thoughts, last mauraders issue was good in terms of ororo, but the 80's teen crush effect kate puts on every book she shows up recently makes me dread when both fight in the same page,. Overall, its absolutly not living up to what a characther of ororo's status deserves and needs, but after these last years im at least not barfing each time she shows up, plus coates work on her is now being recognized wich makes me happy.[/QUOTE]

you make a lot of great points. when we look at the character historically and her inclusion (claremont days) her being more present would make the most sense. her connections as well as powerset would allow for her to play a greater role than she is currently but as you said I'm happy they are recognizing coates work. it is very encouraging.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4791495]yup agreed to all of this. I will say from his response i don't see ororos influence with any of the xstories growing in the near future. that's why imma cling to Coates until given a reason to also invest in xstories.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]That's the feeling I get. I'd love to be proven wrong though.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791506][COLOR="#000080"]That's the feeling I get. I'd love to be proven wrong though.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

are you actually liking her in mauraders ? I'm not sure you're reading it or not.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4791499]they have nothing planned unless they planning to undo everything coates has done lol.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]I've already said I don't think they will touch it. That would mean elevating her above a few other X-characters.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791503][COLOR="#000080"]She married and is currently dating a human. She's worshipped as a goddess by humans. She's made great friends with humans.

It's not foolish to believe that there are good humans just as it's foolish to believe all mutants are good.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

That's fine as an individual, but i dont expect ororo forcing her personal experiences into the larger krakoan society who probably have no reasons to belive the same , and that was what you were sugesting. she is way too wise and experienced for that.
if she managed the politics and pushes create an equal field of interaction and the friendship betwen mutants and humans, wonderful, awesome, she has years of experience at those sort of ordeals.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791492][COLOR="#000080"]I think like most of us that Storm should have her own team and book. They aren't going to have her overshadow Kitty/Kate in Marauders. She's on the Quiet Council but they seem to have her playing hostess.

At some point, I'd like to see her put her foot down and be boss about things she'd like to see done with mutantkind and at some point, establishing ties with sympathetic humans who want to work and live with mutants. And not just on Krakoa.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

yes to all of this. she is taking being a quiet council member way too literally. it's nice to see her have these roles but I'm bot seeing any substantive execution of her having this title. in fact she seems more like a general like bishop versus actually being a quiet concil member.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791508][COLOR="#000080"]I've already said I don't think they will touch it. That would mean elevating her above a few other X-characters.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

if they touched it that would put her above apocalypse for instance and as you said I dont see that ever happening. that said, this things of humans worshipping mutants and magneto referring to themselves as gods seem quite interesting to me. like I wonder is he trying to slowly work the idea of mutant fmdivinity into the xlore.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4791507]are you actually liking her in mauraders ? I'm not sure you're reading it or not.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Yeah, I'm reading it(it has both her and Bishop so that's a winner for me). I think she's been pretty good so far and they've avoided a lot of clichés with her.

I'm good with it.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791519][COLOR="#000080"]Yeah, I'm reading it(it has both her and Bishop so that's a winner for me). I think she's been pretty good so far and they've avoided a lot of clichés with her.

I'm good with it.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

oh thsts good to hear. you I am assuming liking bishop too ?

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4791520]oh thsts good to hear. you I am assuming liking bishop too ?[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Yup, he's one of my favorite characters, not just X-Men.

They finally washed away the stain of Messiah Complex and he's a viable character again.[/COLOR]

im still feeling betrayed over vita teasing us with an ororo figure smh

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791509]That's fine as an individual, but i dont expect ororo forcing her personal experiences into the larger krakoan society who probably have no reasons to belive the same , and that was what you were sugesting. she is way too wise and experienced for that.
if she managed the politics and pushes create an equal field of interaction and the friendship betwen mutants and humans, wonderful, awesome, she has years of experience at those sort of ordeals.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]It's not forcing anything on anyone if there are other mutants and humans feel they way she does. And none of this has to happen on Krakoa.

Besides, Storm is a true leader and leaders can inspire.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791534][COLOR="#000080"]It's not forcing anything on anyone if there are other mutants and humans feel they way she does. And none of this has to happen on Krakoa.

Besides, Storm is a true leader and leaders can inspire.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Hence setting the stage, but storm is not a fool to think all mutants will be as well recieved as her, leaders inspire yes but not at the cost of its followers, imo. Storm is the exception, not the rule in terms of mutantxhuman interactions, and it would be terrible writting if she forgot that whe pushing for higher level of interactions betwen mutants and humans.
Even coates recently reinforced that aspect of her self awareness of issues around her when discussing with tchalla the corruption of space wakanda

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791550]Hence setting the stage, but storm is not a fool to think all mutants will be as well recieved as her, leaders inspire yes but not at the cost of its followers, imo. Storm is the exception, not the rule in terms of mutantxhuman interactions, and it would be terrible writting if she forgot that whe pushing for higher level of interactions betwen mutants and humans.
Even coates recently reinforced that aspect of her self awareness of issues around her when discussing with tchalla the corruption of space wakanda[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]Again, the assumption is that all humans hate mutants when that is not a proven fact. There are other mutants that have good relations with humans so Storm is not an oddity.

Storm needs to differentiate herself from other [I][U]mutant leaders[/U][/I], not just mutants. She needs a voice that's different from the regular propaganda on Krakoa and this should be her agenda.

If not, they'll give it to someone else and she will become just another background character waiting to be jobbed to the next big threat.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791529]im still feeling betrayed over vita teasing us with an ororo figure smh[/QUOTE]

I saw those announcements to. And when I saw her name I was like "whats this have to do with Storm". Lol

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791534][COLOR="#000080"]It's not forcing anything on anyone if there are other mutants and humans feel they way she does. And none of this has to happen on Krakoa.

Besides, Storm is a true leader and leaders can inspire.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I think a satellite location in Kenya for her would be nice. A few of those WK bird like planes circling overhead. That economic protectorate has to be good for something.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791526][COLOR="#000080"]Yup, he's one of my favorite characters, not just X-Men.

They finally washed away the stain of Messiah Complex and he's a viable character again.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

oh messiah complex was awful to him but you're absolutely right. I actually kind of forgot mc happened so I think hes good now lol.

[QUOTE=Ferro;4791529]im still feeling betrayed over vita teasing us with an ororo figure smh[/QUOTE]


yea that was pretty messed up. silly storm fans for thinking the xoffices would do something like give her a solo.

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4791492][COLOR="#000080"]I think like most of us that Storm should have her own team and book. They aren't going to have her overshadow Kitty/Kate in Marauders. She's on the Quiet Council but they seem to have her playing hostess.

At some point, I'd like to see her put her foot down and be boss about things she'd like to see done with mutantkind and at some point, establishing ties with sympathetic humans who want to work and live with mutants. And not just on Krakoa.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

With all the resurrected Mutants and new ones. It would be a great move isto make her lead her own team of XMen relatively new faces or old forgotten ones.

That way we get to see Storm and new character get development like and new angle . like second genesis lead by Storm