[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4871645]I take it you dont like hadari yao either?
I guess there is no storm news today.[/QUOTE]
Not in Mauraders. I haven't checked anything else.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4871645]I take it you dont like hadari yao either?
I guess there is no storm news today.[/QUOTE]
Not in Mauraders. I haven't checked anything else.
[QUOTE=Cville;4871702]Not in Mauraders. I haven't checked anything else.[/QUOTE]
yea I didnt see her there but cant say I'm surprised. such an entertaining book.
So I'm going through my twitter and saw an interesting proposal. Some there dont believe Ororo is being used to her best potential in Marauders and think she should be released from the title. Do you agree and if so what current book would you like her to be a team member?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872034]So I'm going through my twitter and saw an interesting proposal. Some there dont believe Ororo is being used to her best potential in Marauders and think she should be released from the title. Do you agree and if so what current book would you like her to be a team member?[/QUOTE]
Certainly she is not being used to full potential in Marauders, but I am willing to sit tight until her one shot in June before I state she should move. I am excited Hickman has a plan for her and I am willing to wait to see what that is.
Yeah, Marauders is like trashy reality tv(but still more entertaining than Coates horribly edited and narrated documentary that comes on at 3am on the History Channel), and Duggan is not up to the task of writing interesting, nuanced characters dealing intelligently with international relations and corporate sabotage. That said, Excalibur is even worse. I'd love to see Ororo in X-Force, but that roster is already so stacked there's not really room for her there. X-Men has been the most interesting of them all, but Hickman just seems to be throwing interesting world building ideas at the wall there, so that's not really her place either. Looks like we'll need a new book for her. Hopefully that Giant Size issue in June will give her a better direction.
[QUOTE=chief12d;4871638]Nezhno and all other mutants not created by Black Panther writers should be removed from the mythos. He’s a trash character who fits in better with the X-Men rather than being some aide to T’Challa.[/QUOTE]
Jesus H Christ.
I have always wanted to know more about Wakanda Mutants. But Wakanda Mutants are accepted , loved and keep top secret from the world for their safety.
Nezhno is character I love. Aside from just being a mutant he has an inbult story as a Wakandian. He reminds me of The White Wolfe or Erick Killomonger even The Queen Mother . Them being outsiders gives the whole reality depth.
[QUOTE=GuiltyPleasure;4871287]I could get behind all of this. I liked Nezhno under Hudlin. I even thought there was potential for a Nezhno/Shuri pairing.[/QUOTE]
I too wanted to see him paired with Shuri. Even more so now that she's been de-aged.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4872175]Jesus H Christ.
I have always wanted to know more about Wakanda Mutants. But Wakanda Mutants are accepted , loved and keep top secret from the world for their safety.
Nezhno is character I love. Aside from just being a mutant he has an inbult story as a Wakandian. He reminds me of The White Wolfe or Erick Killomonger even The Queen Mother . Them being outsiders gives the whole reality depth.[/QUOTE]
But he's not an outsider. It just a bad idea from the creator.
Beside no Storm Muaraders was a really good issue
He's a half breed raised within the inner court.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4872211]He's a halfs breed raised within the inner court.[/QUOTE]
Half-breed? She didn't have sex with a demon. The pic Gentle has shows she was in a relationship I Wakanda, so there must not have been a problem during the relationship otherwise she wouldn't have had a child by him and given him a German name.
It would have been better if it turned out he had a German family then abandoned her after he was born. The her resentful nature would make sense.
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4872117]Certainly she is not being used to full potential in Marauders, but I am willing to sit tight until her one shot in June before I state she should move. I am excited Hickman has a plan for her and I am willing to wait to see what that is.[/QUOTE]
me too. I hear the issue in june will be the start of a new storyline for her do we have any confirmation Hickman said that?
Due to Wakanda xenophobia.Nezhno is considered an outsider amongst his own people. Nezhno himself made that clear. He himself is not the first an only Wakandian that has this similar issue.
Two. Since being created neither X-Men or Black Panther title have ever given him true and in-depth back story. To further explain his unique situation.
