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[QUOTE=jwatson;5058839]Im in agreement. Anyway you look at it Storm being taken out of the X-men line and playing supporting to Tchalla was a downgrade. There is no way around that. It will only work if she has her own book while he has his or she is prominent in the x-men. And yes the argument could be made she wasn't written well at the time but they still took more than they gave.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jwatson;5058852]It took her away from her home base. Storm's fans are mainly x-men fans and x-men fans are larger than bp fans so on exposure alone she lost. But i'm not really going to go over all the same stuff over again. We are on opposite sides of this one but we ulimately want what we think is best for Storm. For me why couldn't it be both. Or why couldn't she get top billing in the book or a whole new title about them both. Storm will never be supporting for me, never.[/QUOTE]
I 1000% agree with both posts. I will always be a fan of both Ororo and T'Challa but their relationship always ruins my enjoyment of both. It is not symbiotic. I disliked T'Challa in the Hudlin run and AvX and when they reconciled i disliked Ororo in Coates' run. Someone always loses in their dynamics.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058709]how was it a step backwards? can you explain? I can think of like 10 or so reasons why it did the opposite. I am assuming you are in agreement with the points made on the Twitter post yes?[/QUOTE]
You assume correctly. It took her from a place of power to play second fiddle to a character that otherwise wouldn't get the time of day. She was his cheerleader ffs. And her mythos with Wakanda was forced to make sure that she and BP are forever tied. The only link they had was her saving his ass back when they were kids and them crushing on each other. That was it. Anything more was Marvel saying: "How can we make BP interesting? Oh, I know. Marry him to Storm! She has way more pull than him."
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[QUOTE=misty101;5058931]For me, the most important Storm story of all time is Lifedeath.
How does a mutant fare when they lose their powers? This was an important storyline and Claremont chose to give it to Storm. There were a number of X-Men he could have gave the story to, but he chose her for a reason. Because she could handle it. This story showed the strength of the character, how she is not just defined by her powers to control the weather, and how she deals with loss.
This story showed us why it is important for Storm to be an X-Man and why the X-Men need her. How she was able to carry on in life.
No story defines the character like this one, a truly magnificent comic book. Oh, and of course the art.
For pure fun (even though it's not in the guide), one of my favourite Storm issues is X-Men 205 just for that magnificent spread of Storm Vs. Sinister and the Marauders/Acolytes.[/QUOTE]
Excellent choice. I like this story because I feel on a human level we can all identify with a feeling of hitting a low point, whether its romantically, emotionally, financially, physically, etc. and it shows how one even when you lose it all you can stand tall in your struggles and still thrive.
I need to reread the 205 issue again she was powerless at that point too right?
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[QUOTE=superjosh;5057901]The first X-Men trading card series first expanded the power grids to include more rounded categories. I always thought it was her intelligence and fighting ability that should have been bumped up.
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The series also classified and set the standard for Storm's powers as being mental rather than energy based.[/QUOTE]
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Golly! Looks like Jean Grey has identical stats to Ororo...[/center]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058956]I need to reread the 205 issue again she was powerless at that point too right?[/QUOTE] No, it's the Messiah Complex issue.
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[QUOTE=seccruz;5058955]You assume correctly. It took her from a place of power to play second fiddle to a character that otherwise wouldn't get the time of day. She was his cheerleader ffs. And her mythos with Wakanda was forced to make sure that she and BP are forever tied. The only link they had was her saving his ass back when they were kids and them crushing on each other. That was it. Anything more was Marvel saying: "How can we make BP interesting? Oh, I know. Marry him to Storm! She has way more pull than him."[/QUOTE]
I dont think your assessment is a fair one. Aside from what priest wrote it was established in uncanny xmen that Ororo was the only person he trusts to help him when hes in trouble:
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this connection goes beyond just simple flirtation. it started with Claremont and continued to develop as other writers added layers to it.
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Golly! Looks like Jean Grey has identical stats to Ororo...[/center][/QUOTE]
how her energy level would be a 1 makes absolutely zero sense lol. I would love to know what the creators used as a reference to come up with their ratings.
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[QUOTE=misty101;5058971]No, it's the Messiah Complex issue.[/QUOTE]
I gotcha that was nice showing her take on sinister and his team by herself. I though messiah complex came much later in uncanny though than issue 205 right?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;5058975]I gotchs that was nice showing her take on sinister and his team by herself. I though messiah complex came much later in uncanny though than issue 205 right?[/QUOTE] It's not Uncanny, it's X-Men.
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[QUOTE=misty101;5058983]It's not Uncanny, it's X-Men.[/QUOTE]
oh well that explains it thank you!
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Not the reason you posted those scans, but can I just say I love the dialogue between Jean and Henry. I think that kind of introspection is what this current era needs a bit more of.
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[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5059057]Not the reason you posted those scans, but can I just say I love the dialogue between Jean and Henry. I think that kind of introspection is what this current era needs a bit more of.[/QUOTE]
I see what you mean but honestly in these times not me. I am just burnt out on having to be twice as good, twice as smart, twice as understanding for hateful people that bury their head in the sand. I'm still willing to have a conversation but you can only examine yourself so much before you really realize it's the other side that has the problem.
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[QUOTE=vladko92;5058776]Also important article, right here: [URL="https://www.marvel.com/comic-events/empyre"]Empyre[/URL]. Check the video.
I am disturbed by one of the sentences, "A king must fall." and then they show BP... I think T'Challa will lose his throne in this issue.[/QUOTE]
I thought it would be Hulkling since the Kree and Skulls chose him to be their new king but I haven't really kept up with all the Empyre stuff so I'm probably guessing wrong.
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[QUOTE=twisted sun;5059088]I thought it would be Hulkling since the Kree and Skulls chose him to be their new king but I haven't really kept up with all the Empyre stuff so I'm probably guessing wrong.[/QUOTE]
You could be right.
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[QUOTE=jwatson;5059079]I see what you mean but honestly in these times not me. I am just burnt out on having to be twice as good, twice as smart, twice as understanding for hateful people that bury their head in the sand. I'm still willing to have a conversation but you can only examine yourself so much before you really realize it's the other side that has the problem.[/QUOTE]
100% agree. I more-so meant I’d like to see what the characters are feeling regarding their new situation, not that I need them second guessing themselves cause they’ve earned paradise after all these years.
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[QUOTE=Kingdom X;5059599]100% agree. I more-so meant I’d like to see what the characters are feeling regarding their new situation, not that I need them second guessing themselves cause they’ve earned paradise after all these years.[/QUOTE]
Totally see what you mean. It would be good to get more of the characters thoughts on the situation. They should do a day in the life of Krakoa where every issue follows a mutant and their day to day life on krakoa. I'd buy. It would also be a great way to introduce us to all the mutants on krakoa and give them a short data sheet for character development.