Ororo Munroe: Storm Appreciation 2020

[QUOTE=stormphoenix;4802240]1. If Coates is THAT good of a writer as you think he is then yes. He should be able to use a good concept that was added to Storm’s my this. That’s what any good writer would do. Use concepts that have potential.

2. You don’t know enough about Thor or even the Gods of Asgard that much for you to even claim that. Your wrong because there are many many more examples and issues of Thor showing that Prayer is not the source of Asgardian Godhood. Your scan does not outway the many other ones. I’d suggest you actually talk to a fan of Thor because reading your arguments with the other user and that other Storm fan off panel I don’t quite think you fully understand Asgardian Gods or Thor himself and their methos.[/QUOTE]

1. Coates does not need to validate his writing by incorporating irrelevant characters from irrelevant books. nothing guggenheim wrote as it relates to storm carried over into dox - absolutely nothing. he said she was not a real god and yet that isnt true because BP and fearless books stated the complete opposite. he had storm and gambit kissing yet rogue and gambit ended up married. he gave her hammertime after ignoring his own story and where is the mention of that? coates is paving the way for the character and is doing just fine without using characters created solely to distract from the story he wants to tell.

2. I dont have to know a thing about thor to cite stories that clearly support the point I made which is that marvel gods require faith to power them. there are too many scans that state that. so again instead of telling me, please provide one scan that says the source of asgardian power is not through faith. I just showed one that clearly states that and since you have such an extensive knowledge of the character I'm sure thst wont be hard to do. I will wait.

while I wait heres another scan (from the new thor book might I add) that says marvel gods need faith to power them:
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO_k0KqUEAAOsE2?format=jpg&name=large[/img]

[QUOTE=yogaflame;4801903]There hasn't been much direct on panel story to reinforce the connection, but yes, in theory, the goddess Ororo refers to in 'by the goddess!'/'Bright Lady' is Ma'at/Oshtur, one of the Elder gods of earth.[/QUOTE]

I see people say this but I've havent seen actual 616 proof of this

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4802304]I see people say this but I've havent seen actual 616 proof of this[/QUOTE]

I believe it's only been confirmed in supplemental material like OHOTMU or some other such sources. But the Mystic Arcana series with Ashake was as good a confirmation as any I would think.

[COLOR="#000080"]Prayers are not the source of Thor's powers. Can he get more power through prayer? Yes, but Asgardians stopped relying on the power of prayer long, long ago as that was not a significant source of source of power for them.

Also, Thor gets other powers from his connection to the Earth through his mother Gaea though they rarely play this up.[/COLOR]

What makes Asgardians gods anyway? They just seem like a powerful race of aliens that over time became known as gods imo. Or are all asgardians suppose to be considered gods and Thor and co are like the gods among gods. Never made much sense to me. Anyone more powerful than a base human could come to earth, especially in it's primitive ages and claim to be a god. Is there like proof? Divine blood? Something other than word of mouth and self proclamations.

I would argue there is more on panel proof Storm is a goddess over Asgardians being gods.

[QUOTE=jwatson;4802559]What makes Asgardians gods anyway? They just seem like a powerful race of aliens that over time became known as gods imo. Or are all asgardians suppose to be considered gods and Thor and co are like the gods among gods. Never made much sense to me. Anyone more powerful than a base human could come to earth, especially in it's primitive ages and claim to be a god. Is there like proof? Divine blood? Something other than word of mouth and self proclamations.

[B]I would argue there is more on panel proof Storm is a goddess over Asgardians being gods.[/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]I would have to disagree on that one. Thor has 700+ issues of a solo comic that can be referenced to to point to any attributes of godhood. This is not taking any thing away from Storm, it's just simple fact.

Also, godhood in the Marvel U has been loosely defined over their history so there is no clear-cut definition one right way to be a god in the MU. Being worshipped isn't the onlything that makes you a god in the MU.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4802581][COLOR="#000080"]I would have to disagree on that one. Thor has 700+ issues of a solo comic that can be referenced to to point to any attributes of godhood. This is not taking any thing away from Storm, it's just simple fact.

Also, godhood in the Marvel U has been loosely defined over their history so there is no clear-cut definition one right way to be a god in the MU. Being worshipped isn't the onlything that makes you a god in the MU.
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True. But either way there is no definitive proof Asgardians are more god than alien. Especially in terms of Earth. The olympians have more status as gods than Asgardians.

[QUOTE=jwatson;4802630]True. But either way there is no definitive proof Asgardians are more god than alien. Especially in terms of Earth. The olympians have more status as gods than Asgardians.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]That's the thing, being worshipped doesn't require you to be more god-like than anyone else. It doesn't even require you to be human or humanoid.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4802641][COLOR="#000080"]That's the thing, being worshipped doesn't require you to be more god-like than anyone else. It doesn't even require you to be human or humanoid.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Yeah but in terms of Earth Asgardians are still Asgardians. They may call themselves "gods" but they are nothing more than an alien species claiming to be gods from the point of view of an an earther i would say. I'm not so much talking about the aspect of worship but rather actual humans who have transcended or those that fit into the mythos of earth itself. Such as those who formed it or were formed from it. Asgardians for all intents and purposes despite whatever they are called are still aliens first. Despite what they wish to be called. Though i guess technically Thor would be half god since his mother is Gaea but Asgardians themselves, odin included are not gods.