His mother has been shown to be alive and well and still hold deep shame for herself and him.
His father is presumably dead but (you know the xbooks).
And Storm herself had to keep Mister Fantastic from phishing into Wakandian Mutant and Empowered during civil war. T'Challa himself also stated that it was due to Nezhno unique social and health situation and also Ororo's behalf he sent him over to the X-Men.
Despite Wakanda Standar Mutant protocol. Prior to that time he has been raise under T'Challa guardianship and within the inner court of Wakanda.
(And there are time Where I wonder if he is a Secret Agent of T'Challa)
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4872274]Due to Wakanda xenophobia.Nezhno is considered an outsider amongst his own people. Nezhno himself made that clear. He himself is not the first an only Wakandian that has this similar issue.
Two. Since being created neither X-Men or Black Panther title have ever given him true and in-depth back story. To further explain his unique situation.
His mother has been shown to be alive and well and still hold deep shame for herself and him.
His father is presumably dead but (you know the xbooks).
And Storm herself had to keep Mister Fantastic from phishing into Wakandian Mutant and Empowered during civil war. T'Challa himself also stated that it was due to Nezhno unique social and health situation and also Ororo's behalf he sent him over to the X-Men.
Despite Wakanda Standar Mutant protocol. Prior to that time he has need raise under T'Challa guardianship and within in the in court of Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
I know the background. I'm saying it's stupid. And further evidence that X writes should be nowhere near the black panther franchise.
They needed him to be ostracized so he'd be relatable to the other x kids they stuck him with.
[QUOTE=Cville;4872283]I know the background. I'm saying it's stupid. And further evidence that X writes should be nowhere near the black panther franchise.[/QUOTE]
that's one example. coates (he wants to be an xwriter) didnt write wakanda as xenophobic, nor did the marvel book where forge and shuri raced against each other indicate they were xenophobic.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4872207]Beside no Storm Muaraders was a really good issue[/QUOTE]
It actually was pretty good. It wasn't Great, but still Good.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872289]that's one example. coates (he wants to be an xwriter) didnt write wakanda as xenophobic, nor did the marvel book where forge and shuri raced against each other indicate they were xenophobic.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind them being xenophobic, its Gentles' background story I take issue with in this case.
[QUOTE=Cville;4872322]I don't mind them being xenophobic, its Gentles' background story I take issue with in this case.[/QUOTE]
but it's the part of them being xenophobic that make his backstory bad. how do you separate that?
at any rate what I love about the current BP run is we see tchalla making allies worh mutants and non-mutants. I dont see wakanda being a nation that wouldnt accept help during a crisis simply because you are non wakandan.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872372]but it's the part of them being xenophobic that make his backstory bad. how do you separate that?
at any rate what I love about the current BP run is we see tchalla making allies worh mutants and non-mutants. I dont see wakanda being a nation that wouldnt accept help during a crisis simply because you are non wakandan.[/QUOTE]
The problem is they have no reason to be xenophobic towards him.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4871710]yea I didnt see her there but cant say I'm surprised. such an entertaining book.[/QUOTE]
Ah thanks. I wanted to confirm early so it saves me a trip to the lcs. I’ll skip this issue too then. And I agree Storm shouldn’t remain in Marauders at this point. 9 issues in and while she’s had a couple of cool moments in the 2 or 3 issues I have she’s the only big name with no direction/significant role. I wish she could fit on the X-Force roster.
[QUOTE=Cville;4872380]The problem is they have no reason to be xenophobic towards him.[/QUOTE]
isnt it because his parent was was an outsider he was treated as such though?
[QUOTE=Wind Rider;4872397]Ah thanks. I wanted to confirm early so it saves me a trip to the lcs. I’ll skip this issue too then. And I agree Storm shouldn’t remain in Marauders at this point. 9 issues in and while she’s had a couple of cool moments in the 2 or 3 issues I have she’s the only big name with no direction/significant role. I wish she could fit on the X-Force roster.[/QUOTE]
you're welcome. the issue is primarily emma and bishop but considering it all was an illusion it kinda fell flat for me.
and agreed her role in the book seemed to hinge around kitty and seeing that she isnt a member of hellfire club, as well as kitty being dead, there doesnt seem to be any use for her. I would prefer ororo to be on a team where her abilities can fully shine where she isnt reduced to simply a glorified lightning thrower or used to power a sailless boat. I'm not sure xfactor would be that book but its abundantly clear that 9 issues in on a book she is a team member and not a guest character like in bp that marauders is NOT the book where this will happen.
Pretty sure the X-office created Gentle. Has he even ever appeared in a Black Panther comic?
Also, he's a very underdeveloped character, and in no way do I see him with Shuri, especially when she and Eden Fesi(Manifold) have been dating(and while he's also a fairly underdeveloped character, I find him a lot more interesting).
I liked that something was blooming between him and Trinary in XMR.
I hope that pairing could be explored somewhere.
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4872427]Pretty sure the X-office created Gentle. Has he even ever appeared in a Black Panther comic?
Also, he's a very underdeveloped character, and in no way do I see him with Shuri, especially when she and Eden Fesi(Manifold) have been dating(and while he's also a fairly underdeveloped character, I find him a lot more interesting).[/QUOTE]
now that you mention I cant recall any issue where he appeared in a BP book. interesting. maybe Cville is on to something.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872399]isnt it because his parent was was an outsider he was treated as such though?[/QUOTE]
And his mother is Wakandan. Based on the pic, they had a relationship in Wakanda. Most likely Gentle was born in WK.What sense does it make for everyone to turn on a child?
If the mother went against her families wishes, ran away with him, then tried to come back with the child, who is noticable different than everyone else, that would make more sense. If the family had said she could come back, but we won't except the child, that we be fine. And if the family spread ugly rumors about how she dishonored the family so other would have on him, that'd be fine.
I just don't like the way they threw it out there like we weren't going to ask questions. Maybe because he appeared in an X book originally, they didn't expect any. Lol
[QUOTE=yogaflame;4872427]Pretty sure the X-office created Gentle. Has he even ever appeared in a Black Panther comic?
Also, he's a very underdeveloped character, and in no way do I see him with Shuri, especially when she and Eden Fesi(Manifold) have been dating(and while he's also a fairly underdeveloped character, I find him a lot more interesting).[/QUOTE]
It is absolutely true he has not appear in ANY Black Panther issues.
But he is Wakandian, for someone to say a prominent Black Wakandian Character with a already built in Story should have no place in The Black Panther franchise to me is ludicrous.
I too am enjoying Manifold and Shuri relationship.
If Ever Nehezno were to get development in the BP franchise I would like to see two young heroes together. Also seeing how he was raised within the inner court I would believe they had some interaction.
Always good plot device for love triangle.
And very honestly when it comes to the NXM they've been pretty lockdown for use via other writers. I do see the have made some stride.
[QUOTE=Cville;4872457]And his mother is Wakandan. Based on the pic, they had a relationship in Wakanda. Most likely Gentle was born in WK.What sense does it make for everyone to turn on a child?
If the mother went against her families wishes, ran away with him, then tried to come back with the child, who is noticable different than everyone else, that would make more sense. If the family had said she could come back, but we won't except the child, that we be fine. And if the family spread ugly rumors about how she dishonored the family so other would have on him, that'd be fine.
I just don't like the way they threw it out there like we weren't going to ask questions. Maybe because he appeared in an X book originally, they didn't expect any. Lol[/QUOTE]
people blinded by hate do stupid things all of the time, even though I agree with you.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872481]people blinded by hate do stupid things all of the time, even though I agree with you.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. They are real life examples of bi-racial children being shunned by their family because of their heritage they were born into. It's stupid, but it does happen.
[QUOTE=Cville;4872457]And his mother is Wakandan. Based on the pic, they had a relationship in Wakanda. Most likely Gentle was born in WK.What sense does it make for everyone to turn on a child?
If the mother went against her families wishes, ran away with him, then tried to come back with the child, who is noticable different than everyone else, that would make more sense. If the family had said she could come back, but we won't except the child, that we be fine. And if the family spread ugly rumors about how she dishonored the family so other would have on him, that'd be fine.