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4802304]I see people say this but I've havent seen actual 616 proof of this[/QUOTE]

The narrative threads connecting them are exceedingly thin, but there is proof. You can focus on Ashake, her Egyptian ancestor, especially as depicted in the Mystic Arcana Magik series where she straight up is shown to worship/follow/work with Ma'at/Osthur.

As for godhood in the MU, it mostly seems to revolve around the Demiurge and relationship to these Elder Gods.

[IMG]https://mightyavengers.net/sites/default/files/images/characters/chthon/chthon01.jpg[/IMG]

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The idea that Asgardians are really just strong aliens is more of a MCU thing than a 616 thing.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;4802679]As for godhood in the MU, it mostly seems to revolve around the Demiurge and relationship to these Elder Gods.

[IMG]https://mightyavengers.net/sites/default/files/images/characters/chthon/chthon01.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a027f4defd5d55dfc0b4ce99c5d4c745.webp[/IMG]

The idea that Asgardians are really just strong aliens is more of a MCU thing than a 616 thing.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I thought most of the Asgardian gods (as well as many other Earth Pantheons) were descendants of the Elder-Goddess Gaia. Interestingly enough, Gaia is the sister to Oshtur in the MU :cool:.

[QUOTE=yogaflame;4802677]The narrative threads connecting them are exceedingly thin, but there is proof. You can focus on Ashake, her Egyptian ancestor, especially as depicted in the Mystic Arcana Magik series where she straight up is shown to worship/follow/work with Ma'at/Osthur.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Saturius;4802414]I believe it's only been confirmed in supplemental material like OHOTMU or some other such sources. But the Mystic Arcana series with Ashake was as good a confirmation as any I would think.[/QUOTE]

yes thank you both I forgot about this connection.


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Found this on Facebook. It's truly divine. :o

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Found this on Facebook. It's truly divine. :o[/QUOTE]

People still love Ororo's wedding dress. :)

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Found this on Facebook. It's truly divine. :o[/QUOTE]

by the bright lady freaking hadari yao! this is gorgeous!

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4802581][COLOR="#000080"]I would have to disagree on that one. Thor has 700+ issues of a solo comic that can be referenced to to point to any attributes of godhood. This is not taking any thing away from Storm, it's just simple fact.

Also, godhood in the Marvel U has been loosely defined over their history so there is no clear-cut definition one right way to be a god in the MU. Being worshipped isn't the onlything that makes you a god in the MU.
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I think its understood though that gods of marvel (by default) do have worshippers and thus their power is always endowed to them. but to your point yes worship is not the only thing that makes you a god, as any man could be worshiped as one, but having the blood of divine within you allows that power to active. in the case of thor there are multiple stories that indicate he requires faith/prayer. even he was resurrected through the power of prayer. this faith or prayer is what affords ororo her ascension of godhead and from the scans from the newest issue of the this seems to be a commonality between all marvel gods.

Dedicated a video to our goddess. Some cool and funny moments.



[video=youtube;_jHocBxYzGY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jHocBxYzGY[/video]

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Found this on Facebook. It's truly divine. :o[/QUOTE]

That is amazing!!!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4803734]I think its understood though that gods of marvel (by default) do have worshippers and thus their power is always endowed to them. but to your point yes worship is not the only thing that makes you a god, as any man could be worshiped as one, but having the blood of divine within you allows that power to active. in the case of thor there are multiple stories that indicate he requires faith/prayer. even he was resurrected through the power of prayer. this faith or prayer is what affords ororo her ascension of godhead and from the scans from the newest issue of the this seems to be a commonality between all marvel gods.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#000080"]But again, prayers are not the source of his powers. He can gain power through prayers but he's still powerful without them.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Marvell2100;4803953][COLOR="#000080"]But again, prayers are not the source of his powers. He can gain power through prayers but he's still powerful without them.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I get you. his god abilities is innate just as Ororo's. faith is simply a mode that amplifies this power. I'm aligned with you now.

[QUOTE=NerdyDJ;4803925]Dedicated a video to our goddess. Some cool and funny moments.



[video=youtube;_jHocBxYzGY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jHocBxYzGY[/video][/QUOTE]

oooh I cant wait to get off to watch!!! thank you for sharing!

[QUOTE=NerdyDJ;4803925]Dedicated a video to our goddess. Some cool and funny moments.



[video=youtube;_jHocBxYzGY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jHocBxYzGY[/video][/QUOTE]


This was good. I liked him showing Ororo being unfazed by Cap wanting her to join the Avengers and Luke Cage crushing on her and T'Challa offering her as an Avenger to Cap as a sneaky way of keeping her with him in New York while he was running around playing hero in Hell's Kitchen.