I just don't like the way they threw it out there like we weren't going to ask questions. Maybe because he appeared in an X book originally, they didn't expect any. Lol[/QUOTE]
Wakandian value their purity of blood and geneology. Nezhno himself said if both parents were Wakandian his Mutant Gene would not be an issue. But his father in not Wakandian.
Further more no one told us what really happen to the point even when he meets his younger brother his mother tells him to stay away. I do remember at some later point they tried to clean her image up, by later showing the Step father is abusive .But again no real explaintion.
And the fact that he didn't just end up with any family either German or Wakandian. Nor an orphanage. Nor what ever is is they do with their empowered. He was chosen by T'Challa to be under his guardianship and raise within the inner court. Which to me , tells me there is more to the story.
Work in progress! Ororo has always been my favourite female X-character.
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[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;4872500][B]Wakandian value their purity of blood and geneology. [/B]Nezhno himself said if both parents were Wakandian his Mutant Gene would not be an issue. But his father in not Wakandian.
Further more no one told us what really happen to the point even when he meets his younger brother his mother tells him to stay away. I do remember at some later point they tried to clean her image up, by later showing the Step father is abusive .But again no real explaintion.
And the fact that he didn't just end up with any family either German or Wakandian. Nor an orphanage. Nor what ever is is they do with their empowered. He was chosen by T'Challa to be under his guardianship and raise within the inner court. Which to me , tells me there is more to the story.[/QUOTE]
Show the image where the bolded is stated. Their Xenophobia comes from the fact that they don't trust outsiders and protecting the world from the negative effects of Vb
Giant Size X-Men: Storm comes out in May right??? Or was their a date ever given??
[QUOTE=Stormrocks;4872490]Agreed. They are real life examples of bi-racial children being shunned by their family because of their heritage they were born into. It's stupid, but it does happen.[/QUOTE]
yes exactly. that's a great example, I actually was talking to a friend where he mentioned a friend having a similar situation. she, a white woman, married a black guy and her famoly basically had nothing to do with her prior/after the two them marrying. so if foolishness like this can occur in the real world it shouldnt be farfetched to see it manifest in the comic
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872571]yes exactly. that's a great example, I actually was talking to a friend where he mentioned a friend having a similar situation. she, a white woman, married a black guy and her famoly basically had nothing to do with her prior/after the two them marrying. so if foolishness like this can occur in the real world it shouldnt be farfetched to see it manifest in the comic[/QUOTE]
So they were aware of it and continued anyway? If they have a child, are one of the parents going to hate the child because they're of a different race? The family I'd expect, but one of the parents?
[QUOTE=Su_Whisterfield;4872506]Work in progress! Ororo has always been my favourite female X-character.
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that's cute boo thank you for sharing
[QUOTE=Cville;4872586]So they were aware of it and continued anyway? If they have a child, are one of the parents going to hate the child because they're of a different race? The family I'd expect, but one of the parents?[/QUOTE]
you must havent heard what halle berry said about her ex husband. these things happen all the time unfortunately.
[url]https://www.business2community.com/social-buzz/halle-berry-taking-ex-court-racial-slurs-used-towards-daughter-01078842[/url]
Nezhno has a ton of untapped potential IMO. Him being Wakandan I think gives writers even more to work with. Although, I just want to point out I think his father is/was Russian, not German. His first name I think means "gentle/gently" in Russian (hence his terrible code name of "Gentle").
I would like to see his thoughts/opinions on all of the turmoil in Wakanda; and I would like to see his feelings about Storm transitioning into Hadari Yao.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;4872591]that's cute boo thank you for sharing[/QUOTE]
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Tsk, I need to figure out how to get the scan the right way up.
[QUOTE=Su_Whisterfield;4872609]She’s getting there. I tried all different costumes, but I still love her original, such a classic.[ATTACH=CONFIG]94105[/ATTACH]
Tsk, I need to figure out how to get the scan the right way up.[/QUOTE]
yea I love the original look as well. are you going to add color to it?
it looks very nice. please continue to share your work beloved.