[QUOTE=NerdyDJ;4803925]Dedicated a video to our goddess. Some cool and funny moments.



[video=youtube;_jHocBxYzGY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jHocBxYzGY[/video][/QUOTE]

Very Nice! You and I like some of the same moments (especially WAP, checking the senator and his goon, the superheating of the forest & scrambling Sinister’s brain). Great narration and and I laughed at some of the points I didn’t even catch, like her being unfazed at joining the premiere super team in the planet lol.

@thread - Read BP and loved it. Shuri has become such a compelling character for me. I enjoyed her exchange with BP and Symbiote Killmonger’s team recognizing the threat Storm represented. Not a bad line up for a regular team book With decent villains if they wanted to re-do BP/Crew style book.

Did not buy the Kitty solo aka The Marauders, but a friend sent me a couple of scans of Storm in the issue. Look like hse had a cool moment if lifting Donald Pierce in the air and then flying kicking him off the boat lol.

Come on February I need my Storm fix.

[QUOTE=NerdyDJ;4803925]Dedicated a video to our goddess. Some cool and funny moments.



[video=youtube;_jHocBxYzGY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jHocBxYzGY[/video][/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting. Enjoyed.

From Terry Dodson's instagram, for X-Men/Fantastic Four:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPaFHtlXkAA9KTs?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

I hope she has a decent role in the book due to her connection to the FF.


Also, I think the current costume is a modern classic. I just love everything about it.

[QUOTE=Crimz;4805525]From Terry Dodson's instagram, for X-Men/Fantastic Four:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPaFHtlXkAA9KTs?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

I hope she has a decent role in the book due to her connection to the FF.


Also, I think the current costume is a modern classic. I just love everything about it.[/QUOTE]

This is gorgeous. Assuming this is a variant cover?

[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4805611]This is gorgeous. Assuming this is a variant cover?[/QUOTE]

Could be that or interiors as the Dodson's are doing both.

Been a bit for a storm sketch. [ATTACH=CONFIG]92260[/ATTACH]

I wish they'd stop drawing her eyes blank.

[QUOTE=Crimz;4805525]From Terry Dodson's instagram, for X-Men/Fantastic Four:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPaFHtlXkAA9KTs?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

I hope she has a decent role in the book due to her connection to the FF.


Also, I think the current costume is a modern classic. I just love everything about it.[/QUOTE]

I'm not big on Dodson, but I like this.

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4804127]This was good. I liked him showing Ororo being unfazed by Cap wanting her to join the Avengers and Luke Cage crushing on her and T'Challa offering her as an Avenger to Cap as a sneaky way of keeping her with him in New York while he was running around playing hero in Hell's Kitchen.[/QUOTE]

Thank you!!!



[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4804781]Very Nice! You and I like some of the same moments (especially WAP, checking the senator and his goon, the superheating of the forest & scrambling Sinister’s brain). Great narration and and I laughed at some of the points I didn’t even catch, like her being unfazed at joining the premiere super team in the planet lol.[/QUOTE]

I had to add that one, I remember when it first came out and I died lol.


[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4805515]Thanks for posting. Enjoyed.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, I'm Glad you enjoyed it!!!

[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4805513]Come on February I need my Storm fix.[/QUOTE]

Same here!!!

[QUOTE=CookieOnTsunami;4805663]I wish they'd stop drawing her eyes blank.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it bugs me too. No problem with them using the blank eyes when she’s working, but Ororo has beautiful, sky coloured eyes, I’d like to see them more often.

storm was cute in xmen today. lightning lass yes but still cute.

[QUOTE=Crimz;4805525]From Terry Dodson's instagram, for X-Men/Fantastic Four:

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPaFHtlXkAA9KTs?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

I hope she has a decent role in the book due to her connection to the FF.


Also, I think the current costume is a modern classic. I just love everything about it.[/QUOTE]

I hope she has a nice role too but doubtful.

[QUOTE=jwatson;4805647]Been a bit for a storm sketch. [ATTACH=CONFIG]92260[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]

thanks boo for sharing!!

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4806426]storm was cute in xmen today. lightning lass yes but still cute.[/QUOTE]


Give up the goods, BK. :)

[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4806438]Give up the goods, BK. :)[/QUOTE]

lololol. I'm trying to wait a bit until more people have had a chance to read it lol. ima give them til noon lol

[QUOTE=jwatson;4805647]Been a bit for a storm sketch. [ATTACH=CONFIG]92260[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]

Beautiful hun.

[spoil] storm was supporting cyclops with armor to act as a distraction to get three of the younger mutants into the children of the vault realm. storm created a lightning storm that covered a vast area to help with the distraction. they accomplished their mission getting the kids in the vault [/spoil]

[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4806520][spoil] storm was supporting cyclops with armor to act as a distraction to get three of the younger mutants into the children of the vault realm. storm created a lightning storm that covered a vast area to help with the distraction. they accomplished their mission getting the kids in the vault [/spoil][/QUOTE]

[spoil] i think she also allowed herself to get hit so the defense mechanism would belive they won[/spoil]